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#51477 - 03/21/11 03:47 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I always considered the ONA as a source which might provide something one can use and which then can be added to that which one prefers. I never saw it as an "all or nothing" deal.


D.


I would agree with you here. Especially when actually trying to understand how DM works his stuff.

Beneath the "ONA," the Numinous Way, and Reichsfolk, is the SAME exact set of ideas, principles, and goals. The Essence is the SAME. The outer FORM is different. Different because each outer From is directed at a certain target market/demographics.

It's like the old saying: "Don't keep your eggs in one basket."

If groups of National-Socialists can't use Reichsfolk to presence/manifest the Myattian Vision; DM has two other potential outlets. If the Philosophy of the Numen doesn't manifest his Vision; then perhaps the Satanic market can use his "ONA" shell to manifest that Vision.

From what I hear, DM during he decade hiatus in Islam tried to create a "new Form" of Islam that just was an outer package for his "Myattian" ideas such ask "Causal/Acausl," "Nexion," Galactic Caliphate, etc. In his many Islamic writings he produced he even goes so far as to re-interpret Allah as the Acausal [Life Force]. But this Form didn't take root \:\)

So, judging by the motive and intent behind DM's operations and projects, I would personally say that the ONA - or what was the ONA - is not a thing in and of itself dependent on a fixed set of "original 1980's members."

The "ONA" is just an Outlet which DM put together to actually distribute his ideas. Ideas which were from the very beginning intended to bring together individuals who resonate with that Form and Essence, so that they might be able to coalesce into a functioning "nexion" or group to execute his Vision.

Because of this original intent, we see DM as Anton Long in most of all his writings making it clear that the "ONA" isn't a group or order you join. But a PERSONAL application of such ideas and methodologies. Anton Long gives the individual every component needed to literally regenerate the "ONA" from scratch.

It just does not make any sense for DM - who tried hard to distribute his ideas and Vision via various Outlets - to have some organized, institutionalized ONA based on some fixed set of original members.

No institution - in general - operates in such a goofy manner where it is fixed on a set of given members, such that if those given members die out the institution stops existing. If this were so Buddhism would not or should not exist. The Buddha is dead or he may have not existed at all. The Original Guards who were the first monks and nuns have been dead for 2500 years. Yet the memeplex of Buddhism still continues.

Christianity and Islam would not or should not exist; or what passes today as Christianity and Islam are "fake" or frauds as Jesus and Muhamman are long dead and the Original People who founded those memeplexes are long dead. Yet the coherent set of ideas still continues.

America should not exist. The Founding Fathers are long dead. Every human being who was ever involved in the American revolution are long dead. None of us today in America have any real connection to those Original Founding members, yet America still exists as a Vehicle or outer Form which presences/manifests a set of ideas/ideals codified and set into motion long ago.

A memeplex which has objectives and is codified with a set of visions to manifest simply cannot be tied down or anchored to a fixed set of individuals. It must be self replicating.

Any creator of a memeplex - from Crowley and his Thelema to LaVey and his thing - wants their Vehicle/Yana of ideas to be self propagating and self replicating. Otherwise the ideas have no outlet of transmission. Outlet of transmission I think is the key idea.

Some of us are too stuck/fixated on the outer form called the "ONA" have a hard time understanding the modus and motive behind it: DM. DM had an intention, to transmit his ideas and visions into people who resonate with them to get them to ACT out and apply those ideas and vision to generate results.

The ONA from the very beginning days was created and described as a Causal Form of "The Sinister." The Sinister being DM and CB's term for an Essence beneath the Form. An Essence felt and found in Nature as a phenomenon feebly worded as "Sinister." Even if the outer form does not exist, the Essence still Flows. Nothing is stopping anyone in tune to the Essence to "reincarnate" that Essence into a Form.

I highly, highly suggest anyone who has a hard time understanding all this talk about Essence and Form to study Jeet Kun Do, as well as Buddhism. There is only one Dhamma: Phenomena; or one Dhammakaya: Body of Phenomena; which is Reality. What we know of as "Buddhism" in all its various Forms and schools are Yana [Vehicles] which conveys that same Dhamma to a different market in different words and outer ideas. Thus you end up with Mahayana, Vajrayana, etc. Even if those schools of Buddhism were to go extinct, the Dhamma still remains and nothing prevents some insightful person from creating a new Yana to convey that Dhamma.

