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#42547 - 08/27/10 12:42 PM Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard
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I just read "Might is Right" by Redbeard. Some parts of the book I had to skim as I did not find anything stunningly different inside of it, rather I found much inherent knowledge I already took for granted.

After reading the book I believe Redbeard to have been an American who lived in the Chicago area. I know it is a long shot but from a few of his statements I also believe he may have been involved with the anarchist movement notorious for planting the bombs during rallies of the early Socialist Labor movement.

Redbeard's book certainly is as unusual in its content as Anton LaVey described it. I considered it to be a description of the "second facts of life" as most learn them through education and experience.

Redbeard's beliefs are not uncommon, most adults should understand them. He says it outright in his book in demonstrative form and that makes them shocking. Most people say something similar in a more polite way. By removing the refined speech of the educated, Redbeard explains the facts of life in a shocking and demonstrative narrative.

A few points of my own that Redbeard reminded me of:
1. Jesus is said by Josephesus to be a crucified thief. The Gospel of Thomas also mentions burglary and the apostles. I will bet it cost the Temple vendors a pretty penny to replace the merchandise Jesus destroyed when he protested the selling of animals in the Temple. He likely could not pay the bill.
2. European colonization was a result of poverty, not wealth. Impoverished Europeans were forced overseas as cheap labor, as white slaves, while the wealthy of Europe and elsewhere profited. If white slavery was reinstated the white race would once again be spread around the world as cheap labor and form a new underclass population in nations of color. (It would be interesting to see how fast the white underclass would grow in these nations.)
3. We all know about the money, women, war, and power issues. That is called history and politics by the intelligentsia.
4. Judaism is in many ways, along with Hinduism, one of the few remaining widely-practiced, ancient religions. I agree with Anton LaVey that Hitler did not read this book. It is bizarre how the Pagans adopted a sect of Judaism and then distorted it as part of a revolution against Roman rule, and the decay of the Pagan religion of the time. It may have just been evolution, not revolution. What is next????

I am going to begin a new book that should be interesting and I will write about when finished. It is written by Dee Dee Myers the former White House Press Secretary under Bill Clinton, and is called:

"Why Women Should Rule the World"

It makes a lot of sense, and has the full 5 star rating in all the reviews I have read so far.

This book should be good. Women should have little resistance in establishing permanent rule over time.

The Blessings of Lucifera to all who worship her!!!
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#42550 - 08/27/10 02:37 PM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: creativevalue]
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Ragnar Redbeard isn't the author's real name. It was actually a pseudonym for a man some believe was Arthur Desmond. A politican from New Zealand who eventually emigrated to the U.S.
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#42553 - 08/27/10 03:38 PM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: Knievel74]
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Hi, Not a bad guess, a politician (anarchist) who did live in America (he immigrated to the US).

I am reading the book "Why Women Should Rule the World" by Dee Dee Myers. I borrowed it from the library. It is quite a good book. I even enjoyed the introduction.

E.

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#42720 - 09/01/10 10:35 PM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: creativevalue]
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I had some free time today so I decided to dive into Might is Right. All it has done for me, so far, is make me seriously consider trying to organize some kind of secret eugenics and sterilization program for ďblackĒ people on a global scale.

I also feel like what Iíve read so far could be condensed into 10 or 15 pages. The author seems to enjoy restating the same points over and over and over again.

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#42721 - 09/02/10 12:54 AM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: XBlackXScorpionX]
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Are you always so easily influenced by the opinion(s) of other people?

You just read MiR today and you are already aligning yourself with such an extreme position. I guess there is one born every minute.
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#42722 - 09/02/10 03:04 AM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Are you always so easily influenced by the opinion(s) of other people?

You just read MiR today and you are already aligning yourself with such an extreme position. I guess there is one born every minute.


Relax; I know itís unreasonable to even consider ďfixingĒ a race of people. The few pages of MiR that Iíve read only served as a reminder of ideas Iíve had for many years, ideas which included fixing the broken race that I belong to. I donít consider my solution any more extreme than the problems I had misguided delusions of fixing. Big problem - big solution. The idea is fun to toy with from time to time but unrealistic to implement.

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#42723 - 09/02/10 03:11 AM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: XBlackXScorpionX]
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You have mistaken me. It is one thing to come to such a conclusion after after looking at it for yourself, which it appears you have done, it is an entirely different thing to come to it because of the opinions of another person.

Whether or not such an idea was "reasonable" or not wasn't even on my radar; I already have my opinion on that. I was simply wondering if you were blindly accepting the ideas of another person or if you had come to your own conclusions. It seems that the latter is true.
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#47270 - 01/23/11 06:22 PM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Might Is Right is a work of satire -very exaggerated- that ends with PAX VOBISCUM

which translates from Latin to:

PEACE BE WITH YOU

Redbeard was not an advocate of the world he depicts in his Might Is Right. He was a 'humanist'. A Socialist even. This is a fact. Might Is Right is a very angry misanthropic rant against violence and war. His argument is that war would destroy everything. That revenge although necessary for your self esteem and well being etc.. if on a mass scale would like.. destroy the whole universe.

