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#4211 - 02/13/08 09:33 PM Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology
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Recently, an internet-based group calling themselves "Anonymous", has launched an all-out attack on The Church of Scientology. They have brought down Scientology's main website and, despite attempts made by the techie guru Hubbardites, the website is still out for the count from the DOS attack. Also under fire are websites relating to Scientology, either having been brought down completely or slowed down considerably by Anonymous hackers.

The group has even uploaded a "Message to Scientology" on Youtube, with an anonymous voice-over narrating the short clip.



There have been half a dozen other videos released from the Anonymous group, some directed at the Church, others at the duped members of the organization.

"Anonymous" had a relatively peaceful gathering this past Sunday in Clearwater, Florida, across the street from the Church, of approximately 200 people, who donned face and ski masks, goggles, sunglasses, wigs, etc to disguise themselves from potential persecution by Scientologists. However, Church members did their best to capture photos of protesters, for what they claim are "security purposes", aka ammunition for future blacklisting and harassment. Walking by with cell phones, trying to get a shot of a masked protester--yeah, good luck with that one.



There are several articles on the momentum of this following, the best of which can be found here, with lots of interesting links to articles and organizations at the bottom of the page.
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#4212 - 02/13/08 09:35 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Nemesis]
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Ah yes, these blokes.

I say "good on 'em!" The Church of Scientology is a complete cult, and I never use that term in relation to religious organisations but they are literally a cult.
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#4442 - 02/21/08 11:44 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: DaVinci]
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I hate Anonymous, they're nothing more than a terrorist group and reguardless of what they're striking it's still fearmongering and lawbreaking and they should all be stopped.

Having an opinion is one thing, hacking websites and threatening people with violence is another. It's not legal and they should be stopped.
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#4453 - 02/22/08 08:45 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: TornadoCreator]
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In one of the vids, The news reporter asked to the effect why they didn't protest other religious groups (funda"mental"cases, etc. type groups I ASSume).
Good question.
I don't see where Scientology is a threat.
In My less than humble opinion, My mind wanders back and forth from Crowley and Hubbard when reading Magick In Theory and Practice (Magick, Liber ABBA, Book 4 - H. Beta) and let's say Scientology 8-8008 by Hubbard.
My guess is someone feels wronged by their experience and turned it into psychosis (or vegetable soup or whatever came first....sorry can't take this seriously).

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#4458 - 02/22/08 11:39 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: woreloque]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I hate Anonymous, they're nothing more than a terrorist group and reguardless of what they're striking it's still fearmongering and lawbreaking and they should all be stopped.

That is the beauty of it all… The only thing they do in public is peaceful demonstrations… Hate is a strong emotion that should be reserved for those that threaten or hurt you directly… Careful your squishy filling is showing…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Having an opinion is one thing, hacking websites and threatening people with violence is another. It's not legal and they should be stopped.

Opinions matter little when the facts elude you… Might I suggest getting facts before spewing your opinions?

After all as your siggy reads… “If you can't practice what you preach, at least have the decency to preach what you practice”

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 Originally Posted By: woreloque
In one of the vids, The news reporter asked to the effect why they didn't protest other religious groups (funda"mental"cases, etc. type groups I ASSume).
Good question.

The commonsense answer to this question is simply that this religion/cult is a relatively young one… Its atrocities are still fresh in the public’s eyes, unlike the crusades that happened a very long time ago…

 Originally Posted By: woreloque
I don't see where Scientology is a threat.

To repeat myself perhaps you should research the subject before spewing opinions… To again use commonsense and research one can see that Christianity was also spat upon by the people as a cult in its beginning… Too bad anonymous was not around then to bring real issues to the light…

I do believe it was common to feed the Christians to the lions…

 Originally Posted By: woreloque
In My less than humble opinion, My mind wanders back and forth from Crowley and Hubbard when reading Magick In Theory and Practice

There are lessons everywhere… The problem is when one takes these lessons and follows them like a bible… Thus a fanatic is born… To say L. Ron Hubbard had nothing to say or teach would be foolish… To think that following his ideas to the letter including paying your way in is cult behavior…

 Originally Posted By: woreloque
My guess is someone feels wronged by their experience and turned it into psychosis (or vegetable soup or whatever came first....sorry can't take this seriously).