DM, time and time again in his own writings as well as Anton Long tells people over and over again this very same idea. He tells people in his writing that the Form is different from the Essence. He tells people over and over again not to be "in thrall" or fixated on what is said and written, but what he is and has been doing. But some of us don't want to hear this. And so those that don't are fixated on some outer form thing called the "ONA" which must have a fixed set of original members; and if those original members - who remain never named and identified - are gone that the ONA stops existing, and the Essence also vanishes.

I tell you what. For those of us here who are stuck on this idea that the Original People, or Old Guards who "were" in the ONA in the 1980 or whenever are "gone" - Give me a list of names of these unidentified Old Guards and Originals who were/are the ONA that left and are dead or in prison. I will do you a favour and varify that list of names for you, and get information on their current where status. Unless I see names dropped, this idea is nebulous.

The other thing implied by this idea of the ONA being fundamentally based on a set fixed body of Original 1980's membership is the Assumption that the ONA's old day efforts of distributing their memeplex and books and initiation rites via snail mail NEVER produced a single member. Because even if some set of original membership are dead, what about the all the old Initiates/cells that may have found and learned of the ONA via post and snail mail correspondence/mentoring? Did they also vanish too? Give me names of the vanished? The evidence that they magically vanished too, along with EVERY SINGLE person once affiliated with the ONA.

But all that membership is insignificant. The membership in the ONA is not and does not make the ONA. David Myatt and his friend Beesty Boy made the ONA and IS the ONA. They are still here. That's all that should matter if we understand that THEY "qua" Themselves ARE the ONA. I dare you - anybody - to present to me PROOF in documentation and written affidavit that David Myatt and Richard Moult have renounced the ONA and are no longer affiliated and no longer distributing ONA ideas to people. And I will do you a favour and present that proof to these two to check your assumptions and data for you.

And by proof I don't mean a cut and paste job about how DM or RM may have written such and such stating they are not ONA. Chances are what you quote will be shit either I or one of my friends have written and put online years ago to support the glamour and Insight Rolls of 'you know who(s)' took on for whatever reason.

Show me the proof. Better yet tell DM and Beesty to call me up and tell me. Let them do what they do. The Essence is still there. The two people who only matter are still there. All it takes is a real basic understanding of how the "ONA" is fundamentally put together.

In conclusion, as D says, the "ONA" is a source of ideas meant to be applied by an individual who want to apply those ideas into a praxis to manifest a certain Myattian objective. It is not and was never an organized structured institution like the CoS or OTO are. Being never organized and having never existed in such an institutionalized form, it can not stop existing: because it never existed to stop existing. They are the ideas of one or two or four or five people; all of whom are still actively putting out ideas.


Edited by Caladrius (03/21/11 04:07 PM)
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#51483 - 03/21/11 04:46 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo

The French Foreign Legion

You might have a look at these, they are not as picky as the regular army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0eWBeHrofE

D.


I dunno, D. Even the Foreign Legion requires discipline, both as an individual and as a group, which is something that Hegesias is sorely lacking, as evidenced in most of his posts. People who think the military is only about killing are delusional AND their impulsiveness gets other people killed.
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#51489 - 03/21/11 05:35 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
 Originally Posted By: Diavolo

The French Foreign Legion

You might have a look at these, they are not as picky as the regular army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0eWBeHrofE

D.


I dunno, D. Even the Foreign Legion requires discipline, both as an individual and as a group, which is something that Hegesias is sorely lacking, as evidenced in most of his posts. People who think the military is only about killing are delusional AND their impulsiveness gets other people killed.


I can only speak for myself, and can't comment as to its effectiveness, but my brief foray into the military actually provided me with and taught me much self discipline, which I was definitely lacking beforehand. Having never seen active combat, I may not know what I'm talking about, but the lifestyle definitely improved my work ethic.

Maybe that kind of structure would assist Hegesias.

That said, Caladrius has summed up the ONA perfectly. The ONA isn't necessarily about 'culling' or about 'dark Gods' or anything of that sort, but rather about a set of ideas and the main purpose of it was to manifest and make real those ideas, however they are assembled.

