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#5630 - 03/14/08 01:35 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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I dont think i would ever want to have a girlfriend like that. But still i dont think that gives someone the right to rape the person just because shes overly promiscious and into amature porn. However one should be prepared that if you dress slutty people will treat you like one.


She wasn't so much a girlfriend, more a "fuck-buddy" type of thing. Men like me got what we wanted out of her, and then just got rid of her. That's how she paraded herself, so that's how she got treated.
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#5632 - 03/14/08 01:42 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DaVinci]
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Ah yes, i see your point. I strongly disagree but it is your opinion.

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#5633 - 03/14/08 01:44 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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I can understand why you would disagree, most women who do get raped don't deserve it at all. But it's the one's who put the message out there for half the public to read that I have zero sympathy for.
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#5636 - 03/14/08 01:52 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DaVinci]
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How do you mean, "put the message out there for half the public to read"? \:o Im a bit slow sometimes.

Some women actually do deserve to get raped. Im thinking about the kind that falsely accuse men of raping them when in fact its just to get back at an old boyfriend or they did have sex with someone else and didnt "like it", that was the case with a girl in this town of mine a little while ago. I hope that slut gets whats coming to her.

From what i understand now she had sex with a guy at a party while her friend was lying next to her and now after she got her money and the guy sentenced - She said that it wasnt rape and that she just didnt "like it". I dont get what thats supposed to even mean.


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#5638 - 03/14/08 01:59 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask
How do you mean, "put the message out there for half the public to read"? \:o Im a bit slow sometimes.

Some women actually do deserve to get raped. Im thinking about the kind that falsely accuse men of raping them when in fact its just to get back at an old boyfriend or they did have sex with someone else and didnt "like it", that was the case with a girl in this town of mine a little while ago. I hope that slut gets whats coming to her.

From what i understand now she had sex with a guy at a party while her friend was lying next to her and now after she got her money and the guy sentenced - She said that it wasnt rape and that she just didnt "like it". I dont get what thats supposed to even mean.


By "put the message out there" I mean exactly that. Parading yourself around like a slut, being overly-flirtacious and being explicit 24/7. Making it know that your goal is to fuck like an animal with no strings attatched. That's what most men look for and, sometimes you'll get the odd-ball who will force himself because the female in question was giving out that impression. People should be more careful with the way they act around others.

As for the girl in your town, she does bloody deserve it!
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#5645 - 03/14/08 05:13 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DaVinci]
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I greatly disagree there DaVinci, TheMask said maybe those who claim rape when they've not been raped deserve it, that I can agree with. No slut deserves rape. She deserves to be used as a sex object, discarded and given no sympathy or respect but she doesn't deserve rape. That's cruel, callous and vindictive assault that traumatises people for years. The idea how ever that rape ruins your life forever is bullshit though. Someone forced you into sex. It was horrible... now get over it. You're not perminantly disfigured, (unless the guy was truly sick minded), stop whinging about it.
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#5714 - 03/15/08 09:17 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DaVinci]
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 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
By "put the message out there" I mean exactly that. Parading yourself around like a slut, being overly-flirtacious and being explicit 24/7.


That is very, very subjective. In some countries they rape women if they leave the house in jeans our without a Muslim Burka. They feel a right to do so because the women "looked like sluts". This is an insane religious idea that is used to explain male action as something they are not able to control because of the "satanic power" of female attraction (just look a Christian writings from the middle ages on this topic!). Sane people should be able to look at attractive females, sluts and pour nakedness without loosing there mind.

- Amina


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#5717 - 03/15/08 10:03 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DaVinci]
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"Sane people should be able to look at attractive females, sluts and pour nakedness without loosing there mind."

Well, i wouldnt really say "sane". "Insane" people sometimes have a better moral code then others.
I would rather say "Anybody who isnt an idiot". But i strongly agree with you.

