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#42677 - 08/31/10 07:43 AM Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual
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The Church of the IV Majesties posted an event to meetup.com announcing a Satanic ritual to be performed at the Civic Center on Oct. 21.

According to the posting, "This is a church for any Satanist (modern or traditional) or anyone who is interested in Satanism. All members of the Left-Hand Path are welcome. Do (sic) to the nature of our religion and the herd's view of it, this site will remain private as to protect our members. For now, this church is for all things LHP. So, welcome witches and warlocks, answer the call of your Darkness."


http://www.koco.com/r/24812792/detail.html

Just by looking at the poll at the bottom of the article, it appears that discrimination against Satanists is alive and well even in these modern times! Of course, I think Oklahoma is running about 30 years behind the rest of the country in terms of "modernity". 52% said that the convention center shouldn't allow Satanists to rent it.

At least some of the comments about the article showed some level-headedness.
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#42680 - 08/31/10 09:28 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Nemesis]
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While I do, of course, support the idea in general of anyone of any religion being able to rent a public venue, I certainly wouldn't align myself with these buffoons.
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#42681 - 08/31/10 09:49 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Fnord]
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I agree. They appear to be a bunch of fools with no taste, their pathetic web design clearly reflects this.

The antagonism displayed against the "convention" amused me. Isn't Islam supposed to be America's new Satanism nowadays?
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#42682 - 08/31/10 09:56 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Nemesis]
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Some of that stuff was pretty funny. Indignant people, and especially indignant christians, are almost always good for a laugh.

The one lady who claimed to be running for public office and then started typing in tongues was the best (see below). I almost want to engage this lunatic and see if I can make her froth from the mouth.

Also, I see the C/S made an official appearance on the discussion via Rev. Strongbone (uvray).


SallyKern:
I feel the spirit upon me. Praise you praise you praise meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho



SallyKern
momwitchypoo you don't seem to be the most informed person out there, so it's sad you're homeschooling a child. Since you posted your filth and the flies lies 257 reprobates have split Satan's house wide open for doing the same thing you teach that lost child. Vote Sally Kern House District 84 - I will save you from Satan!


HAHAHA!
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#42688 - 08/31/10 05:02 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Fnord]
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That is not speaking in tongues that is just simply Jambi talk... "Mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho" Bitch just can't spell...

Poor lost black sheep...

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#42690 - 08/31/10 06:48 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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Jeisesus teisold meise teiso speiseak leisike theisois beiscause I cisan speiseak cisarney. Feisuck Oisaklahoma.
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#42691 - 08/31/10 08:05 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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I enjoyed that! \:D Quite surprised, too to see the live-and-let-live posts of many people. I expected more of the "We will pray for you" and/or "This must not be allowed or the United States will fall into a Great Dark Pit for All Eternity" kind of thing.
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#42692 - 08/31/10 09:58 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: felixgarnet]
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I am interested in seeing the outcome of this event. "Reverend" Hale seems to be presenting the "exorcism" as harmless, and as long as it is seen as some form of entertainment, those against it will probably not be able to stop it. It looks like a good publicity stunt.

Here is their meetup site with more event information,
http://www.meetup.com/Ok-ahoma-Satanist/
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#42701 - 08/31/10 11:59 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Duende]
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That's just too funny.
I could swear I remember the mekka leka hi mekka hiney ho I think comes from the show The Little Rascals.
I tried using google, but damn Bill Cosby I couldn't find anything.
Any of the old timers remember Spanky saying it?

Google was all about Pee Wee playhouse, but I never watched it.

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#42703 - 09/01/10 12:08 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Morgan]
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Damn, Morg. You had me racking my brain and trying to sift through all of the Hal Roach Little Rascals shorts... that sounds oddly pedophilic... and while I can "HEAR" Spanky saying something like that in my head, the context and the subject of the episode eludes me. Might be that it's just something that you can picture a young Spanky saying... I dunno.

