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#4271 - 02/16/08 10:42 AM Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism
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Greetings

I was at a friends house last night and he had his TV on MSNBC and they were talking about Religion inside the Prisons. There was a Prison in Chicago that allows prisoners to practice whatever religion they choose to. They provided all the material that the inmates requested and had a book shelf set up that had each section for each religion.

They had a guy who spoke openly about practicing Satanism and they showed him doing a ritual inside a chamber they had set up for him to practice. He was allowed lit candles an athame an altar and a Baphomet sigil on the wall.

I just think that its a good ideal to allow people to practice there religion while being in jail and not to put them down for it or to kill them for there beliefs, like what other countries do if they find out you practice Satanism or Witchcraft.

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#4277 - 02/16/08 03:29 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: Noc]
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I think its great that this is allowed in chicago but they should allow inmates in all prisons across the world to practice there own religion,since they allow us to read the bible an allow a priest to come an read the book of god an pray for that inmate they should allow the practice of Satanism an the right to read the Satanic Bible upon request!!

But i also know a school i use to go to that allowed me an my followers to practice an study Satanism in a class room that didnt need all the classmates or teachers to approve of what we study an i think that this is another thing that should be allowed in schools as well as jail,prison or work if this is a country of freedom then why are we not free to practice our own religions?..An i know that this will never happen but if we can get someone in the whitehouse who shares are religion then he might have the chance to change the fucked up laws we have an give us the right to practice our own religions within our schools,prisons,jails or work place.
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#4287 - 02/16/08 07:47 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: Demigod666]
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Yeah because they say Freedom of Religion ,and that should mean all religions
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#4298 - 02/17/08 08:29 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: Noc]
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If he was in prison, how on earth did security allow him to use an athame, even in ritual??? Hell, they're not allowed to have anything that could even remotely be used either as a weapon, or to break themselves out of jail. The candles and sigil I could understand would be permissable, but not a sharp object, no way, not even in minimum security detention centers.
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#4299 - 02/17/08 09:25 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: Nemesis]
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im with nemesis on this, no fucking way they would let a blade inside. you have to use plastic cutlery they would never let you have a athame.
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#4373 - 02/20/08 01:09 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: rob_church]
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From what I seen on the show the guy had an athame, it looked real but it could have been a plastic blade but looked very real. It showed 2 guys and they were locked inside a special prison cell they called there chamber. They had a Baphomet sigil hanging on the wall over there altar. The altar had lit candles spread all over there altar. They were filming the guy standing at his altar reading from his book and holding his athame as he pointed it toward the sigil. I don't know if it was real or plastic but he had an athame and it was on MSNBC
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#4375 - 02/20/08 02:18 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: Noc]
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This reminds me of when I heard that the British Navy allowed one of their ship mates to practice Satanism whilst aboard a vessel. Ann Widdecombe didn't like that at all from what I read, spouting off things like "Satanism is wrong". If she did her homework, she might not have come out with such crap.

Sorry, going off on a tangent yet again.

Anyway, back to the point, This is a sign of slow progress in society. Although we shouldn't let our guard down, as it could be a trap. We'll wait and see what happens to the Satanic prisoners and the Satanic sailor, then we can evaluate whether this is a good thing or not.
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#4377 - 02/20/08 02:27 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DistroyA]
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I disagree.

I don't think people should have the luxury of practicing any religion in Jail. They are there as a punishment and they should get exactly that. A punishment. Allowing them to practice a religion is allowing them a freedom, if they are in Jail they are entitled to no such thing. They are state property until stated otherwise. Commit the crime and you loose the right to be a human being, you are at the mercy of the court until they see fit to releace you. Prison is too damn easy for people now.
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#4387 - 02/20/08 07:37 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I don't think people should have the luxury of practicing any religion in Jail. They are there as a punishment and they should get exactly that. A punishment. Allowing them to practice a religion is allowing them a freedom, if they are in Jail they are entitled to no such thing.


Actually, now I think about it, I take back my original statement.


Edited by DistroyA (02/20/08 07:38 PM)
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#4407 - 02/20/08 11:33 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DistroyA]
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I have little sympathy for prisoners. If you're stupid enough to break the law then you deserve everything you get. There are exceptions, like people who are falsely arrested or countries with stupid laws like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, but if you live in a "Westernised" country and break the law you should do hard time.

Prisoners in the UK get cable TV, a common room with board games, a FREE college education, internet access for 1 hour per day, free access to a gym, free access to a library, three meals a day, a warm bed, the ability to practice their religion and just recently once a week they are allowed to watch porn in there rooms for "relif of sexual tension".

