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#42737 - 09/03/10 06:39 PM That friggin' Mosque!
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One of the investors in a proposed Islamic center near ground zero is a Long Island medical clinic owner whose expressions of sympathy for Palestinians included a donation to a charity later shut down for links to Hamas.
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#42738 - 09/03/10 07:37 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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 Originally Posted By: Oxus
One of the investors in a proposed Islamic center near ground zero is a Long Island medical clinic owner whose expressions of sympathy for Palestinians included a donation to a charity later shut down for links to Hamas.


RTFA:

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When the foundation's leaders were indicted, Attorney General John Ashcroft said, the case was not "a reflection on the well-meaning people who may have donated funds to the foundation."


Guilt by association? Please. Come up with something better, or take it somewhere else.
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#42741 - 09/03/10 08:18 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Autodidact]
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Wouldn't this be guilty by support / aiding and abetting? Don't dodge the facts here. And wake up to what's going on, wait . . . maybe you support terrorism also?
 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
 Originally Posted By: Oxus
One of the investors in a proposed Islamic center near ground zero is a Long Island medical clinic owner whose expressions of sympathy for Palestinians included a donation to a charity later shut down for links to Hamas.


RTFA:

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When the foundation's leaders were indicted, Attorney General John Ashcroft said, the case was not "a reflection on the well-meaning people who may have donated funds to the foundation."


Guilt by association? Please. Come up with something better, or take it somewhere else.

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#42745 - 09/03/10 10:18 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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 Originally Posted By: Oxus
Wouldn't this be guilty by support / aiding and abetting? Don't dodge the facts here.


Um, there are no facts in the article linking the partnership with Hamas. Even John Ashcroft basically said as much. Again, RTFA.

Pesky things, those facts ...

 Originally Posted By: Oxus
And wake up to what's going on


Aside from you directing me at Enquirer-style reporting, I must be missing it, alas.

 Originally Posted By: Oxus
maybe you support terrorism also?


"Ooh, and he jumps straight to the ad hominem - that's a rookie mistake, John."

"You know it, Pat - this youngster's gonna get eaten alive if he keeps trying that move."
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#42755 - 09/04/10 04:01 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Autodidact]
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Whether or not there is any connection to terrorist groups, I'm sure there are many who are praying that there are, so they have a reason to prevent it from being there. I wouldn't be surprised if they stooped to shady reporting also.
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#42761 - 09/04/10 08:04 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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The simple act of aligning yourself with Islam you are automatically designating yourself as "terrorist" or, at the very least, a supporter.

If the Muslim faith didn't call for such extreme measures (which are actively being seen to) I would have no more of a problem with them building their mosques than I would have with any other religious group building their places of worship. However, as it sits right now, Islam poses a credible threat. Therefore I have no problem opposing them and their agenda at every possible turn.

You sound like another fool championing the "virtue" of tolerance.
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#42764 - 09/04/10 11:06 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Don't get mad, get lunch!

Start with a fresh baguette.
Set your oven to 350.
On a deep cookie sheet bake lay out your favorite bacon in single strips. Whole Foods sells a very nice thick sliced wood smoked bacon.
Place the bacon in the oven for 15-20min. Keep an eye on it because bacon can cook fast in an oven.
Remove the bacon with tongs. If it is not crispy enough place it back in the oven at about 5min intervals.
Placed the hot bacon on a small stack of paper towels to drain. Cover this with another layer of paper towels and flip.
Cut a 12" section of baguette. Then slice lengthwise.
Dress one side of the bread with mayonnaise and a good quality tomato. I like a home grown Beefsteak tomato.
Lettuce is optional.
I give you the best BLT ever.

Now, take your BLT to the offending Mosque and have a little picnic. There is a good chance that you may spill some bacon on the steps of the Mosque. If people are there, engage them in conversation. They may become quite upset by your lunch. They become so upset that they cause you to drop your BLT right on the steps of the Mosque.

For added effect, you can invite your friends to your Mosque picnic. You can bill it as a 'cultural exchange' event. You could even have an adult T-ball game. Make sure to bring your T-stand and balls. Just make sure all of your friends bring their own T-ball bats....

Yep, bacon and T-ball. What could be more American than that?
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#42767 - 09/04/10 01:57 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
The simple act of aligning yourself with Islam you are automatically designating yourself as "terrorist" or, at the very least, a supporter.


I have to agree with that. Maybe not a terrorist but definitely a supporter. I mean that to anyone in general.

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If the Muslim faith didn't call for such extreme measures (which are actively being seen to) I would have no more of a problem with them building their mosques than I would have with any other religious group building their places of worship. However, as it sits right now, Islam poses a credible threat. Therefore I have no problem opposing them and their agenda at every possible turn.


I agree with this 100%. I've said this before. If you look at some of the countries in Europe who've allowed Islam to flourish, you'll see that those countries are having problems with Muslims who are trying to convert the laws of these countries into Islamic laws. Countries that were into religious tolerance and freedom of speech are being threatened into having them taken away.

If you don't believe me, ask Theo van Gogh. Oh, wait! You can't. He was stabbed to death in broad daylight in the streets of his own city by a Muslim because of the film he did on Islam.
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#42768 - 09/04/10 02:09 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Knievel74]
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If you don't believe me, ask Theo van Gogh. Oh, wait! You can't. He was stabbed to death in broad daylight in the streets of his own city by a Muslim because of the film he did on Islam.