So your whole opinion is based on a guess? I cannot take seriously those that watch a video and form an opinion without any further research…

Link provided for those who want to do research…

~T~
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#5298 - 03/11/08 03:12 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Nemesis]
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They want to undermine the art of science which saves lives through medication,meditation,and people who depend on science.
People like me for if it wasnt for science this sick puppie would not be aliive.I took some harsh feelings towards people who stand inside their scientific bodys then persecute what they are made of.Which is science,chemistry,and electric impules which
tell the heart to beat,legs to move,brain to function.
This is ignorance at its finest.A pubilicity stunt at worse.
They dress in wigs,glasses, masks to avoid persecution by whom exactly.They stirred-shi## up and do not have the balls to show theirselves.Cowards.People of this nature disserve whats coming to them.Wait till their laid up with disease begging science to help them with medictions. Hopefully soon stem cells which im waiting for for my bleeding disorder.Hopefully science one day can rebuild DNA.Can cure me.They have not the slightist idea of what science is or how it has benifitted the humanrace.People like that drive me to hate them with a severe passion.Not only do
they run and hide but do not even make a strong case against scientific philosphy.Haters.Witch-hunters.Spineless worms.
Science is our great benifits...




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#5320 - 03/11/08 09:02 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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tsk tsk...
what a horrible thing to say Isaak.
I hope you fully grasp what Scientology truly is because if i understood you correctly you seem to think it's the equivalent to "the study of science" when in fact Scientology is the complete opposite.
Anonymous chooses to hide their identities not out of fear of Scientology itself but rather out of fear of Scientology's lawyers.
The Church of Scientology can be a dangerous group. They have something called a "fair game policy" in which L. Ron Hubbard himself mandates the use of a firearm against any person or persons bashing their cult.
would you face someone with a policy like that?
me either.

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They dress in wigs,glasses, masks to avoid persecution by whom exactly.They stirred-shi## up and do not have the balls to show theirselves.Cowards.

careful who you insult Isaak the big bad anonymous monster might get you ;]

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#5322 - 03/11/08 09:14 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: L Fern Tej]
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LoL.....
Maybe someday.If he doesnt get them all to sink in the big sleep to meet cheech on the spacebubble.......

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#5325 - 03/11/08 09:46 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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I need to post again.My apologies for not posting my whole
paragram.Im getting better.i think but sometimes i have brain wave farts where Im completely lost in the moment of the present
task on hand.In that case if they are a cult not about the Science of life,atral prjection or anything to do with the study of science.Lett them both drown in the sea of boil.Yes truth i mis understood the meaning but my reply about people who refuse to see the big picture of science still stand rebelous and firm.
Hows my typing.Doing better i think?
"The study of the science of planets,chemistry.Must be everlasting"Me....

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#5353 - 03/12/08 12:33 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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yeah, it's fine. I don't understand though. What's wrong with your typing?

Edited by L Fern Tej (03/12/08 12:34 AM)

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#5359 - 03/12/08 04:47 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I hate Anonymous, they're nothing more than a terrorist group and reguardless of what they're striking it's still fearmongering and lawbreaking and they should all be stopped.

That is the beauty of it all… The only thing they do in public is peaceful demonstrations… Hate is a strong emotion that should be reserved for those that threaten or hurt you directly… Careful your squishy filling is showing…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Having an opinion is one thing, hacking websites and threatening people with violence is another. It's not legal and they should be stopped.

Opinions matter little when the facts elude you… Might I suggest getting facts before spewing your opinions?

After all as your siggy reads… “If you can't practice what you preach, at least have the decency to preach what you practice”


Might I suggest you do some research before you spew your opinions and more informed than thou attitude. You're becomming more and more pretentious every day and it's starting to piss me off.

If you bothered to look into this you will notice that Anonymous are actively threatening people with violence, they hack into websites, they call people at work and at home and harass them. They are urban terrorists and nothing more. I hate these people for that reason. Hate is a natural response, I won't tone it down just because you're afraid of emotion.

