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#43537 - 10/09/10 11:57 PM It's Official: America is a Police State
Clarence Offline
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I should preface this by expressing my undying love for Big Brother. XXXOOO

On Sept. 24th, agents of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raided the homes of several anti-war activists in Minneapolis and Chicago as well as North Carolina and Michigan at approximately 8:00 am central time. These raids are being conducted as part of an FBI sting operation carried out by the “Joint Terrorism Task Force” to harass arrest and detain peace activists across the country. This has resulted in federal search warrants being issued and SWAT teams being called upon to raid civilian homes. The FBI also distributed several subpoenas ordering the activists to testify before a federal grand jury on charges of “supporting terrorism” in October. Thus far, those raided have refused to speak to the FBI about their political views or organizing activities. The FBI is threatening to investigate them all on terrorism charges.

The most prominent victims of these investigations are Mick Kelly, a Minneapolis anti-war activist who announced his plans to protest the Democratic National Convention in 2010, and Jessica Sundin, one of the organizing leaders of the 10,000-strong 2008 march against the Republican National Convention. Both have denied being involved in any illegal activities. Raids were also carried out against Tracy Molm (Students for a Democratic Society in Minnesota) and Meredith Aby (Twin-Cities Anti-War Committee). Other names have not been disclosed. Among the activists and organizations targeted were the Twin-Cities Anti-War Committee, the Palestine Solidarity Group, Students for a Democratic Society, the Colombia Action Network and Freedom Road Socialist Organization. Many of the raided activists also helped to organize the successful anti-war protests at the Minneapolis RNC in 2008.

Supporters gathered at a press conference at 4:00 pm in front of one of the raided homes to protest and denounce the events of the morning, organized by the Anti-War Committee, Students for a Democratic Society and the Welfare Rights Committee. An article from Indymedia recalls one of the raids:

“Outside Hard Times Cafe, three unmarked black SUVs (one with an Illinois license plate) sat in the parking area as of 10am, when a lawyer observed 8 FBI agents sitting in the residence examining materials. Otherwise the scene was calm. Agents had broken in the door there at 7am Friday morning, breaking an aquarium in the process. The Federal search warrants appear to be focusing on seizing electronic devices, international travel, and allegeing “co-conspirators.” They do not authorize arrests. The search warrant for 1823 Riverside, the residence of activist Mick Kelly, sought information “regarding ability to pay for his own travel” to Palestine and Columbia from 2000 to today. The warrant hyped potential documents indicating any contacts/facilitation with FARC, PFLP, and Hezbollah – what it called “FTOs” or “foreign terrorist organizations”. It mentioned seeking information on the alleged “facilitation of other individuals in the US to travel to Colombia, Palestine and any other foreign location in support of foreign terrorist organizations including but not limited to FARC, PFLP and Hezbollah”. An FBI spokesman Steve Warfield confirmed that six Minneapolis homes were raided this morning.

The warant also sought information on “Kelly’s travel to and from and presence in MN, and other foreign countries [sic] to which Kelly has taveleled as part of his work in FRSO [Freedom Road Socialist Organization”, as well as materials related to his finances and the finances of FRSO, and all computer and electronic devices” (1).

http://theredphoenix.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/fbi-targets-american-anti-war-activists/

Does anyone else have similar stories of interest?

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#43764 - 10/23/10 04:26 AM Re: It's Official: America is a Police State [Re: Clarence]
Simon Jester Offline
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Registered: 10/24/09
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Okay it's not exactly the FBI persecuting ant-iwar protesters in a dodgy anti-terror raid, but for those who do not keep up with the news - http://wikileaks.org/ has disgorged a second installment of leaked military documents:

"US and UK officials have insisted that no official record of civilian casualties exists but the logs record 66,081 non-combatant deaths out of a total of 109,000 fatalities."

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/10/22/wikileaks-war-logs-391832-iraq-war-files-released-to-media/


Also of interest: Wikileaks Hacked By “Very Skilled” Attackers Prior To Iraq Doc Release

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/20...cechannelforbes

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#43775 - 10/24/10 03:56 AM The death of reason [Re: Simon Jester]
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"The first rule of censorship is that you cannot talk about censorship."

WikiLeaks: America Blacklisted Us, Screwed Up Funding

WikiLeaks funding has been cut off thanks to what Julian Assange calls financial warfare by the US government. In an email to Assange, Moneybookers, the company that collected donations for WikiLeaks, said it was closing WikiLeaks' account “following the recent publicity and subsequent addition of the WikiLeaks entity to blacklists in Australia and watchlists in the USA.”