Now, the Pee Wee's Playhouse reference... I remember that.
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#42708 - 09/01/10 01:15 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Nemesis]
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I'm certain this is merely a ploy to get attention. They will get attention alright and probably not the kind they seek. Then again I wouldn't be surprised if these people desire negative attention so they can play the victim. Really this whole thing seems like a rather stupid move to me on the part of the organizers and any attendees. What's next, Satanism Pride parades? "Out of the ritual chambers and into the streets!"

I can't understand why they would want to perform a ritual with such a large group of people; presumably most of which do not know each other. If I were ever to perform a ritual it would most certainly be a private thing. And if I were to perform it with other people, it would be a small group of people I know very well.

Some of the comments were rather amusing. Especially the ones wherein their author had visions of all sorts of animal mutilation/sex. Those people are the real "sickos" for even imagining such things. \:D
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#42713 - 09/01/10 02:53 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I can't understand why they would want to perform a ritual with such a large group of people; presumably most of which do not know each other.


According to the "Reverend" he wants the community (made up of mostly Christians) to see that there's nothing to fear about the rituals in Satanism.

After checking out their website I hope the exorcism is a little more organized, lol
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#42715 - 09/01/10 08:44 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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Yeah, well I thought of this lady when I read it. \:\)

I love the section on the meetup site where the 'members speak'. It's obviously the organizers who posted that stuff.

"I thank it has grate protencial,and a good future"
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#42716 - 09/01/10 12:39 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Knievel74]
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 Quote:
According to the "Reverend" he wants the community (made up of mostly Christians) to see that there's nothing to fear about the rituals in Satanism.


That's stupid. I'd prefer that people did fear them.

"Give me $1000.00 or I am going to do a ritual and curse your children to turn gay."
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#42725 - 09/02/10 09:43 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Nemesis]
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Here are a few more links about this group.

http://churchoftheivmajesties.webs.com

http://abcnews.go.com/US/satanist-church...ory?id=11524098

http://newsok.com/satanic-group-sets-event-at-city-venue/article/3490360

http://www.ktul.com/Global/story.asp?S=13070354

http://www.worldnewsheardnow.com/satanists-appeal-for-understanding-of-their-religion/2327/

http://www.meetup.com/Ok-ahoma-Satanist/

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.a...42376&rss_lnk=1

http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2010/...al-service.html

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#42736 - 09/03/10 04:31 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Fnord]
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Sally Kern is a State Representative in Oklahoma. Here are some links regarding information about her. The last one is interesting because she is running against a transgendered opponent.


http://www.okhouse.gov/committees/member.aspx?memberid=87

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Kern

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBmCA4z8Yzc

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/10/sally-kern-antigay-oklaho_n_607487.html


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SallyKern:
I feel the spirit upon me. Praise you praise you praise meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho meka leka hi meka hiene ho, meka leka hi meka johnny ho


SallyKern
momwitchypoo you don't seem to be the most informed person out there, so it's sad you're homeschooling a child. Since you posted your filth and the flies lies 257 reprobates have split Satan's house wide open for doing the same thing you teach that lost child. Vote Sally Kern House District 84 - I will save you from Satan!



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#42739 - 09/03/10 08:13 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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Well, this is none of my business but Kern comes over as a raving lunatic and Novotny doesn't. She's also a transwoman so I'd like her to be elected out of sheer bloody-mindedness. \:D
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#42744 - 09/03/10 10:10 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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I don't think anyone really gives a damn about Sally Kern or the morons behind this "exorcism". What's the point of being a Satanist if you do nothing else but downplay it at every turn? Unless you're in a position to play this sort of thing to your advantage (which these people are NOT), either keep your practices to yourself, or don't even bother calling yourself one.

