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#4238 - 02/14/08 07:25 PM Might is Right
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Hey All,

Yesterday reading one of Fists posts got me to thinking about the might is right concept and how it pertains to the islam/west conflict.

Now I have yet to have to opportunity to read the book, so I will openly admit that I may be very ignorant of the true meaning behind it. Actually if anyone knows where I can get a PDF copy, or pick up a relatively cheapish copy, I would be interested in reading it. It just hasn't come across my path at this point in time, anyway I digress.

From what I gather are the basic principles, the strongest or most powerful wins, I'm thinking that this would mean that not only has Islam got every right to want to kill/maim/hurt and destroy the wetern world, but it shows that they have the might is right mentality as a people. Therefore Fist, you must admire them in some way, even if you want to prove that they are not the stronger sect and that in fact democracy and freedom are going to kick their asses into oblivion.

Wanting over power. We want them to fuck off and leave us alone, but we need to get the power to MAKE them fuck off and leave us alone. Trouble is, short of genecide how can one gain power over a people that beleive in an all powerfull diety that they will lay their lives and that of many others on the line for?

So if might is right, then this conflict or war between the east and the west will never be settled until one or the other is totally destroyed.

Please please let me know what you all think (especially you Fist) as I have spent quite a bit of time pondering this thought since it addled my brain yesterday.

I'm not saying might is not right, so please don't think I am, this is a genuine interest in a discussion. I don't actually remember reading about it on the last site, although fuck knows I could be wrong about THAT too.

Zeph
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#4244 - 02/14/08 09:05 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Hi Zeph;

If I may give my opinions at certain risk and peril.

Might is definitely Right, but only in a short term way, and it produces more negative side affects. Might only seems right at first, but Nature favors the most industrious, cooperative, and symbiotic. Most animals that may be considered Mighty are either extinct or endangered. Ants have been around for a very long time. They may not look mighty, but they make up 1/4th of the earth's biomass.

As far as the middle east deal - in the end the winner will be the one who is most collective. We (USA) are only united in word. We're divided as to how to deal with this issue. The Republicans want war, the Democrats want to pull out; and much of the world doesn't seem to like us much for the Iraq deal.

Then we have "Them." They really hate our guts for sticking our noses into their business since the crusades. They are governed by these religious leaders who can collect their followers into a cohesive unit of hatred - enough to influence individual to strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up - by twisting the Quran...

Might really isn't always the most intelligent and Reasonable way to deal with problems that effects such a vast number of people. This is just my opinion.
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#4339 - 02/19/08 05:56 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Instinctually, I tend to agree with you. I thought there might be a little more interest in this discussion, but apparently this is either a rehash or a boring subject. Who'd have thought?

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#4347 - 02/19/08 09:41 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Actually you have sent me on a hunt for this book... I am interested in why this book seems to be so unavailable... Yet so many different versions seem to be out there...

Ah just checked looks like a new reprinting is available on amazon but it says it is only 96 pages long... Others say around 100 more pages...

I am perplexed so I still hunt...

The copy that I consider collectible would be the one with a forward from Anton LaVey... Good luck finding that... There are a few university libraries in NY that have older copies but that doesn't help me right now...

Somebody needs to release this one to the wild in pdf format... Not that I condone illegal activity...

Hence my silence... Better silent than to vomit random thoughts just on the title or what little I know of this book from LaVeys plagiarisms in The Satanic Bible...

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (02/19/08 09:45 PM)
Edit Reason: Added vomit comment...
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#4365 - 02/20/08 09:05 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: ta2zz]
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I found a reprint which is 185 pages long. It doesn't say anything about the foreword by LaVey so probably it doesn't have one.
Product info says:

A reprint of the 1910 classic, which questions all the moral and ethical foundations of society, and argues that, behind genteel myths, force is the only reality. Even if you don't agree with the basic tenets of this book, you will have to think why you believe as you do.

It's not even very expensive, don't have time nor enthusiasm to convert, but it's 24,50 in euros. Guess it would be worth the read at least.

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#4432 - 02/21/08 07:35 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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http://www.dilpicklepress.com/index.php

...From the original Dill Pickle Club of anarchists, socialists, and other assorted anti-establishment bomb throwers of the early 20th Century.

Google it.