Now personally I agree with Anonymous on the subject of Scientology. I would go as far as to say what they are claiming applies for many mainstream religions as well. However their methods are illegal and they fly in the face of liberty and freedom of religion. They do not only do peaceful demonstrations, if you had done your so-called research you would know this.

As I said, pay more fucking attention before replying in future because your fine tooth comb replies where you dissect everything I write into neat little points to attack, is starting to piss me off. More than half the time it's smarmy little comments and thinly veiled insults, the other half it's filled with total bullshit. You're constantly claiming people should "do more research", well try it yourself in future.
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#5363 - 03/12/08 07:07 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: TornadoCreator]
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TC, I live here where the Church of Scientology has its base, and I can tell you that their tactics of threatening former members, blackmailing and driving out local business owners for standing in their way or opposing them is a SERIOUS problem. The issue with this is that since they declare themselves a "church", local authorities are hesitant to step in. That, and somehow the Scinos manage to dodge the law or skirt around its loopholes. The Church has a large and powerful base of followers and hordes of lawyers and propaganda pushers at their disposal. It's amazing what money can do.

When news of their expansion from Clearwater into downtown St. Pete reached local residents, most were pretty upset, because they knew (some from personal experience, others from hearing about it) about how the Church would change the area. They protested it, but the new "Life Improvement Center" was built anyway.

Here are some links detailing individual harassment cases of ex-members and other articles:

Robert Minton
Concealed weapons cache
Gabriel Cazares

There are more links that I could've posted, but I need to start getting ready for work and really don't have the time.

You say that you disagree with Anonymous' tactics of cyber terrorism, yet you seem to turn a blind eye to what the Church of Scientology has been doing since its conception back in the 70s. The things Anonymous is doing are illegal, but are small change compared to the lives Scientology has ruined. What's worse? Hacking websites or ruining people's livelihoods? Perhaps you just have to live here to see what effects they have on your community.

I ask that you do YOUR research before replying to this thread, and if you find any facts about Scientology contrary to what I've found, please post them for us.

Sincerely,
Nem
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#5365 - 03/12/08 08:48 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Nemesis]
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I never disputed these facts Nem, people seem to think I'm defending Scientology when I'm not. I agree with the opinions of Anonymous in this situation. Sceintology does need to be stopped. However, I disagree with the methods that are being used, that's where I have problems. I don't need to do research on this.

Currently the 600 club has a big issue with people making assumptions and the "Do your research" responses. People are quick to assume that they know more information, or make leaps of logic which are really, not all that logical.

I have never yet mentioned my opinions of Scientology, so, to stop any further confusion, I will describe my opinions.

Scientology. Well at first glance it seems like something I'd like. It starts with "Scien" just like Science, and it ends in "ology" like Biology, Geology etc. This makes me think of facts and sensibility...
Unfortunately it's nothing like that, it's another cultish religion just like all the others. The only major difference is they have more intentions revolving around money, where as the average religion just wants to kill people... and as of yet there is no social/ethnic/racial group being persicuted and murdered in the name of Scientology, which is a big plus as far as I'm concerned.

Personally, I don't care what Scientology stands for or has done. Accepting what Anonymous is doing just because it's doing it against Scientology is stupid. They are breaking laws and putting themselves above a line. Accepting this is accepting a limit to liberty. I would refuse this in every way.

"Any contry that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and loose both"
A personal favourite quote of mine.

I disagree with Anonymous cyber-terrorism and ACTUAL terrorism, AND I disagree with the methods and practice of Scientology. I want neither of them.

To put it into perspective. Currently people are complaining about Islamic laws being forced into Britain, something I'm very much opposed to. I am also opposed to the current Christian law-set. Does this mean I should support the new Islamic laws because it would mean they replace the Christian laws. NO! I don't want either, so I accept neither of them.
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#5376 - 03/12/08 11:17 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I agree whole heartedly with Tornado Creator.
I made reference in an above post to Crowley and Hubbard's writings. I should better define My comparison in regards to mysticism as the writings are more closely compared especially in regards to "Scientology 8-8008".
I echo that there are more pressing issues re religion in society. Separation of church and state, I would consider an initial priority.
As far as any religion looked at as one would any organized entity, I hold them all suspect and want to know "what's in it for THEM". Money, influence, etc..
As to a religion influencing (taking over a town or something), I "guess" when any group rises up and becomes dominate the others move aside. Kind of like lead, follow or get out of the way. Could this possibly be "satanic' in principle?

