#42539 - 08/27/10 10:50 AM
Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya?
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AbrahamOgden
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I read this article not too long ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8119201.stm
The story details the burning of some 'witches' who were burned with no real evidence to mention. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch for the same backwards people to burn someone they thought was a Satanist.
Sounds like a forsaken place.
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#42562 - 08/27/10 07:28 PM
Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya?
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Dedalus
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Dimitri
Once again, another reason to add up with the claim the West is vastly more superior then the African culture.
I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck about the situation. And I even wonder why some would like to see it as a mind-blowing important topic.
I have a question or two.
Why would you differentiate between the West and Africa to such extremes?
Surely we are all either the same species of animal living on a rock, or we are all individuals to be judged/ignored as such, no?
I am simply curious as to why one might affiliate oneself with, say, western culture over eastern, northern hemiphere over southern, etc. Does your country come before your continent? Maybe I should have started a new thread on this...maybe I will.
I'd like to hear your take on it in any case.
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#42566 - 08/27/10 08:08 PM
Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya?
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Dedalus
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That may be. But it's a gross generalization to attribute those actions to everybody in Africa. Many people there are not so different, even in terms of their beliefs.
And every one of the above actions has been committed in the West, in various forms, and will continue to be, over and over and over again. I'm glad I was born in the west. I think I am offered a better quality of life that most Africans. I would also hesitate to tar everone who lives there with the same brush.
That said, I was not actually disagreeing with Dimitri. I was curious as to where he, or you Morgan, or anybody would draw the line, from an objective point of view, on where in the world they would associate themselves with. Or if not a place, is it a race? Or species, or genus? I wonder where exactly it might stop. Do we think of ourelves as westerners (for those in the west, obviously) or from a certain nation, or humans, mammals, earthlings, Virgos, conservatives, whatever.
There's a question in there somewhere..
Edited by Dedalus (08/27/10 08:10 PM)
Edit Reason: typo(s)
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#42571 - 08/27/10 08:58 PM
Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya?
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Dedalus
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Well you've half answered it (thank you), without the why (and I think the "why Satanism" question has at least one active thread and has probably been asked time and time again over the years. If I want an answer to that one I can do my homework and check the old threads.)
I can't argue in favour of Africa's cultural practices, nor would I want to, I agree wholeheartedly there. Fucked up in many, many countries. Maybe all of them.
The whole "africa is such a shithole" thing has always bugged me though, for whatever reason. It is, yes, a large and festering hole of shit in many regards, but it feels very dismissive to write a huge continent off just like that. People are pretty much the same wherever you look, and the conditions in Africa plus some oppurtunistic gentlemen with a hint of charisma/mental instability have made the mess that it is. That seems to be a winning formula world-wide.
On a less serious note, I've never been, but I still (desperately) cling to the fact that they have some of the best music I've ever heard, which goes a long way in my book, and is perhaps why I feel obliged to play the devils advocate from time to time.
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#42576 - 08/27/10 09:41 PM
Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya?
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Dedalus
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Then again, I've met arabic men, and one woman, who were fine human beings, by western standards. I see what your driving at Morgan, and I didn't intend any of my comments to be inflammatory. But I judge people on their character, not their homeland, and people are of course more important to me than the culture they are surrounded by. With that in mind, there's a whole lot of people in those places you've written off that I'm sure I'd get along with just fine, so you can perhaps see why I won't look at couple of counries on a map and think "ugh, fuck that whole place".
Or perhaps not.
And though you'll find that there's more than one type of instrument, and musical genre, in Africa, (and I was referring to African music in it's entirety), I'm actually pretty into African drumming, and my taste in music hasn't suffered, nor have i been tempted to turn on a radio. Maybe give it a try some time, it's...awesome. Quite literally.
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