Christ, even LaVey did his best to retain some integrity when he hosted photo ops for the press. Mostly by mocking everyone's conservative sensibilities (I'm sure Jake has plenty of insight on that ;\) ), but in this day and age, that sort of thing has become the standard. The fact is that it's been done before, and remakes are rarely as good as the original.

This "exorcism" seems to have all the charm and originality of another 'Rocky' sequel.
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#42747 - 09/03/10 10:23 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: felixgarnet]
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 Originally Posted By: felixgarnet
Well, this is none of my business but Kern comes over as a raving lunatic


Alas, such is the general populace that this often works. Ponder the real ramifications of that \:\(

Oh, well, my kids will happily rule over them \:\)

(Isn't "witchypoo" a Halloween pose drawn by Coop ... ?)
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#42906 - 09/09/10 11:27 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Nemesis]
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After one week of publicity I compared the facts from their meet-up and members pages and discovered they had 20 meet-up members listed a week ago. Today that number is 29. Their web page shows they started with 7 members. After a week of publicity they now show 15 members as joining their local group. So their numbers are now double in just a week. I'll be looking forward to seeing what happens during and after the actual public ritual on October 21.
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#42907 - 09/09/10 12:18 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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What's your stake in all of this if I may inquire?

You seem like you're promoting this event?
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#42909 - 09/09/10 01:32 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Fnord]
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Apparently he lives in Oklahoma. Oklahoma City, to be precise.

Myrddin--do you think the way this group is downplaying Satanism in the face of an angry Christian populace will do anything to advance yourself or Satanism in general? Or are you just tagging along with this group for the hell of it?
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#43056 - 09/16/10 05:33 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Nemesis]
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Church of the IV Majesties founder is discovered to be a convicted child molester. The public show is to go on anyway on October 21.

http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13167040

Good luck!
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#43057 - 09/16/10 05:45 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
Church of the IV Majesties founder is discovered to be a convicted child molester. The public show is to go on anyway on October 21.

http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13167040

Good luck!




Thanks for posting that, it was hilarious. The picture of the "Dark Overlord" beside his "alter ego" is priceless. I particularly liked the reader response that he looks better with his mask on. I guess it can only continue to go downhill for the event from here.
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#43058 - 09/16/10 06:41 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Duende]
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You know, I never imagined a Dark Overlord would look like that. More of an OverLOAD, if you ask me. \:D
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#43060 - 09/16/10 07:00 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: felixgarnet]
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Oh wait, you must click on the slide show to see the Dark Overlord's sinister tattoos! \:D
He even has an image of Anton LaVey tattooed on his arm!
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#43064 - 09/16/10 08:51 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Duende]
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HAHAHAHA! This stuff is priceless. I love his reply to the interviewer about what the proposed event might involve: "There'll be a lot of hollerin', like you get in the movies." Oh, the training and dedication that must involve! Sign me up . . . ;\)
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#43077 - 09/17/10 03:07 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
Church of the IV Majesties founder is discovered to be a convicted child molester. The public show is to go on anyway on October 21.

http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=13167040

Good luck!


Now THIS is the guy you want to follow down the dark path

What's the line John Leguizamo had in Spawn? "Why does GOD get all the good ones and we get all the retards?"
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#43178 - 09/24/10 07:48 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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Baptist church plans to have a prayer protest outside the Civic Center. Satanic Exorcism event is to go on anyway.

Search SATANIC RITUAL at http://www.koco.com/ for the news videos.

Recent News Stories:

http://www.koco.com/news/25151551/detail.html

http://www.koco.com/video/25147720/detail.html

The news reporter says police are to be on hand to maintain crowd control.

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The Church of the IV Majesties has changed its name to The Church of the IV Crown Princes

http://newsok.com/satanic-group-re-forms...article/3495808



Edited by Myrddin Derwydd (09/24/10 07:59 PM)
Edit Reason: news update!
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#43180 - 09/25/10 01:59 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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I actually don't mind the public presence. It comes at an interesting time, and I don't think it's insignificant that it is being protested at the same time the NYC mosque has been protested. I kind of feel like, if Satanism is a religion of the earth, that also means it has to be a self-organized historical force in real-life politics. Which means being public. The private experience should be matched with a public expression.

