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#4236 - 02/14/08 01:48 PM Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft'
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Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft'

I understood that things were bad for people of different religions, but I didn't expect this to still be going on in countries where we have had military troops in the past. I am not sure but, we might still have people there.

In Beirut Lebanon, they want to kill this woman accused of witchcraft. The arrested her, interrogated her, and didn't give her a chance to prove her innocence. She retracted her confessioning claiming duress and being unable to read what she was forced to sign. The lower court reissued her death sentence for the benefit of the public.

It's really messed up in this day and age that people are still being chased for this stuff. It just kinda brings home the problems that "we" would face in those foreign countries for being different. I wasn't sure/didn't believe it before but, I am sure now that some of our tattoos alone would bring about lots of problems.

Stupid People suck.

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#4237 - 02/14/08 06:07 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Morgan]
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It shouldn't really come as shock to anyone that Islam is still stuck in the first millennium. This is a primitive religion that has yet to experience any sort of reformation.

Everything is interpreted literally with them, it seems...

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#4239 - 02/14/08 07:31 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Morgan]
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I've spent time living in South Korea, Japan, Taipei and the US over the years. I've also visited Singapore and Indonesia, but there is no way in hell that with my tattoo's,my double d's that I'm not afaid to show and my big mouth and bad girl attitude you would catch me anywhere near a country such as Lebenon or pretty much any middle eastern country.

I've been looking into working in Dubai and to be honest, even that concerns me greatly.

Funny thing is though, that the Iraqis have a religion with is a Theistic LHP religion. There is a sect there that actually worship the devil (and it is not an underground religion with members of their parliment prescribing to it).

I wonder if this is the only middle eastern country that has such a LHP religion?

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#4241 - 02/14/08 07:50 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Equilibrio]
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Saudi Arabia is no better then the Christians. There religious mentality is either you believe what they believe in or they just take you out in public and kill you.

The Christians have executed many people who practiced witchcraft. The same ones who go around saying thall shall not kill are the ones who were doing all the killings. Hell if the Christians could get away with killing people for witchcraft now a days there sure as shit would.

It is sad that people will kill others over there choice of beliefs. Bush even stated once that he doesn't think witchcraft should be a religion because it goes against his southern values.

I think everyone should be able to have the free will to whatever belief they want as long as they don't hurt anyone in the process.
People need to keep open minds and learn to respect others and not go off killing someone because they practice a religion they don't approve of.

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#4245 - 02/14/08 09:11 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Noc]
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Thats nothing. I was watching a Frontline the other day. They did a special on Iran going around hanging teenage girls for partying and having premarital sex.

This one very young teenage girl was seduced by a very old taxi driver and coerced her into this sexual relationship. The teenage girl was found out and she was hung when she was 16 years old. The old 60 year old guy that molested her only got about 12 spankings and was let go.
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#4248 - 02/15/08 12:02 AM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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It's the Yedzi's (sorry if my spelling is off).

They are/used to be a very old, keep to themselves, tribe like, nomad kinda of people. In a nutshell if I remember correctly, they believe the peacock is holy because of the eye of god in it's tail. They believe that this world is controled/belongs to Satan/Shaitain. Thus they never use his name or mention it because it would draw his attention to you from calling him.

They have their own occult type stuff, and its usually very hard to find any information on them. I have one of their songs on sheet music from the late 1800, but I haven't been able to make time to play it on a piano (or violin) properly (its been a while since I owned either).

This religion was not always recognized as a legal religion in those countries, and people used to kidnap their women and possessions and the tribesmen could do nothing. It was finally made into a recogined religion around the late 1800's helped in part by the british gentleman Sir Richard Burton. Who in his autobiography & travel logs mentioned how he loved their carefree ways and wanted to be a Satanist too.

I really want to go to Egypt, and see various things. It's just at this point, I am not even sure that going with one male partner would still be safe.

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#4259 - 02/15/08 09:53 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Noc]
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 Originally Posted By: Noc
Saudi Arabia is no better then the Christians. There religious mentality is either you believe what they believe in or they just take you out in public and kill you.

The Christians have executed many people who practiced witchcraft. The same ones who go around saying thall shall not kill are the ones who were doing all the killings. Hell if the Christians could get away with killing people for witchcraft now a days there sure as shit would.


