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#42707 - 09/01/10 01:14 AM Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame
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any trippers on these forums? I don't drop acid much (great for introspection and songwriting) but dank is a daily,if not hourly, pastime for me....keeps the mania down and makes a good appetite builder.
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#42709 - 09/01/10 01:29 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: godkiller]
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Are you a cop?
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#42710 - 09/01/10 02:25 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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of course not! Just curious
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#42712 - 09/01/10 02:37 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: godkiller]
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Curious? To what end? Are you looking for people to swap stories with? If so, this is not the place for it. Or perhaps you have on idea as to how a discussion of the use of drugs is relevant, pertinent, or interesting. If that is what you are striving at, do try to elaborate more.

Me, I've done just about everything under the sun. Not bragging, just stating a fact. Pot isn't as interesting to me as it once was. As such I have curtailed my use. My roommates, however, smoke it like they think it will disappear from the bag if they don't.

Hallucinogenics? They can be fun, when done in the proper environment. I suppose they can serve a purpose, with regards to self-reflection etc. Most of the time, however, I am just amazed at how interesting a shag carpet can be.
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#42714 - 09/01/10 08:34 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: godkiller]
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I have used drugs in the sense of having it tried out once or twice. Marijuana is something I sometimes (lets say, once in a few months or so..) use.

I don't see any use of taking drugs on a daily basis, nor do I see any gain of it. I prefer to write songs with a clear mind, people needing to find "inspiration" or fantasy stories by the use of drugs I look down to. And I really pity them for having a weak mind.

You already mentioned of having difficulties on concentration on another topic, might I suggest laying off the shit you use? Unless you are really eager to become one of those pothead marginals in society..


Edited by Dimitri (09/01/10 08:35 AM)
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#43300 - 09/29/10 02:21 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Dimitri]
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Did you know that beatles song isn't about drugs it was a picture johns son drew.....

Also i did some "stuff" once i thought my brain was going to fall out.True story.

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#43332 - 09/29/10 08:00 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Mr_Lament]
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Drugs are gay, they make your lead singer fucking lose it and become an addict only to find Jeesus, which the band disbands because of a lack of singer or any remaining effort to continue the band. Ugh. Sorry. Venting.
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#43333 - 09/29/10 08:45 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Lamar]
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I shall vent, too if one more person equates "gay" with "crap". I don't use your sexual orientation as an insult so don't try to appropriate mine.
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#43334 - 09/29/10 09:55 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: felixgarnet]
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Drugs are gay....blah blah blah


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I shall vent, too if one more person equates "gay" with "crap". I don't use your sexual orientation as an insult so don't try to appropriate mine.


Yeah, I’m sure that Lamar was sitting around trying to come up with ways to insult your sensitivities when he wrote that. I would be willing to bet that he doesn’t give a rats ass about your sexual orientation, because frankly it doesn’t make you all that special. Or is that what is really bothering you?




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#43335 - 09/29/10 10:25 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Asmedious]
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What really bothers me is that so many people don't take the trouble to think before they speak. There's an incongruence between "not giving a rat's ass" about the sexual orientation of others yet using that very thing as a term of abuse. Why not use, "crap" if that's what you mean?
I'm sure Lamar will be able to answer for himself on this matter.
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#43337 - 09/29/10 11:14 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: felixgarnet]
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Dude, if your gay that's your prerogative I don't give a shit. I don't see why you would be offended by me saying a situation was gay. If you are genuinely offended I apologise but I won't quit using the term, I think it's kinda gay that you would be offended. Whatever. Sorry.
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#43338 - 09/29/10 11:27 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Lamar]
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No, no I'm not offended personally by you throwing it out in the general sense; I wasn't applying it to me in any case as my sexuality goes way beyond that. ;\) But . . .

When I read yet again today of another gay teenager (13)hanging himself in his bedroom while Mum and Dad are at the shops because yet again he's heard "gay" as both a slang term for homosexuality and rubbish then, yes it makes me sick.

Why the hell did this start, anyway? I live in England where the climate is fairly tolerant but still it happens. Kids are told in the school yard that they are the equivalent of crap and hear it in the media, unchallenged. They are vulnerable and, hell, an old fart like me who literally took to the streets 40 years ago so that gay men could live in peace sees his achievements unravelling before his eyes.

Thanks for your response, Lamar. ;\)
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#43339 - 09/29/10 11:40 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: felixgarnet]
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 Originally Posted By: felixgarnet
No, no I'm not offended personally by you throwing it out in the general sense; I wasn't applying it to me in any case as my sexuality goes way beyond that. ;\) But . . .

When I read yet again today of another gay teenager (13)hanging himself in his bedroom while Mum and Dad are at the shops because yet again he's heard "gay" as both a slang term for homosexuality and rubbish then, yes it makes me sick.

