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#42532 - 08/27/10 06:14 AM Satanists burned alive in Kenya?
Morg Offline
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I was recently speaking to a fellow Satanist from Kenya who advised me that earlier this week a group of satanists were rounded up, tortured and burned alive for their beliefs, all i have to go on is that "3 Satanists were burnt alive on a podium in an abandoned church ground in Kenya", 2 of which were close friends of the person i spoke to.

Now, as much as i would like to believe this, i am unable to locate any media coverage either local or international which fits the story i was told, i am aware of the recent 'witch burnings' but not of a specifically Satanism-related incident, any thoughts?
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#42533 - 08/27/10 06:21 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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I have a thought: Don't believe everything you hear.

Also, stay out of Kenya. \:\)
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#42534 - 08/27/10 06:33 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I have a thought: Don't believe everything you hear.

Also, stay out of Kenya. \:\)


Agreed, though i am a curious cat ;\)
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#42535 - 08/27/10 07:23 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Media coverage in Africa is scarce.

Just recently, a mass rape of approximately 200 women in the DRC went unnoticed by nearby the UN. It went on for 4 days, just a couple miles from the UN base in the area.

Children are being murdered and maimed due to accusations of "witchery", primarily in Nigeria (what a surprise). A Christian pastor pronounes some little kid to be a witch, and torture ensues. Acid poured down their throats, mutilation, all kinds of horrible acts. If the kids don't end up dying right then and there, they are exiled and usually die from starvation, disease or infection from their wounds.

So it wouldn't surprise me one iota to hear of people being burned as Satanists on that miserable continent.
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#42536 - 08/27/10 09:07 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Nemesis]
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I (of course) don't believe everything I hear.
What I do believe is that the above is true as it has been reported frequently by Amnesty International and the Red Cross. British television also recently showed a documentary about children in Nigeria being persecuted as "witches", tortured and killed. I've known about this for some time so, yes the conflation of witch/magician/Satanist,etc in African culture and its inevitable (no doubt Christian-facilitated)results come as no surprise to me.
I've taught a number of displaced people from African countries and the amount of sheer ignorance and cruelty in some of them is breathtaking. The countries, not the students. ;\)
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#42539 - 08/27/10 10:50 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: felixgarnet]
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I read this article not too long ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8119201.stm

The story details the burning of some 'witches' who were burned with no real evidence to mention. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch for the same backwards people to burn someone they thought was a Satanist.

Sounds like a forsaken place.

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#42540 - 08/27/10 11:13 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Once again, another reason to add up with the claim the West is vastly more superior then the African culture.
My take would be withdrawing the UN troops and leave the whole continent all alone together. (Too bad for the resources on which we are dependand...). These people, IMO, still need to evolve away from the tribal culture as we had, but a few thousand years or so ago.

I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck about the situation. And I even wonder why some would like to see it as a mind-blowing important topic.


Edited by Dimitri (08/27/10 11:15 AM)
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#42545 - 08/27/10 12:21 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dimitri]
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The latest news is the incidents took place in (specifically) Nairobi and in the past 48 hours another 6 people have been dispatched in a similar way, my opinion of intolerance has always been somewhat paradoxical as i am intolerant of intolerance.
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#42562 - 08/27/10 07:28 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Dimitri

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Once again, another reason to add up with the claim the West is vastly more superior then the African culture.


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I honestly couldn't give a flying fuck about the situation. And I even wonder why some would like to see it as a mind-blowing important topic.


I have a question or two.
Why would you differentiate between the West and Africa to such extremes?
Surely we are all either the same species of animal living on a rock, or we are all individuals to be judged/ignored as such, no?
I am simply curious as to why one might affiliate oneself with, say, western culture over eastern, northern hemiphere over southern, etc. Does your country come before your continent? Maybe I should have started a new thread on this...maybe I will.
I'd like to hear your take on it in any case.
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#42564 - 08/27/10 07:54 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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If you are part of a culture that burns/tortures/kills children for being witches.
If you are part of a culture that believes fucking little children and girls will cure you of AIDS.
If you are part of a culture that thinks its fine to rape babies.
If you are part of a culture that thinks eating albino people will grant you magic abilities...

