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#5464 - 03/13/08 12:33 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
You prove a valid point. Mind you, immense torture and taking away the human rights of an individual such as a rapist, paedophile or murderer seems a lot more satisfying.


A point that needs to be made. Pedophillia is not a crime, it is a very unfortunate sexual alignement for which I have a great deal of sympathy. A child molester is a criminal. A pedophile merely has a sexual attraction towards children. The only difference between a homosexual and a pedophile is the object of there attraction. At least a homosexual can have consenting sex with the object of there desire, ie. the same sex. A pedophile must live with the knowledge that they feel sexually aroused by children, can never form a proper relationship, and in some extreme cases even find an adult body repulsive. Those people who can live like that, hiding it from everyone, never harming a child, yet still coping. They have my respect... and my pity.
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#5466 - 03/13/08 12:40 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I see. Sorry, I meant child molester. When I think of pedophiles, I think of child molesters usually. Thanks for correcting me where appropriate. \:\)

But back to the original point, rapists, child molesters and murderers should be punished in the most cruel way in my opinion, since they've committed cruel crimes. Seems only fitting really.
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#5499 - 03/13/08 05:55 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: DistroyA]
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I only say that so passionately because I imagine the pain, embarassment, shame, maybe even self loathing that little misconception could cause someone reading this who may be keeping back that little secret. I wouldn't want that for anyone, especially someone who would most certainly have a hard time with it daily as it is. It's nothing against anyone individual, just a pet peeve of mine as these people are more misunderstood and hated in society than any other single group existing today, and all for one thing they didn't choose and have no control over.
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#5500 - 03/13/08 06:30 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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One of my exes was raped. She paraded herself around like a slut and, she deserved what she got. I think if women want to go around and parade themselves giving the impression to the general populace that "I want to be touched" -- then they deserve the discomfort. They should have more common sense. While I don't condone rape, some people just put themselves in that situation. Those that don't, I truly do feel sorry for them and will go out of my way to help catch the prick who did it.

I'm not implying that all women are like that; but with modern society as we know it, women are becoming more and more like explicit objects and they parade themselves around like such.
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#5501 - 03/13/08 06:35 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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That's fair play mate. I certainly wouldn't wish it upon someone I don't know to suffer in that respect. Those particular pedophiles are very strong people, holding in an urge so as to not harm any children.

I just meant the particular individuals who are so selfish that they do not consider other people's feelings. These individuals being the careless child molesters.

But back to the point you mentioned, I agree that the individuals that keep their desires to themselves so as to not harm others should be helped, rather than hated.

There's got to be a way to help these people...
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#5502 - 03/13/08 07:22 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: DistroyA

But back to the original point, rapists, child molesters and murderers should be punished in the most cruel way in my opinion, since they've committed cruel crimes. Seems only fitting really.


I would agree, however, when you consider the way our laws are at present some of them are a little excessive. It's quite easy for people to get accused of rape and even go down for it because the girl is drunk at the time... even if they where both drunk, just as an example. Also, alot of the time, it's nothing more than word against word, which unfortunately tends to result in people trusting the girl.

I would also go as far as you say grievous bodily harm should be added to the list. Sexual assault is given too much importance. Rape is not as bad as murder, not even close. GBH on the other hand is just as bad, in fact, probably worse than rape. You can get over emotional stress, and the physical damage is normally slight. With GBH, by it's very nature, people are crippled or serverely physically scared and disabled for the rest of their lives. Surely this is deserving of more attention than rape.
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#5503 - 03/13/08 07:32 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Very true. Even though we've got the ideas for suitable punishments, what we (as in society) need to do is re-establish the law and order system, as it's too fucked up to allow any of the previously stated punishments.

As I stated earlier in the thread, we need to destroy what is present before we can improve, as it seems that none of the mistakes can be corrected. From my view point anyway....
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#5505 - 03/13/08 07:40 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: DistroyA]
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There's too much bureaucracy in our laws now. People need to scrap them and start again from scratch because, particually in Britain, we've been simply building on the same law system since 865AD, that's over 1000years with the same law system.

As Oscar Wilde once said ~ Bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.

If we can just remove all the crap, make the book of codes, laws and strictures of great britain just a little smaller, I think we would have a better judicial system.
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#5531 - 03/13/08 10:38 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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If a rapist is caught they should snip is you know what off, that way he will never want to rape again, a thief chop there hands off they can't carry anything with no hands, thats what they should do but to many people think its to cruel but yet they tend to forget what the victim of rape will live with everyday of there life.

Like in America you will serve more time if caught with weed then if you steal someones identity and ruing there life from it. But the Gov makes way more money on arresting people with weed because they just write off the identity theft and leave the American tax payers to foot the bill.

The system is all fucked up that is the truth but why take someones belief from them why they are in jail. They allow people to watch TV, workout, read, some even graduate high school while in prison, and none of those things are going to change a person's outlook or make them remorseful for what they have done. They should be harder on people in jails but not take away there free will to practice there beliefs.... Hell they allow some smuck to come in and preach to people about the bible, so why not allow people to practice witchcraft,Satanism or any other belief?