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#5803 - 03/17/08 08:30 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: TornadoCreator]
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What I learned is that these protest gatherings all started out as a joke in the internet. It just caught fire and suddenly there were thousands of anonymous all over the world gathered at these scientology headquarters.
That's also why they're not protesting against any other religions but scientoogy...

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#46738 - 01/13/11 09:32 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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I realise this thread is old and hasn't been responded to in quite some time, however, I thought I'd provide some information based on personal experience in this matter.

Anonymous wasn't any kind of organized group or community. It was more or less 12-18 year old kids who like to hang out on 4chan's /b/ forum. There are no registered screen names on 4chan, and you would post as 'Anonymous' unless you provided a name for yourself in the specified field in each post you made. That is where they got their name.

/b/ back in the day used to be all about trying to fuck over people who they deemed deserving of it. This happened to Soulja Boy, for the simple fact that he bad mouthed /b/ in a Youtube video. They stole accounts, made a fake gay sex tape, and prank called his dad. Another such memorable moment was the day a teen girl appeared in a thread with pictures of herself performing oral sex on her dog. One observant anon noticed a newspaper in the background of the picture and managed dig up the girl's identity. The pictures were emailed to her parents, friends, and school faculty. Hilarity ensued, depending on who you talk to.

Anyway, one day, one anon decided he didn't like Scientology and proposed Project Chanology, in which other anons who wished to participate would DDoS Scientology websites, make prank calls, make public their messages to Scientology via Youtube and other outlets, and stage the protests in front of Scientology buildings. As things progressed, some people tried to give it a nobel meaning, but at it's base, it was just /b/ fucking with people it didn't like, whether for better or worse. They were the 'internet hate machine' afterall.

So there you have it. Project Chanology was a joke engineered by teenagers on an internet forum.
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#46739 - 01/13/11 09:47 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Clicks]
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Yup, and they've also alerted authorities to the puppy-chucking girl over in Bosnia (?), getting justice for Epic Beard Man in Oakland, CA, and saving a cat from his abusive owner (Operation Save Dusty 2 was an epic failure though, but much lulz ensued).

I know all about /b/, although I admit that when I started this thread I had yet to become a /b/tard. How sad is it that I know what that means? *sigh*
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#46740 - 01/13/11 09:52 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Nemesis]
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Not so sad, really. /b/ can be a great resource if you can make your way through the sea of trolls to get to an anon who is there to act as a legit person. I'd been there since a few months after it's creation, and I have witnessed some seriously funny things. The fact that nobody is afraid to post anything on that forum allows for both extreme hilarity, and extreme stupidity (which can end up as hilarity).

I think I was 17 or 18 for the whole chanology thing. I'll admit to placing some prank calls and showing up at a protest. It was all in good fun while also brining negative attention to an organization that I think deserved it.

But then Boxxy happened, and /b/ has never been the same.


Edited by Clicks (01/13/11 09:53 PM)
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#46741 - 01/13/11 10:27 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Clicks]
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There's nothing wrong with being a /b/tard in some respects Nem; one of my friends frequents 4chan, and he's pretty much a fountain of funny pics for me.

And besides, at least you know the epicness of Blockatiel.

And Clicks, I think Boxxy has affected pretty much everyone. Even those that know of 4chan but don't venture there. I'm one of those people too.
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#46742 - 01/13/11 10:46 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: DistroyA]
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I was forunate enough to have missed the whole Boxxy thing while I was at boot camp. I came back to a /b/ that was just disappointing, or rather, more dissapointing. No matter how good it's ever seemed, there were always that majority that really didn't understand the unwritten rules (and the written ones) by which the older /b/tards operated best under. I don't think anyone even remembers the Epic of Charles anymore. It was the highest quality piece of literature I've ever brought out of my head.
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#46753 - 01/14/11 03:25 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Clicks]
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We keep talking about 4chan and /b/ is going to invade us!
Rules 1 & 2 after all...