You are forgetting:
- various death treaties towards right-wing politicians
- harassing of the Danish cartoonist who is currently hiding
- the burning and damaging of private properties in Paris as a protest for 2 dumbshits who managed to fry themselves while hiding in a electricity room from the cops, the protest also spread towards the neighbouring countries (Brussels, Amsterdam and I also think in Spain).
- the hunger strike from Arabic immigrants at the University of Brussel because they wanted to have their papers and were afraid of being send back to their country of birth (as a former student on the VUB I can say their presence was VERY annoying for both administrational and educational personal as for the students themselves, I swear I would have killed the very first person who was helping these leeches and even in support of their ideas).
- ..


Edited by Dimitri (09/04/10 02:09 PM)
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#42773 - 09/04/10 04:16 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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The simple act of aligning yourself with Islam you are automatically designating yourself as "terrorist" or, at the very least, a supporter.

And by aligning with the Christian Bible, the believers would be aligning themselves with execution of gays and those who work on Saturdays, not allowing women to teach (because they are easily deceived), justifying war with "enemies" based on religion, stoning to death unruly youth, owning slaves, beating slaves (as long as the slave survives a day or two), killing all the men of countries defeated in war and making slaves of the women and children (the pretty women can be taken as wives), commanding women to submit unto their husbands in EVERYTHING, and a lot of other things.

But no one seems to be appalled at a Christian church being near Ground Zero. If believers of either religion followed all that their ancient books profess, they would all be considered terrorists.

A pastor who hates Muslims, Mormons, and gays, will be preaching at the 9/11 Christian Center. He began preaching Sundays at the Marriott at 85 West Street (about as near to Ground Zero as the mosque, if not nearer). A weekly service is planned at the hotel until the $8 million center finds a permanent space.

Yet not a peep from those who are protesting the mosque.

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#42774 - 09/04/10 04:25 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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And yet you don't see a large number of Xians doing any of that. If they do start to actively mobilize then there will be an issue. Until then I will focus on credible threats.
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#42776 - 09/04/10 05:53 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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When was the last time Christians took down two huge buildings in NYC and murdered people?

You know what . . . you're a terrorist too!

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And by aligning with the Christian Bible, the believers would be aligning themselves with execution of gays and those who work on Saturdays, not allowing women to teach (because they are easily deceived), justifying war with "enemies" based on religion, stoning to death unruly youth, owning slaves, beating slaves (as long as the slave survives a day or two), killing all the men of countries defeated in war and making slaves of the women and children (the pretty women can be taken as wives), commanding women to submit unto their husbands in EVERYTHING, and a lot of other things.

But no one seems to be appalled at a Christian church being near Ground Zero. If believers of either religion followed all that their ancient books profess, they would all be considered terrorists.

A pastor who hates Muslims, Mormons, and gays, will be preaching at the 9/11 Christian Center. He began preaching Sundays at the Marriott at 85 West Street (about as near to Ground Zero as the mosque, if not nearer). A weekly service is planned at the hotel until the $8 million center finds a permanent space.

Yet not a peep from those who are protesting the mosque.


Edited by Oxus (09/04/10 06:00 PM)

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#42784 - 09/05/10 06:05 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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If all you can do is accuse people of being terrorists, I suggest you visit a forum that is less demanding at an intellectual level.

D.

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#42788 - 09/05/10 12:15 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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And by aligning with the Christian Bible, the believers would be aligning themselves with execution of gays and those who work on Saturdays, not allowing women to teach (because they are easily deceived), justifying war with "enemies" based on religion, stoning to death unruly youth, owning slaves, beating slaves (as long as the slave survives a day or two), killing all the men of countries defeated in war and making slaves of the women and children (the pretty women can be taken as wives), commanding women to submit unto their husbands in EVERYTHING, and a lot of other things.

A kind reminder both Christian religion and Islam share common grounds..
Let us focus on what these 2 religions have more in common.
- Hating jews.
That sounds helpfull, I think this given thing can be used in an enhancing way... I have something in mind with red flags, and a slightly tilted Hindu symbol.



Now seriously...

I think you are overblowing it a bit. While such things are indeed written in the Bible and Qu'ran, not any believer/follower adhere to these rules. Most people only mirror themselves with it to get a sense of direction and to have a grip onto "something". You'd be surprised how fast people are willingly to belief something illogical for only trying to get peace of mind. Even how far they will go to try and defend that particular fallacy just to preserve that "safe" feeling. The things you see in the media are linked towards extremitism, and am quite sure you think that counts for anyone adhering to Islam. It simply isn't, but that fact doesn't take away the religion itself is flawed as hell and doesn't deserve a good whipping.

Perhaps taking the qu'ran at hand (or the bible) and reading it, together with some history books and placing it in the right time scale will allow you to take a look at the other side and understand the religion better. You'd probably come to the same conclusion as me which would be that those religions are out-dated and don't serve the purpose anymore for what they were once designed by man.

The reason I am against Islam is for cultural reasons and for the thing written above.
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A pastor who hates Muslims, Mormons, and gays, will be preaching at the 9/11 Christian Center. He began preaching Sundays at the Marriott at 85 West Street (about as near to Ground Zero as the mosque, if not nearer). A weekly service is planned at the hotel until the $8 million center finds a permanent space.

It is equally bad, but at least the majority of the U.S is and has been raised Christian. It's normal a Christian church would be built since Christianity is part of the U.S culture. Islam simply isn't. Add up the emotional burden people have about this place and you'll quite quickly notice it is a grave insult.