But -- yeah, agreed, too bad it's being done by poor representatives for a reason that is not even clear.
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#43188 - 09/25/10 11:09 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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The plot thickens:

Steve Kern, senior pastor of Olivet Baptist Church and Sidney Rollerson of City of Refuge Church of God in Christ are taking charge of what Kern describes as "warfare" regarding the event. It turns out that Steve Kern is husband to Sally Kern a State Representative. Sally Kern, quoted here also leads an extreme right wing political discussion at the H&H gun range every Friday afternoon.

An observation here is that there seems to be a strong tie between the private sector and a representative of the State Government. [Conflict of interest?] If the Church of the IV Crown Princes has the right to this event, is legally organized as a not for profit church, and desires to assemble what right does the other two church groups have to interfere? Perhaps they should be labeled as bigots, hate mongers or worse. I do hope the protesters will be capable of controlling their group.

http://newsok.com/satanic-group-re-forms...article/3495808
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#43242 - 09/27/10 02:35 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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Don't you think you have done enough promotion on this site for your stupid little publicized ritual?

Of course there are going to be lots of people that are against this; this country is perceived by many to be a Christian one and the state in question lies in what is (un)affectionately called "the Bible-belt".

Should the ritual be allowed to happen? Legally, yes and legally people have the right to protest it. Rather than getting your panties in a bunch and labeling your detractors 'bigots' or 'hate mongers' you should just shrug it off. After all, only a fool would think such an event could go off without scrutiny.
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#43246 - 09/27/10 03:12 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I agree.

It's been past the point of Satanic for quite some time now.

There's certainly nothing to gain by the participants in showing up and being identified with a bunch of clowns (who I would argue are even Satanists at all). By all appearances, these are just the kind of folks that LaVey spoke of being embarrassed by and quite frankly I would also be embarrassed by associating myself with anyone who would choose to call themselves "Dark Overlord..." anything.

This is not a legitimate working. The very basics of 'occult' are misunderstood by these retards and this is clearly evidenced by their continued actions.

They are doing nothing but poking a stick into a beehive and standing around waiting to be stung. By making their stupidity a spectacle they are also marking other publicly identified Satanists.

This is why I'm underground. There is no shortage of idiots who think they can legitimately claim the devil's name.
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#43506 - 10/07/10 11:50 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Fnord]
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For the record, I recently ended up on the phone with one of these folk. Possibly the "Dark Overlord" himself; I didn't ask the name, just called the number on the site. I was seeing if I could get a rubber-stamp ordination as clergy so I could legally perform weddings since my friends want one soon; he said they only ordain people they know (understandable) and referred me to the infamous Universal Life Church. The person on the other end of the phone seemed rational enough.
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#43509 - 10/08/10 06:42 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Sinthesis]
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Ordinations don't count for anything unless you get registered in the county in which you plan to perform these weddings. It only cost me $5 to register...not that I have done anything with it.

Also; was that really worth posting? Please add value before adding fat.
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#43578 - 10/12/10 11:54 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Haha, this is all kids of silly.

Since I live in Tulsa, I might have to go down to OKC for this goofiness. Though I think it will be more fun to don my crucifix and mingle with the overly excited christian folk than to don my sigil and play satanist.

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#43741 - 10/22/10 10:37 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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About 45 people attended the Satanic Exorcism according to the newspaper. All the local TV stations were present. Here are a few links to check it out.

Newspaper Article

Local ABC Affiliate

Local FOX Affiliate

DISCLOSURE:
Just to clear a few things up, I have not contacted this group, am not a member of the Church of the IV Crown Princes, and don't know anyone that is. I obtained all the previous information about them from this Diabolical Web Site.
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#43760 - 10/22/10 09:06 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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Why is it then only you seem to care? Something about this must resonate in you.

