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#42122 - 08/20/10 04:12 PM Muslims Will Rule America, Britain
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He has a point about the Jewish treatment of Palestinians being no different from the treatment the Jews got from the Nazis prior to the Holocaust. Beyond that, though, he is fucking nuts. If you want to rule the world, you have to get through me first.
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#42131 - 08/20/10 07:48 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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If it wasn't for the religous ideations, I wouldn't think that he was crazy at all. But I don't want to stir that hornets nest up.
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#42159 - 08/21/10 07:12 AM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Asmedious]
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Wow, blaming the jews for all the world's problems. Isn't that basically what the neo-nazis/skinheads do? I guess "great" minds think alike.
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#42160 - 08/21/10 10:17 AM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Just another wannabe Hitler stirring the shit with half-assed rhetoric. The messed up part is the size of the crowd he has listening. To suggest that the Jews started the Holocaust would render them as the least threatening adversary imaginable....who would be that stupid? This guy has some twisted idea of the former "greatness"of Islam. Why would people want to apply the measures France took (as the genius on the podium seems to like repeating, these were torture, expulsion, and book-burning) again in this day and age, how is that relevant? It's not the sixth fucking century anymore.
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#42163 - 08/21/10 10:59 AM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Dedalus]
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What you see here is Will to Power in action. Religion, rhetoric even rationality do not matter at all.
These guys are willing to do what it takes to dominate and while we in the West try to polish our good-guy badges and crawl through the dust for all our past mistakes, these guys get ready to treat us as the doormat we are. In a way it is beautiful.

You either dominate or you become dominated.

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#42164 - 08/21/10 11:14 AM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Diavolo]
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Couldn't agree more. Until our society wakes up and smells the coffee, and realizes all these memetics of peaceful co-existence and people of different colours and religions holding hands and dancing around the fire while singing kumbayah is bullshit, those that do realize this will continue to gain ground.

Tolerance is a dirty word.
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#42179 - 08/21/10 01:35 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Dedalus]
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Just another wannabe Hitler stirring the shit with half-assed rhetoric. The messed up part is the size of the crowd he has listening. To suggest that the Jews started the Holocaust would render them as the least threatening adversary imaginable....who would be that stupid?

I can only say the guy more or less knows his history quite well. And he is indeed spot on the jews almost signed up for the holocaust when they declared an economic boycot against Germany.
The only thing more annoying is his reference to Allah and with smooth talking (..well not really that smooth...) gives it yet again a religious twist.

I also understand his position for the hatred. After all, the West gave unasked the jews a place within one of their most economic and favourable grounds. Fuck, we even helped these b'tards by giving them enough firepower to kill many of their numbers.

But what bothers me mostly is the obvious feeling and sentiment he spreads that the West is barely mentionable and that their culture can take over almost without any problem.

Perhaps it is indeed time to blast a few rockets to the middle-east and cleansing all the bullshit out of the way.
The sentiments from Dan and Diavolo are shared.


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#42182 - 08/21/10 01:49 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I wouldnt go so far as to say they signed up for the holocaust, though they must have expected some retaliation for their actions. Perhaps my intial judgement of this man was hasty.

As for his dismissive attitude towards the west, it seems likely that this is merely an exercise in propaganda, or an attempt to downsize the strength of the west to his audience, though I cannot know for sure. The only thing I would disagree with here is the suggestion that the west pre-emptively bomb the middle-east. I doubt I would be opposed in calling the man in this video a fanatic, who represents a minority of like-minded people in his culture. To strike pre-emptively is acceptable to me in personal confrontations, but given the number of people involved, many of whom as "innocent" as anybody else, I feel that the only action to be taken should be gathering intelligence, stockpiling weapons, and training soldiers. Not pointing a couple ICBMs in their direction.
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#42188 - 08/21/10 03:26 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Dimitri]
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And he is indeed spot on the jews almost signed up for the holocaust when they declared an economic boycot against Germany.


Maybe it's just me but I think genocide, as a way of dealing with a boycott, is a little excessive.

In early 1933 Hitler was not the undisputed leader of Germany but he was a major figure in coalition government. Even still his anti-sementic outlook had developed well before any of this took place; Mein Kampf is filled with it and that was published in 1925 ( Volume 2 in 1926).

