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#44514 - 11/29/10 01:31 AM Re: It's Official: America is a Police State [Re: Clarence]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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The Romans called it: Pecvniate obedivnt omnia. "Everything obeys money."

So ask this simple question [in the case of N/S Korea, China, the US, anywhere else]: Who would benefit financially from a war, when, where, and for how long? Anything else is basically window-dressing: PSYOP to excite the masses as required.

If you're gonna call yourself a Satanist, think like one all the time.
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#44527 - 11/29/10 06:20 PM Re: It's Official: America is a Police State [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Clarence Offline
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Hi Dr. A.

I'm with you 100%. The only reason I started this thread was to gain a general impression of how others view these transparent posturings.

And thank you for sharing The Occult Technology of Power. I had not heard of it.

Morgan - Knowing Simon as I do, he seems to have been channeling Jack D. Ripper (I'm amazed there was no reference to our "precious bodily fluids").

On occasion he has indicated by way of correspondance that he fears death as much as his next bowel movement. He smokes cigars, rides motorcycles like a madman and conducts "swift, lucrative and risky" business arrangements - whatever that entails \:\) .

Overall, I doubt it's a death wish. Perhaps an enthusiasm. There is a difference.

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#44531 - 11/29/10 09:01 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Simon Jester]
Nyte Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Simon Jester
It's taking too long... I had hoped N. Korea might've sunk the George Washington, and sent us all to the devil. Guess they lack the balls. Now I'm deflated. Where the hell is my nuclear holocaust???


You didn't answer my question, but that's no surprise. Again, this time without any input from myself. Why would you even hope for something like this? And now a second question that has sprung forth. How would you personally benefit from a war that would include China, North Korea, South Korea, and the US?

I'll leave my post at that, just to see what will be your reply.
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#44534 - 11/29/10 10:11 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Nyte]
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How would you personally benefit from a war that would include China, North Korea, South Korea, and the US?


Hmmmmm, at least from going by the WikiLeaks traveling to and from China, sounds like Ol' Red is getting a mite tired of NK's attitude--

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/29/wikileaks.new.documents/index.html?hpt=T2

China's economy as well as the US' and several other Western countries depend upon each other. It's not fiscally responsible to go to war with the country whose debt is spurring your own rapid growth. China may not be our 'buddy' but they're not fools either.
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#44535 - 11/29/10 11:11 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South [Re: Nyte]
Simon Jester Offline
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Hey there Nyte,

I wasn't being rude. The question snuck by. Divided attention, overstimulatuion, ADD. Call it what you will.


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Why would you even hope for something like this?


Okay, all humour aside, let's call it the end of hegemonic domination, lawlessness, and the illusion of safety.

I take no sides, though I will advance or condemn either/both as it suits me. It is only when we take an abstraction to its zenith that we can finally bury it.

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How would you personally benefit from a war that would include China, North Korea, South Korea, and the US?


I'll not elaborate on all of my dealings, but I do own shares in Rio Tinto, BP, Exxon Mobil, British American Tobacco etc. I gain financially.

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#44539 - 11/30/10 03:08 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Nemesis]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
China's economy as well as the US' and several other Western countries depend upon each other. It's not fiscally responsible to go to war with the country whose debt is spurring your own rapid growth. China may not be our 'buddy' but they're not fools either.



The U.S.A. and China are already having a mini-war - about the competitive valuation of their respective currencies, which rather sets the pace of the former's mad race towards socialism and the latter's mad race towards capitalism. Neither has the time, budget, or patience for this Korean sideshow right now.

My forecast is that the U.S. will spank South Korea and China will spank North Korea, and they will go back to just mooning each other across the 38th Parallel.
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#44540 - 11/30/10 05:37 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Here follows a recent blog link post I made on the subject which was created a few days before the Wikileaks cabals hit the internet about China-North Korea which suggests China may abandon North Korea. It is my belief though that when it comes to the crunch China will support North Korea in a war, and the cabals are only the product of conversations with a few ranking officials in China, which should be treated as subjective opinion rather than official positions on the part of China to North Korea.
http://thesocietyoflucifer.blogspot.com/2010/11/chess-game-in-koreas.html
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#44552 - 11/30/10 09:18 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South - China blocks UN action [Re: mabon2010]
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China blocks UN action against N Korea


"Against the wishes of the vast majority of the Security Council members, China is blocking any action on the uranium enrichment plant and there is not much hope of any talk about the attack".

"It says it is unacceptable to 'condemn' or even 'express concern' over North Korea. Council talks have come to a standstill.

"It is now very likely that the Security Council will do nothing about North Korea," the diplomat added.


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-wor...1201-18fz3.html

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#44555 - 12/01/10 03:22 AM Re: It's Official: America is a Police State [Re: Clarence]
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Assange rape charge a set up?

Former intelligence official and independent MP Andrew Wilkie says the rape charges brought against WikiLeaks' Australian founder Julian Assange "could definitely be a set-up".

"The organisational response to whistleblowers is pretty predictable. Theyíre [portrayed as] troublemakers, they donít know what theyíre talking about, theyíre mentally unstable," Mr Wilkie told ninemsn.