 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
By "put the message out there" I mean exactly that. Parading yourself around like a slut, being overly-flirtacious and being explicit 24/7. Making it know that your goal is to fuck like an animal with no strings attatched. That's what most men look for and, sometimes you'll get the odd-ball who will force himself because the female in question was giving out that impression. People should be more careful with the way they act around others.

As for the girl in your town, she does bloody deserve it!


Ah yes, now i understand. But i have to say that i agree with TC, i think rape is way too harsh of a punishment for that.

If there should even be a punishment for that.

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
The idea how ever that rape ruins your life forever is bullshit though. Someone forced you into sex. It was horrible... now get over it. You're not perminantly disfigured, (unless the guy was truly sick minded), stop whinging about it.


Your opinion of rape sounds rather light to me. Like you said, it leaves traumas for years. So that could last for the most part of your life, some suffer post-traumatic stress syndrome because of this so its not really like getting beat up downtown on a friday night.

However i agree that one can not get stuck in the act forever, so in order to survive you should eventually get over it.

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#5720 - 03/15/08 10:49 AM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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In most cases it is hard to prove rape unless the rape was very violent and the victim went to the police within a few hours. In cases of drug rape you are often unable to prove force, and some of the drugs are undetectable after 12 hours or less. In a lot of cases the victim is too shocked to go to the police soon enough, and often the case is dropped because of lack of evidence. If it was viewed as righteous to rape women who told the police about a rape without any one being sentenced for the rape, I guess most women would be better off not going to the police in the first place. As it is a lot of women don't because they are to scared, because they just want to forget about the whole thing, because they can't handle the examinations and questions or because they are scared of being disbelieved.

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#5729 - 03/15/08 03:25 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TheMask]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMask

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
The idea how ever that rape ruins your life forever is bullshit though. Someone forced you into sex. It was horrible... now get over it. You're not perminantly disfigured, (unless the guy was truly sick minded), stop whinging about it.


Your opinion of rape sounds rather light to me. Like you said, it leaves traumas for years. So that could last for the most part of your life, some suffer post-traumatic stress syndrome because of this so its not really like getting beat up downtown on a friday night.

However i agree that one can not get stuck in the act forever, so in order to survive you should eventually get over it.


I don't want to seem like some kind of attention seeker here and I'm not one to normally talk about this but I have a strange compulsion to be open about this subject.

At the age of 10 I was sexually assalted by a 14 year old lad. It was extremely upsetting and it took me years to even tell anyone, even to this day I don't actually think I told anyone accept my parents and my first girlfriend (who I was with for years) and I waited 7 years before I told anyone.

I won't pretend it wasn't an awful thing, and what pisses me off more is I know exactly where the guy lives and he's never payed for this, not even slightly. But saying that, he was only 14 and kids do stupid things.

It has taken me years to get over it however if I had my legs crushed I would be in a wheelchair... FOREVER! That is considerably more damaging both physically and mentally. The depression felt by disabled people who can't do things for themselves is often quite high, especially if they used to be quite active people.

Rape doesn't impact your life unless you're mentally to weak to deal with the trauma in which case something else would have came along and broken your fagile little mind eventually anyway. It's horrible yes, but it doesn't ruin your life. If anything I feel it improved my life, it made me feel weak and in that I strived to become stronger, to better myself. I forced myself to fight back so I would never feel that weak again.

I'm almost 6 foot 6. I weigh 16 stone (224lbs). I know how to fight with 4 different kinds of close combat weapons and I have studied a martial art. I am not a weak person physically. Overpowering me is damn near impossible now.

Maybe this explains my stance on rape a little more now. If anyone has any questions I will attempt to answer them but if I ask people to drop it please do as it's still something I feel a little strange discussing.
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#5731 - 03/15/08 04:57 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Rape doesn't impact your life unless you're mentally to weak to deal with the trauma in which case something else would have came along and broken your fagile little mind eventually anyway.