I wouldn't claim any muslim being a terrorist, I would only call them a bunch of idiots and will try to ignore their pathetic rules and life-style. If they are a bit too demanding I will simply point out whose country and culture they are living in (both the hard and easy way). Adapt or get the fuck out.

(For possible incomprehensive sentences due to weird spelling and grammar, my apologies. Hadn't had much sleep the last couple of weeks and study and extensive use of maths caused my ability to write properly a bit chaotic.)


Edited by Dimitri (09/05/10 12:44 PM)
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#42790 - 09/05/10 01:28 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Diavolo]
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I believe I posted the topic for this thread which began the discussion (if you can call it that). What vernacular verbosity have you brought to the table aside from your worthless jab from behind the shoulders of Autodidact?

Accusing someone of being a terrorist sure gets some feedback! hmmm

Diavolo, you are probably a terrorist also then. LOL!
 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
If all you can do is accuse people of being terrorists, I suggest you visit a forum that is less demanding at an intellectual level.

D.


Edited by Oxus (09/05/10 01:29 PM)

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#42792 - 09/05/10 02:31 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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Look dumbo, all you have shown this far is that you are not capable of reading and understanding a simple article. That's your problem, not ours.

Your accusation of terrorism doesn't bother me at all. I've been called worse. In fact, if terrorists would focus on dumb shit like you, I'd not only fund them, I'd also buy them a drink AND a cigar afterwards.

D.

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#42796 - 09/05/10 03:31 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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And yet you don't see a large number of Xians doing any of that. If they do start to actively mobilize then there will be an issue. Until then I will focus on credible threats.

And we don't see a large number of Muslims doing any of that either. The great majority of them are not terrorists.

Sure, we can point to Jim Jones, or abortion clinic bombers, but can we really say a large number of Christians subscribe to those pockets of wackos?

America invades other people's lands. We would retaliate just the same. Our entire country would turn into one big terrorist group if a foreign country forces its way onto our land and sets up camp.

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#42798 - 09/05/10 03:39 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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What the fuck are you talking about? The Middle East is full of people like that and there is a fair amount of them in the US as well. You Muslim apologists make me sick. Fuck off hippie.
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#42799 - 09/05/10 03:42 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Dimitri]
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It is equally bad, but at least the majority of the U.S is and has been raised Christian. It's normal a Christian church would be built since Christianity is part of the U.S culture. Islam simply isn't. Add up the emotional burden people have about this place and you'll quite quickly notice it is a grave insult.

Owning slaves was part of our culture. Voting restricted to men only, that was a part of our culture. Prohitibiting interracial marriage also (up until the 60's). Marriage restricted to heterosexual couples, I predict that will eventually change also. Change is inevitable.

Religious tolerance, as a change to replace the discriminatory "God's Country" tradition in our culture, I would welcome it gladly. I don't agree with tradition for tradition's sake.

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#42801 - 09/05/10 03:53 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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Oxus, if you don't cut this bullshit you've been spewing since you joined, you'll become the latest addition to our Hall O'Shame. I'm tired of reading your posts, which have nothing meaningful contained therein.

This is the only warning you will get. Step it up or step out.
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#42802 - 09/05/10 04:13 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Nope. You're fooled my media sensationalism. The majority of Muslims do not take the "holy war" thing literally, but as a command to spread what they consider truth, not by violent means. They believe it's a war on false religions, same as Christians attempt to spread their truth in a "war" on what they consider false religions. It's like "War on Illiteracy."

But here is a fact: The fastest way to convert Muslims into terrorists is to send infidels into an Islamic country and occupy their land. To say that the American invasion of Iraq (which had nothing to do with 9/11) was counterproductive, is the understatement of the decade.

When American troops vacate a village in the Middle East, the terrorist groups can hardly recruit anyone in that village. They focus recruitment efforts on villages that we occupy. One of the best ways to incite extreme emotions is to invade someone's land. Even on a local level, invading someone's house causes strong emotional reaction.

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#42805 - 09/05/10 04:35 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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I'm not fooled by anything. You are blinded by politically correct religious tolerance bullshit. When a show like South Park can't even depict Muhammad without receiving death threats from a US based Muslim organization there is a serious problem.

Muslims were attacking people long before we invaded Iraq or Afghanistan so while those invasions didn't help the situation they are not the sole cause. How do you know that terrorists can't recruit people in a village after US forces have left? Have you tried?

Who did we invade that caused 9/11?

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#42807 - 09/05/10 06:03 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Nemesis]
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Yeah yeah yeah, alright then.

I don't trust this Mosque crap, or any Muslim institution. The article tied that investor into Hamas, a terrorist group. I don't believe for a moment he didn't know what he was doing back then, he's a liar. This is just one instance, maybe a small and possibly insignificant instance, but mark my words that there will be more to come.

Sure, as individuals I know most Muslims are not terrorists nor their mosques they are affiliated with either, but you know how institutions work, by money and manipulation. Sooner or later Al-Qaeda connections will move about within these structures and we'll have another catastrophe on our hands.

It's a goddamn Trojan Horse!
And this religion is by far the most aggressive of all the Abrahamic faiths, the Quran has 109 verses concerning hate and war mongering.

Here's a little video with a lot of biased temperment towards Islam. I don't agree with everything on it, but there are many points well made.
Watch it

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#42808 - 09/05/10 06:12 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Same-sex marriage supporters were receiving death threats. Miss California, in reaction to her comment disagreeing with same-sex marriage, caused her death threats. Those who were trying to take the cross off the seal of California were receiving death threats. Nearly all celebrities receive death threats. If you believe them all terrorists, then this country is filled with terrorists from pretty much all controversial viewpoints. You're always going to have the emotional idiots who react as such.