I spent 4 months homeless living on the streets for most of it. I ate when I had food and slept on benches or in feilds. I had nothing and I suffered through it. Prison would have been cushy by comparison. There's clearly something wrong with the system.
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#4428 - 02/21/08 07:03 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Yeah, I think I wasn't thinking properly or rationally last night. I honestly think you're correct on this matter TC. The problem with today's government is the fact they're pussy-footing around problems. Fuck, they even stopped caning in schools, and look how bad the youth of today has become. The villain really is becoming the victor these days. And this is thanks to our crap law system.

Y'know, I feel that humiliation is the best method to stop people from committing crimes and such. Bring back the stocks and bring in more modern ways of humiliating people, and that should stop them from committing further crimes. Obviously, this is for the ones who actually have committed crimes over here and completely deserve it of course....
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#4439 - 02/21/08 11:24 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DistroyA]
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Again, the only problem with treating criminals like this is we are not perfect and sometimes innocent people go down for crimes they didn't commit. Would you want people subjected to such things unduely.

However the idea of the stocks is something I like. Having someone humiliated does cause people to avoid crime, especially if you spent 48 hours in stocks in the town square, no rest, no sleep, no food and with people allowed to throw fruit/veg or spit on you as they pass... you're not commiting GBH again are you.
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#5237 - 03/10/08 10:52 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I disagree.

I don't think people should have the luxury of practicing any religion in Jail. They are there as a punishment and they should get exactly that. A punishment. Allowing them to practice a religion is allowing them a freedom, if they are in Jail they are entitled to no such thing. They are state property until stated otherwise. Commit the crime and you loose the right to be a human being, you are at the mercy of the court until they see fit to releace you. Prison is too damn easy for people now.


You do make a very good post. I agreed with the people before you before i read your post so you made me change my mind, in a way.

The problem is - You look at criminals as nothing but criminals.
What about the criminals that shouldnt be criminals in the first place? Such as people that have murdered people that deserved it only to later go to jail about it? Should people practicing justice have to be punished to the extent that you are suggesting?

You are correct, there is something very wrong with this system. Prisoners do get taken care of real good in prison and its actually fucking ridiclious. I should know since i live in Sweden, Saddam Hussein asked to be put in jail here because the reputation of the countries pussyness goes all the way down to Iraq. We give pedophiles max 1 year punishments over here for fuck sake.

But thats not all that is wrong. To me its very wrong that some people go to jail for defending themselves (like in this country) and for killing people that deserved it, such as rapists who have raped someone you know or love and pedophiles that have raped your daughter or sister.

Should these people have to be punished, or even put in jail?
You did make a good point but you also have to keep my point in mind.


 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
Fuck, they even stopped caning in schools, and look how bad the youth of today has become.


That statement was nothing but retarded to me. Youre suggesting that we should beat children in order to get them to obey? I was pretty sure the laws of any Satanism went against that.


Edited by TheMask (03/10/08 10:53 PM)

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#5245 - 03/11/08 12:09 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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My dad used corporal punishment when I was a child and I turned out fine. I hated him for hitting me at the time, but he never caused injury or did anything excessive. He just smacked me when I misbehaved. By the time I was 8 years old I didn't misbehave. Pain is a tool that can teach children not to do things, and it works.

I plan to have kids. I will smack my kids. I will not beat my kids. Children are primal in the way they think, they are intrinsically self obsessed, self absorbed and selfish. They will do what they want. If they link that act to recieving pain, they are less likely to do it. Once they are old enough to understand reason painful punishments are not needed but it does work.

As for the original point. There is no way, legally that you can justify killing someone. If someone raped my sister I would find him, catch him, torture him, kill him... slowly, and I would take great pleasure in doing so. I would also go to prison if caught, and I'd do it anyway. I know killing that guy is wrong, but I feel the punishment is a price worth paying, doesn't mean it should be legal for me to do that.

Murder = Illegal.
You can't claim you're justified in any situation bar self defense. It is ALWAYS wrong. Society depends on this.
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#5257 - 03/11/08 12:52 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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My parents used to smack me around and i hated them for it.
Even up until months ago i hated them for it. I still dont like what they did and i think it was wrong.

Talking to children instead of beating them is less caveman-ish to me and i will try not to sink to that level. I think that educating them in a matter instead of slapping them is the way to go since parents smacking their kids around are simply lazy.


And yes, sure. I simply feel that punishing people that have done so is wrong in my opinion and i wouldnt really call killing that guy wrong.
I simply feel that acts like that should be praised and not condoned. Thats why i think there would be a shame in having those prisoners mistreated more to that extent. The laws are fucked up according to me.

But of course, i think that the justified murderers are in a minority so that doesnt mean the whole bunch of people who actually deserve punishment shouldnt get it.


Edited by TheMask (03/11/08 12:55 AM)

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