I'm not sure how we made it onto the subject of military capabilities/history and the propensity for, vs. history of killing, but I fail to see the relevance. I don't remember seeing anyone on this forum or in this thread claim to have 'culled' anyone within the meaning of the limited scope of the ONA. In fact, I don't even remember many of the 'old guard' claiming that they had culled anyone either. (It's all implied in their attempts to codify previously non-existent 'Satanic rituals' but there's scant to no evidence that such ritual has ever been undertaken in the 'real world'). Of course that was far from the point. The point was seemingly to incite those to perform such acts with a definite end.

Myatt by his own admission in his autobiography has been obsessed with one ideal for most of his life and (if you believe him) to his great personal cost. He even expressly states that it has been his desire to see 'mankind evolve' and to do that he's always firmly asserted their must be real change. His foray into national socialism, Satanism, Islam, all have one thing in common. They are picked to attack the foundations of society in one way or another. To destroy a culture so that a new one can rise in it's place, which he sees still as being some kind of 'Galactic Imperium' (whatever that is supposed to mean).

It's an essence, an idea, a concept which he's put into several memeplexes to attempt to get as much traction as he can to create real action.

If one attempts to actually complete the physical tests set forth by Myatt (especially the walking) one is forced to march over hilly terrain at an average speed of 6mph carrying a large amount of weight. That's the same average speed that's used in SAS selection. It's not easy, in fact, it would be near impossible to complete for almost anyone that attempted it and yet that was one of the stated entry criteria of the 'old guard'. Naturally this softened to 'set a difficult physical goal' but it makes a fair point. The ONA manuscripts always struck me as something aspirational, which would be attainable by only a microscopic percentage of people in a real way, and for such people it's unlikely that they would ever actually go through the pain required for such a cause. For most it would be something to aspire to, and in the effort Myatt's aims would likely be achieved anyway, even if all he did was cause a smattering of chaotic violence caused by a few gullible individuals.

What I applaud the ONA for is giving that 'style' of Satanism an overreaching aim. A meta-narrative that provides it with some reason to be short of just 'being a dick to everyone'. As to whether it's noble or honorable to sacrifice people, or whether or not human sacrifice would even work in a 'ritual' setting is beside the point, because I doubt any such 'sacrifice' has ever been made. Nor is the killing in itself the sign of the elite per the ONA. It's merely one of the esoteric practices of a specific Nexion thereof.

Also, as to the 'old guard' I mean really, what did they do? Send some mail around? Formulate some manuscripts? Did Myatt ever successfully kill anyone? Does it even matter? He was the mastermind of a memeplex (essence, whatever) nothing more. Sure with the advent of the internet such a memeplex will vary, but the core obsession of the man who formulated it remains and will continue to influence those it comes into contact with.


Edited by MindFux (03/21/11 05:38 PM)

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#51690 - 03/24/11 05:42 AM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: MindFux]
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Whatever people think of the ONA - however smart some may be, or however foolish and gullible - there has always been people around that were affected by it from a little bit, to considerable extremes. The ONA manages to make arguments that go beyond convincing to exacting - they manage to change minds, deeds and actions simply with the power of inert text.

The discussion about culling may very well be theoretical but there have been direct outcomes by the ONA that have and presumably still do lead to violence, terrorism and thousands of other ongoing acts that have their own story to tell. Such as the jailing of the members of WOT (White Order of Thule) for their NS and bomb-related activities, or The Tempel ov Blood in NC for instance, Does hurt people, and acts as a cult that exacts punishing regimes and brain-washing programs, humiliation and torture. What draws people into this crazy shit? The Mythos of the ONA coupled with their Vampiric Spiel. Because of my association to the ONA I continually get people asking my advice on joining this or that sect, doing this or that action - whether they did some of them or not I will never know, the road is long and people usually fade away after a few months at best. Those that didn't joined me in the Temple of THEM.

I have done things I would not have thought myself capable of doing, and continue to act as a fanatic of the Sinister. Because of the power of the Mythos of the ONA. Almost anywhere you go on internet forums, the ONA commands interest. Here in 600 club, our nexion has over 12,000 visits. The hynotic allure of the ONA is not by chance. But what exactly is it? - in some respects, like a 3-handed piano player its litery assault manages to his to many keys its bound to hit one of yours.