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How do you know that terrorists can't recruit people in a village after US forces have left? Have you tried?

Actually I don't know. That's according to U.S. intelligence data from their monitoring of terrorist recruitment efforts. Also, interviews of captured jihadists reveal that homeland invasion is what ultimately drove them to join the fight. Nothing surprising.

You just can't get many average people to blow themselves up just because they hate someone else's religion. Kill or risk one's life, yes, but intentionally get themselves killed, not likely. It's protecting their homeland that motivates them, much as the Kamikaze's motivation.

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Who did we invade that caused 9/11?

U.S. troops occupied the birthplace of Islam - Saudi Arabia. There was bin Laden’s fatwa entitled, “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.”

As late as the 1950s, Arab nations still sought out American mediation in their international disputes, respecting our independence and fairness. The difference between the good ol’ days of respect for America and the current days of Death to America is a U.S. foreign policy of interference in the Middle East.

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#42809 - 09/05/10 06:16 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Who did we invade that caused 9/11?

This is still a question I never understood. Why did we seem to make a right hand turn and go after Sadam? Why didn't we go after Bin Laden with all we had, and whoever was harboring this prick should have been flattened.

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#42811 - 09/05/10 07:27 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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My guess is that there is no intention of having him killed. And as each year goes by that he still survives, I believe it more and more. He stands as an icon that maintains public support for the War on Terror. He's the boogeyman, much like Satan. There are people making a great deal of money off the War on Terror and intervention in the Middle East.

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

- Hermann Goering, a leading member of Hitler's Nazi Party

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#42813 - 09/05/10 09:57 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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Wow, I skip a few days, and look what I miss \:\)

This has all the trappings of your typical emotionalism versus rationalism argument, meaning it's pointless. It's the same type of argument you get into when the basis of one side is faith (which, in fact, is the case here). Still, I have been drinking, and it amuses me to respond.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

The simple act of aligning yourself with Islam you are automatically designating yourself as "terrorist" or, at the very least, a supporter.


Incorrect - personal responsibility cuts both ways. That is to say, people are responsible for their own actions, and "Islam" isn't a person. Some people are peaceful and have Islam as their faith, and some people use Islam as a tool to manipulate others.

Watch this LBM trick:

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I'm not fooled by anything.

 Originally Posted By: Oxus
I don't trust this Mosque crap, or any Muslim institution. The article tied that investor into Hamas, a terrorist group. I don't believe for a moment he didn't know what he was doing back then, he's a liar.


But, from the original article, we have:
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When the foundation's leaders were indicted, Attorney General John Ashcroft said, the case was not "a reflection on the well-meaning people who may have donated funds to the foundation.


So we are left with two choices. Either:

A) Steven Emerson, who investigates Hamas for a living, and the federal authorities who convicted the fund management, are incompetent, and Oxus and 6Satan6Archist6 are in possession of evidence that links the guys in the article to Hamas; or

B) Our two compatriots have been manipulated by people using Islam as a tool to leverage their emotions.

How does it feel to be dancing to someone else's tune?

(Predicted response: more ad hominem, weak counterarguments, topic change, etc. As I said, conversations like this really can't go anywhere.)

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Until then I will focus on credible threats.

As a side note, I agree with this. I'm solidly pro-Army - I'd just like to be crystal clear on what we're doing and why before we ask men to go risk their lives for it.

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I give you the best BLT ever.

This I am completely in agreement with.

BLTs rock, and the oven is the best way to cook bacon, although you do need to be careful - if the sheet is not level, the grease will pool at one end, and the strips will cook unevenly.

You also need to time it carefully, as the bacon will be done before it "looks" done (ie what you're used to seeing bacon look like).
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#42821 - 09/06/10 07:33 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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Owning slaves was part of our culture. Voting restricted to men only, that was a part of our culture. Prohitibiting interracial marriage also (up until the 60's). Marriage restricted to heterosexual couples, I predict that will eventually change also. Change is inevitable.

Bring back the slaves!

Culture tends to evolve. While the traditional slave is not that present anymore in todays society Christianity still is.
Cultures tend to evolve, interracial marriage is allowed now, slaves are prohibited,.. blablabla.
But the religion of Christianity is still wired up within the US culture and thus a part of that society. Islam on the other hand isn't. It is part of the life of a VERY small amount of people within the US. As far as I have heard the US is still democratic and thus the choice of the majority is still the deciding one.
This leads to the one conclusion: adapt or shut up.
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#42823 - 09/06/10 11:45 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Dimitri]
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There has never been an absolute democracy here. Fortunately, freedom is protected under the Constitution. Study up on your history again. Not all laws were done away with based on majority vote. In fact, some laws had majority support at the time they were taken off. Some unjust laws were struck simply because they violated the Constitution, including laws related to slavery, women voting, and interracial marriages. Luckily for us, we stand behind such concepts as Freedom of Religion, Separation of Church and State, the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

But you seem to be standing behind a concept where majority (Christianity) rules. You wouldn't happen to be a Christian, are you?

If what you prefer were right and it were truly an absolute democracy, with a majority being Christian things would be much different than they are now. In fact, Christian organizations are on a constant rally to push the very same concept you seem to support ("there's more of us so why is our government protecting the rights of the minority religions"). They would hold you as their hero if you were put in charge!