Then yes, your culture is retarded, your people are stupid, and there is a huge extreme as the ability of such individuals to think in common sense terms.

So in those regards Africa is a shit hole, and the West is better.

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#42566 - 08/27/10 08:08 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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That may be. But it's a gross generalization to attribute those actions to everybody in Africa. Many people there are not so different, even in terms of their beliefs.
And every one of the above actions has been committed in the West, in various forms, and will continue to be, over and over and over again. I'm glad I was born in the west. I think I am offered a better quality of life that most Africans. I would also hesitate to tar everone who lives there with the same brush.

That said, I was not actually disagreeing with Dimitri. I was curious as to where he, or you Morgan, or anybody would draw the line, from an objective point of view, on where in the world they would associate themselves with. Or if not a place, is it a race? Or species, or genus? I wonder where exactly it might stop. Do we think of ourelves as westerners (for those in the west, obviously) or from a certain nation, or humans, mammals, earthlings, Virgos, conservatives, whatever.

There's a question in there somewhere..


Edited by Dedalus (08/27/10 08:10 PM)
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#42569 - 08/27/10 08:38 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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When you figure out your question get back to me.
I am a Satanist.
I am an America.
The rest of it depends on my mood.

As I said previously, it was in regards to cultural practices. Not the acts of individual priests or western people. In that respect Africa is a backwards shit hole.

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#42571 - 08/27/10 08:58 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Well you've half answered it (thank you), without the why (and I think the "why Satanism" question has at least one active thread and has probably been asked time and time again over the years. If I want an answer to that one I can do my homework and check the old threads.)

I can't argue in favour of Africa's cultural practices, nor would I want to, I agree wholeheartedly there. Fucked up in many, many countries. Maybe all of them.
The whole "africa is such a shithole" thing has always bugged me though, for whatever reason. It is, yes, a large and festering hole of shit in many regards, but it feels very dismissive to write a huge continent off just like that. People are pretty much the same wherever you look, and the conditions in Africa plus some oppurtunistic gentlemen with a hint of charisma/mental instability have made the mess that it is. That seems to be a winning formula world-wide.

On a less serious note, I've never been, but I still (desperately) cling to the fact that they have some of the best music I've ever heard, which goes a long way in my book, and is perhaps why I feel obliged to play the devils advocate from time to time.
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#42574 - 08/27/10 09:21 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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"but it feels very dismissive to write a huge continent off just like that."

If it makes you feel any better, I write off a bunch of the Arabic world too. Fuck their cultural practices that keep women on the same level as cattle. Should we map out Africa country by country and see which ones don't suck? Would that be better for you?

So, are you blaming England, France, and the other past imperialistic nations that colonized Africa for the current situation? A lot of the place went to shit after control was handed back over to the native populace who promptly screwed the pooch. Don't forget about them killing the white south african farmers for being white, then crying when there was no food grown. Some people are not ready for current standards of civilization.

Who has the best music? African drummers?
I think you need to expand your musical taste more.
Hell, I think Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Swan Song has better stuff on it.

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#42576 - 08/27/10 09:41 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Then again, I've met arabic men, and one woman, who were fine human beings, by western standards. I see what your driving at Morgan, and I didn't intend any of my comments to be inflammatory. But I judge people on their character, not their homeland, and people are of course more important to me than the culture they are surrounded by. With that in mind, there's a whole lot of people in those places you've written off that I'm sure I'd get along with just fine, so you can perhaps see why I won't look at couple of counries on a map and think "ugh, fuck that whole place".
Or perhaps not.