Where it generates Conflict - it generates involved and brain-stretching efforts to get around its concepts which have a very solid grounding not only in the actual form they represent, but in the refusal to accept that form, there is a lesson too. Everything is a lesson in the ONA - hardship, failure, arrogance, destiny, emotion, whatever it is, whatever you achieve, there is always more. You're always half-done. A lot of people fear having no goal, nothing to aspire to - the ONA is so hard, thats not a problem.

Where it generates agreement it thrives especially when people beign to question its exoteric instructive doctrine - because you learn whether you go with the Septenary Way, or take a different approach and ask, they dont really expect me to do this do they, so why is This here? When it comes to the ONA you're dealing with a leviathan monster of ideas - a rich and poignant history and mythology that has inspired thousands of people. I have spoken to thousands of people over the decade about ONA or something related to it - and still it continues to draw attention and people into its dark arms.

THe ONA makes you seriously think, it cannot be easily dismissed, because even dismissal has a connotation about the dismisser's perception.

Inner turmoil has made me leave those arms many times as I struggle to understand, overcome, make peace with the huge contradictions and energies that assail anyone trying to comprehend the ONA on its many levels - but I think the best of ONA is yet to come and that the last 50 years have built only the foundations, and those forms with a life of their own have not yet peaked.

Moreover, one doesnt have to be gullible to be taken in by the ONA - the Order offers something for everyone, even if what you get is an air of superiority that you 'bested' it with your intellect.
Smart people are violent too - and struggling with autonomy and the conflict of being told what to do whilst struggling to be ones own agent - does get resolved, and people do/have gotten hurt regardless of whether they felt they were master or slave.

But what the ONA has really culled, is ignorance. It has performed thousands of fundamental and lastinf attacks and assualts on the points of view held by a very large number of people - it has torn holes in faulty reason and speculative nonsense, and it has altered, no matter that people dont admit it, the way people percieve IT, and therefore, broadened the average toolkit for how those people view other things. That is real change, because as the individual changes, so do they influence change in others and the outside world.

In the end, it all comes down to a mastery of Forms - no matter how you deliver them.


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Edited by Khk (03/24/11 05:43 AM)

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#51736 - 03/24/11 10:28 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Khk]
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Recommendation (and perhaps a request):

For the rest of the committee, please read the last posts by Caladrius, MindFux, and Khk, TWICE EACH before making any additional replies to this thread.

I think these last three posts are the most current and coherent statements on the current state of the ONA I have seen in last 10 pages or so.
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#51963 - 03/31/11 08:06 AM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Fist]
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I read the opening post to this thread.

Bullsh*t comes to mind.

Culling - what has that got to do with Satanism?

Under two headings Satanism exists:

1. devil worship - people too busy being slaves to have any empowerment to change themselves let alone "cull" people.

2. being god by expressing their egos - people busy doing their own thing by becoming gods.

The Laveyans are an example of ego as god, and the only interest they have in others would be along the lines of predating on sheep as a stepping stone to becoming their own god. Worrying about what the rest of humanity is doing, or being some sort of saviour by culling the stupid has never been a major priority for Laveyans. The stupd only die when they enter the lair of a Laveyan - then they get chewed and spat out.

Culling is a Right Hand Path idea, people looking to change the road by trying to conform it to their narrow views through violence, an outlook doomed to failure since there is always going to be even sheep capable of shooting down the wolf.


Edited by mabon2010 (03/31/11 08:07 AM)
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#51968 - 03/31/11 01:21 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: mabon2010]
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Culling is a RHP idea?

Does being a Luciferian involve sniffing glue?

D.

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#51970 - 03/31/11 02:31 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: mabon2010]
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1. devil worship - people too busy being slaves to have any empowerment to change themselves let alone "cull" people.[sic]

2. being god by expressing their egos - people busy doing their own thing by becoming gods.[sic]

Firstly, what is Devil worship if it is not the occurrence about when the principle of evil is becoming the ideal of the Promethean? To conceptualise and actualise the blackest intrusions into human psyche? Would the wolf care how many sheep there are? Or would he acknowledge that they are sheep.

In regards to the second statement. Would we conclude that exalting the ego is the path to Apotheosis? That survival of the fittest is in and about even the frail lamb is true, for they run and hide, for they gather and use one another as shield. Will to Power is in and about all living creature's yet survival of the fittest is a consequence of this assertion. A wolf does not fear how many sheep there are because he is a wolf, this is not a conceited Godhead but a necessity of nature.
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#51971 - 03/31/11 02:31 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
I read the opening post to this thread.