If there were no Constitution protecting us and there were no restrictions on laws, it would be criminal to work on Sundays, pornography would not be a choice, and it would be against the law to spread any ideas that oppose the church (we wouldn't likely be here on a Satanic board). TV, theater, and music entertainment would be censored and white-washed into obvlivion. Religion would be taught in public schools, and guess what single religion it would be restricted to? Government buildings would have the Ten Commandments and all sorts of Bible verses posted. The Nativity scene would be all over the place on Christmas.

Leads me to one conclusions: you are wrong.

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#42824 - 09/06/10 12:25 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
As far as I have heard the US is still democratic and thus the choice of the majority is still the deciding one.
This leads to the one conclusion: adapt or shut up.


And THIS, Dimitri is the reason for our Constitutional right of Freedom of Speech. It's there to protect the minority and allow them the right to dissent, even in the face of unrelenting odds against them. You don't HAVE to adapt and shut up. Moreover, the correct ideal would be assimilate and speak your piece, so long as you also extend that same right to others, even if you disagree.

The Klan is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

The Communist Party is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

NAMBLA is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

And even when people or concepts are in the majority, but number or ideological acceptance by a preponderance of agreement... we still have the right to dissent. We don't have to agree with them any more than they have to agree with us.
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#42829 - 09/06/10 01:02 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Autodidact]
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Incorrect - personal responsibility cuts both ways. That is to say, people are responsible for their own actions, and "Islam" isn't a person. Some people are peaceful and have Islam as their faith, and some people use Islam as a tool to manipulate others.


No, not incorrect. If you align yourself with the KKK, you support their actions. If you align yourself with NAMBLA you support their actions. If you align yourself with Islam you support all that is done it its name. You have to, that is what your holy book tells you.

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So we are left with two choices. Either:

A) Steven Emerson, who investigates Hamas for a living, and the federal authorities who convicted the fund management, are incompetent, and Oxus and 6Satan6Archist6 are in possession of evidence that links the guys in the article to Hamas; or

B) Our two compatriots have been manipulated by people using Islam as a tool to leverage their emotions.



I never said anything about Steve Emerson and being linked to Hamas. So to attribute that opinion to me is disingenuous. As is following one of my quotes, taken out of context, with a quote from a different poster.

And there is never only two options.

Perhaps I simply have an issue with Islam as whole that sprang forth from my own reading of Quran.

Maybe the fact that they openly talk about wanting to kill Americans simply for being Americans pisses me off because, as an American, I take that as a personal threat to my well-being.

Maybe I am tired of seeing the American government and its people lie down like cowardly dogs anytime Islam raises the rolled newspaper.

Maybe I am sick of people like you who think you know the motivations behind my beliefs; you don't.

When Muslims start clamoring for Sharia Law on US soil, will you tell those who are against it that they are simply being manipulated for other people?

Maybe lay off the booze before posting and you will see that I am not so easy to pin down.
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#42830 - 09/06/10 01:10 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
As far as I have heard the US is still democratic and thus the choice of the majority is still the deciding one.
This leads to the one conclusion: adapt or shut up.


And THIS, Dimitri is the reason for our Constitutional right of Freedom of Speech. It's there to protect the minority and allow them the right to dissent, even in the face of unrelenting odds against them. You don't HAVE to adapt and shut up. Moreover, the correct ideal would be assimilate and speak your piece, so long as you also extend that same right to others, even if you disagree.

The Klan is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

The Communist Party is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

NAMBLA is hardly in the majority, but we listen to what they have to say. We then have the choice of accepting it or rejecting it.

And even when people or concepts are in the majority, but number or ideological acceptance by a preponderance of agreement... we still have the right to dissent. We don't have to agree with them any more than they have to agree with us.


And this is one of the exact reasons I made the decision that my resorces could be better used else where when it came to this Islamic Center. I don't have to like it and can voice that opinion, but I don't have the right to interfer with them building it, which is their Constitutional right, too.

Until there is obtainable proof that this group is linked to a terrorist group, all the hullabaloo is just that, hullabaloo. Speculation without proof is still specualtion and gossip doesn't mean it's accurate either.

We, meaning our country, need to keep a close watch on the place but until then......"Show me the money!"
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#42831 - 09/06/10 01:16 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Syn_Holliday]
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Same-sex marriage supporters were receiving death threats. Miss California, in reaction to her comment disagreeing with same-sex marriage, caused her death threats. Those who were trying to take the cross off the seal of California were receiving death threats. Nearly all celebrities receive death threats. If you believe them all terrorists, then this country is filled with terrorists from pretty much all controversial viewpoints. You're always going to have the emotional idiots who react as such.


The problem is that Muslims, to be sure, are making more death threats than any of those people and are certainly acting on more of them. And all one has to do is depict their pedophile prophet in any way. There is big difference between those who talk, and those who do. The ones who talk don't bother me. It is those who do that I am concerned with.

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Actually I don't know. That's according to U.S. intelligence data from their monitoring of terrorist recruitment efforts. Also, interviews of captured jihadists reveal that homeland invasion is what ultimately drove them to join the fight. Nothing surprising.


Do you have a link to the data?

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You just can't get many average people to blow themselves up just because they hate someone else's religion.


Unless their religion teaches them that suicide is sure-fire way to paradise. Then it seems really alluring. Especially to impressionable kids who taught all about this kind of stuff in school.

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It's protecting their homeland that motivates them, much as the Kamikaze's motivation.


And how can anything they are doing outside of their own country be considered "protecting their homeland"? I fail to see how the blowing up of the WTC or subway lines or any of that is protecting their homeland. Or were the people who worked in the twin towers a threat to the homeland of Muslims? ;\)
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#42838 - 09/06/10 03:28 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Jake999]
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But you seem to be standing behind a concept where majority (Christianity) rules. You wouldn't happen to be a Christian, are you?