The latest big raids where the companies that cut support of Wikileaks. MasterCard, Visa, and Paypal all suffered under thier attacks.

Was Anonymous attacking someone it didn't like? Yes. Were they doing it for a 'noble' cause? Some were, some were doing it just for the lulz. No one can really pin a motive on Anonymous.

I wonder what Anonymous will target next...
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#46754 - 01/14/11 03:41 AM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: JysusCryst]
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Everyone knows that the rules don't apply, even if they do.

I don't keep up with /b/ too much anymore. It was great for me back in the day, and I just can't seem to relive that greatness now. It's too different from what I was used to, and I guess the sentiment is getting in the way of my enjoyment.

Also the fact that no one there knows the Epic of Charles. That came from the heart. I'm a bit hurt that no one knows what it is, or is interested in love triangles that involve a horse.
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#103940 - 11/16/15 02:02 PM Re: Anonymous vs. The Church of Scientology [Re: Nemesis]
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Old thread, funny read.

Satanists see villains and boogey men too, even if they can seemingly be dismissed away as a dangerous cult. I'd say the Co$ has Satanic qualities.

The NY Times published this article shortly before "Going Clear" was aired on HBO.

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“Part of the message here is that you don’t need to fear Scientology anymore,”


The danger perceived is best demonstrated by an organized group applying tactics so often discussed by 'Satanists' yet so rarely practiced.

Typically when dissenters are sought after, it's because they have given away their weaknesses. Why shouldn't those be exploited? Because it's immoral? It's all very fascinating to observe and discuss but I don't feel indignant when I see the force of the Church of Scientology at play in the world.

While watching Going Clear , I just kept thinking to myself, what would bring a person to submit their complete will to an organization promising the world, taking everything but giving so little? (Journalists included). Comparatively, I see similar traits in the people that sought out Heaven's Gate. Sorting through all the documented events, all the cues are there that tell me that there was complete submission to ideals , long before finding Marshall Applewhite. People can become disenchanted with life and living overall, so a ready-fix in the form of a packaged religion is just a placebo. Whether by 'cult' or their own hand, self-annihilation is the only resolve. It doesn't mean it will always end in mass suicide. Plenty of people have obviously directly benefited from affiliation with the organization of Scientology. As a sort of way in, and corporate strong-hold to particular fields of business and profit.

Users of 4Chan have their own moral code as well as imaginary lines that shouldn't be crossed. Trolling is just the chosen method of reacting to a moral violation. There's been plenty of instances of public fare where anonymous users play savior to the unsuspecting public (the "Make Your Own Crystals" post comes to mind).

It's giggle worthy that a handful of people could penetrate top of the line cyber-security to cause disruption in operations but its not exactly conquering the beast.

While the marketing portrayed the documentary to blow the lid off this thing, it didn't exactly present anything new, nor will it have any real affects on those "trapped in the matrix of belief". Even the poster boy Mike Rinder wasn't all that convincing, the response from Scientologists was as expected.

When John Sweeney of the BBC conducted his investigative report, he lost his shit on camera at the hands of Mike Rinder. The way the tactic was employed was art. Later, when Sweeny did a follow up after Rinder left the Co$, they had a laugh about it but Sweeney was embarrassed by his own loss of control. And his ego took a hit because it was at the hand of Rinder.

It's like that for a lot of these people that maintain membership. They harbor feelings of guilt, shame and embarrassment because the tactics guide their thoughts to those feelings. Those that don't give a flying fuck, benefit by playing the Devil's game. You need money to play that game, so it's usually the broke or those with a lot to lose that end up casualties.

Auditing is just getting dirt. It's all "Sit down and give us your dirt!" So again, I don't see the issue with exploiting that as a means to an end. Even after the celebrity shake-down in Going Clear, it didn't really have an affect. Just more entertainment for the public and opportunity for profit. I'm sure Leah Remini is getting paid for her appearances and her memoir is selling hot right now. Smart business move on her behalf. Use the same tactics, exploit Scientology controversy for your own ends.

Hell, I didn't even know who she was until the rag mags in the grocery isle were covered with her face .

These people voluntarily participated in Scientology as an organization; self-responsibility vs. painting them "other" villains.
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