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#42792 - 09/05/10 02:31 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
Diavolo Offline
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Look dumbo, all you have shown this far is that you are not capable of reading and understanding a simple article. That's your problem, not ours.

Your accusation of terrorism doesn't bother me at all. I've been called worse. In fact, if terrorists would focus on dumb shit like you, I'd not only fund them, I'd also buy them a drink AND a cigar afterwards.

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#42796 - 09/05/10 03:31 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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And yet you don't see a large number of Xians doing any of that. If they do start to actively mobilize then there will be an issue. Until then I will focus on credible threats.

And we don't see a large number of Muslims doing any of that either. The great majority of them are not terrorists.

Sure, we can point to Jim Jones, or abortion clinic bombers, but can we really say a large number of Christians subscribe to those pockets of wackos?

America invades other people's lands. We would retaliate just the same. Our entire country would turn into one big terrorist group if a foreign country forces its way onto our land and sets up camp.

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#42798 - 09/05/10 03:39 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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What the fuck are you talking about? The Middle East is full of people like that and there is a fair amount of them in the US as well. You Muslim apologists make me sick. Fuck off hippie.
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#42799 - 09/05/10 03:42 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Dimitri]
Syn_Holliday Offline
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It is equally bad, but at least the majority of the U.S is and has been raised Christian. It's normal a Christian church would be built since Christianity is part of the U.S culture. Islam simply isn't. Add up the emotional burden people have about this place and you'll quite quickly notice it is a grave insult.

Owning slaves was part of our culture. Voting restricted to men only, that was a part of our culture. Prohitibiting interracial marriage also (up until the 60's). Marriage restricted to heterosexual couples, I predict that will eventually change also. Change is inevitable.

Religious tolerance, as a change to replace the discriminatory "God's Country" tradition in our culture, I would welcome it gladly. I don't agree with tradition for tradition's sake.

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#42801 - 09/05/10 03:53 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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Oxus, if you don't cut this bullshit you've been spewing since you joined, you'll become the latest addition to our Hall O'Shame. I'm tired of reading your posts, which have nothing meaningful contained therein.

This is the only warning you will get. Step it up or step out.
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#42802 - 09/05/10 04:13 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
Syn_Holliday Offline
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Nope. You're fooled my media sensationalism. The majority of Muslims do not take the "holy war" thing literally, but as a command to spread what they consider truth, not by violent means. They believe it's a war on false religions, same as Christians attempt to spread their truth in a "war" on what they consider false religions. It's like "War on Illiteracy."

But here is a fact: The fastest way to convert Muslims into terrorists is to send infidels into an Islamic country and occupy their land. To say that the American invasion of Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11) was counterproductive, is the understatement of the decade.

When American troops vacate a village in the Middle East, the terrorist groups can hardly recruit anyone in that village. They focus recruitment efforts on villages that we occupy. One of the best ways to incite extreme emotions is to invade someone's land. Even on a local level, invading someone's house causes strong emotional reaction.

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#42805 - 09/05/10 04:35 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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I'm not fooled by anything. You are blinded by politically correct religious tolerance bullshit. When a show like South Park can't even depict Muhammad without receiving death threats from a US based Muslim organization there is a serious problem.

Muslims were attacking people long before we invaded Iraq or Afghanistan so while those invasions didn't help the situation they are not the sole cause. How do you know that terrorists can't recruit people in a village after US forces have left? Have you tried?

Who did we invade that caused 9/11?

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#42807 - 09/05/10 06:03 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Nemesis]
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Yeah yeah yeah, alright then.

I don't trust this Mosque crap, or any Muslim institution. The article tied that investor into Hamas, a terrorist group. I don't believe for a moment he didn't know what he was doing back then, he's a liar. This is just one instance, maybe a small and possibly insignificant instance, but mark my words that there will be more to come.

Sure, as individuals I know most Muslims are not terrorists nor their mosques they are affiliated with either, but you know how institutions work, by money and manipulation. Sooner or later Al-Qaeda connections will move about within these structures and we'll have another catastrophe on our hands.

It's a goddamn Trojan Horse!
And this religion is by far the most aggressive of all the Abrahamic faiths, the Quran has 109 verses concerning hate and war mongering.

Here's a little video with a lot of biased temperment towards Islam. I don't agree with everything on it, but there are many points well made.
Watch it

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#42808 - 09/05/10 06:12 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Same-sex marriage supporters were receiving death threats. Miss California, in reaction to her comment disagreeing with same-sex marriage, caused her death threats. Those who were trying to take the cross off the seal of California were receiving death threats. Nearly all celebrities receive death threats. If you believe them all terrorists, then this country is filled with terrorists from pretty much all controversial viewpoints. You're always going to have the emotional idiots who react as such.

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How do you know that terrorists can't recruit people in a village after US forces have left? Have you tried?

Actually I don't know. That's according to U.S. intelligence data from their monitoring of terrorist recruitment efforts. Also, interviews of captured jihadists reveal that homeland invasion is what ultimately drove them to join the fight. Nothing surprising.

You just can't get many average people to blow themselves up just because they hate someone else's religion. Kill or risk one's life, yes, but intentionally get themselves killed, not likely. It's protecting their homeland that motivates them, much as the Kamikaze's motivation.

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Who did we invade that caused 9/11?

U.S. troops occupied the birthplace of Islam - Saudi Arabia. There was bin Laden’s fatwa entitled, “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.”

As late as the 1950s, Arab nations still sought out American mediation in their international disputes, respecting our independence and fairness. The difference between the good ol’ days of respect for America and the current days of Death to America is a U.S. foreign policy of interference in the Middle East.