Why the hell did this start, anyway? I live in England where the climate is fairly tolerant but still it happens. Kids are told in the school yard that they are the equivalent of crap and hear it in the media, unchallenged. They are vulnerable and, hell, an old fart like me who literally took to the streets 40 years ago so that gay men could live in peace sees his achievements unravelling before his eyes.

Thanks for your response, Lamar. ;\)


I see where your coming from man, it is sad that a teen would hang himself at being ridiculed. I wasn't intending it in a degrading way to anyone. Gay is just another term nowadays, not necessarily homosexual but reffering so something bad, I'm glad you got that. I actually support gay rights.

BUT on the other hand, if someone who is gay is offended at being called gay, or at the term like I used it, grow up? I understand it is not okay to ridicule someone over there sexual preference and it is sad when teenagers take their own life out of being ridiculed. But come on, there are just certain situations that are quite frankly, gay.

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#43342 - 09/30/10 12:13 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Lamar]
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"But come on, there are just certain situations that are quite frankly, gay."

LOL! Hey, I'm English, I get irony. I won't drift this thread any more - and I will give my own input on recreational drugs very soon - but I'm still very curious as to why "gay" has come to mean naff/rubbish/dull when, even in the literal sense it means the opposite. It would be more reasonable to say something is "so straight" but people don't. Gay does still mean homosexual in Western common parlance; everyone knows this so to use it to describe something negatively is to imply that gay=bad.

A while ago a few of us were chatting on line about people who are not transgender. In other words, their gender identity and bodies are congruent to them. These we called "cisgender", "cis" used accurately from the Latin meaning "on the same side". It was astonishing how quickly the non-trans people took offence at this. The reason was that for once, just once, they were the people being named, not us. And we weren't even saying, "That's so cis". ;\)
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#43355 - 09/30/10 09:22 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: felixgarnet]
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I can actually relate to this subject to a point. For about five years in elementary school, I picked up the nick name “Gay-boy,” which was a play on words because my real name kind of rhymes with it.

Back in the seventies, there wasn’t any cultural hand holding and cuddling of gays, so the nick name was offensive and annoying as all hell and it spread so quickly that there was nothing that I could do to change it.

Yet I never even considered hanging myself, or making a big stink about it. Life is full of adversity and either we learn to deal with it, or we allow it to eat us up and go through life living as a victim; or taking an early exit from it all together.

I think that physically healthy young people who commit suicide because of what their peers say about them, might have not been viable for life in the first place. Chances are that even into adulthood they would have been overly sensitive and would have constantly lived with a victim mentality, going from one destructive behavior such as self mutilation, drug and alcohol abuse, anorexia, and what ever else is the self destructive mode of the day, to the next.

Yes one could reasonably argue that I am insensitive. I truly am. I have a friend whom I’ve known for over 30 years. He thinks that his life sucks, and he maybe right. He has attempted suicide several times. Do I want him to kill himself? No, I do not because sometimes I enjoy his company, and like having him around. I also try to help him out anyway that I can, as long as he doesn’t end up being my personal “Psychic Vampire,” which he is prone to being. Yet, when he called me one time telling me that he felt that he was “done,” and he would probably die that night, I also didn’t run over there preaching at him about what a big mistake he was making, but instead I told him that I would miss having him around and it will really suck to have lost a friend. I wasn’t about to impose my will on him and respected his decision to make a final exit. This was two years ago, and he is still around and is still miserable.
It might also be interesting to note, that although he still talks about what a relief it would be to die, everytime that there is the slightest thing wrong with him, he runs to the doctor for every little thing. He takes his cholesterol and blood pressure medications religously. Makes a person wonder how sincere his death wish truly is.


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#43358 - 09/30/10 01:57 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
Drugs are gay, they make your lead singer fucking lose it and become an addict only to find Jeesus, which the band disbands because of a lack of singer or any remaining effort to continue the band. Ugh. Sorry. Venting.


Don't blame the drugs for the person's irresponsibility.

Any drug can be used responsibly; it is the people who abuse drugs that make the people who use them look bad.
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#43361 - 09/30/10 03:40 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: Lamar
Drugs are gay, they make your lead singer fucking lose it and become an addict only to find Jeesus, which the band disbands because of a lack of singer or any remaining effort to continue the band. Ugh. Sorry. Venting.


Don't blame the drugs for the person's irresponsibility.

Any drug can be used responsibly; it is the people who abuse drugs that make the people who use them look bad.


That is true. But I still have a negative outlook towards drugs, and I think he is an idiot. He appartently went to rehab which I respect his actions, but then picks up religion. Probably he will abandon religion and pick up right where he left off - partying. Ugh.

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#43607 - 10/14/10 05:56 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: Lamar
Drugs are gay, they make your lead singer fucking lose it and become an addict only to find Jeesus, which the band disbands because of a lack of singer or any remaining effort to continue the band. Ugh. Sorry. Venting.


Don't blame the drugs for the person's irresponsibility.

Any drug can be used responsibly; it is the people who abuse drugs that make the people who use them look bad.