Blatant stupidity, if I were a Christian then what would I do here for such a long time?

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There has never been an absolute democracy here. Fortunately, freedom is protected under the Constitution. Study up on your history again.

But you have the idea of living in a democracy, live up to your standards! On the other hand, the constitution is in great need of a reviewed addendum. The constitution on its own is becomming outdated and incomplete for modern standards and society. (And now I am quite sure ignorant comments will come my way for even daring to attack a symbolic paper of freedom. Lest us forget it is but a fucking piece of paper and burns as good as another paper on my bbq).

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If what you prefer were right and it were truly an absolute democracy, with a majority being Christian things would be much different than they are now. In fact, Christian organizations are on a constant rally to push the very same concept you seem to support ("there's more of us so why is our government protecting the rights of the minority religions"). They would hold you as their hero if you were put in charge!
I was speaking from cultural perspective, not totalitarian religious one. You make the assumption religion and politics go hand in hand and that it is a view I carry. WRONG! I am a firm believer religion should be regulated strictly and that it ranks as "leisure", lower, then politics. Christianity should be tolerated since it is a part of the cultural history of the country. Islam is not and should therfor be kicked out. (Note: Atheism is not a religion or a philosophy, but a simple position towards god. Satanism and maybe other philosophies were founded in the US and can be considered to be part of its cultural history.)

You see the concept of "power to the masses" way too narrow and in black and white. There is more into it, especially when it comes to this topic. Religion is but a belief, it is something personal. A great amount of people can stand up and protest to get their religion officialized. But so what? What you do and stand for is more important, and what harm does it bring if they keep their bullshit to themselves? Perhaps there are people who will try to convert, but you'll always have the choice to shoot their fucking brains out, with or without the constitution.

You are starting to annoy me with your obvious stupidity Tinky Winky.

@Jake
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And THIS, Dimitri is the reason for our Constitutional right of Freedom of Speech. It's there to protect the minority and allow them the right to dissent, even in the face of unrelenting odds against them. You don't HAVE to adapt and shut up. Moreover, the correct ideal would be assimilate and speak your piece, so long as you also extend that same right to others, even if you disagree.

As mentioned to Tinky Winky, the constitution is BUT a piece of paper. Agreed it is a paper with much emotional value, it isn't the end line and a person still has the right to ignore and pick out stuff he/she likes. Someone living by the constitution will agree with it for the full 100%, but this topic is the perfect example that even those people who believe in it will change minds when the situation demands it. The constitution is a bit overrated. It simply contains pieces of text a citizen of the US should put up with, in both bad and good situations. Nothing more and equal to an official paper a person may not cross the road when the traffic lights are red.

But once again, you are right I don't have to put up with it or I don't have to adapt and shut up. But it always boils down to personal choice with a good mixing of responsability. But then again, my views are very complex and I seemingly have forgotten to mention I divide culture into different branches (political, religious,art,..) and the underlying numbers of importance I think they should have and how they should behave.

Referring to the constitution isn't even needed to legalize or give reasons why the mosque can be built. If the US-citizen can't put up with it then they should simply raise their voice and ignore the little paper. It's their freedom to ignore it and burn the fucking thing down anyway. And that's something which is also backed up by the constitution.


Edited by Dimitri (09/06/10 03:53 PM)
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#42839 - 09/06/10 03:49 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I think that the idea of protecting their homeland is only valid when you exclude the majority of other terrorist attacks.

Attacks done in India, Turkey, North-Africa and Russia can hardly be called being motivated by homeland intrusion.

Islamic Terrorism Timeline

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I am often asked to guess as to how many Muslims are Jihadists. The easiest answer is: enough to commit the terrorist acts detailed in this 1,000-page-long Islamic Terror Timeline.


A biased website maybe but the data speaks for itself.

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#42862 - 09/07/10 07:45 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Diavolo]
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I find it interesting that all this discussion came about because of an Islamic Center that someone wants to build near Ground Zero. Yet the mere mention of a Quaran burning on 9/11 in the US has stirred the pot this much... http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100907/D9I31BF80.html

And they want us to be tolerant, yet before the book burning even takes place they start this? Really???
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#42863 - 09/07/10 08:12 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Nyte]
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I'm finding myself becoming more and more prejudice against not really Muslims but religion in general. This whole Islamic thing is kind of ridiculous.
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#42867 - 09/07/10 02:21 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
I'm finding myself becoming more and more prejudice against not really Muslims but religion in general. This whole Islamic thing is kind of ridiculous.


This thread itself exemplifies the biggest danger (IMHO) with religion (meaning any religion, not simply organized religion), which is that it purposefully deemphasizes critical thinking in favor of "Yer either with us or agin us."

Now that you've recognized this reality-tunnel, be careful not to simply label "all religious people are wackos", because that's falling back into the same mode - you'd be doing the same thing as they are, just with different labels. Just study the behavior, and learn how it works.
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#42873 - 09/07/10 07:52 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Autodidact]
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General response:

This has become (not surprisingly) little more than a shout point for the crazies in this country. I am well aware of the Islamification of Europe. I know that in the Muslim-run ghettos Sharia law is being enforced among themselves, flying in the face of local laws. I dislike everything about this oppressive and backwards tribal religion. But I have to draw a personal line. By not standing on the same side as the fools who are so blinded by the shallow patriotism they feel for their country, those who are utterly convinced that there is truth in the bullshit sold to them each night as they surf their conspiracy forums, listen to local am radio stations, attend rallies, and tune into to Fox News.