And though you'll find that there's more than one type of instrument, and musical genre, in Africa, (and I was referring to African music in it's entirety), I'm actually pretty into African drumming, and my taste in music hasn't suffered, nor have i been tempted to turn on a radio. Maybe give it a try some time, it's...awesome. Quite literally.
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#42577 - 08/27/10 09:46 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Sorry, I didnt actually respond to some of that post


I'm not blaming anyone.
But if I had to..

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So, are you blaming England, France, and the other past imperialistic nations that colonized Africa for the current situation?


Yes.
Good place to start, if you're into blaming.
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#42578 - 08/27/10 10:07 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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"With that in mind, there's a whole lot of people in those places you've written off that I'm sure I'd get along with just fine,"

Why? What makes you think that? Do you think you are just a special Irish dude, that they won't burn or kill for being white/catholic/satanist/red-headed because you think think lots of them are just fine?

I think that you are kinda young and naive, but that is due to your schooling/education.

You have to understand that people are accountable for their actions. You can't go around blaming the white man for all of Africa's problems. They sold their own people into slavery back in the colonial days, and still continue to do so. They were given back control of their own countries and promptly raided the treasuries, killed people from different tribes, and turned it backwards in to the shit hole it is today. It's their own fault. They got a gun, and became worse than the people they hated and claimed kept them down.

Africa is not and never was a peaceful, happy, tree-hugging sanctuary of all goodness back to the primitive earth where people and animals run free. It is dirty, dangerous, and where peace is the silence at the end of a gun.
It's not the Lion King.

M
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#42580 - 08/27/10 10:41 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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No.. I'm not certain what "special Irish dude" is supposed to mean exactly, or what power it might grant me. I didn't bring up skin colour at all. I might not have made myself clear earlier. You seem to think that I see everybody as fundamentally good inside or something, when I'm arguing something close to the opposite. I just take issue with the idea that the west is somehow ethically superior than everywhere else, whereas it seems to me to be morally bereft in different, "sophisticated" ways.

Not to turn your judgement of me around on you, but the way you seem to view the world does not tie in with my experience of it, regardless of the fact that, as you pointed out, I am quite young (speaking of which, red-headed catholic? how about we agree that Africa is not a magical disney cartoon, and Ireland is not a happy naive leprechaun village) I think there are many people I would like to meet out there because they're people, and those are the odds. Not because they're a bunch of uneducated poor people excited to meet a bonafide rich westerner. I'm not blaming "the white man" for anything. But I doubt that everyone in Africa has a baby on their dick to cure the AIDS that they undoubtedly have.

There might have been a few other things to address there, im not sure. I'm just going to stress instead that I look at us all as animals. Not in a negative/positive way. I'm not sure what teen-stereotype you seem to be trying to pigeon hole me into, (though I'm sure there are a few that might apply), but I don't view everyone as a potential BFF, nor am I trying to describe mankind as some kind of happy family. The way you're describing things is very clear cut, black and white (no pun intended).

Despite my attempt to avoid clichés, we are all the same. Nothing lovey-dovey about it. Any atrocity/act of kindness performed by one culture could be carried out by any other, given the right conditions. Borderlines on a map have nothing to do with it.

I stand by everything that I have said so far. Take away the effects of a persons environment on their life and theres as much a chance that you'll respect them, like them, or the opposite, as you would a nice, white American.
And if my heart starts bleeding, I'll be sure to call a doctor.


Edited by Dedalus (08/27/10 10:43 PM)
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#42581 - 08/27/10 10:51 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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I just take issue with the idea that the west is somehow ethically superior than everywhere else, whereas it seems to me to be morally bereft in different, "sophisticated" ways.


Western culture is certainly not the epitome of perfection; it has its' flaws, but, dammit it is the best we have got so far. Many examples of the barbarity of cultures in Africa and the Middle East and you can rest assured that those are merely the tip of the iceberg.