In historic editions, page length may vary due to print size and extra editorial verbosity to justify a new copyright. At some point, I will head down to the Library of Congress and scan whatever original volumes I can find. The original copy right has long since expired.

Fear not. I will provide my other thoughts soon enough.
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#4454 - 02/22/08 10:09 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: Fist]
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http://books.google.ca/books?id=HioKA46b...umbnail#PPP1,M1 granted its missing pages but this seems to be the best version on the net i have found.enjoy
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#4491 - 02/24/08 06:18 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: rob_church]
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 Quote:
Trouble is, short of genecide how can one gain power over a people that beleive in an all powerfull diety that they will lay their lives and that of many others on the line for?

Normally, "the power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it." That statement implies physicality, but as you pointed out, physical destruction means very little to an extremist who has a bomb strapped to his chest. They have to be threatened with something that will be much more frightening to them: the destruction of their so-called "souls."

Couldn't the East could easily be overpowered by the might of Wal-Mart and cable television? Imagine how much damage they would sustain (as a people) if their countries were force-flooded with dirty magazines, erotica and advertising, for the next ten years. Would their own primal desires tear them apart from the inside out?

That's really part of the West's economic "might" if you think about it; there are millions of individuals who all work to churn out an endless supply of consumer-feed, and reinforce our animal-need for instant gratification. The East doesn't have the might to defeat the West in a war where temptation and "sin" become the weapons of choice. It would destroy their cultural identity, ultimately "righting" the East by forcefully synchronizing its morale compass with the West's (which you could argue is quite Satanic in nature, even though many Westerners will lie through their teeth that it's not).
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#5722 - 03/15/08 11:30 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: Jeseth]
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I do have the book in question, but it has been a while since I read it.Might is Right is nothing new.Its somewhat Viking like and also reminds me of Neitchze. (SP?)It is how the ancient world lived until modern day, Enlightenment derived philosophies gave birth to classical liberalism and humanism which in turn gave birth to its bastardized and defective offspring called equality.I think modern day egalitarian philosophies, such as what reigns supreme in the western world, actually negate evolution in that the health and elite are taxed to support the offspring of the defective and the parasitical.When is the last time you have been to a Wal Mart, or Waffle House, and gazed at all the poor genetic stock, which is in the majority? The whole progressive income tax structure is designed to take from the productive and give to the parasitical.
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#8802 - 05/18/08 06:23 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: Samuel Hain]
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Hmmm........... once again lots of basic observations?
The Western world runs on the capitalist system, which pretty much echoes the 'might is right' anthem. There is nothing egalitarian about western civilisation, only euphemistic slogans that basically say 'f@#k you I'm OK'. Unfortunately amongst the satanic creed are those that are misanthromorphs, and those that are Satanists because they see the human beast as something worth preserving. Misanthromorphs are just christians, jews and muslims that go by another name. For it is those of the RHP that detest and deny what humanity truly is. Humanity is an organism, made of both inferior and superior genetic stock. From our gene pool some will expound upon the secrets of the universe and some will tile toilet floors. However, all are necessary as far as the organism’s survival.

Hmmmm...... we are not very good observers of nature anymore are we?
As for Islam is concerned, it is enjoying success because the peoples of the countries were an extremist brand is popular need it at present. Humans are incredibly opportunistic, once Islam fulfils their need it will be dumped like hot rocks, like it has been in many countries. On the flip side christianity is more popular than ever in the U.S. because (not unlike their crazy muslim counterparts) it is also giving their 'might' a 'right' so to speak.
Ahhh we should rejoice in the fact that we are happy with the truth of our animal existence. We should also be weary of the insidious nature of the deluded RHP followers that would seek to destroy humanity for their god.

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#8886 - 05/22/08 06:28 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: Zakary]
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Praise foe Zakary!

"Hail Satan."

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#8900 - 05/22/08 05:11 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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 Originally Posted By: Isaak w shipley
Praise foe Zakary!

"Hail Satan."

So many say to take your disagreements to a Private message without realizing disagreement is the beginnings of debate... If you dislike something then use all of your will to explain what you dislike on the other hand if you enjoy something then you should use the same amount of energy to praise them...

I myself think this 5 word praise is the prime example of what should be taken to a PM...