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#42809 - 09/05/10 06:16 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Who did we invade that caused 9/11?

This is still a question I never understood. Why did we seem to make a right hand turn and go after Sadam? Why didn't we go after Bin Laden with all we had, and whoever was harboring this prick should have been flattened.

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#42811 - 09/05/10 07:27 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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My guess is that there is no intention of having him killed. And as each year goes by that he still survives, I believe it more and more. He stands as an icon that maintains public support for the War on Terror. He's the boogeyman, much like Satan. There are people making a great deal of money off the War on Terror and intervention in the Middle East.

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

- Hermann Goering, a leading member of Hitler's Nazi Party

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#42813 - 09/05/10 09:57 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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Wow, I skip a few days, and look what I miss \:\)

This has all the trappings of your typical emotionalism versus rationalism argument, meaning it's pointless. It's the same type of argument you get into when the basis of one side is faith (which, in fact, is the case here). Still, I have been drinking, and it amuses me to respond.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

The simple act of aligning yourself with Islam you are automatically designating yourself as "terrorist" or, at the very least, a supporter.


Incorrect - personal responsibility cuts both ways. That is to say, people are responsible for their own actions, and "Islam" isn't a person. Some people are peaceful and have Islam as their faith, and some people use Islam as a tool to manipulate others.

Watch this LBM trick:

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I'm not fooled by anything.

 Originally Posted By: Oxus
I don't trust this Mosque crap, or any Muslim institution. The article tied that investor into Hamas, a terrorist group. I don't believe for a moment he didn't know what he was doing back then, he's a liar.


But, from the original article, we have:
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When the foundation's leaders were indicted, Attorney General John Ashcroft said, the case was not "a reflection on the well-meaning people who may have donated funds to the foundation.


So we are left with two choices. Either:

A) Steven Emerson, who investigates Hamas for a living, and the federal authorities who convicted the fund management, are incompetent, and Oxus and 6Satan6Archist6 are in possession of evidence that links the guys in the article to Hamas; or

B) Our two compatriots have been manipulated by people using Islam as a tool to leverage their emotions.

How does it feel to be dancing to someone else's tune?

(Predicted response: more ad hominem, weak counterarguments, topic change, etc. As I said, conversations like this really can't go anywhere.)

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Until then I will focus on credible threats.

As a side note, I agree with this. I'm solidly pro-Army - I'd just like to be crystal clear on what we're doing and why before we ask men to go risk their lives for it.

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I give you the best BLT ever.

This I am completely in agreement with.

BLTs rock, and the oven is the best way to cook bacon, although you do need to be careful - if the sheet is not level, the grease will pool at one end, and the strips will cook unevenly.

You also need to time it carefully, as the bacon will be done before it "looks" done (ie what you're used to seeing bacon look like).
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#42821 - 09/06/10 07:33 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
Dimitri Offline
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Owning slaves was part of our culture. Voting restricted to men only, that was a part of our culture. Prohitibiting interracial marriage also (up until the 60's). Marriage restricted to heterosexual couples, I predict that will eventually change also. Change is inevitable.

Bring back the slaves!

Culture tends to evolve. While the traditional slave is not that present anymore in todays society Christianity still is.
Cultures tend to evolve, interracial marriage is allowed now, slaves are prohibited,.. blablabla.
But the religion of Christianity is still wired up within the US culture and thus a part of that society. Islam on the other hand isn't. It is part of the life of a VERY small amount of people within the US. As far as I have heard the US is still democratic and thus the choice of the majority is still the deciding one.
This leads to the one conclusion: adapt or shut up.
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#42823 - 09/06/10 11:45 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Dimitri]
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There has never been an absolute democracy here. Fortunately, freedom is protected under the Constitution. Study up on your history again. Not all laws were done away with based on majority vote. In fact, some laws had majority support at the time they were taken off. Some unjust laws were struck simply because they violated the Constitution, including laws related to slavery, women voting, and interracial marriages. Luckily for us, we stand behind such concepts as Freedom of Religion, Separation of Church and State, the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

But you seem to be standing behind a concept where majority (Christianity) rules. You wouldn't happen to be a Christian, are you?

If what you prefer were right and it were truly an absolute democracy, with a majority being Christian things would be much different than they are now. In fact, Christian organizations are on a constant rally to push the very same concept you seem to support ("there's more of us so why is our government protecting the rights of the minority religions"). They would hold you as their hero if you were put in charge!

If there were no Constitution protecting us and there were no restrictions on laws, it would be criminal to work on Sundays, pornography would not be a choice, and it would be against the law to spread any ideas that oppose the church (we wouldn't likely be here on a Satanic board). TV, theater, and music entertainment would be censored and white-washed into obvlivion. Religion would be taught in public schools, and guess what single religion it would be restricted to? Government buildings would have the Ten Commandments and all sorts of Bible verses posted. The Nativity scene would be all over the place on Christmas.

Leads me to one conclusions: you are wrong.

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#42824 - 09/06/10 12:25 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
As far as I have heard the US is still democratic and thus the choice of the majority is still the deciding one.
This leads to the one conclusion: adapt or shut up.


And THIS, Dimitri is the reason for our Constitutional right of Freedom of Speech. It's there to protect the minority and allow them the right to dissent, even in the face of unrelenting odds against them. You don't HAVE to adapt and shut up. Moreover, the correct ideal would be assimilate and speak your piece, so long as you also extend that same right to others, even if you disagree.

The Klan is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

The Communist Party is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

NAMBLA is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

And even when people or concepts are in the majority, but number or ideological acceptance by a preponderance of agreement... we still have the right to dissent. We don't have to agree with them any more than they have to agree with us.
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