He was Athur C. Desmond. a SOCIALIST.
No joke.

It's a masterpiece of advocating socialism. Really. But through revealing the diabolical engine of control


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#47316 - 01/24/11 06:58 PM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I'll bite.

A satire you say? How in the world did you come up with that?

I think you need to take a better look at Socialism in the nineteenth century. Australia, where Desmond wrote Might is Right and openly promoted its message of "peace and love" [giggle], was on the brink of revolution. He saw this, and attempted to advantage of the situation.

Ultimately he failed to achieve his "socialist" revolution, but his determination spanned decades and several continents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Desmond

Desmond produced a number of journals throughout his life. A few copies are still publicly available if you know where to look.

The Eagle and the Serpent
The Lion's Paw
Hard Cash
The Standard Bearer

He also spent time creating poetic protest stickers, and plastering them to the walls of banks. One of my faves:

O God of Vengeance grant a man - A man of Iron frame, To lead the regions of the Robbed, Against the Lords of Shame; To marshall [sic] millions marching on, From River, Bush and Town, Who would not quail at Leaden Hail, Nor end by "Backing Down".

Check out Darrell Conder's biography for much more detail.

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#47326 - 01/25/11 01:59 AM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: Harvey]
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 Originally Posted By: Harvey

A satire you say? How in the world did you come up with that?

This would be my guess as to how.

TrollovGrimness, I would suggest if you're going to use wikipedia as the source of your information at least care to note that, in addition to it already being flagged for factual dispute, all it states is that some suspect it was Desmond and a satire. You stating you agree with this belief wouldn't bother me but you state it as if it's fact.

As far as I've seen and heard there is no hard evidence pointing to anyone. If you have some kind of evidence or compelling research that I don't feel free to share it but otherwise I wouldn't go making bold statements you can't back up.

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#47328 - 01/25/11 02:12 AM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: TV is God]
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Research into one of the two possible authors places it as a satire commenting on popular colloquial ideology of Australia at the time it was written. Social darwinism used to be alot more PC then it is today.

Even if it was intended to be a satire though do you have to read something as it was intended by the author ?

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#47331 - 01/25/11 03:19 AM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: thedeadidea]
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As Harvey suggests, it seems wildly improbable that a man would devote a life to satirizing a particular movement or philosophy. Is it such a stretch that the author was in earnest? His actions lend credibility to his words... if you trouble to research the matter you might note a dogged consistency from the early days in NZ with Christ as a Social Reformer, through the various journals, articles, pamphlets, Might is Right and Rival Caesars.

In response to Leo Tolstoy's criticism he wrote an article titled Why do the Ungodly Prosper [The Eagle and the Serpent. Special Issue no.18]:

...How long would a nation of Christs last, for example?... As a further pointed example, take Count Leo Tolsty and mine own self. I am thoroughly ungodly. I do not believe in any one of the precepts of Christianity - whereas Tolstoy believes in them all most literally... Now place Count Tolstoy on an uninhabited island with me. Let his age be 25 and mine be 25. Let him act strictly upon his own precepts, and in 24 hours I guarantee that he would be my slave, or - dead.

Desmond was a great man who unfortunately never met his potential.

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#48765 - 02/12/11 09:19 PM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: Clarence]
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Alrighty then I stand corrected

What do you make of the end of the book?

"PAX VOBISCUM"

?

Normally, exaggerated language used for effect, meant to offend or ruffle feathers, is satirical in nature.

btw please excuse yourself for being condescending. I own the book. I have the Bugbee Edition hardcover autographed and forwarded by Dr. Anton Szandor LaVey right next to me.

I have read the book. And he does call Satan a frightful rascal


Edited by TrollovGrimness (02/12/11 09:21 PM)
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#48774 - 02/13/11 02:32 AM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Perhaps "Pax vobiscum" was a monstrous sarcasm on his part... this was not a peaceful man. Maybe he intended it as a mark of solidarity directed at his peers/conspirators? Who knows? Redbeard is unlikely to rise from his grave for our edification. At any rate, this is all speculative and rather immaterial. Read him however you wish.

I believe his "exaggerated language" was calculated to inspire rather than offend.

MIR is a good starting point, but by no means should it be considered the sum. I've devoted a great deal of time and effort to tracing the career of Mr. Desmond. In doing so, I have collated a comprehnsive body of work that includes many first editions and rare curio. My conclusions align with Darrell Conder regarding his ultimate intentions... I cannot for a second entertain the notion that his exertions amounted to nothing more than farce.

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#48785 - 02/13/11 12:36 PM Re: Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard [Re: Clarence]
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 Originally Posted By: Clarence
Perhaps "Pax vobiscum" was a monstrous sarcasm on his part... this was not a peaceful man.


It might have been a typeset error in later editions and was originally "Pox vobiscum". ;\)

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