~T~

I might be right... ;\)
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#8906 - 05/22/08 06:46 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: ta2zz]
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To Explain Ta2zz,I also think the western world does reali
on the Quote "Beast" The system it has created to keep everything in line.Capitolized systems "Rule" the thing is that it does nothing to keep things in-line.In other systems like Islam and 3 World,Red Russia,Which my dirty Blood drinking
Disorder comes from called "Hemophilla"Which was start inside royality inside The Russian Royal Family,Why? Inbreeding,like Hitler they also thought keeping blood-line pure by "Keeping It
in the family"You know!The Poison disorder comes from Queen
Victora herself which was the Carrier.Women are carriers,but men
get the disorder because it skips generations,for Instance"A women carries,has a boy and he has Hemophilla,but if he marries and has a boy,he will not more than likely have it on the other coin,if a girl,she will carry to the Grandson.My synthetic blood is grown in California,Animal protien,or Rodent "Blood" "Plasma"
I am A spokesman for the "Beast'or the Capitolized system.They reali on feeding me because I feed the system.In 3world Countries
The system is simple Weak die ,Strong Survive.Steal,cut of the hand,Lie,Cut out the tounge.Kill and Be Crucified upside down for your Felony.Here you get to go inside the belly of luxury and get feed well and Drugs,Sex,Rock n Roll.Most that I have spoken with rather stay in Fed Prison because they live like kings off our Tax Dollars.This pisses me off.I say Crucify,Cricify,or Be-Head,Be-head,Get them out of the way and make our tax money more useful to the people who are hard workers
I praise Zackery for his intellect,and His bold speaking about the Capitolized System or "The Beast" as I say.Who Has marked me with the stamp of Biohazard.I will keep you alive with Blood Product because we make Billons off your Suffering,and you get to
Take Morpheous and have pretty Mutilated flesh from Pretty Pins N Needles.My Sickness floats the Economy,Hell yes I am a Spokesman for my BloodBrotherhood or BloodNation.Look us up in a
Stamp near you.Coming Soon...

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#8908 - 05/22/08 07:29 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Which my dirty Blood drinking
Disorder comes from called "Hemophilla"Which was start inside royality inside The Russian Royal Family,Why?


Actually I think you'll find that it was around well before the Russian Tsars with history dating it back to Jewish laws that stated that a boy need not be circumsized if he had two brothers die of bleeding before his birth.

Also, "Haemophilia in European royalty featured prominently and thus is sometimes known as "the royal disease". Queen Victoria passed the mutation to her son Leopold and, through several of her daughters, to various royals across the continent, including the royal families of Spain, Germany, and Russia. Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich, son of Nicholas II, was a descendant of Queen Victoria and suffered from hemophilia. "

Sorry to burst your Russian bubble there buddy.

Zeph
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#8909 - 05/22/08 07:49 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Thank you for the POp! I am glad you are even speaking about this subject to me.I am glad you added more knowlege
to the topic,which where I live is not disscussed,because of Taboos.They think I am of the devil,like I chose this path of pain.Thank you for your support.Thank you for more knowlege.
Thank you for being a giver not a taker.
Thank you Girl.
It really means everything to me
for you to give so I could Recieve.
Thank you...

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#10245 - 07/16/08 06:37 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Oh yeah, FYI, I have finally gotten a copy of "might is right".

So who was Ragner Redbeard? Was it a psuedonym and if so for whom.

I'm finding it a little boring really. I mean, reading it isn't opening my mind to new ideas as Atlas Shrugged did. I will however, give a proper opinion of it once I've read the whole thing.

Alot of it seems to just be anti religion, which of course was great for it's time, but not something I need convincing of.

Zeph
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#10247 - 07/16/08 09:36 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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"Atlas Shrugged" takes something like 900 pages to tell us that 10% of the people are carrying the water for the other 90% and we should just cash in out chips, walk away, and do our own thing.

In that same vein, "Might is Right" takes a whole book preach self-reliance, independence, and to NOT turn the other cheek.

Of course, it seems as if there is nothing new in any of this material because this is foundational material of Modern Satanism.