So it is no surprise that once Hitler did start rising through the ranks of government the Jews started to get a little worried. Though it is interesting to note that the Verein did not view the National Socialists as a threat and dismissed many allegations against them as being propaganda.
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#42189 - 08/21/10 03:33 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Dan_Dread]
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While I don't desire or expect to see people all colors, creeds etc. to be holding hands and singing I also see no reason for everyone to constantly be at each others throats. I will react with force if I feel threatened but I no longer engage in violence for the sake of violence. As it sits right now I believe Islam poses a credible threat. Therefore if this man thinks he can take over the world, eventually they are going to have to come through my neck of the woods and we don't fuck around. \:\)
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#42196 - 08/21/10 05:33 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Diavolo]
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These guys are willing to do what it takes to dominate and while we in the West try to polish our good-guy badges and crawl through the dust for all our past mistakes, these guys get ready to treat us as the doormat we are. In a way it is beautiful.


I absolutely agree. Image is worthless in the face of survival. In America in particular, the majority are so focused on keeping their image in the eyes of the rest of the world squeaky-clean that they'll be caught in the shower when retribution is handed out. Personally, I'd rather be alive and be seen as a monster than be dead and seen as a "good-guy". Dead is dead; I'd rather them than me.
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#42197 - 08/21/10 05:59 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Until our society wakes up and smells the coffee, and realizes all these memetics of peaceful co-existence and people of different colours and religions holding hands and dancing around the fire while singing kumbayah is bullshit, those that do realize this will continue to gain ground.


Perhaps this is Darwinism at work? This seems to be tied in with what I think Howard Bloom is driving at in The Lucifer Principle (I'm not too far into it, but I think what I've read so far is germane to the topic at hand). Memes are often the culprits, but I think there is also a baser, more deep-seated biological imperative at work.

 Originally Posted By: Howard Bloom
Concept number three: the meme, a self-replicating cluster of ideas. Thanks to a handful of biological tricks, these visions become the glue that holds together civilizations, giving each culture its distinctive shape, making some intolerant of dissent and others open to diversity. They are the tools with which we unlock the forces of nature. Our visions bestow the dream of peace, but they also turn us into killers.

Concept number five: the pecking order. The naturalist who discovered this dominance hierarchy in a Norwegian farmyard called it the key to despotism. Pecking orders exist among men, monkeys, wasps, and even nations. They help explain why the danger of barbarians is real and why the assumptions of our foreign policies are often wrong.


So, are we biologically predisposed to destroy each other, or is it social memetics which are hammered into us from the day we are born, or both? Either way, I agree with Dan; peaceful coexistence is illusory. If nothing else, it's a race to the top. Those without the tools for survival will serve as stepping stones for those with.
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#42200 - 08/21/10 07:36 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Draculesti]
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Really... We're still talking about this?

Islam is weak and very insecure. It demands conformity or death. That is about as insecure as a culture can be. Their religion has already failed, they simply are not willing to see it. Islam is suppose to unite the world. The Islamic nations aren't even united. They have no military force that can compete with the western world. All they have is a few crazy fuckers willing to bomb themselves. The only option they have is memetic warfare, and we're better at that too.

Are you people really so scared of these desert mystics with their failed geo-political philosophy that you'll abandon the laws that protect us and start bombing the hell out of a dying culture?

The youths in many of these nations have been quite westernized for most countries. We're already winning the memetic war. Just because some pussy politicians gave into some ridiculous laws because of pressure from activist Islamic groups doesn't mean the memetitc war has been lost. As long as we're shooting people over there, sending large armies, they're going to keep hating us. Why don't we just open our trade, offer peace, and ass rape them economically. When the majority decline, which they will, actually help the few nations that accept as a lure, and make sure plenty of propaganda gets through showing how their governments rejected this great offer. Eventually the governments will come around, and we fill them with as many Starbucks, McDonald's, and sweatshops as possible.

Now Israel, it just might be fucked. I don't see any way out of that one. If we just stop involving ourselves with that situation, it'll probably resolve itself somehow. I simply don't see how Israel is such an important ally. Why are we even choosing a side in that conflict?

Bombing the hell out of them just gives them a reason to unite. We don't want that, we want them as weak as possible. How are we going to condemn them for wanting us dead when we are saying the same thing about them. "Well they started it." Do you know what is the Muslim response? "Nuh uh, they started it." Stop acting like a bunch of first graders.

It had to be said.

**One amendment really quick. I do have to say that a large war would probably help out a bit with population growth. That would be an upside.


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#42203 - 08/21/10 08:18 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Lucifer Rising]
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Are you people really so scared of these desert mystics with their failed geo-political philosophy that you'll abandon the laws that protect us and start bombing the hell out of a dying culture?


Personally, I'm not scared at all, nor did I advocate bombing the hell out of them anywhere in any of my responses, at least not in so many words. I'm more scared of the West with its propensity to, as Diavolo so aptly put it, "polish our good-guy badges". I think that America should get a little more introspective, rather than worry about "out there".

