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#43479 - 10/06/10 04:48 PM Cellular Telephone Radiation
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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Questions about health-damaging radiation from cellular telephones have been bouncing around for some years now, and I think many people tend to dismiss it as just another urban myth. Nevertheless consider this program broadcast yesterday on KPFA. And here is one Internet resource for possible protection.
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#43480 - 10/06/10 05:04 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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Of all the things in the world that can maim and/or kill me, cellphone radiation is not one that I am particularly concerned about. It seems that one would have to use their cellphone excessively for quite some time before and real damage can be done.
It seems like everything causes cancer these days; if it isn't the cellphones that get you, lead or second-hand smoke will.

Over all I would be more worried about a satellite falling out of orbit and crushing me to death than cellphone radiation. Though Cellphone Elbow might pose a serious threat. \:D
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#43481 - 10/06/10 05:06 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Probably the biggest danger of cell phones is if you're driving while talking at one and hit me.

They tell me that the surgery to remove a cell phone from your ass can be quite painful.
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#43485 - 10/06/10 10:33 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Jake999]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
Probably the biggest danger of cell phones is if you're driving while talking at one and hit me. They tell me that the surgery to remove a cell phone from your ass can be quite painful.

Reminds me of G. Gordon Liddy's anecdote about his early handgun training in the FBI. He asked the instructor whether one should shoot to wound or shoot to kill. The Agent said, "Well, if you plan on shooting to wound, make sure to file the front sight off your gun, so it won't hurt so much when he jams it up your ass."

I'll be interested in comments from anyone who's listened to the broadcast. Concerning the linked reduction/protection devices, I'm most impressed by the Pong case [here's another review], though it is apparently available for only the iPhone & Blackberry.
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#43488 - 10/07/10 10:05 AM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I have to be in agreeance with 6Satan6Archist6. It just sounds like a story from the Daily Mail paper from UK (See here for more)

Then again, every part of human society these days is involved with scare mongering. If it's not about terrorism, it's about getting cancer or secrets of slaughterhouses or whatever. Whatever happened to getting on with life in peace and quiet and not taking issue with absolutely everything?

(Please excuse my going off on a tangent. Had to put up with an amazingly annoying guy that takes issue with EVERYTHING in the world for the last few months. Socialist and vegan. Surprised? I'll bet not...)
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#43489 - 10/07/10 10:35 AM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Fnord Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

I'll be interested in comments from anyone who's listened to the broadcast.


Well, the first thing that comes to mind is that cases like this are the ones that poke holes in my philosophy in support of capitalism and big business. I don't think I've made a secret of my beliefs in that arena, but hearing how the FCC and the cell phone companies are in collusion to push off untested (and potentially dangerous) products on the unsuspecting masses (including me and mine) pisses me off and just encourages me to burrow deeper into my own hermitage.

I think I'll probably order Dr. Davis' book. I think she makes interesting points and I will be checking out what she says as I have two in my care who use cell phones regularly.

One of the guys on the show sort of casually mentioned perchlorates (jet fuel in drinking water) so I started to read up on that too.

I like the one commentator's assessment that society is in a 'rush to' mode. I realize that this is, in part, due to frantic competition to introduce the next big thing. We go through those cycles here at work where it's balls out damn the consequences.

I don't know. I was ready to listen to this and be dismissive about it but it blurred some lines for me.

As usual, you've posted something that's made me stop and think about things. Much appreciated!
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#43491 - 10/07/10 02:24 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Fnord]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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I don't recall the interview talking much about commercially-available shielding devices, but rather about some $0 common-sense options, such as minimizing direct-head use (with cord-earphones, Bluetooth, or speakerphone), not sleeping with the phone on next to your head or under your pillow (?!), that sort of thing.

That "Your Own Health & Fitness" program on KPFA is always interesting; Layna B. is a sharp cookie and drenches you with information. The only problem is that you learn about so many unpleasant health things (many of which you can do nothing about) that you wonder how you can make it through the rest of the day without keeling over from the air or your drinking water.