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#43811 - 10/25/10 11:47 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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Actually I do find this interesting. A small group of people in central Oklahoma discover one another, then formally organize a Satanic religion, kick out a discovered sex offender then reorganize under a new name then hold a public ritual while a counter group files with the city to protest outside the Civic Center while the event is going on inside the Center.

Is this the next trend in LHP and Satanic religions? I'm not sure how many actual formalized groups exist. Do you know of others that have filed for tax-exempt status? I'm not saying all that they have done I agree with but I do find their activities interesting.

It turns out that one of the participants was arrested for heckling the Christian protesters. The suspect is 19 years old according to the Police Blotter dated October 22. This person also has the same first name as one of the people mentioned elsewhere regarding this group but I can't confirm if it's the same person at this time and I'm not offering his name in this forum. The Police indicate this person was asked to cease the behavior but did not so an arrest occurred.

There is a lot to be said for being a behind the scenes occultist but there may also be value in being more above board so I look forward to seeing what happens to this group. What do you think regarding being associated with a formalized Satanic group? Good idea or not, why?
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#43812 - 10/25/10 11:56 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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1. They should have done more than kicked out the sex offender.

2. No church should ever be tax exempt.

3. Christians should be heckled.

4. Being a part of a "formalized Satanic group" might have some benefits. However, what this particular group is doing seems like nothing more than attention seeking. Not that it really bothers me because I do not have to take part in it but it is certainly not something I would do.
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#44047 - 11/08/10 04:02 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
Actually I do find this interesting. A small group of people in central Oklahoma discover one another, then formally organize a Satanic religion, kick out a discovered sex offender then reorganize under a new name then hold a public ritual while a counter group files with the city to protest outside the Civic Center while the event is going on inside the Center.

Wow not that I’m an English major but run on sentence much? ;\) Let’s take this bit-by-bit, people meet decide they are equals and their views and goals are similar and form a satanic group in Oklahoma. I’m betting this happens quite a bit actually. They discover a sex offender in their midst and kick him out. I suspect they did this to not tarnish their name (or that of Satan) yet they then go on to change their groups name… Was it because of this?

They then decide to exercise their right to rent a major civic center in the name of Satan and a Christian group legally filed to protest with the town. Either they are stupid and couldn’t see that coming or this was clearly their agenda. Hopefully their goal was more than just to rile the Christians. That is so Satanism 101 and very childish.

What exactly about any of this interests you again?

 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
Is this the next trend in LHP and Satanic religions? I'm not sure how many actual formalized groups exist. Do you know of others that have filed for tax-exempt status? I'm not saying all that they have done I agree with but I do find their activities interesting.

I have heard one other Satanic organization claim tax-exempt status. My question is why would the elite worry about paying tax, isn’t that what my accountant is for? Tax-exempt status is so much like welfare for those who do not truly need it.

 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
It turns out that one of the participants was arrested for heckling the Christian protesters. The suspect is 19 years old according to the Police Blotter dated October 22. This person also has the same first name as one of the people mentioned elsewhere regarding this group but I can't confirm if it's the same person at this time and I'm not offering his name in this forum. The Police indicate this person was asked to cease the behavior but did not so an arrest occurred.


So you are not offering his name here in fear of disclosing him to Satanists or those that oppose, yet you post a link to his arrest? You insult my intelligence.

The only 19 yr old arrested on that blotter was booked for assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. Serves him right I suppose. I guess the video would show, what no video is this 1970? Was this planned and well thought out or simply done for shock value?

There is a right way and a wrong way to deal with protesters, remember they have rules to follow as well. Satanists should be smart enough to control their emotions and also learn these rules. Short lived is the man who stumbles blindly into a dark cave with no light and no plan.