When kids are subjected to neglect, abuse or sexual abuse the stress can actually damage there brains. Not all get affected but most do if the stress is severe. This is real physical damage and it can be very handicapping. Abuse is also more or less "hereditary". Grown ups who got abused or neglected as kids has a very big chance of abusing or neglecting there own kids, and many pedophiles where abused themselves as kids. This shows that even if people "get over it" and stop feeling like victims they are often unable to deal with other people in an healthy way. Being afraid or feeling weak is bad, but being unable to love, have a healthy relationship and bring up your own kids in a loving way most be even worse.

I am happy to hear that you came out of the experience without having your healthy animal nature corrupted.

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#5738 - 03/15/08 07:36 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: DaVinci]
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So if someone was promiscuous, into home made porn and dressed in revealing clothing turned you down, you would have the right to rape them?

There must be alot of men out there who are now nervous. LOL.

Rape is not just an act of sex, more often than not it is an act of control or aggression. I mean really, how sad would an individual have to be to have the town bike turn him down, only to feel the need to force himself on her?

To take this further, that would mean that prostitues and strippers and porn stars would be deserving of rape?

Or actresses or anyone who has put their sexuality out in the public domain.

You don't have to feel sorry for this ex-fuck buddy, but you should also refrain from using a term to describe them that implys you were any sort of friend or buddy, as you were obviously just using her, like you said.

Maybe you should just say, some chick you used to take advantage of got raped and you don't feel sorry for her. Although that would be self evident as if you had any compassion or friendship towards her, you wouldn't have been taking advantage in the first place.
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#5739 - 03/15/08 07:49 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Hey TC,

First let me say that I think it is very strong of you to discuss such an obviously painful experience in an open forum such as this.

It intereseting that you use the examples that you do. I have a friend that was raped as a young boy. Because he fought back, he was actually ties up, beaten and raped by his uncle for seveal years before he was old enough to make it stop.

He like you, repressed it and made himself big and strong so that no one could ever do that to him again.

Anyway, now as a man in his late 40's, he had the memories of it all come back to him and has had to start dealing with it all over again. He and I have talked about it on nemerous occasions now and he is starting to beleive that it has actually had a life long detrimental effect on him, even though for most of his life he hasn't even had it in his mind as a consious thought.

Recently the man had a terrible accident and has been made a quadreplegic. Now this was an accident and not the result of GBH, so I guess it's a little different, but I do know that he thinks that the two things are ezueally as fucked up. They are both crippling in their own way. Rape can be just as emotionally crippling to some as what a physical injury can be to others.

Good luck with this horrible event never effecting you again, I hope for you sake that you are right. :-)

Zeph


Edited by ZephyrGirl (03/15/08 07:54 PM)
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#5745 - 03/15/08 09:36 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Maybe it is different for different people, but I see any trauma that you are physically incapable of recovering from, ie. something that will have a perminant lasting effect, say crippling or blinding for example, as being so much worse. I feel I've recovered for what happened to me and in some respects I'm glad it happened because it made me who I am today. As horrible as it was I would never have pushed myself as far, or fought back as hard if it hadn't happened. Every event shapes you and I try to reflect on that as something that I have gained from, but maybe that's just my way of coping.

I agree with Anima that young children are different though. I was lucky. I was a very intelligent and mature child, but many are not. A childs brain is easily molded and should always be considered on an individual case I feel.

Looking back I did become an extremely violent teen and my personality did change quite radically at about that time. I like to think however that it was merely a factor and not an outright cause of my changes, I was after all growing up.
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#5776 - 03/16/08 02:13 PM Re: Jail Allows Inmates to pracitce Satanism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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TC, I tend to be open about touchy subjects like that as well.
I wouldnt call it attention-seeking. I would rather call it being able to accept that which happened to you and not being ashamed of it. But i understand where youre coming from now.

And there is some truth in that bad things that happen to you have something good to them, something that you can learn from. This doesnt mean that you have to be happy about every trauma that comes your way, but think of it as something to learn from and survive.

But of course, it depends from case to case. Like Amina said it can have a much greater negative effect on your entire life rather then just learning from the trauma and getting stronger. Some people never learn from it.


Anyway. Thanks for sharing such a personal story just to make something clearer for me.

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