I remember her interviewing some specialist M.D. about women's menopausal/subsequent problems. The question came up why this has only been an area of special medical interest in the last century or so. The M.D. said, "Until then many women died prior to menopause, so it wasn't a problem." Um, OK.
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#43498 - 10/07/10 04:14 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Interesting show. Although I got a little turned off with the non stop pledge drive and how the female host said that when she's been on her computer for too long she has this uncanny impulse to shop online. As if the computer is influencing her to do it

I've always heard the possible link to cell phones and cancer. If cell phones use radiation to power them then it makes perfect sense. Smoke detectors in our homes use radiation to detect smoke, that's why it's recommended that we don't burn them when we discard them.

We're exposed to radiation in our everyday lives. I don't see the harm in turning off our phones or using a different device when we talk into them.
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#43500 - 10/07/10 05:25 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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Some interesting comments on the Pong website, and this report makes for interesting reading as well.
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#43515 - 10/08/10 11:18 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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General reply:

This is mostly old news... I remember reading somewhere that a study done years ago proved that cell phone radiation does cause growths/tumors not always cancerous. Canít find the link now because of everything pointing to current news.

Something was said about the research being done started with people who had used the old analog style cell phone. 10-15 years seemed to be the magic number and that is within reach of many of us here. I remember the conclusion was it is probably worse for children.

There you have it a silver lining a reason to tell your ďunder 18 yr oldĒ no you donít need a cell phone. I see many kids not much older than 7 getting phones here in CT. Luckily my ďkidĒ is a Boxer and she has little want for a cell phone.

Seems blue tooth, wifi, power lines and many other things emit radiation. I must ask is blue tooth radiation so much less or better for you than the phone itself or it just hasnít been studied yet?

Poisons surround us they fill the shelves, your car, your home. Corn is now classified as a pesticide, great huh? Most seeds now owned and patented by Mosanto Want to be scared for the future read up on that company.

Psttttt Donít drink the prozac!

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#43516 - 10/09/10 01:00 AM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: ta2zz]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Seems blue tooth, wifi, power lines and many other things emit radiation. I must ask is blue tooth radiation so much less or better for you than the phone itself or it just hasnít been studied yet?

Bluetooth summarized here.

I caveat again that I'm really a non-expert in any of this; I just thought the KPFA broadcast interesting enough to pass along FYI.
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#43517 - 10/09/10 03:19 AM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Like all things it all comes down to probability. You don't use a cell phone you're a bit less probable to get brain cancer. You avoid the sun you're a bit less probable to get skin cancer. You wear loafers you're less probably to trip on your shoelaces and break your neck.

It takes a much bigger expected probability of danger for me to avoid something that makes my life easier.

Still the levels of radiation and their possible effects should be studied and understood even if the threat does appear minuscule.


Edited by TV is God (10/09/10 03:21 AM)

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#43649 - 10/16/10 11:53 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: TV is God]
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Although I agree with TiG that the possible harmful effects of cell phone radiation should continue to be studied, I certainly wonít lose any sleep worrying about it. In fact, to bastardize FDRís famous quote, Iíd say that the main thing we have to worry about is worry itself.

America is a nation of worriers. We worry about the economy, about war, about disease, etc. While we should definitely do what we can to protect ourselves, we really need to do a better job of stopping, taking a deep breath and relaxing. Yes, things suck; yes, things are dangerous. Thatís life. Enjoy it as much as you can while you can.
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#43664 - 10/17/10 03:32 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: William Wright]
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So true, William. God almighty, I'm sick of being expected to worry about everything from bombs in waste bins to dodgy prawn sandwiches. There's a new boogie-man every week here in the UK, too; I think mobile phone radiation is over now and the latest thing is dead mice in bread. *Eye roll*
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#43665 - 10/17/10 03:53 PM Re: Cellular Telephone Radiation [Re: William Wright]
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Not so long ago I read an ariticle in Scientific American magazine that said you can't get cancer from cellphone radiation. Then the article went on to give a bunch of numbers about radiation output and how much it takes to damage cells n' what not. I wish I could tell you more but the magazine is locked away at work.

I usually text anyway.

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