You can chalk it up to ethnocentrism, or intolerance if you want but the way I see it is that people in the West, for the most part, are more superior in certain aspects. That is why I am glad I live "here" and not "there". But if you think they are more superior then by all means, feel free to move there. Yeah, I know, it is cliche but that doesn't mean isn't valid.
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#42582 - 08/27/10 10:58 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Agreed. As I stated earlier, I count myself lucky to have been born here, and the west has certainly progressed the farthest in terms of human rights, quality of life, etc.

Just trying to even the odds and point out certain similarities in the behaviour of people anywhere you go. (perhaps ineffectively, it's 4am.. but that was a pretty decent discussion, and I'm told falling asleep in the middle of those is rude)
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#42587 - 08/28/10 02:41 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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Since you adress it to me..
My views have been already explained in a different topic here .
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Why would you differentiate between the West and Africa to such extremes?

I distantiate myself from Africa, The middle-east etc for cultural reasons. I think and say it is a fallacy to even claim we are all from the same specie to use as an excuse for imagined egality. There are cultural differences (and I mean things such as religion, ideas, differences between the different classes on the social ladder,...) which can be used to measure a cultures well-being and level of civilization. Africa is the continent least developed and most looked down to for the reason of belief in witchcraft, rates of rape being significantly higher then anywhere in the world, unnecessary use of violence about trivial things, etc etc .. Just take a look at this article and ask yourself when it was the last time such a thing happened in the West by such numbers.


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Surely we are all either the same species of animal living on a rock, or we are all individuals to be judged/ignored as such, no?

See above paragraph --> NO
There are factors on which differences can be made so we are not "all of the same specie". In pure and applied Biology, Africans, Muslims, Asians,... can be classified as a different kind of human (after the last general accepted classification of "specie" the use of "subspecies" can be used with things such as skin color and other slightly different extremities).

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I am simply curious as to why one might affiliate oneself with, say, western culture over eastern, northern hemiphere over southern, etc. Does your country come before your continent?

Notice I used the word "culture" and not country.

And yes, there might be a few thousand exceptions, but how would that weigh up against a few million?


Edited by Dimitri (08/28/10 02:49 AM)
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#42589 - 08/28/10 08:42 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dimitri]
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Africa is a shithole.

The best thing that ever happened to Africa was the white Bwana controlling it. The worst that happened was the Bwana becoming ethical (soft) and leaving them again. Sure we did commit atrocities back there and then. Plenty. But that's what we are (were). Due to our headstart at several levels, we were the perfect colonizers. We were the fittest and started to conquer our environment. Africa was just another piece of land asking to be dominated. We just fulfilled that request.

Of course Africa wasn't a peace and love continent before and we didn't teach them anything they didn't already know; rape, murder, mutilation, slavery etc, it was all already present. All we did teach them was how to elevate that all to a superb level. And while doing so and comfortably exploiting what was valuable to us, we did bring them the advantages of Western development too. We did improve the life of many. Of course at a cost. Sure one can argue if a bushman wasn't perfectly happy before, but it is the superior that defines what an improvement is and what not. The weak aren't asked for their opinion. Expect the same to happen if one day some alien ship lands here. They will set the new rules and we'll suffer and benefit along.

We did install a level of technology in Africa and although we ourselves did benefit mostly of it, we did bring the technology there and made it available to them. When we left Africa, it was still there. Although some period of inconvenience was to be expected after our departure, the rapid slide into a pseudo-stone age period wasn't something most had foreseen. It could be expected that Africans had brains too and if willing, could either hire others to help them get on their feet, or figure it out themselves and rapidly progress into the modern age. It is not as if there aren't any valuables for the international market. But apparently many suffer from an inferior mindset; culturally defined or not. Long term planning and vision isn't something many of them suffer.

And as such, it will remain a shithole for a long, long time.

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#42592 - 08/28/10 02:35 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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 Originally Posted By: Dedalus
But I doubt that everyone in Africa has a baby on their dick to cure the AIDS that they undoubtedly have.


Nobody said "everyone in Africa" did, but the odds of finding a baby on the dick of an AIDS patient are a lot higher in Africa than America.

