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#42532 - 08/27/10 06:14 AM Satanists burned alive in Kenya?
Morg Offline
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I was recently speaking to a fellow Satanist from Kenya who advised me that earlier this week a group of satanists were rounded up, tortured and burned alive for their beliefs, all i have to go on is that "3 Satanists were burnt alive on a podium in an abandoned church ground in Kenya", 2 of which were close friends of the person i spoke to.

Now, as much as i would like to believe this, i am unable to locate any media coverage either local or international which fits the story i was told, i am aware of the recent 'witch burnings' but not of a specifically Satanism-related incident, any thoughts?
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#42533 - 08/27/10 06:21 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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I have a thought: Don't believe everything you hear.

Also, stay out of Kenya. \:\)
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#42534 - 08/27/10 06:33 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
Morg Offline
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I have a thought: Don't believe everything you hear.

Also, stay out of Kenya. \:\)


Agreed, though i am a curious cat ;\)
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#42535 - 08/27/10 07:23 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Media coverage in Africa is scarce.

Just recently, a mass rape of approximately 200 women in the DRC went unnoticed by nearby the UN. It went on for 4 days, just a couple miles from the UN base in the area.

Children are being murdered and maimed due to accusations of "witchery", primarily in Nigeria (what a surprise). A Christian pastor pronounes some little kid to be a witch, and torture ensues. Acid poured down their throats, mutilation, all kinds of horrible acts. If the kids don't end up dying right then and there, they are exiled and usually die from starvation, disease or infection from their wounds.

So it wouldn't surprise me one iota to hear of people being burned as Satanists on that miserable continent.
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#42536 - 08/27/10 09:07 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Nemesis]
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I (of course) don't believe everything I hear.
What I do believe is that the above is true as it has been reported frequently by Amnesty International and the Red Cross. British television also recently showed a documentary about children in Nigeria being persecuted as "witches", tortured and killed. I've known about this for some time so, yes the conflation of witch/magician/Satanist,etc in African culture and its inevitable (no doubt Christian-facilitated)results come as no surprise to me.
I've taught a number of displaced people from African countries and the amount of sheer ignorance and cruelty in some of them is breathtaking. The countries, not the students. ;\)
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#42539 - 08/27/10 10:50 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: felixgarnet]
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I read this article not too long ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8119201.stm

The story details the burning of some 'witches' who were burned with no real evidence to mention. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch for the same backwards people to burn someone they thought was a Satanist.

Sounds like a forsaken place.

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#42540 - 08/27/10 11:13 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Once again, another reason to add up with the claim the West is vastly more superior then the African culture.
My take would be withdrawing the UN troops and leave the whole continent all alone together. (Too bad for the resources on which we are dependand...). These people, IMO, still need to evolve away from the tribal culture as we had, but a few thousand years or so ago.

I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck about the situation. And I even wonder why some would like to see it as a mind-blowing important topic.


Edited by Dimitri (08/27/10 11:15 AM)
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#42545 - 08/27/10 12:21 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dimitri]
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The latest news is the incidents took place in (specifically) Nairobi and in the past 48 hours another 6 people have been dispatched in a similar way, my opinion of intolerance has always been somewhat paradoxical as i am intolerant of intolerance.
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#42562 - 08/27/10 07:28 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Dimitri

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Once again, another reason to add up with the claim the West is vastly more superior then the African culture.


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I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck about the situation. And I even wonder why some would like to see it as a mind-blowing important topic.


I have a question or two.
Why would you differentiate between the West and Africa to such extremes?
Surely we are all either the same species of animal living on a rock, or we are all individuals to be judged/ignored as such, no?
I am simply curious as to why one might affiliate oneself with, say, western culture over eastern, northern hemiphere over southern, etc. Does your country come before your continent? Maybe I should have started a new thread on this...maybe I will.
I'd like to hear your take on it in any case.
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#42564 - 08/27/10 07:54 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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If you are part of a culture that burns/tortures/kills children for being witches.
If you are part of a culture that believes fucking little children and girls will cure you of AIDS.
If you are part of a culture that thinks its fine to rape babies.
If you are part of a culture that thinks eating albino people will grant you magic abilities...