There is a slight difference between Saudi Arabia and Christianity--they're coexisting at the same time, yet operating in mindsets that are centuries, if not millennia apart. The majority of Christians nowadays are, while judgemental, still relatively tolerant of others' beliefs. In SA, it's a case of having grown too rich too quick, with not enough time to develop tolerance and a more worldly outlook. Saudi Arabia is where Christianity was back in the Dark Ages, their mullahs are acting as the medieval popes once did, with religious police and enforcers as the Cardinals, Priests and their henchmen. The disturbing thought going through my mind at this point is: Will it take as long for Muslims to develop culturally as it did for Christians? Can we endure another 500 years of their insane brand of ignorance?
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#4274 - 02/16/08 01:12 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Nemesis]
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I've came across people who claim to be Christians in recent months who didn't know me or my beliefs and I over heard them say that all witches should be burnt at the stake because there evil!!!

These people were talking amongst themselves and said a Co-worker was into witchcraft and they didn't like her and thought she should be put to death for all her evil.. Well I finally stepped in and said and do the you both feel the same way about the priests who have molested little kids and then had the churches cover all it up? They never had a response to that.

And this was just a few months ago this took place, so people still have the mentality to kill off witches because there evil but yet these same people don't feel the same about there own when people do evil things....

People need to realize its not the religion thats evil its the people who do evil... People aren't forced to do anything evil they just choose to do it...

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#4344 - 02/19/08 09:20 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Noc]
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More wars have been fought in the name of religious beliefs than for any other reason.
It isn't any surprise that people still feel that way.
Such self-rightous people that think people shoudl be treated with respect and kindness as long as those people worship the same thing, in the same way.

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#4473 - 02/23/08 03:21 AM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Kit]
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That's nothing surprising. The practies of such things is heavily offensive to the Saudi Aarabian sub-culture. These people should expect to be treated cruelly for openly practicing such things. They need to learn to be more discret.
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#4487 - 02/24/08 01:35 AM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: DaVinci]
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But how do you think change comes around DaVinci? If anyone that has a difference of opinion has too stay underground, change would never happen.

Maybe they are not discreet for a purpose.

Maybe they are actively looking for debate. More too them for putting their lives on the line for something they believe in.

You are in the ADF, but have you ever put your life on the line to the same extent? I doubt it. You wont even be seen with Satanic material in case you get caught.

Seems to me, she was alot more gutsier than you will ever be.

In all respect,

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#4489 - 02/24/08 05:20 AM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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You are in the ADF, but have you ever put your life on the line to the same extent? I doubt it. You wont even be seen with Satanic material in case you get caught.

Seems to me, she was alot more gutsier than you will ever be.


I've put my life on the line countless of times, you've probably even seen it on the news - however that is a completely different view. She was only ever putting herself in danger, whereas I could have potentially put my entire units life in danger. I don't care if I get caught, because there's nothing to 'catch' but it could have compromised the lives of my fellow unit members and that is something, through respect and honour, that I just won't do.

Unless you've been in a life or death situation, you have no right and no place to comment on such actions. I've experienced Islamic Culture first-hand, and it's nothing compared to what you see on the media.

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But how do you think change comes around DaVinci? If anyone that has a difference of opinion has too stay underground, change would never happen.


I can agree with that; but would it not be more wise to be more discreet about your practices, especially when you know for a fact that the consequences will be undesireable?
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#5537 - 03/13/08 10:57 AM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: DaVinci]
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I've put my life on the line countless of times, you've probably even seen it on the news - however that is a completely different view. She was only ever putting herself in danger, whereas I could have potentially put my entire units life in danger. I don't care if I get caught, because there's nothing to 'catch' but it could have compromised the lives of my fellow unit members and that is something, through respect and honour, that I just won't do.

Unless you've been in a life or death situation, you have no right and no place to comment on such actions. I've experienced Islamic Culture first-hand, and it's nothing compared to what you see on the media.


So exactly how long were you deployed for DaVinci, because quite frankly I don't beleive that you ever have been.

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#5540 - 03/13/08 12:08 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Believe what you like, deary. Nice to know you like to show your respects to the people who defend the National Interests of your country, though. ;\) As for dates and how long, I won't disclose that.
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#5550 - 03/13/08 03:26 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: DaVinci]
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You could little boy, if you had actually done it.

But of course your little game of BS has finally caught up with you. So you desperately try to act tough and hide behind military terms, pretending that it would be some sort of national disservice if said too much.

Truth is, there isn't anything to say.

As for not having respect for people who ACTUALLY defend the national interests of my country it's a mute point. You're NOT one of them. Therefore there's nothing to respect.

There is a word for people like you dear it's TROLL, not hero!