"When organisations are confronted with people they find they canít control they often lash out fairly powerfully and savagely."

He said governments responded in a theatrical way to threats because they wanted to send a signal to deter people from speaking out.

"Of course governments donít want to be embarrassed. And they will tend to overstate the harm caused by these things."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8173913/assange-rape-charge-could-be-a-set-up-wilkie

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#44556 - 12/01/10 11:01 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South [Re: Simon Jester]
Nyte Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Simon Jester
Hey there Nyte,

I wasn't being rude. The question snuck by. Divided attention, overstimulatuion, ADD. Call it what you will.


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Why would you even hope for something like this?


Okay, all humour aside, let's call it the end of hegemonic domination, lawlessness, and the illusion of safety.

I take no sides, though I will advance or condemn either/both as it suits me. It is only when we take an abstraction to its zenith that we can finally bury it.


Fair enough, ADD it is.

I understand what you are talking about when you say that "the end of hegemonic domination, lawlessness, and the illusion of safety." However, there will never be an end to any of those things, especially in a nuclear war. Someone always has to have something bigger, better and more dangerous/threatening. Those with the bigger nukes will control. Let's be serious here, though. Those things will all be played out in reality and that will be the difference. It'll no longer be talk. I'm not up to seeing if the entire world turns into something like Chernobyl because two countries can't get along.

You can condemn/advance whatever way you feel, but none of it will matter if your skin is falling off because they decided to test the "nuclear war" waters. I'm not up to watching my boys pay that kind of price for this kind of bullshit in another country.

 Originally Posted By: Simon Jester
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How would you personally benefit from a war that would include China, North Korea, South Korea, and the US?


I'll not elaborate on all of my dealings, but I do own shares in Rio Tinto, BP, Exxon Mobil, British American Tobacco etc. I gain financially.


Your financial gain won't benefit you much if you die along with it. None of that shit will matter when the people you count on to keep those moneys high are dead. You are but an "average Joe" that hasn't thought beyond the immediate.

You won't understand the full affects of nuclear war until it directly affects you long term and by then you'll be dying along with the hundreds of thousands others. Your immediate gain was all for naught.

Something that has baffled me since the day I watched Iraq being bombed. I heard so many Americans cheering it all on, awed by our military power. The aftermath shown over and over, day after day. It was an incredible site to watch, I must admit. Then reality in my own world set in again. I wondered how much of all those bombings and those that followed the next few years was going to affect other things, even the weather patterns. I wondered where all the energy was going from each bomb blast and what kind of damage it was going to do well beyond Iraq.

Now, I know that no one seems to have made a connection between events like a war, and our weather patterns across the globe and there is a point to what I'm getting at. So, please follow along for a moment and you'll see what I meant when I stated about your financial gain not mattering in the long term.

The summer of 2003 we bombed the shit out of Iraq, the energy from those bombs not only affecting the ground and the humans they hit, but the air and atmosphere around the bombings. The summers of 2004 and 2005 we saw more hurricanes, recording the 3rd and MOST active hurricane seasons, respectively. A little note of interest, Katrina happened in 2005. Do we really think this was all just from weather system changes and not directly affected by what was happening in Iraq through out those years? The bomb explosions have continued for a long time, and our weather patterns have shifted significantly. So where did all that energy really go from those bombings? Do a little research, and you will find that the next few years after a significant war, we've had increased weather pattern changes including but not limited to hurricanes, snow fall, droughts, storm patterns, etc. It's true.

What I'm getting at is, if we have a nuclear war, do you honestly think that any government will be able to protect us from the fall out? Will they be able to contain it so that it doesn't reach our water systems, our food systems (both livestock and veggies), the air, the weather systems? Do you really think that you won't be affected directly in a negative manner? Talk about a false sense of security. Chernobyl will be nothing compared to what will really happen if these 4 countries, and those that follow in step, play out their war games to the maximum. Your moneys be damned because it won't mean shit if you're dead or dying.

Now, again, "How would you personally benefit from a war that would include China, North Korea, South Korea, and the US?" Step beyond the "average Joe" thinking for a minute and answer this with more perspective than the immediate. I'll be willing to bet you can't. You'd better at least hope it doesn't reach using nuclear weapons, and that this war doesn't affect other systems like it seriously could and would in the long term. Keep in mind that if the nukes are blown up over open waters, the fall out is dispersed in the air and water. Good that it didn't hit land, but bad because we now have nuclear radiation in the water systems and atmosphere. Think well beyond, because nuclear war is exactly where this could progress to, especially with North Korea being the desperate country wanting to control the seas and wanting to take over South Korea. They have much to gain, including South Korea's established economy.

By the way, if I were you, I'd take my money out of British Tobacco and any other tobacco company immediately. The "smoker" is a dying breed and with the next phase of taxing, they are quiting left and right. Even the "old timers" are quiting. Find a new investment as quick as possible.
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#44557 - 12/01/10 11:17 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South = America vs. China + Russia [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Nyte Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
The U.S.A. and China are already having a mini-war - about the competitive valuation of their respective currencies, which rather sets the pace of the former's mad race towards socialism and the latter's mad race towards capitalism. Neither has the time, budget, or patience for this Korean sideshow right now.

