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#42991 - 09/12/10 02:17 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: felixgarnet]
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 Originally Posted By: felixgarnet
 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
Apparently, Pastor Terry Jones lost his nerve and gave in to pressure: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39113743

This is just one more victory for Islam and it shows that Americans are truly weak.


LOL! I hope you meant this is a sarcastic quip, Knievel. What it means is not that Americans are "weak" but that occasionally, just occasionally, one of their more insane pastors realizes that he's a pathetic prick who'd be better off burning his own books and refraining from adding fuel to a fire that is already hot enough, thank you.


I agree with you. But the point I was making isn't that I think my countrymen are weak but that the Islamic extremists will think this proves it. I can't help but think that they'll see it as another victory against America. Apologies. I should have made it clearer.

President Obama asked Pastor Jones to honor American values and not burn the Quran. But freedon of speech is an American value. He had every right to do it as long as he did it within the confines of the law.

In researching what Pastor Jones had planned, he originally wanted to burn a Quran in the name of Christianity. But because of all the press he received it quickly got out of control. It's obvious that he didn't realize - at least in my opinion - what he had gotten himself into.

Now me, being the stubborn and thick-headed S.O.B. that I am, would have done it anyway. Just as what 6Satan6 said in a previous post, it's about standing up to the schoolyard bully.

It's about time ordinary people take a stand against Islam.
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#42992 - 09/12/10 02:17 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: Knievel74]
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 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
Apparently, Pastor Terry Jones lost his nerve and gave in to pressure: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39113743

This is just one more victory for Islam and it shows that Americans are truly weak.


I do not see it as a victory for Islam. What would burning a bunch of books do to this following? Nothing. It wouldn't prove anything to anyone in the end. The meaning wouldn't justify the end, just my opinion.
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#42993 - 09/12/10 02:43 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
Apparently, Pastor Terry Jones lost his nerve and gave in to pressure: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39113743

This is just one more victory for Islam and it shows that Americans are truly weak.


I do not see it as a victory for Islam. What would burning a bunch of books do to this following? Nothing. It wouldn't prove anything to anyone in the end. The meaning wouldn't justify the end, just my opinion.


Please read my last reply. It's right above yours. This may help clarify my point.

Burning books would prove that not everyone is going to bow down and take B.S from an archaic. oppressive. violent religion that so far, at least in some European countries, has been getting it's way. The extemists want everyone, whether they're Muslim or not, to follow what's written in the Quran. That's bullshit. The Quran is to be followed and respected by Muslims and Muslims only. Everyone else has the right to draw the image of Mohammed or use the pages of the Quran to light their cigars.

I just got a great idea for a sitcom: Mohammed And The Man. It's about Mohammed working as an auto mechanic in East L.A and he has a grumpy old Christian man as his boss who uses pages of the Quran to clean out his colostomy bag.

The theme song will be written by Freddy Fender \:\)
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#42994 - 09/12/10 03:03 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: Knievel74]
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Surely, you do not really believe that this will incite some kind of turning over of a new leaf? I would think that burning these books would almost be the same as burning the bible. A lot of angry people but not too much more than a slap in the face to these people. Of course, if that is what you are going for, then so be it. It does not change, however, what happened on 9/11 and the idea that it would, is more fantasy than anything else.

I think the only purpose that it might serve is to anger many and just to clear the palate of anger we feel ourselves from the attacks of 9/11. If used as mental therapy, even that may not work for those who were more wronged in the loss of family members.. In fact, it might make it even worse.. bringing up the point that burning these books actually may create a more serious problem of elevated attacks on innocent people.

I do not believe that they are all innocent.. and we do have people on our soil that need to be wheedled out of society so that we are not hit from behind again, but it is necessary to think of the steps we are taking to show our anger in order to avoid future attacks in lieu of past actions.

I do not believe what was done on 9/11 was right as any American doesn't.. however, whatever you believe from religious movement to conspiracy theories of there being trip bombs in the World Trade Centers before the planes hit or the new theory popping up about it being an inside job.. we all have to be responsible adults in the thoughts that "if I do this, what else might happen from it". Not everything that shows that we aren't going to bend over and take it up the ass is something that is going to have a positive effect on us.

In the end, I am simply saying that every action has a reaction and the reaction is what should be thought of before the action takes place. We wouldn't want this mass burning to either a. turn into another reason for attack or b. turn into an excuse for other Americans to show their non bending over ways in more violent excess than is needed would we?
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#42997 - 09/12/10 07:44 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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In the end, I am simply saying that every action has a reaction and the reaction is what should be thought of before the action takes place.


How about taking into consideration what “No action,” will result in.

It has gotten to a point to where American civilians are afraid to burn some stupid books, and the flame of that fear is encouraged even by the president of the United States. (Hey I just made a pun. Get it? Book burning, flame of fear?)

If burning of certain books is truly meaningless, then what’s the big deal?
I would argue that the burning of the Koran is quite meaningful indeed for both sides and the response of the masses show that.

It has gotten to the point where Islam has put so much fear into the general public that burning some paper with writing on it must be feared to cause another Islamic spanking.

Artists, film producers and entertainers are already being sensored for their potrayal of Islamic ideas. Look at that poor fuck in (Belgium is it?) Who made an honest film about what Islam is like in some parts of the world, and HE is the one on trial now. The court there has gone as far to admit that he portrayed facts, but they are putting him on trial anyway because he insulted a group of people for telling the truth about them. HUH? What the fuck??


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#43003 - 09/12/10 10:43 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: Asmedious]
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http://theync.com/media.php?name=17617-man-ignites-koran
(No embed code. Sorry.)

The actual "burning" is pathetic but he's got one over on the Florida guy.
Why is everyone into burning books? Has anyone considered recycling?