Bullsh*t comes to mind.

Culling - what has that got to do with Satanism?



It has nothing to do with Satanism, like your "Luciferianism" has nothing to do with Satanism. It has something to do with the "ONA."

The only BS here is your mind Mabon. Go do yourself and everybody a favour and FIRST formulate Luciferianism into an actual REAL coherent thought before trying to tackle 40 year old coherent memeplexes. Because right now your "Luciferianism" is a hodge podge of your own opinions and positional beliefs.

It's like I have to explain everything.

There is a practical or two main practical uses and utilizations for Mythos, which Culling falls under.

By Mythos I mean ideas, stories, history, rites, narratives, and common praxis associated with any given social grouping of people.

For example regarding the Initial usage:

If I were the Army and I need to keep new recruits flowing into my army I know that I need a certain type and quality of person I must draw in and attract.

If I chose to make a PR commercial trying to attract new members into my Army, I would not make a commercial featuring morbidly obese people, and fat couch potatoes eating pizza. And I would not make statements like: "Are you fat? Do you need a job? Don't have anything to do by watch TV? Well join the Army!"

Why don't we as an army want to do this? Because even if the commercial worked, what would we fucking do as an army with a bunch of lazy fatasses?

That army has a mythos to it. The proper way to do thing is to present that mythos to the sea of people out there to draw out the ones that have the right quality and traits you need.

Street gangs work the same way. Gang will break down their group mythos into various ways to draw in new people who already have the quality and potential in them to express and live that gang culture. The last thing a gang wants to do is attract book worm types that get hard ons for debating and throwing opinions around.

The "ONA" - as with any coherent ordering of people - has its own Mythos. More specifically something like the ONA is highly goal oriented. These goals and long term objectives requires a certain type of person or persons with the Right Kind of quality to make things happen. The most important quality such people must have is the ability/capability to do whatever it takes - legal or illegal - to manifest those goals.

Therefore, the initial Mythos of the ONA - which include the idea and narrative of Culling - exists as it does to Initially call out of the "ether" those that actually resonates with that "vibe."

For example if on chance encounter a person reads ONA Mythos and likes the idea of culling or has no issues or problem with it, then that person has the resonating quality the ONA originally desired to call out and draw in.

If on the other hand somebody like yourself encounters the Mythos and read about culling and goes into some spastic opinionated intellectual reaction, then you are not the Type the "ONA" is looking for.

Whether or not a culling is performed is besides the point and not the Initial intent. The initial intent is to use that thought-form of Culling as an Attractant to draw out the "Sinister" type to the ONA. "Sinister" here simply means with the internal capability to do whatever it takes to get work done, even if it means to kill or coerce other to kill.

The second use of Mythos and idea/meme of Culling is to act as "Seeds" to germinate a common in-group Culture. Or we can say that such Mythos and narratives have the secondary function of orienting the groups collective mind, emotion, and actions, with a common purpose and goal specific action/praxis.

So to recap: the actual act of culling and whether culling happens or not, is not the functioning point and initial intent. If as an individual - such as yourself - you have a predictable emotive, and intellectually opinionated react to such ideas, than you did not pass the "ONA Litmus Test." You failed.
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#51972 - 03/31/11 02:40 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Caladrius]
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Even when in the satanic context; Might is Right, Will to Power and Master Morality do not exclude culling as a morally unjustified or "at all costs to be avoided" act. If a practitioner decides it is his desire to eliminate those in the herd he sees as undesirable and prefers to remove them, it is entirely in his right and not offending any so called LHP rules, since at the LHP, the practitioner performs exactly those deeds he sees as necessary.

It can of course be considered silly, stupid or insane but to say it is RHP shows a very limited understanding of what the LHP is about.

D.

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#51974 - 03/31/11 03:23 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Caladrius]
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Mabon is surely pretending to be juxtaposed in order to see who will side with him — so he can select them as Opfer in real life?

Pose as a Mr. Morality and self deprecate, aware that you are being watched by a group who would set you up. A good defence in court after doing what you really love best.

Assessment for levels of psychopathy is a good idea. This is not limited to ONA MSS.