Then yes, your culture is retarded, your people are stupid, and there is a huge extreme as the ability of such individuals to think in common sense terms.

So in those regards Africa is a shit hole, and the West is better.

M
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#42566 - 08/27/10 08:08 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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That may be. But it's a gross generalization to attribute those actions to everybody in Africa. Many people there are not so different, even in terms of their beliefs.
And every one of the above actions has been committed in the West, in various forms, and will continue to be, over and over and over again. I'm glad I was born in the west. I think I am offered a better quality of life that most Africans. I would also hesitate to tar everone who lives there with the same brush.

That said, I was not actually disagreeing with Dimitri. I was curious as to where he, or you Morgan, or anybody would draw the line, from an objective point of view, on where in the world they would associate themselves with. Or if not a place, is it a race? Or species, or genus? I wonder where exactly it might stop. Do we think of ourelves as westerners (for those in the west, obviously) or from a certain nation, or humans, mammals, earthlings, Virgos, conservatives, whatever.

There's a question in there somewhere..


Edited by Dedalus (08/27/10 08:10 PM)
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#42569 - 08/27/10 08:38 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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When you figure out your question get back to me.
I am a Satanist.
I am an America.
The rest of it depends on my mood.

As I said previously, it was in regards to cultural practices. Not the acts of individual priests or western people. In that respect Africa is a backwards shit hole.

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#42571 - 08/27/10 08:58 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Well you've half answered it (thank you), without the why (and I think the "why Satanism" question has at least one active thread and has probably been asked time and time again over the years. If I want an answer to that one I can do my homework and check the old threads.)

I can't argue in favour of Africa's cultural practices, nor would I want to, I agree wholeheartedly there. Fucked up in many, many countries. Maybe all of them.
The whole "africa is such a shithole" thing has always bugged me though, for whatever reason. It is, yes, a large and festering hole of shit in many regards, but it feels very dismissive to write a huge continent off just like that. People are pretty much the same wherever you look, and the conditions in Africa plus some oppurtunistic gentlemen with a hint of charisma/mental instability have made the mess that it is. That seems to be a winning formula world-wide.

On a less serious note, I've never been, but I still (desperately) cling to the fact that they have some of the best music I've ever heard, which goes a long way in my book, and is perhaps why I feel obliged to play the devils advocate from time to time.
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#42574 - 08/27/10 09:21 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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"but it feels very dismissive to write a huge continent off just like that."

If it makes you feel any better, I write off a bunch of the Arabic world too. Fuck their cultural practices that keep women on the same level as cattle. Should we map out Africa country by country and see which ones don't suck? Would that be better for you?

So, are you blaming England, France, and the other past imperialistic nations that colonized Africa for the current situation? A lot of the place went to shit after control was handed back over to the native populace who promptly screwed the pooch. Don't forget about them killing the white south african farmers for being white, then crying when there was no food grown. Some people are not ready for current standards of civilization.

Who has the best music? African drummers?
I think you need to expand your musical taste more.
Hell, I think Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Swan Song has better stuff on it.

M
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#42576 - 08/27/10 09:41 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Then again, I've met arabic men, and one woman, who were fine human beings, by western standards. I see what your driving at Morgan, and I didn't intend any of my comments to be inflammatory. But I judge people on their character, not their homeland, and people are of course more important to me than the culture they are surrounded by. With that in mind, there's a whole lot of people in those places you've written off that I'm sure I'd get along with just fine, so you can perhaps see why I won't look at couple of counries on a map and think "ugh, fuck that whole place".
Or perhaps not.

And though you'll find that there's more than one type of instrument, and musical genre, in Africa, (and I was referring to African music in it's entirety), I'm actually pretty into African drumming, and my taste in music hasn't suffered, nor have i been tempted to turn on a radio. Maybe give it a try some time, it's...awesome. Quite literally.
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