Did you know that here in good ol' Florida, a small church is hosting a "Burn The Koran Day" on 9/11? Guess what else occurs on that day? Eid el Fitr. Awesome job, guys. /facepalm

I mean, it's like being in a hot tub with the people in the pics at peopleofwalmart.com. Gross. I may need to scrub my body with salt and rubbing alcohol to cleanse myself of the stupid.

I'm just disgusted with it all. The mosque supporters AND detractors can all jump into the shark-infested waters off of South Africa and try to make it back to shore. Careful folks, them suckers jump outta da water for der food out 'dere.

Oops! Missed ya! C'mere ya little bastard!
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Mmmmmph! Gotcha now!
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#42877 - 09/08/10 08:42 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Nemesis]
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HA! I love it.
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#42881 - 09/08/10 10:44 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Asmodeus Xaxam]
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Thank you Xaxam. But I have to remind you not to post one-liners (even if they're in agreement with a post or congratulatory). ;\)

It may be a bit harsh, but discouraging one-liners saves space on the forum and makes it less of a chore to read through a thread.

Cheers,
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#42885 - 09/08/10 11:29 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Nemesis]
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I personally love this whole shit. This might be the polarization the West needs to wake up from its self-destructive state. That the West is waking up shows in all those countries having great difficulties forming a government; a direct result of polarization. The golden years are gone and we wake up to the consequences of being the Good Samaritan. People finally realize that life, for most, is nothing but being up to your neck in credit and nothing but gloom in the future. For the first time since years buying a house is a bad investment again and renting is way more sensible. That's a perfect indication shit hit the fan. It makes people uncomfortable and uncomfortable people are the perfect soil.

To make a nation advance, it needs an enemy. Muslims fill that role perfectly. With some luck, they can become to us what the Jews were to the Nazis. And on that fear and disgust, we might, one day, be able to sway the mass into severely change the system. The role of the West is to be dominant; all we need to do is fulfill that role again and get rid of that ridiculous guilt we enforced on ourselves.

Let the memes roll.

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#42889 - 09/08/10 03:22 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
With some luck, they can become to us what the Jews were to the Nazis.


The Germans evidently have plenty to say about the muslims as well. Thilo Sarrazin, at this particular time, is in a little hot water over his opinion (in book form) of transitory migrants (muslims) and their detrimental effects on Germany proper.

One of the beautiful facets of this story is that he can't readily be fired for his comments. The ruling class in Germany (of which he is a member) is furious with him, but the German people are in love with him at the moment and his book is selling like apfelpfannkuchen.
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#42890 - 09/08/10 04:02 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Fnord]
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In Europe free speech is a thing of the past. The controversy about his book or remarks is a fine example of it.

Mind you, I've got nothing against Muslims, besides maybe finding it a pretty retarded religion and even race isn't important to me. I'm a cultural supremacist and believe life, and everything regarding it, is competition. We need conflict to advance. If there hadn't been a Cold War, the advancement of the USA and USSR probably wouldn't have been what it was now. If one doesn't dominate, in time, one becomes dominated.

As such, we need a new enemy to wake up out of this stagnant good-guy phase we're in.

D.

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#42892 - 09/08/10 04:19 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Diavolo]
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Couldn't agree more, Sir, well said.

I remember typing something to that effect in a thread around here about world peace. I think conflict and war are a natural state for mankind to be in. This current trend of political correctness is something I find sickening though, like you, I harbor no ill will towards muslims or any specific group unless they happen to be in my grill. What makes me sick about the whole mosque thing is the overt sentiment of accommodation without reciprocation. If we have to concede something, they have to concede something. A synagogue in mecca would do for starters (though I'd have no personal stake in that) \:\)
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#43203 - 09/26/10 01:01 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Fnord]
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The xenophobia against Muslims is a massive distraction tactic. FOX news is whipping it up and they don't even care; one of their primary investors is a Muslim oil prince.

In a country where so many of us are unemployed, and the rich are nonetheless getting richer, are powerless little Muslims really the thing to be worrying about?

I absolutely do not like the idea of finding any scapegoat simply for the sake of having one.

Come on. Nothing should be more obvious. How can Satanists, our symbol being a goat, defend the idea of scapegoating? Our entire ethos revolves around dispelling the illusion that there is a scary Other among us that needs to be eliminated. We are the Other. Don't you see something similar about terrorism paranoia and the Satanic Panic?

"The West" is not one coherent unit. My father and I moved from Right to Left when we noticed that the whole "take the oil from the Middle East" idea didn't involve using it to truly better the American people, but instead enriched and empowered a tiny clique inside the USA. Even if "the West" has military triumphs, it does not benefit me. Actually it makes it worse -- now we have a war debt which I will be on the hook to pay for my life long. War doesn't just come with the wave of a wand. It's insanely expensive. While some of it goes to civilian-transferable military research, most of it just goes to the annihilation of goods, materials, infrastructure, and humans which/who could be harnessed for progress.

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I'm proud I was there on this last 9/11 defending the mosque. Your scapegoating probably won't work, anyway. Mosque supporters outnumbered mosque protesters.


Edited by Sinthesis (09/26/10 01:04 AM)
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#43211 - 09/26/10 05:49 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Sinthesis]
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The xenophobia against Muslims is a massive distraction tactic. FOX news is whipping it up and they don't even care; one of their primary investors is a Muslim oil prince.