Moneybookers’ decision came on Aug. 13, just days after the Pentagon publicly threatened reprisals against WikiLeaks. Moneybookers tells the Guardian that it “never had any request, inquiry, or correspondence from any authority regarding this former customer,” but couldn’t explain how that squared with the email’s mention of a blacklist. Assange, meanwhile, is furious. “This is likely to cause a huge backlash against Moneybookers,” the WikiLeaks founder predicts. “Craven behavior in relation to the US government is unlikely to be seen sympathetically.”

http://www.newser.com/story/102978/wikileaks-us-blacklisted-us-screwed-up-funding.html


Wikileaks: Release has exposed the terrifying reality of the Iraq War

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...e-Iraq-War.html

And for some older news -

ACMA confirms blacklisting WikiLeaks

http://www.itexaminer.com/australias-internet-censor-bares-its-gums.aspx

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/03/australia-censo/#ixzz13G4vntZ2

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#44261 - 11/20/10 03:12 AM FOR YOUR BENEFIT [Re: Clarence]
Moravagine Offline
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I expect that a lot of us probably view this terrorism hoopla as pure nonsense. Regardless, it seems that we might be subject to a cavity search before boarding a plane within the US.

America. Land of the brave.

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TSA Makes Cancer Victim Remove Prosthetic Breast


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/19/national/main7070415.shtml

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Senators and TSA Defend "Love Pats" at Airports



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/17/national/main7063414.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

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Outraged Bloggers Claiming TSA Sexual Assault


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504464_162-20023015-504464.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

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#44262 - 11/20/10 04:02 AM Re: FOR YOUR BENEFIT [Re: Moravagine]
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Terrorism is the art of making people afraid.

How much in inconvenience, time, energy, money has all this security cost the US industry, nation and individuals?

Win win situation for terrorists.
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#44264 - 11/20/10 04:21 AM Re: FOR YOUR BENEFIT [Re: mabon2010]
Moravagine Offline
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Terrorism is the art of making people afraid.



Granted. But just how successful have these supposed terrorists been in promoting fear? Seriously. The Times Square, Christmas Day and recent Parcel threats have all been ludicrous (and rather conveniently timed, in the latter instance). Then there are those persistently ominous al Quaeda broadcasts which bear no relation whatsoever to the reality of the situation. The worlds most wanted man is living comfortably with his family in Pakistan, and with all of our intelligence and resources, we are apparently powerless?

We need hyperbole. We need villains. Without these diversions our imperialist agendas might seem less tasteful.

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#44265 - 11/20/10 06:09 AM Re: FOR YOUR BENEFIT [Re: Moravagine]
mabon2010 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Moravagine

Granted. But just how successful have these supposed terrorists been in promoting fear?


Very successful.

Look at the examples in this thread - America has gone into lockdown.

How much does all that security cost? How much has two pointless wars cost the USA? Americans have lost many liberties, rights and freedoms since 9/11.

As pathetic as some of the recent plots have been, they have created a vast climate of fear, which is what the terrorists have wanted.

The terrorist plays America like a finger puppet.
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#44266 - 11/20/10 06:38 AM Re: FOR YOUR BENEFIT [Re: mabon2010]
Clarence Offline
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Registered: 01/14/10
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I suppose it's a moot point arguing just who exactly is responsible for any associated panic - the government, media or "terrorists".

I suspect the endless conflict(s) we are engaged in are not profitless. There may be no forseeable resolution, but there are substantial gains to be had by these maraudings. Munitions and re-construction contracts, mining rights, accrued taxes from military personnel, private security, supply and logistics etc. etc. War is big business.

Many nations have lost certain freedoms post 9/11. A cynic might suggest that something of that nature is every governments wet dream - a tangible excuse to tighten their control on the populace.

Conversely, America plays Americans like a goddamn puppet \:\/

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#44339 - 11/21/10 05:37 PM WE'RE FROM AMERICA - IT'S WHERE JESUS WAS BORN [Re: mabon2010]
Moravagine Offline
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HST had a wonderful grasp of this ballyhoo. Startled by a noise outside, he fires his shotgun into the darknes - in the general direction of his Peacocks. The terrorists. They're out there - they're stealing our oil!

Maybe people are afraid - of ghosts and media bogey men. Who knows? Gun sales doubled in California after the '69 August 9 - 10 double event. From my perspective though, the government is far more likely to inconvenience us than some Jihadist.

Would it be unreasonable to suggest that bin Laden is a paid operative of the US? He has definitely served its interests

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#44448 - 11/25/10 04:58 AM N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Clarence]
Simon Jester Offline
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Registered: 10/24/09
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I'm positively giddy. This is the first really promising conflict I've witnessed in all my days. Still keeping an eye on Burma. Fingers crossed. \:\)

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"If the warmongering South Korean puppets fail to return to their senses and commit another reckless military provocation, our army will carry out second and third rounds of powerful physical retaliatory strikes without hesitation."