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#43006 - 09/13/10 01:28 AM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: Knievel74]
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In human interactivity any discretionary action causes consequences, which of course may include emotional ones in other humans.

So in making any decision to do a particular action, you should estimate those consequences [including ripple-effect, unintended ones] first. As my Italian father put it, "Sometimes the fucking you get is not worth the fucking you take."

Related to this: "Win the war, not the battle." Or, as I like to phrase it, "Never fall on your sword in the semi-finals."

Black Magicians should never lose control of their reason to their emotions. [Thank you, Mr. Spock.]
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#43012 - 09/13/10 09:44 AM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: Knievel74]
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Yesterday, my grinning son walks up to me, without a word, and hands me a CD. On it, he's printed the word "QUR'AN".

As he's walking away I ask, 'what's this?', he says 'I downloaded the text for you.'

After a few moments I realize that he's "burned" the QUR'AN. What a smart-ass.

For the record, Knievel, I get your point. It's like being pushed around and then chickening out in doing anything about it. It seems a lot of folks in this country don't mind being pushed around (or herded). That said, the Doc and others on this thread are right about reason > emotion.

As for this:

 Originally Posted By: Big Whitey
 Originally Posted By: Lamar
Big Whitey. So you are basicly saying that Islamic terrorists did not hijack aircraft and fly into the towers?


Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.


There was at least some hoodwinking going on that day and plenty that doesn't make sense. Start the thread, Big Whitey, could be interesting.
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#43018 - 09/13/10 09:23 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: Big Whitey]
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Ah, Terry Jones, the pastor of muppets.

The funny thing about all this Quran burning shite is that if the media didn't pay any attention to it, it wouldn't have been significant whatsoever. But seeing as it was the holy texts of Islam, they fucking latch onto it like a bunch of leeches, and make it a massive deal, when, at the end of the day, all he was doing was burning paper. And lets face it; racism and other forms segregation are brilliant ways to grab people's attention in the world.

And this all rings true with one phrase that sounds off in my mind;

Religion: the root of all evil.
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#43019 - 09/13/10 11:37 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
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In the end, I am simply saying that every action has a reaction and the reaction is what should be thought of before the action takes place.


How about taking into consideration what “No action,” will result in.

It has gotten to a point to where American civilians are afraid to burn some stupid books, and the flame of that fear is encouraged even by the president of the United States. (Hey I just made a pun. Get it? Book burning, flame of fear?)

If burning of certain books is truly meaningless, then what’s the big deal?
I would argue that the burning of the Koran is quite meaningful indeed for both sides and the response of the masses show that.

It has gotten to the point where Islam has put so much fear into the general public that burning some paper with writing on it must be feared to cause another Islamic spanking.

Artists, film producers and entertainers are already being sensored for their potrayal of Islamic ideas. Look at that poor fuck in (Belgium is it?) Who made an honest film about what Islam is like in some parts of the world, and HE is the one on trial now. The court there has gone as far to admit that he portrayed facts, but they are putting him on trial anyway because he insulted a group of people for telling the truth about them. HUH? What the fuck??


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For some this may be fear that holds them back from expressing themselves in such a manner. In fact, that may just be the case here. I understand this, as do I understand the meaning behind doing something before doing nothing causes more harm than good. I am not saying that there should not be any kind of action taken, simply that there should be more thought put into it.

Yes, the burning of this book would quite incite the emotional result that is wanted from said activity. However, again I state, the responsibility of the aftermath also belong to us. Whether or not it is as large as 9/11 was.

Do I believe that a large group of Americans fear this group of people? Yes. Do I believe that there are peaceful groups of these same people that fear the hell out of Americans and it is unwarranted? Yes. Do I believe that all Americans fear them? Absolutely not.

As for the guy that is now standing trial.. Yes, this is indeed a load of bullshit. We must remember though, that not everyone believes that "honesty is the best policy". Especially in other countries that do not withhold the same set standards that we do here in America.


 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Yesterday, my grinning son walks up to me, without a word, and hands me a CD. On it, he's printed the word "QUR'AN".

As he's walking away I ask, 'what's this?', he says 'I downloaded the text for you.'

After a few moments I realize that he's "burned" the QUR'AN. What a smart-ass.



Ah, today's kids. You gotta love them don't ya?


 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
In human interactivity any discretionary action causes consequences, which of course may include emotional ones in other humans.

So in making any decision to do a particular action, you should estimate those consequences [including ripple-effect, unintended ones] first. As my Italian father put it, "Sometimes the fucking you get is not worth the fucking you take."

Related to this: "Win the war, not the battle." Or, as I like to phrase it, "Never fall on your sword in the semi-finals."

Black Magicians should never lose control of their reason to their emotions. [Thank you, Mr. Spock.]


Exactly.
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#43027 - 09/15/10 12:34 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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I'm in total agreement with thinking before acting. But after someone's weighed all the sides and are ready to face the consequences, then I say go for it. As long as they're not hurting anyone or violating anyone else's rights.

If we don't take a stand for what we believe in, then why are we on this planet?
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#43028 - 09/15/10 01:06 PM Re: Florida Pastor officially cancels Quran burning [Re: Knievel74]
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 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
If we don't take a stand for what we believe in, then why are we on this planet?

We evolved from the garbage left here by a passing spaceship that stopped for lunch, of course.

As for TASFWWBI:

 Originally Posted By: James Bond in Ian Fleming's Casino Royale, 1953
Of course patriotism comes along and makes it seem fairly all right, but this "my country right or wrong" business is getting a little out of date. Today we are fighting communism. Okay. If I’d been alive fifty years ago, the brand of conservatism we have today would have been damn near called communism, and we should have been told to go and fight that. History is moving pretty quickly these days, and heroes and villains keep changing parts.
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