Without knowing any of them this whole thing screams poser to me. I suspect there is one Satanist and quite a few dregs willing to follow as long as they are accepted.

 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
There is a lot to be said for being a behind the scenes occultist but there may also be value in being more above board so I look forward to seeing what happens to this group.

I wouldn’t hold my breath expecting much but more “look at us” spectacles. Remember by its very definition, once something is understood it is no longer occult.

The more you try to explain yourself to the lessers and nons, the smaller you become.

 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
What do you think regarding being associated with a formalized Satanic group? Good idea or not, why?

A group formalized or not would have to share a common goal to even interest my joining. There would also have to be a definitive benefit for my membership.

I would also have to be the leader that’s just how it is, as I don’t follow very well.

Enjoy \:\)

~T~

Pssttt this forum is probably considered a formalized group by some and they already more than likely know who you are.

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#44048 - 11/08/10 04:19 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Most Satanists are such a hypocritical bunch. Claiming accepting responsibility for doing the things you want to do in this life then condemning those who are caught due to their wants or branded with their crime. Mostly to not look bad or evil to the general public or simply for the greater good, all while flying the Satanic banner.

Sex offender is such a blanket term these days. From a man talking on the Internet with a fat doughnut-eating cop sweating at his desk pretending to be an underage girl to those like Brian Peppers.


Sex offender puppet anyone?

Satanists disassociating themselves with those true to their own wants and needs just seem pitiful really…

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Edited by ta2zz (11/08/10 04:23 PM)
Edit Reason: puppet anyone, puppets everyone?
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#44050 - 11/08/10 08:07 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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I see nothing hypocritical about condemning someone for doing something that I do not agree with. I don't care if they are simply pursuing their interests. It's not about not wanting to look "bad" or "evil" to anyone but about my opinion. My opinion being the only one that matters to me in a such a situation.

"Sex offender" may be a blanket term, but, if the shoe fits...
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#44051 - 11/08/10 09:53 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I signed the last reply Devils Advocate for a reason. I find it funny in a sad way that those taking the name of ultimate evil so shy away from it once they are faced with the reality of it all.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I see nothing hypocritical about condemning someone for doing something that I do not agree with.

Me either really… I was mostly talking about Satanic organizations and how fast they try to pull away from anything not accepted by society, but I guess if the shoe fits eh?

Condemning someone over a state imposed title without any added information or making your own judgment is like thinking prison is a vacation due to one TV show. A Satanist or anyone claiming intelligence should question everything put before them. Then draw their own conclusions to base their actions on.

This is only my opinion of course.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I don't care if they are simply pursuing their interests.

As they would care nothing of your opinion on the matter I would imagine.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
It's not about not wanting to look "bad" or "evil" to anyone but about my opinion. My opinion being the only one that matters to me in a such a situation.

Cool if we were in a situation then your judgment would come into the equation, but we are really just thinking out loud on a forum.

I think it is all about looking tough getting your testosterone flowing and thinking what you would do to this unnamed sex offender or what you think they should have done. So with all this talk about your opinion I ask is your opinion on this truly yours or simply what you have been programmed into believing is true and just?

I myself hold more ill will towards someone driving stupid around me than towards anyone who has ever crossed the line society has drawn in the sand.

Unless that line is crossed with you or yours should a Satanist really give a fuck?

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#44052 - 11/08/10 11:20 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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Somehow I missed the part where you signed your post with that. I'm not saying it isn't there, it is, I'm just admitting my oversight.

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Condemning someone over a state imposed title without any added information or making your own judgment is like thinking prison is a vacation due to one TV show. A Satanist or anyone claiming intelligence should question everything put before them. Then draw their own conclusions to base their actions on.


This is all very true. And I suppose it is possible that person was unlucky enough tho earn their title via dating a 17 y/o when they were 18-19 but that thought hadn't originally crossed my mind.

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So with all this talk about your opinion I ask is your opinion on this truly yours or simply what you have been programmed into believing is true and just?