 Originally Posted By: Dedalus
Any atrocity/act of kindness performed by one culture could be carried out by any other, given the right conditions. Borderlines on a map have nothing to do with it.


Not really. Cultures have values, and those values are going to effect whether or not that culture would partake in certain actions. Cultures that value individual rights, like the West, are going to be horrified at the idea of a mother force-feeding her daughter or mutilating her genitals because their culture affirms that a child has rights. Cultures that value the preservation of tradition and duty to family over individual rights wouldn't blink at the idea of such child abuse. Yes, a woman in the US could potentially abuse her child, but it wouldn't be tolerated here as it would in Africa. An individual from any country could do both, but one culture is going to foster an environment that perpetuates this practice; the other is not.

 Originally Posted By: Dedalus
I stand by everything that I have said so far. Take away the effects of a persons environment on their life and theres as much a chance that you'll respect them, like them, or the opposite, as you would a nice, white American.


What's being discussed here, if I understand correctly, is very much about the effects of a particular environment. Let's clarify yet again; we are talking about the superiority of a culture. Saying that an individual from Africa could be great if you took away the effects of their environment just confirms that their environment (culture) is the problem. That's the deciding factor.

EDIT: Bill Maher on the matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgPeiv9r-KM


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#42597 - 08/28/10 04:59 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Notice I used the word "culture" and not country."

I noticed, and asked about that in the sentence prior to my question about "country over continent". This was not an attempt
to challenge you to defend your views, but a question asked out of genuine curiousity, perhaps a little off topic at the time.


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Any atrocity/act of kindness performed by one culture could be carried out by any other, given the right conditions.
Borderlines on a map have nothing to do with it.


Not really. Cultures have values, and those values are going to effect whether or not that culture would
partake in certain actions.

"Given the right conditions" was quite important there, though I suppose I should have said people, and not culture, so you're right there.

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Saying that an individual from Africa could be great if you took away the effects of their environment just
confirms that their environment (culture) is the problem. That's the deciding factor.


I agree. Also, good video. When I evaluate anything, and use a term like good or bad or "better", as in the video, that is always an expression of my opinion, and not intended as literal.
I judge values on a personal level and do not consider myself to be in an infallible position where I can stand up and say that a certain set of values are definitely, irrefutably better than any others. Certain actions, like the acts of mindless violence described invoke an emotional response in me, and based on this and a rational evaluation I consider such actions to be wrong. But from my perspective, not universally.

In any case, I am a fan of Bill (I have yet to see religulous, looking forward to it), and in my opinion, particularly given the context of the video (comparing punitive systems, extremists, etc), western values are better. I never said otherwise.


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Sure we did commit atrocities back there and then

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When we left Africa, it was still there


The phrasing here is particularly relevant. I don't have a "we", as it were. I don't tend to think of myself in terms of race or country, and was simply asking how other people, Dimitri originally, might define themselves, basically.
I reiterated this in my second comment. Africa was an example I used because it had already been brought up, and Dimitri's comment is what sparked my train of thought on the subject, not because I was curious as to how Dimitri felt about Africa itself(although I did enjoy reading the hyperlinked thread Dimitri, food for thought. Thanks.)
Africa specificaly didn't really have anything to do with it. The original question mentioned affiliation with northern hemisphere over southern, country over continent, as well as western Culture over eastern. The question(s) asked were not originally intended to be culture specific, though culture quickly became the focus of the conversation.
Having said that, the direction the discussion went in is not regrettable at all. I'm glad that the new topic generated the response that it did. It's interesting to see everone's opinion on the matter, and I appreciate Morgan and Dimitri replying to the direct questions I asked.
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#42613 - 08/29/10 05:31 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
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 Originally Posted By: Dedalus
The phrasing here is particularly relevant. I don't have a "we", as it were. I don't tend to think of myself in terms of race or country, and was simply asking how other people, Dimitri originally, might define themselves, basically.