Males were assessed for levels of psychopathy. The Hare Psychopathy Check-list–Screening Version was compared in a random sample of gang members with a matched community sample of violent non-gang members and samples of forensic and psychiatric patients and undergraduate students. Analysis involved t-test, chi- square, and Cronbach’s alpha statistics. More than half of the gang sample were categorized as low, 44% as moderate, and only 4% as high on psychopathy. The gang members had higher scores on the total, affective, and behavioural scores than the non–gang members. High scores on adolescent antisocial behaviour, poor behavioural controls, and lack of remorse were found in both samples. Gang members scored twice as high as non-gang members on lack of empathy. Both samples were lower on psychopathy than the forensics and higher than psychiatric patients and undergraduates. The results provide grounds for early intervention efforts for this high-risk population.

As empathy is not something created by morality and that empathy is a necessity of nature, that the wolf will sense fear before attack and the sadist will derive stimulation from suffering. I assert that psychopaths do not lack empathy but quite the opposite, they can recognise and be stimulated by another's suffering, high emotional intelligence is necessary to control their own reactions and make judgement as to whether a reaction to others is merited. Doctors and Law enforcement officials will only see a callous and dispassionate side of psychopaths because a psychopath does not submit to other males or morality.

Caladrius, you have brought to my attention a contradictory clam made by the Army: The Army seeks those with the propensity to kill — Natural Born Killers? I have read about this and compiled the knowledge I have accumilated on criminal psychology over many years. There seems to be no active recruitment of psychopaths into the Army simply because a murder conviction is not considered proof. So how do they draw in those with the propensity to kill as first nature? They spot them too late on the battlefield and in going about things this way they lose lives due to poor strategic placement of psychopaths. Psychopaths do the majority of the ground killing in war yet they are defamed by media and society as being emotionless and soulless robots.

I assert the notion that this is a trick to appeal to the abundance of emotion the psychopath feels constantly — deep seated rage. I assert the notion that the government seeks to draw them out as useful while also deprecating them to the fearful public. A psychopath seeks high / intense stimulation due to the great depth of the individuals emotional and cognitive intelligence that goes beyond morality and comfort seeking, the only resource the weak and subordinate masses can do is try and manipulate by what they understand of psychopaths. Society has created a defence along the lines of "If we show deliberate ignorance and misrepresentations, we can get them to respond from disgust". Police do this all the time in media and posters designed to taunt.
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#51975 - 03/31/11 03:43 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Hegesias]
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There is something fascinating about this.

During the last months, we had some spiffy things happening here. Some guys found a great source of income. They entered the homes of some elderly, those they knew had been doing well in life, tied this eighty year old to a chair and kept punching his face in front of his wife until she told them where the goodies were. A couple did find it amusing to use their four year old as an ashtray; it must have been handy to use the kids face for that and afterward apply boiling water. I guess they liked things to be very clean. The papers are filled with pedo-priests sharing the body of christ with everyone that can't outrun them. Add to those the shit we're so used to we hardly notice.

I'm not going to be moral about this; that's human nature too; we're a fine bunch indeed. But when reading all this, the question that appears is, why some are so vehemently opposed to culling?

Some might just be taking out the trash.

D.

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#51976 - 03/31/11 03:49 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Diavolo]
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@ Diavolo

Human society is imperfect but when was it a Satanic ideal to set the world to rights? The Satanist is only interested in his own self, cares nothing for others, and only "culls" others if it is in his own interests to do so.

I object to the notion that Satanists cull others for the sake of making a better world, they have no ideals and work only from self interest.

If Might is Right, the one in power may not be the idealistic good guy, and those that get culled may in fact be Satanists, or intellectuals or anything else the guy in power dislikes.


Edited by mabon2010 (03/31/11 03:49 PM)
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#51980 - 03/31/11 04:03 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: mabon2010]
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What you do not understand too well is Satanism my friend.

I see you, again and again, defining what Satanism is or what satanists are all about and each time I wonder what the hell you are talking about.

It is as if you have no idea about the basics, no clue about the Nietzschean principles and use some vague cardboard characters you drew in your mind, to define to yourself what Satanism is. And then you are totally convinced you totally figured it all out.

D.

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#51981 - 03/31/11 04:06 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Diavolo]
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@ Diavolo
Where am I wrong in my definitions on Satanism. You say I am wrong but you fail to point where I have gone wrong. I am always open to learn, and will adapt and change definitions if I see I am wrong.
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