Sounds you are thinking about a (governmental?) conspiracy theory. Besides, so what that a primary investor is a Muslim oil prince? I've known politicians and other "wealthy" and powerfull persons supporting the building of industrial processing plants in non-suited zones. They encountered heavy protest from the persons living there and the whole plan was to be cancelled/moved. (I was one of the protestors and the one that started the whole protest, they were trying to build a asphalt processing plant). If there is enough power against it, then what would a lousy prince do about it.

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In a country where so many of us are unemployed, and the rich are nonetheless getting richer, are powerless little Muslims really the thing to be worrying about?

I think you are underestimating it a bit. They aren't that powerless and neither are you. There are things which go way above money. But I guess the definition of real honor and pride has become too alien for you (and for most of the Western world) to gasp and understand.


Edited by Dimitri (09/26/10 05:56 AM)
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#43219 - 09/26/10 02:10 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Sinthesis]
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It is almost amusing how you condemn the scapegoating of Muslims but apparently don't feel bothered at all to do the same with the "rich".

I guess you assume that if we all just hold hands and wish things to be better, peace on Earth will be the inevitable result.

I expect more realism from a satanist.

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#43221 - 09/26/10 03:37 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Sinthesis]
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These 'powerless little Muslims' unfortunately have 'powerfully great' Extremist groups that take Jihad literally and would like nothing more than YOU dead. This is the latest version in the attempt of Abrahamic despotic control.

 Originally Posted By: Sinthesis
In a country where so many of us are unemployed, and the rich are nonetheless getting richer, are powerless little Muslims really the thing to be worrying about?

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#43224 - 09/26/10 07:20 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Oxus]
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"are powerless little Muslims really the thing to be worrying about?"

Yes, when they strap bombs onto themselves and kill other people, their poor families get a lot of money from the state.

So, lots of poor muslims with poor families blow themselves up for Allah, 72 virgins, and making sure their mom will be taken care of when they are dead.

As for poor, do you really think the poor are going to build this mosque in New York City? The money will come from rich arabs who don't really care about the poor. If they did, they would actually take care of them back home, and improve the standard of living.

It's about money, and building a mosque next to/near the site of one of their victories over the great Satan that America's twin towers represented.

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#43230 - 09/26/10 09:44 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Sinthesis]
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This is the second time you've replied directly to me and attempted, by your reply, to insinuate that I've said something I've not said.

There is a feature on all modern boards called "quote". Quote something I've written and then attempt to refute it.

Like this:

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I'm proud I was there on this last 9/11 defending the mosque. Your scapegoating probably won't work, anyway. Mosque supporters outnumbered mosque protesters.


That you'd waste your time defending a right hand religion tells me the rest of what I need to know.

You should probably find a more suitable place to show off your brightly polished good guy badge. It won't buy you any respect in these hallways.
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#46817 - 01/14/11 09:43 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6


Who did we invade that caused 9/11?



think back to that glorious time after the second world war...

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#47276 - 01/23/11 09:27 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: anseoasresere]
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I guess you assume that if we all just hold hands and wish things to be better, peace on Earth will be the inevitable result.

I expect more realism from a satanist.



The modern scientific view of the world has created a considerable problem for religion, e.g. Islam. It has brought forth Atheism and Nihilism. The mechanistic view destroyed the basis on which all teleological systems in religion rested (e.g. Islam), and opened up Nihility at the base of the world leaving no place for God. This abyss of Nihility was opened up basal to human existence. Existentialism developed, and what it had to say: 'Insist that one's subjectivity can be established only in the realization of Nihility which is a direct consequence of the awareness of the Nihility brought about by modern science.'

Contemporary Atheism is not materialistic, but a more radical, existential Atheism which takes Nihility without God as the basis of freedom. One person to do so was Friedrich Nietzsche who proclaimed the arrival of western Nihilism about a century and a-half ago through his insight into the nature of science and human destiny.

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#47778 - 02/01/11 11:43 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: paolo sette]
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General Reply:

It's interesting how this thing has just completely died out. If you google search "Mosque Ground Zero" or some other assembly of like terms you will see that the last of the major news outlets stopped reporting on this in August.

At that time, this was a matter of national security, an event of great social import, an affront to the 9/11 victims... and now? Is the thing being quietly finished without further public discourse?

There is an important lesson to be learned here. Did you see it?
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#47874 - 02/02/11 08:58 AM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Fnord]
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This happens everytime a complete nonissue enters the news and is hyped up to be so huge. It just returns to irrelevance faster than it became a "controversy". I didn't learn anything new.
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#47881 - 02/02/11 12:05 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Babylonian Dream]
Nyte Offline
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Registered: 10/19/09
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Loc: Ohio
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

It makes me wonder if the person that started this whole thing got exactly what they were hoping for. Were they running for office and this was a great diversion so that people would vote for them and not pay attention to said person's "background"? Or was someone just so set on not wanting that to be built there that all the media coverage made the financial backers pull out from funding the place? And everyone should know there were much more important issues that should have been addressed during the voting, but hey, let's keep the boogeyman alive and well.
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#47901 - 02/02/11 05:07 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: Nyte]
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Registered: 08/28/07
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Loc: Connecticut
I almost used the OZ line last here night. Nyte punched the right ticket...

Whenever the mainstream media all get on the same boat and start the "hey you look here" bullshit it's time to start looking everywhere but.

~T~

I like eggs...
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#48071 - 02/04/11 08:15 PM Re: That friggin' Mosque! [Re: ta2zz]
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I guess they just keep their business low key.

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