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Islam is weak and very insecure. It demands conformity or death. That is about as insecure as a culture can be. Their religion has already failed, they simply are not willing to see it. Islam is suppose to unite the world. The Islamic nations aren't even united. They have no military force that can compete with the western world. All they have is a few crazy fuckers willing to bomb themselves. The only option they have is memetic warfare, and we're better at that too.


There may be some truth to this, but this is also typical Western arrogance. The gist of what I'm saying is "be aware, and don't underestimate." Stay sharp. As has been said, these people may not have the numbers or the power that the West has, but they are more than willing to do whatever it takes to get things done. Power means nothing if you're unwilling to wield it, especially in one's own defense.
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#42204 - 08/21/10 09:29 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Draculesti]
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Well of course I agree that we should be aware. There just seems to be a lot of emotional reaction going on here. I do agree with the idea that many western countries are trying to play the good guy. Yet, even with the ineptitude of our politicians, I really don't think they're in a position to do much. It might be typical western arrogance, but it doesn't mean it is necessarily unjustified arrogance.
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#42215 - 08/22/10 07:41 AM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Draculesti]
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 Originally Posted By: Draculesti
Perhaps this is Darwinism at work? This seems to be tied in with what I think Howard Bloom is driving at in The Lucifer Principle (I'm not too far into it, but I think what I've read so far is germane to the topic at hand). Memes are often the culprits, but I think there is also a baser, more deep-seated biological imperative at work.


I don't think you're that far off with your idea. I never read The Lucifer Principle but if you continue upon Nietzsche's Will to Power you probably come to similar conclusions. I'm convinced that the core routine of life is to dominate its environment. Examples like the balance some see in an ecosystem is nothing but a temporary status quo between different life forms struggling for dominance. Take away one form and you see an explosive growth in another. Some say survival or reproduction is the purpose of life; I do think these are nothing but side-effects of what Nietzsche called Will to Power, or the innate drive to dominate. As such, you can even see evolution, the drive towards complexity and the formation of hierarchies as side-effects of it.

Life is an arms race.

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#42220 - 08/22/10 12:33 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Lucifer Rising]
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 Originally Posted By: Lucifer Rising
Islam is weak and very insecure. It demands conformity or death. That is about as insecure as a culture can be. Their religion has already failed, they simply are not willing to see it. Islam is suppose to unite the world. The Islamic nations aren't even united. They have no military force that can compete with the western world. All they have is a few crazy fuckers willing to bomb themselves. The only option they have is memetic warfare, and we're better at that too.


For a weak and insecure religion, it seems to be doing pretty well considering the fact that about 25% of the world population is Muslim. A failure it can hardly be called. Of all conflicts going on in the world at this moment, in how many are Muslims involved? Would 80%, as a wild guess, be an exaggeration? I don't really think so.

And while some of those suicidals might be called crazy fuckers, what was amazing about it was that they weren't some ignorant or dumb shepherds out of a mountain region but those nicely captured by our western memes.

To see how well our memes work, I don't need to do more than visit an immigrant region here. In three generations most of the economic immigration waves we had adapted so well that besides some physical differences, nothing noteworthy separated us. The last wave however seems to have a hard time doing the same. Strange since the same memes are at work here in the West.

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#42223 - 08/22/10 12:56 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
While I don't desire or expect to see people all colors, creeds etc. to be holding hands and singing I also see no reason for everyone to constantly be at each others throats. I will react with force if I feel threatened but I no longer engage in violence for the sake of violence.

The reason is that it is our nature. As far as humanity goes, everything is an increasing scale of us vs them that starts with me vs them, and continues upward in scale. Thing are how they are, and I just can't imagine an 'us' that isn't exclusive of somebody.
Barely any violence is for it's own sake. It's just that one mans justified reasoning is anothers insanity.


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#42232 - 08/22/10 02:56 PM Re: Muslims Will Rule America, Britain [Re: Diavolo]
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The golden years of Islam have longed passed. Yes, they are a large force, but they can't come together militarily, economically, or politically. I would say that is rather weak. I say that Islam has failed because their window for world domination has closed. There was a time when they were doing quite well, but that's over. The world is not going to become Islamic, we're not going to be united under Islam, it failed. They had a good run, but the religion is slowly dying.

Of course they're going to fight it. They're going to kick and scream and hope we do something stupid to give them reason to keep going. As long as we don't do something incredibly stupid, like declare war on Islam, I simply am not the least bit worried about a bunch of delusional sand monkeys. That is, except to note they are delusional and we should keep a close eye on them.

Yeah, a lot of the bombings have been done by individuals who were raised in western cultures. They're new converts, so of course they're going to be more extreme. They have more to prove. They have to be extra Muslim to feel like they're really Muslim. It happens, and if the best they can do is get some convert to blow himself up, not that concerned.


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