No, this is very much my opinion. Just because it is a popular one does not mean that I was "programmed" to believe it or that I don't truly believe it.

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Unless that line is crossed with you or yours should a Satanist really give a fuck?


What I should do as a Satanist, student, brother, roommate or as any other thing I can be called is what I decide. A lot of things don't bother me unless I am directly affected. Even still there are things that bother even if I am not directly affected.
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#44054 - 11/09/10 07:13 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I'm somewhat late to the table for this discussion, but having read through the posts here and the linked news articles I'm reminded why I am reluctant to publically call myself a Satanist; I would be associated, even distantly, with these kinds of non-entities.

These fools (who make the rods for their own back) have next to no understanding of Satanism as something greater and darker than a juvenile, angst-ridden attention seeking device and have absolutely no understanding of magic. It's my hope that they move onto a new fad as soon as possible and before doing anything else that further conflates Satanism in the public consciousness not with intelligence and power but with idiocy and the glamorization of being a failure.
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#44071 - 11/10/10 03:59 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: PrinceOfBabalon]
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These fools (who make the rods for their own back) have next to no understanding of Satanism as something greater and darker than a juvenile, angst-ridden attention seeking device and have absolutely no understanding of magic.

It's quite odd, they exactly are saying the same about you when confronting them. The philosophy you have chosen is one of great conflict and tremendous confrontation. I might even think some are having trouble wearing the label by underestimating the weight the label has, let alone having the proper mindset from my point of view.

I personally see no problem calling yourself a Satanist as long as you are capable of holding your horses together and have a near perfect history of good, respectfull and honest behavior spiced up with a great deal of codes of honour and a will and mindset in order to progress your social status and life-style.


Edited by Dimitri (11/10/10 04:01 PM)
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#44089 - 11/12/10 07:06 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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"ta2zz"
"The only 19 yr old arrested on that blotter was booked for assault and battery with a dangerous weapon."


And though I neither defend this person nor detract from them the truth is that this information is inaccurate. Assault and battery is not associated with the individual accused of this misdemeanor.

This then brings up the situation regarding trespassing. Were you to trespass on public property (is that possible) can/should you be arrested for doing that? May the public step foot on public property yet be arrested for trespassing on same grounds simply due to an officer making a decision to favor the public [majority] over a specific minority [Satanism]? (In this case a lawfully recognized religious group.)

Suppose the real issue is FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Can I speak my will, in public, against a majority view, without expectation of harassment by the Police? Did the Police violate the right of the public here or did they enforce trespassing laws regarding the public being on public property?

Free speech or trespassing on the public. How would a Judge assess this measure?
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#44090 - 11/12/10 11:22 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
And though I neither defend this person nor detract from them the truth is that this information is inaccurate. Assault and battery is not associated with the individual accused of this misdemeanor.

So either your linked information was wrong or you are full of it either way doesn’t matter very much. Ignorance to the law will not favor in your defense.

 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
This then brings up the situation regarding trespassing. Were you to trespass on public property (is that possible) can/should you be arrested for doing that? May the public step foot on public property yet be arrested for trespassing on same grounds simply due to an officer making a decision to favor the public [majority] over a specific minority [Satanism]? (In this case a lawfully recognized religious group.)

Sounds like those flying the Satanism banner expected fair treatment from the average sheep do I need to point out how ignorant this is? Yes schools, libraries and parks are public property yet you can be arrested for trespassing there after hours. Again these things should have been thought out and seriously a lawyer should have been retained with such an undertaking. Before any of this happened the laws should have been defined.

 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
Suppose the real issue is FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Can I speak my will, in public, against a majority view, without expectation of harassment by the Police? Did the Police violate the right of the public here or did they enforce trespassing laws regarding the public being on public property?