I know the extensive denial of any "we" in "me" seems to be the mantra in Satanism but I'll be perfectly honest about it; people are just lying to themselves about it. It's a hype that keeps going on and on and on.

Of course every human is an individual but humans think in relations to. We're part of a family, an environment, a culture… etc. Even in Satanism we relate ourselves to a specific type of Satanism or a specific set of ideas.
Fist mentioned somewhere that most humans will never have one original thought and while that might be very true, it at the same time shows that all humans are mostly constructs of others. The majority of what a human thinks is based upon "we", it is a part of, or stands in relation to. What might make them somewhat unique is their very own compilation of we-s, although in many the differences are trivial.

So please let's quit the "there is no we in me" because in everything you stand for or what you think; someone can point out "them". Especially at your age.

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#42616 - 08/29/10 12:33 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Morg]
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Fist mentioned somewhere that most humans will never have one original thought and while that might be very true, it at the same time shows that all humans are mostly constructs of others. The majority of what a human thinks is based upon "we", it is a part of, or stands in relation to.


That's a very good point. I agree.
Of course we are all influenced by everybody else. Calling us all constructs of others is valid, as is Fists opinion on original thought, particularly when applied to literature. Barthes argues something similar in The Death of the Author. But this is all concerning how a person might be influenced by external sources, not their perception and acknowledgement of those forces.

When I said "I don't have a we", I didn't mean "I grew up in a basement and just recently discovered the english language, and this computer."
I'm not a big fan of repeating myself, but now that I'm on a roll -

"I don't think of myself in terms of race or country"

I am, of course, aware that I have a race, and am from a certain country, yes.
That seems obvious. I'm sure you can figure out the gist of this from here. I don't associate myself with the above, neither consciously nor automatically, as far as my awareness of my own thought processes can detect.
No we in me.
And so on.
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#46253 - 01/08/11 07:20 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Dedalus]
anseoasresere Offline
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i went to kenya in 2007 and it was a lovely place. what wasnt lovely were the massive corporations buying the land and forcing the maasai to pay a tribute. i have a picture of the chief of a village counting a stack of $20 bills. its an unfortunate reality that the avarice of the europeans has been imported and also the insecurity concerning controlling the way people think.

this incident was more than likely carried out by a group that had been taught by the christian missionaries.

what i remember most about kenya was the whole country seemed to smell like a bonfire.

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#46352 - 01/09/11 11:43 PM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Media coverage in Africa is scarce.

Just recently, a mass rape of approximately 200 women in the DRC went unnoticed by nearby the UN. It went on for 4 days, just a couple miles from the UN base in the area.

Children are being murdered and maimed due to accusations of "witchery", primarily in Nigeria (what a surprise). A Christian pastor pronounes some little kid to be a witch, and torture ensues. Acid poured down their throats, mutilation, all kinds of horrible acts. If the kids don't end up dying right then and there, they are exiled and usually die from starvation, disease or infection from their wounds.

So it wouldn't surprise me one iota to hear of people being burned as Satanists on that miserable continent.


I saw a special on this a few years ago on...Nightline I think. That was a pretty messed up story, I got mad. A reporter from the states met with the African government or something along those lines and showed them evidence of the "exorcises." But of course then the government turned a blind eye and deaf ear.

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#46368 - 01/10/11 04:04 AM Re: Satanists burned alive in Kenya? [Re: Lamar]
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I'm not surprised rape went "unnoticed" by the UN recently. Only a few weeks ago it voted by quite an alarming majority NOT to oppose the execution of men and boys for the "crime" of being homosexual in a number of its member countries. The "corrective rape" of lesbians is also prevalent in those areas. Fortunately, there was such an outcry that the UN reassembled and voted against its earlier motion but it was a damn close call. With members like this, who needs enemies? It looks like the UN is in danger of becoming a paper tiger when it comes to tackling the nastier global issues.
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