The warning came as the US and South Korean navies plan to hold a four-day naval exercise in the Yellow Sea from Sunday that will involve a strike group headed by aircraft carrier the USS George Washington.

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South Korea also said on Thursday it would "sharply increase military forces, including ground troops, on the five islands in the Yellow Sea and allocate more of its budget toward dealing with North Korea's asymmetrical threats".


Wait and hope.

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#44449 - 11/25/10 08:44 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Simon Jester]
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As much as I wish we could stay out of this one, it doesn't look like the US will be able to. I don't know why you would be so excited by this Simon. This is not something that the US needs. The US, these people, CAN NOT afford another war and especially one that would be as horrible as this one would turn out to be. This would make Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan look like policing actions, all combined.

The ONLY thing that might come out of this that could be good, would possibly be that the US may have to start manufacturing our own goods again. The industrial/manufacturing age may have to return to some degree and that would be a plus. Would we stop importing from China? I can only hope!!

Do we NEED another war? NO!
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#44451 - 11/25/10 10:17 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Nyte]
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Some wars should be fought. We may not want to pay the price, but wanting and needing are two different things.

Hegemonic conflicts are brewing everywhere, and in the current political climate they are largely growing unchecked. In a way, the little sparks that set off these conflicts are welcome events in that they force the hand of the decision makers.

No one doubts the U.S. ability to take on any and all enemies in any conflict. This conflict may not look very tempting right now, but it could represent a welcome shot in the arm to the U.S. economy.
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#44495 - 11/27/10 02:21 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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I completely understand what you're saying SkaffenAmtiskaw. I know that this country "can't" afford another war but that doesn't mean that we don't "need" another one. This one could change many things, both good and bad.

I've been reading up on this whole situation with North and South Korea. I've spoken to many people that have also been following the situation. Whatever happens it will force hands that have needed to be forced, but that doesn't mean I want them to be forced. My main concern is with the nuclear weapons because I can see either China or North Korea using them without even batting an eye. They don't care enough about their own people, so why care about anyone else?

I can see many things that have needed to change that will change because of this conflict, things like the US manufacturing and Industrial industries. We need those things to start to grow and develop again. We need to stop importing everything and anything, start manufacturing again, and I can see that happening. That could very well be a BIG plus. Perhaps the one thing I really do hope for in all of this is, that the US breaks free from the dependency we currently have on goods from China. Their products are killing us, in more ways than one.

What else does concern me, is that our own military is stretched everywhere around this globe and that could be a VERY bad thing should this squirmish escalate very rapidly. If we move the majority of our troops there, this could leave us wide open to attacks here if our boarders aren't restricted, or even closed. IF we leave even part of our troops any where else, they could be left open to even more attacks because they won't be "covered" like they should. Our officials can play out all the military games they want, but this could make it very ugly for a very long time. More costly than they can imagine and not just with money, but with lives as well. I wonder how many other people (average Joes) have thought about the "long term" affects, looking well past the immediate threat of war with the likes of North Korea and China.

My understanding is that North Korea doesn't have much to lose, and China doesn't really care what it loses. That can make for a very determined opponent, willing to put everything on the line, costs (financially and human lives alike) be damned.

Yep, I'm concerned, very concerned and will be watching closely.
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#44511 - 11/28/10 11:48 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Nyte]
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It's taking too long... I had hoped N. Korea might've sunk the George Washington, and sent us all to the devil. Guess they lack the balls. Now I'm deflated. Where the hell is my nuclear holocaust???

Militarily we are overextended, the nation is vulnerable. That is the penalty for playing "Peacekeeper" (read: Pirate, Marauder, Assassin, Thief). But I doubt the US is going to engage a foreign party in a ground-war on home soil. Ever. If there is a serious conflict, it will be waged from a distance. Think Red Alert/Strangelove.

I've never been an idealist. I do not hope for a better future. History has shown us for what we are: febrile, malicious, arrogant and stupid. There is a lovely symmetry to all of this. I cannot imagine a more fitting end... I wait and hope, feebly.



Teen in Oregon Bomb Sting to Be Arraigned

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704700204575642900598623706.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

America: Land of Police State Persecution
by Stephen Lendman

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m71497&hd=&size=1&l=e

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#44513 - 11/29/10 01:14 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Simon Jester]
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"I've never been an idealist. I do not hope for a better future. History has shown us for what we are: febrile, malicious, arrogant and stupid. There is a lovely symmetry to all of this. I cannot imagine a more fitting end... I wait and hope, feebly."

Geeze, another one with a death wish. I have no plans on dying. I don't wish for a nuclear holocaust either.

If you really want things to end, think you are your own god,and don't believe in an afterlife, what are you waiting for? Create your own end, and bring the silence to yourself.

Whatever, next....

Morgan
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