However, in an age where everyone seems be walking around waiting for their next handout or govt program, where no one seems to want to take responsibility for anything to include their own lives, and where far too many people seem comfortable to live as half a man; this material is as relevant as ever!
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#10257 - 07/16/08 05:18 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: Fist]
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The only reason the United States Military has not committed genocide is that the Geneva Convention and the Laws of War prevent us from doing just that. The Islamic people in the Middle East do not follow these guide lines. As someone in the military I find this very frustrating. I am all for “Might is Right” but when there are rules and regulations keeping me from using my full might it would seem that the enemy is mightier then I. If the Islamic people followed the same rules and regulations as we (military) do then they would have fallen a long time ago and we would have been out of the Middle East by now. I am only talking about the current situation over there not all the carp that has happened in the past.
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#10265 - 07/17/08 06:10 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: dagger]
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 Originally Posted By: dagger
The only reason the United States Military has not committed genocide is that the Geneva Convention and the Laws of War prevent us from doing just that.

Really? You really think that is the only reason? Not to go off on a tangent but I would be interested if you would elaborate on this.
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#10267 - 07/17/08 07:43 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: solomon]
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I joined the Army in 1988 and have served in many of our military actions since 1988 - Panama, the first Gulf War, Hati, the Balkans and our current war to name a few. You might say I know something about this subject. However, the prosecution of this war deserves it's own thread.

So, Dagger, are you up for it?
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#10347 - 07/26/08 04:11 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: Fist]
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I get what you are saying, however Atlas Shrugged is a novel and for the most part I found it a a page turning read. I will however admit that I skimmed a few pages here and there when the message became too repetative and took me away from the story. I've always like fiction. And I think that for me Atlas Shrugged was more inspirational to do and acheive more than to cash in my chips.

However, you still haven't answered my original question posed by this thread. Do you have a certain tacit respect for the extremeist or any kind, that lives themselves by the Might is Right principal, even though politically and socially you want to destroy them and kick their arses?

Zeph
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#10351 - 07/26/08 10:59 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I think I certainly should give you an answer, I must say I don't understand your premise.

The fact of the matter is that the Islamic Radicals are not the 'better man' in this fight. The problem of terrorism, as it affects the West, is directly related to the West's own RHP limp wristed approach to fighting these people.

In the particular case of Iraq and Afghanistan, we should have had both operations largely completed in 4 years or so if we dared to use the LHP tactics that served us so well in WWII.

Remember, in WWII we quite intentionally fire bombed Dresden. It was our purpose to burn it to the ground. We quite intentionally nuked Japan - twice! We rounded up every Jap in America and put them in camps. There was no talk of civilian casualties, no talk of 'collateral damage,' no talk of 'human rights.' We won the war quickly and totally. The Axis powers surrendered totally and accepted our occupation. And in the end, the world was better for it. That is how you win a war!

This war is being 'fought' by us with one thumb up our butt and our hand around our dick.

You can have the best most enlightened civilization in history and it is worthless if you can preserve and protect it from being ravaged by the Hun.

Much like Vietnam, we can win every fight on the battlefield and lose the larger strategic war simply because the people themselves lack the will to win.

I say 'cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war!'

How to win a war
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#10360 - 07/26/08 07:01 PM Re: Might is Right [Re: Fist]
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Thankyou for you answer. I guess my only premise is to get into your head a little bit more. Also, at the time of originally asking the question I hadn't read Might is Right. You had pointed out a lack of MisR attitude in a post back then (which has pretty much lost it's relevance now, although this subject never will).

I've always been raised fairly left wing, but that didn't actually sit totally right with me, so I continued to question. However having moved around alot when I was younger and suffered rather badly at the hands of bullies, I am still reconciling these things, as at 18, I did an abrubt about turn and worked out that ignoring a bully does not make them go away. Confronting them and kicking their arses is the best way of dealing with them. I guess what it has taken time to reconcile in my head is that Might is Right can work for the underdog as such, and is not just an excuse for bullies and bigots.

As you are the ultimate soldier archtype (I know it's real though) on this site, you seemed to most logical person for me to get some of these questions answered by. So again thank you for answering my question. It has helped me understand myself.

Zeph
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#10504 - 08/06/08 04:30 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Hate for Hate - And Ruth for Ruth,

Eye for Eye - and Tooth for tooth.

Scorn for scorn - And Smile for Smile,

Love for Love - And Guile for guile.

War for War - and Woe for Woe,

Blood for Blood - And Blow for Blow.


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#10508 - 08/06/08 07:06 AM Re: Might is Right [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I'd prefer to be a deadly snake in the grass--that way, once the person has suffered greatly or has died (in a figurative sense), I'll be hard to find and destroy.
(I know it's a quote, but I couldn't help but reply :D)
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