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#5548 - 03/13/08 02:55 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to practice Satanism [Re: Noc]
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I agree that the system is flawed (probably severely), but if they started chopping off body parts, you'd have Saudi Arabia - as posted in another thread.

There is just no happy medium. We either have the Western system, which is too lenient on the real criminals and gives them too many liberties, or you have the Middle Eastern justice which is swift and too severe for the crime committed.

As far as religious freedom in prison: Most convicts never had it before they were incarcerated and are "born again" because of desparation or boredom.

That's just great that they show a convict engaging in a Satanic ritual. That's just more bad press for the community.
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#5564 - 03/13/08 09:14 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Thank you. I do include pedophilia in the rapist-section since it is the same in a sense, only against a young child.
But even the matter of pedophilia is debatable in some cases. The laws in this country say that you cant have sex with anybody below the age of 15. I also think that the law says if the person is only 4 years younger, you have to pay a fine.

I myself think that 13 would be an appropriate age. My philosophy is that everyone should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it only hurts themselves - So if both parts, perhaps a 14-year old with an taste in older men and a 30-year old decide to have sex - So be it. If its what they want.

This is theoretically speaking since i dont know how many 13-year olds would actually want to do that. But IF.

"It's all very debatable. We first need a competent justice system before we can start thinking about appropriate punishments...."

Exactly! The system would have to be reformed in order for capital punishment to work properly since the one we have now - At least in my country, obviously isnt working.
However i dont see this coming in a near future.
I'm not arguing with you Mask; just wondering about pedophilia.

At what age does a person begin having sexual feelings? I do notice little children touching themselves, but i don't consider this sexual like we would think of it. Than i myself began thinking sexual thoughts since I was maybe 9 0r 10; it was about the same time I starting doing things with myself you know...

what if i was curious about sex, and a 30 or 40 years old guy i knew and liked as a friend casually talked me into having sex.

I would still consider that not cool because one of use is still getting taken advantage of. I'm just thinking out loud. Maybe it should be up to each individual. As a future mother, i would kill any older bastard who had sex with my teenage daughter, regardless.


Im not sure at what age it starts but i think its around 10 like you say. I know of a girl who lost her virginity when she was 12 i think, so it should be around that age.

Of course taking advantage of somebody sexually isnt right and should be considered rape.
But if the two persons involved are both in on it - I see no harm in it. I think thats what im trying to come across with here.
Theoretically if both people agree to it its all good. If they dont, then its a problem.

About the mother remark im sure that alot of parents would feel the same. Whether the girl is 12 or 16.


 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
One of my exes was raped. She paraded herself around like a slut and, she deserved what she got. I think if women want to go around and parade themselves giving the impression to the general populace that "I want to be touched" -- then they deserve the discomfort.


How does one parade themselves around like a slut exactly? Im curious to know exactly what she did to deserve that. But of course, if you dont want to get into detail that is fully understandable.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
GBH on the other hand is just as bad, in fact, probably worse than rape.


What is GBH? I looked it up on Wikipedia and didnt find anything logical.

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#5610 - 03/14/08 09:36 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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I don't know if this bit of information has been mentioned before, but I didn't see it in the discussion. A few days ago I saw a notice in an American online paper about how a prisoner had tried to become a member of The Church of Satan but had been turned down. The prisoner did not accepted this, and now tries to sue the CoS for discrimination and "emotional distress" because they turned him away. The notic included a link to the legal document used to faile the lawsuit. See http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2008/3/5/morning_links_5_march_2008

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#5611 - 03/14/08 09:38 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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GBH = grievous bodily harm

It's basically the next stage up from assault. If it causes an injury that will be perminant such as blindness, removal of a limb, crushing a bodypart or organ to the point where that person will never truly recover, that is GBH. A simple broken bone is not GBH.
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#5619 - 03/14/08 01:15 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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How does one parade themselves around like a slut exactly? Im curious to know exactly what she did to deserve that. But of course, if you dont want to get into detail that is fully understandable.


Such things can include: fucking every bloke you meet, making home-made porno videos, etc. She had the attention because she made her advances known in public.
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#5628 - 03/14/08 01:30 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I dont think i would ever want to have a girlfriend like that. But still i dont think that gives someone the right to rape the person just because shes overly promiscious and into amature porn. However one should be prepared that if you dress slutty people will treat you like one.

But in a way that goes for me as well - If you dress black and gay youre going to be treated the same.
Its the people that are the problem and not the ones who want to express themselves. I wouldnt say that someone deserves rape based on that.

But of course i dont know much of the details of the case here so thats just the opinion i have so far.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
GBH = grievous bodily harm

It's basically the next stage up from assault. If it causes an injury that will be perminant such as blindness, removal of a limb, crushing a bodypart or organ to the point where that person will never truly recover, that is GBH. A simple broken bone is not GBH.


I understand, thanks for explaining.

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