There are laws governing freedom of speech, as there are laws to follow when protesting. Remember while you are free to say anything you want, this doesn’t give you the right to say or do anything you like without fear of repercussions. The real issue is ignorance of the law, ignorance to human nature and just plain ignorance. If a cop tells you to stop something and you continue it thinking you know it all well, guess what shit happens.

Help yourself or your friend out and hire him a lawyer “now” as trying to fight this on your own will probably not go very well.

 Originally Posted By: Myrddin Derwydd
Free speech or trespassing on the public. How would a Judge assess this measure?

Guess this kid will find out eh? Again my suggestion retain a lawyer ask these questions to him. Otherwise this rant of yours screams only of ignorance to reality.

Similar stories this guy fights for GOD. http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/36237/#Post36237

This video might be of interest as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ283ZkzycY

Long video but very informative. http://www.youtube.com/user/XENUTV?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/69/8QGDxnrYqKg

Ignorance and Satanism are like oil and water.

Have a nice day

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#47981 - 02/03/11 03:57 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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About 3 months ago this was a hot topic. Since then the leader of the group has mentioned they, the group that is, would be developing a new web site. I've yet to discover it.

The Church of the IV Crown Princes however, does maintain a site at: http://www.meetup.com/Ok-ahoma-Satanist/ and back three months ago they had 40 meetup members. Two weeks ago it was 19 and now it is 20.

The FOX affiliate in Oklahoma City interviewed James Hale and presented the news clip on Wednesday February 02, 2011 on the 9:00 PM news cast. There we discovered the Church of the IV Crown Princes claim, "...there are thousands of satanists in the Oklahoma City area." That's good to know but why do 99% of them fail to join the meetup group?

From the FOX 25 web site we learn: "According to the leader of a local satanic church, there are thousands of satanists in the Oklahoma City area. We sat down with the leader to ask the tough questions and find out what their beliefs are. Posted: Wednesday, February 2 2011, 11:05 PM CST"

The link is here:
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/special_reports/videos/vid_209.shtml

They are supposed to do "part 2" on Thursday night February 03, 2011 in which they present video from the October event from last year.

According to the meetup web site they have had 63 meetings since they formed. That would be just a bit more than one a week. Not bad for about 20 members.

What do you think about what they are doing?

DISCLOSURE:
I am not a member of that group nor have I made any contact with them as of this date. I'm just curious about what they are up to.
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#48015 - 02/03/11 11:35 PM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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Thanks for the video link.

It looks like your average group that managed to get some publicity and take advantage of it. The guy wasn't phenomenally articulate and his "ritual chamber" came off as a bit tacky, but hey, if he can keep a group together then that's his little party.

My impression is that he uses the basic outline according to the Satanic Bible for the sake of having organized, but is more eclectic and inclusive to theistic and spiritual Satanists.

There are definitely not thousands of Satanists in Oklahoma city. But of course, it's more exciting to say otherwise.
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#48018 - 02/04/11 12:33 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: The Zebu]
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For what it WAS, it was done within limits I would see as acceptable. They're not following the exact guidelines of ritual that I was taught, nor were they conducting a ritual exactly as I WOULD... but they WERE DOING SOMETHING, rather than simply being on the web and declaring themselves to be "satanists," yet lacking any personal experience or contextual substance.

I personally might have defied any local laws or taboos and had the naked altar. I wouldn't have covered my face or had the members of the ritual do so. If I was going to "go public," it would be more of an impact to say, "Here we are. This we do," without obscuring our appearances.

Of course this was Oklahoma City. Most of the time in California, I could have sold tickets, but when the press was at one of our events, we made no allowance for them. They saw us... boobs and all.
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#48038 - 02/04/11 09:13 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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You have boobs? \:D

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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#48039 - 02/04/11 09:36 AM Re: Satanists Book Oklahoma Civic Center for Ritual [Re: Myrddin Derwydd]
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They made it a two part series. Here are the links:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 2 shows inside the public ritual held at the Civic Center last October.
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