My forecast is that the U.S. will spank South Korea and China will spank North Korea, and they will go back to just mooning each other across the 38th Parallel.


I hope you're right, although, from what I read this morning about China, it might just remain hope. China hasn't done much to reign in North Korea. Obama, on the other hand has at least made it clear that he's continuing as "scheduled" with things like the "war games"/practice in the water ways. At least he's standing firm on something, even if I don't like it.

I'm hoping Nemesis is right, and that China will let North Korea fight it's own fight. I don't think they will though. They don't like the idea of North Korea possibly losing their communism and won't "allow" an immediate country to be anything but controled by communism. The masses in North Korea are restless, tired and want a change, whatever that is and whatever cost that may come with. So we sit and watch....
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#44559 - 12/01/10 12:59 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South [Re: Nyte]
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I disagree with not investing in tobacco companies. A funny thing about most poor people is that even when lacking money to eat decently, they sure have money to smoke. The worse a crisis, the more people become poor; the more they'll smoke. The same goes for alcohol and drugs. Logic isn't the normal condition for humans. Take advantage of it.

I don't think N-Korea will go to war quickly. Sure they have nukes, most with the range capacity of a slingshot but besides some radioactive dust here and there, all they can take out is some neighbors. China has become capitalist and capitalists seldom are interested in starting a war that comes at the expense of their own income or targets their export market.

I grew up with the USSR-US nuclear holocaust scenario. It scared me as much as the China-US one.

It ain't gonna happen and if, it sure will be a blast.

D.

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#44561 - 12/01/10 03:04 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I disagree with not investing in tobacco companies. A funny thing about most poor people is that even when lacking money to eat decently, they sure have money to smoke. The worse a crisis, the more people become poor; the more they'll smoke. The same goes for alcohol and drugs. Logic isn't the normal condition for humans. Take advantage of it.

I don't think N-Korea will go to war quickly. Sure they have nukes, most with the range capacity of a slingshot but besides some radioactive dust here and there, all they can take out is some neighbors. China has become capitalist and capitalists seldom are interested in starting a war that comes at the expense of their own income or targets their export market.

I grew up with the USSR-US nuclear holocaust scenario. It scared me as much as the China-US one.

It ain't gonna happen and if, it sure will be a blast.

D.


You might be right Diavolo. However, I have watched many, MANY people as of late quit. I, myself, am working on quiting. The thought that seems to be coming from most people is, "The government gets enough of my money. I'm not giving them any more." and I agree with this. I've cut back significantly and plan on putting them down before Christmas. I'm not rich by any means and most of the people I've spoken to are working souls like myself. We're not poor but we're not rich either. We're making it and tired of our money going out in more taxes. With packs here in Ohio going above $7.00, it'll be easier to put them down once and for all. Most of the younger adults I know are quiting or never smoked, so it'll be something of interest to watch, for myself anyways.

I have my doubts about N. Korea staying level headed. China, perhaps a bit better, but who knows. We've seen stranger things.

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#44567 - 12/02/10 03:07 AM Re: N. Korea vs. South [Re: Nyte]
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Do you really think that you won't be affected directly in a negative manner?


I hold no illiusions about my position in the world. I am mortal, and of little relevance in the overall scheme of things.

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Now, again, "How would you personally benefit from a war that would include China, North Korea, South Korea, and the US?" Step beyond the "average Joe" thinking for a minute and answer this with more perspective than the immediate. I'll be willing to bet you can't.


Giggle. ADD seems to be going around. \:\)

Alright then. That said... You may well be right. I doubt my ability to convey my position to anyone who holds a moral stance on these matters. I cannot relate to what I view as impossibly mundane concerns. I am not a "breeder". The futility of endlessly reproducing, generation after generation seems to be lost on most people.

My perspective and objectives are largely suprapersonal. I did think the business interests I listed may have adequately hinted at that. Furthermore, my entire career has cosisted of facilitating, in a modest way, the exploitation and destruction of the environment. That is my legacy.

The current nuclear stockpile of combined nations is more than sufficient to transform this planet into a wasteland. And however unlikely a prospect it may be, that, I believe, is the ultimate realisation of our true potential - of my
"weltanschauung".

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By the way, if I were you, I'd take my money out of British Tobacco and any other tobacco company immediately. The "smoker" is a dying breed and with the next phase of taxing, they are quiting left and right. Even the "old timers" are quiting. Find a new investment as quick as possible.


Well, the share prices indicate the demand for this poison is still climbing. But don't worry - my speculation encompasses
"other stuff" which is selling ferociously in impoverished areas.


Edited by Simon Jester (12/02/10 03:10 AM)

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#44572 - 12/02/10 02:08 PM Re: N. Korea vs. South [Re: Diavolo]
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It ain't gonna happen and if, it sure will be a blast.


You sure a punny guy, D.

I need to get my hand on a few nukes myself. I don't want to be caught without them should others decide to start launching theirs. That wouldn't be "fair" ;\)

Do you know of anyone who can hook me up? Shhhh! Don't say anything here, we'll talk.
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