That is true. But I still have a negative outlook towards drugs, and I think he is an idiot. He appartently went to rehab which I respect his actions, but then picks up religion. Probably he will abandon religion and pick up right where he left off - partying. Ugh.


Rehab is the funniest damn thing I've ever heard of. "Don't do drugs, but here we're going to give you this drug that will help you wean off of that "bad" drug." It's amazing to me how people will divert their own addictions to something else, IF they think something else might help them. Hell, my father is a "dry" alcoholic, and an ex smoker. You should see his addictions now! I can't tell you how many times I've told him he's needed a smoke and some damn booze because of how nasty he is now.

It's the same thing with religion. Take responsibility for your actions, but "God helped me do it" or "God's hand was on them". WTF? Either they took responsibility or the person didn't? Which is it?

Enough derailment on my part. I no longer take part in the drug scene, as I now have too many responsibilities to go wasting my hard earned money on exploring the "inner depths of my mind". But when I did, the drugs weren't near as contaminated as they are now. Even in the last 10 years they've changed immensely with all the "cutting" of the products and the fertilizers and hy-bred pot that's floating around out there. Pot was still just pot 20 years ago unless you bought "skunk" or "creeper" weed on purpose, and acid was just that. Anything that went "up" was preferred as appose to a downer. I only tired mushrooms once (couldn't stand the way they tasted) but enjoyed a few trips here and there from paper. The funniest part was chewing up rolls of Vitamin C all week long to get the "most out of our trip" and waking up at 4 am in the back of my truck after smoking a little pot to come down from the last bit of our trip! Oh what it was to be 19 and laying out under the stars too stoned to do much else but hang out and talk!!

Now though, a dime bag of pot is something like $45 around here, from what I've heard, and an 8 ball is no longer $80 but closer to $150 depending on the cut. Acid use to be a few dollars a hit for the good stuff (Blue Unicorn was really a TRIP). Now it's something like $10 a hit, and that's just the plain white blotter that usually travels with the Dead Heads (some of the crappiest I tried back in the day). Plus there are drug busts going on in our area at least once a month, if not more. I'm not about to spend that kind of money on a couple of hours of fun when I can go out and buy something that will last me much longer (like a new computer, air brush or vehicle) that will be productive in some way. I am not fond, at all, of the possibly of losing my job, having a permanent record, and having to dish out money for things like lawyers, court fees, etc., because I was stupid enough to play "in" the drug scene of today. I like knowing I can be bonded for a job, and can work just about anywhere because I will pass a drug test no matter what day it is.

Alcohol is legal, and there are enough "speed" type products on the market legally. I can get the same affects out of things that are legal, and if I want hallucinations, well, all I have to do is fall asleep and enjoy a dream during a good nights sleep or eat the worm that's in the bottom of a Tequila bottle. I have enough running through my head that I don't need to add to it through doing illegal drugs. Shit, I can go to the local Urgent Care and get a shot of Toradol for my migraines for about the same cost as 1/2 an 8 ball, and still get in some great hallucinations just before zonking out into a dream land loaded with imagination. ;\)
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#44364 - 11/21/10 11:09 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Asmedious]
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I always thought that song was about someone's girlfriend tripping on drugs..
I tried something one time,and seriously thought my brain was after me.It was pretty fucking scary.

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#44403 - 11/22/10 01:57 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Satan's Mistress]
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 Originally Posted By: Satan's Mistress
I always thought that song was about someone's girlfriend tripping on drugs.

I always thought it was a tribute to San Francisco's Director of Public Health during the Hashbury era, Dr. Ellis D. Sox.
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#44404 - 11/22/10 02:04 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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John Lennon said that it was simply from an incident he had with Julian Lennon as a child. Julian was drawing a picture and seeing the world through the eyes of a 5 year old. John asked, "What are you drawing?"

The answer was "Lucy (his friend and schoolmate) in the sky with diamonds."

The Lucy in Julian's drawing was reported to have died just recently.
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#44468 - 11/25/10 11:20 PM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Jake999]
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Lucy is short for Lucifer. Lucifer is the planet Venus shining in the early eastern morning sky with the other stars shinig around her like diamonds. On the front cover of the Seargent Pepper album the Beatles are standing there posing with cardboard cutouts of famous people two of which are well known Satanists Marilyn Monroe and Aleiser Crowly.
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#44470 - 11/26/10 02:11 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: Kenny Lane]
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Well... you COULD come up with a thousand new agey, fluffy myths. Or, here's a concept... listen to Julian Lennon, the man involved. He makes it clear in the 1st minute and a half.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcM2UVxg1k4
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#45113 - 12/18/10 03:57 AM Re: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Mary Jame [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Any drug can be used responsibly; it is the people who abuse drugs that make the people who use them look bad.


This reminds me of something I read recently, it slips my mind at the moment where I was reading this, but this guy went on a giant rant about how drug use and abuse was more of a symptom of an underlying problem, rather than a problem in and of its self. It made allot of sense to me and I felt like posting for once.
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