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#5666 - 03/14/08 08:21 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Zeph... you're perpetuating an argument now that's already gone across two topics can you drop it now for fuck sake. YOU started this back up again not DaVinci. Drop it or fuck of because myself and everyone else reading the forum doen't want to hear it anymore.

As for Islamic Culture. I personally find Islam to be terrifying. If given a choice I will turn down any ops that would send me to Islamic countries on behalf of the TA unless I'm there to kill muslims. As a satanist I would almost certainly be killed as some form of heretic in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Lebannon and Egypt so unless we're at war I'm not going.

I find Islam insulting to such a degree that it's almost impossible for me to believe that people follow this religion. It violates even the most basic instinctual ideals. It's just so bigotted and hateful.
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#5679 - 03/14/08 09:32 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Actually Tornado Creator if you look at the date of the post it was written a few day ago, unlike yours which again is a day late and a dollar short.
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#5680 - 03/14/08 09:43 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I personally find Islam to be terrifying. If given a choice I will turn down any ops that would send me to Islamic countries on behalf of the TA unless I'm there to kill muslims. As a satanist I would almost certainly be killed as some form of heretic in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Lebannon and Egypt so unless we're at war I'm not going.
TC i find your emotional expression of being terrified by Islam very fascinating. Besides the fear of them putting you to death for being a Satanist, are there any other reasons that you are afraid? I mean no offense. Personally what I find frightening about them is how the feelings of hatred for America and the western world had united many of their fanatics to take action. But I would expect this after so many centuries of us (westerners; i.e. the old British Empire; and America) minding their business and affairs. Without much at their disposal, they go to extreme measures. How do you feel about this?


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#5706 - 03/15/08 05:35 AM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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The very concepts of Islam; they're violent nature, the way they treat women, their hatred of free speach, their extreme racism, their materialistic nature, their attitute towards sex, their excessive laws on drugs and food, it just seems un-natural.

They act in a way that is entirely unpredictable and they are incapable of being tolerant. Muslims are some of the most bigotted people I have ever spoken to.

There is no other mainstream group. No religion, political group or subculture that I can think off, that is as extreme as Islam. This is what scares me. This and the fact that they are overtaking the world. As much as I know my feeling contradict my normal outlook on life I feel as though exterminating Islam would be a good move for the world in general. I would feel no remorse if handed a gun and told to kill Muslims because they are quickly erroding away everything I care about. It's horrible to say I know. If someone droped a nuke on China I would consider it an atrocity. Millions of people have died, despite them being of a different creed, culture and perspective to me. If the same happened in Saudi Arabia I would celebrate.

Maybe it's becomming more personal and less logical as it festers inside me, but I hate Islam. Unlike other religions that are intolerant and unreasonable but bareable (ie. Christianity), Islam isn't bareable, it is beyond barbaric and it's methods and teachings are simply too extreme. If I speak to a Muslim in the street I actual feel angry towards them because I know what ideals they have floating around in there brain, and it sickens me.

This coupled with the fact that Modern Islam has been at constant war with Britain for a long time now. Not official war, but social war. They have fled to our country to escape the skank pit hell hole they where so desparate to leave and then try to re-create that same hell holes law systems here in Britain. We actually have Muslim women protesting in the street and voting for Muslim MP candidates in order to impliment laws that stop them being allowed to fucking do it.

I'm probably regurgitating nothing but hate now. The subject of Islam fills me with such anger that I find I just start typing and before I know what's going on I have 3-4 paragraphs so I'll end it there. If I can come up with a more concise/comprehensable explaination I'll post it.
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#5727 - 03/15/08 12:12 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: TornadoCreator]
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TC,

Ready to cast that BNP vote now?
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#5728 - 03/15/08 03:12 PM Re: Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft' [Re: Fist]
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It's looking nicer and nicer every day Fist, I won't deny that but I won't lower myself to mindless racism and white supremacy. I don't think like that. I don't have an illogical hatred for other races I have a quite logical and reasonable hatred for a religion that is destroying our national culture, is the major driving force behind current terrorism and is extremely stifling of civil liberties, human rights and even basic common sense. I think there is a difference.

I can't help it if 9 out of 10 of them also happen to be of the middle eastern race, but don't worry, a middle eastern Atheist (or even buddhist, christian or jew for that matter, assuming they're not militant or annoyingly vocal about their religion) is welcome to come to Britain, get a job, buy a house, use our NHS etc. In fact, I welcome that guy, I just don't want any more fucking extremist Muslim pricks with shit for brains anymore, we have our quota already.
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