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#437 - 09/18/07 01:07 PM German insanity
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Man is an animal with a gift. What gift? Simply the gift of being able to sink below the level of animals. An ability to debase himself to the point of monstrosity.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html

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BERLIN, July 30, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Booklets from a subsidiary of the German government's Ministry for Family Affairs encourage parents to sexually massage their children as young as 1 to 3 years of age. Two 40-page booklets entitled "Love, Body and Playing Doctor" by the German Federal Health Education Center (Bundeszentrale für gesundheitliche Aufklärung - BZgA) are aimed at parents - the first addressing children from 1-3 and the other children from 4-6 years of age.

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.......What...Hurn.........Im at a loss.

Opinions? Comments?

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#439 - 09/18/07 01:36 PM Re: German insanity [Re: MCSA TEK]
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I thought "Michael O'Brien" simply attacks and for the most part and is full of shit...... in the page, but i can not speak as a parent. i can see why Germany is endorsing the book (they where the 1st to link caner and smoking), to some point. I think as humans we are uncomfortable, in your own flesh. as far as parent's sexily touching there children, hm what a slippery slop that is. I do believe children must be educated, i do NOT approve molestation, rape, etc. by that how far would be going to far, like i said "hm what a slippery slop that is"

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"A society such as Germany's which is already in steep decline, indeed into degeneration, will only inherit the whirlwind of violence and further levels of degradation of their own people," warned O'Brien.


simply because a culture is leaving behind Judeo-Christian concepts doesn't make it wrong, right, or cause degradation. I see that's a smalled minded way of thinking.


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"It has happened before in Germany. It has happened in other nations. Different causes but the same dynamic, the rejection of the moral order of the created universe results in radical evil. The German state intervention in family life is a new level of auto-destruction," said O'Brien.


He forgets to bring up all the improvements in science they made in that "It has happened before" time, sadly made by test on Jews, and such. by that did justify his statement, i don't think so, The US had there own concentration camps and has killed millions of people. We are all animals, and make mistakes, it the ability to learn from them, which i think is a gift.
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#448 - 09/18/07 07:47 PM Re: German insanity [Re: blackdragon31560]
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Ok, I'm going to answer this one AS A PARENT and as someone who was once a very sexual child.

Here goes. First as a parent. The only time as a mother I feel the need to touch my childs genitals is when they are in nappies and I have to clean them. This isn't a sexual thing, it is just a hygene thing.

After my child has learnt to wipe his/her own bum and wash his/her own genetalia and arse in the shower/bath, I no longer feel any need to touch this area of my child ever again.

Massage is an important stimulant tool for blood flow of babies and young children, but I don't think it is correct to touch your child in a way that you wouldn't do in front a room full of people. I would not massage my childs genetalia under any circumstances.

I would consider that to be seduction, teaching a child to enjoy the stimulation of it's genetalia by an adult (or another child) is going towards leaving that child open to molestation if not molestation itself and is definately IMNSHO a very big breach of trust. Your child should be able to trust you implicently.

Sure I'll kiss my babies bum and say, 'what a cute little but you've got', but it is totally non-sexual. It is no more sexual that blowing rasberries on their belly or neck to make them giggle.

Now, whilst I agree children should be taught to love their bodies and be proud of them, I don't think massaging a young childs clit is the way to do it.

If you catch a child playing with themselves (as most do when very young, you don't have to show them, they soon work out that it feels good), you don't come down on them like a tonne of bricks either.

My policy with my duaghter has been to say to her something along the lines of, if it feels good do it, but be aware that some things should be done when you are alone, whilst you are a child. Not because they are dirty or wrong, but because you could give some Adults the wrong idea and they might then want to do those things with you, which is NOT OK.

I personally don't want to watch my child masturbate and more than I would want them to watch me masturbate. I find masturbation to be something private. That's not to say I've never masturbated with a partener, but then it's not really masturbating it's fucking yourself for someone else.

As a child I was very sexual. I remember masturbating from about 3 years of age. I used to sit with my legs either side of the coffee table and grind against it. I'm sure I did it in front of other people (parents/brother/sister), but I don't remember ever getting told off for it, although I do remember not wanting them to notice.

This hormonal sexuality and my lack of a decent male role model in life, led me to indulge in a Sexual relationship with a 12 year old boy who was nearly my step brother, when I was eight. For years I carried around this guilt about it, even though at the time I thought I was a willing participant, I see now that maybe, he took advantage of me, probably because someone was taking advantage of him.

My Point is that it's a very slippery slope, that although we want our children to be uninhibated, we also want them to have a healthy mind. Would teaching my children to think of either their Mother or Father as the giver of sexual pleasure make my chilrens mind healthy. I somehow doubt it.

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#511 - 09/20/07 12:23 PM Re: German insanity [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I would love to see the full presented materials that the authors of the news clips used to make their presentation.

I lived in Germany (my fatherland) for a number of years and I saw nothing in my people that suggested something like this. I'd say it's sensationalist muck-racking at it's usual worst, but that is what sells papers and keeps news teams on the air.

Business as usual.





Edited by Cody (09/20/07 12:29 PM)
Edit Reason: Added "business as usual"

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#651 - 09/25/07 08:31 PM Re: German insanity [Re: MCSA TEK]
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O'Brien attributes this philosophy to the "rejection of the Judeo-Christian moral order."

Many things in U.S. culture have been the result of this same rejection according to many people like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Rev. Calvin Butts and countless others.

Because people have turned away from "god", things like porn, teen sex, abortion and rap music are corrupting our youth (yeah right).

While the ideas expressed in this publication might be on the far extreme side concerning the issue of sex education - let's look at the attitudes & methods which have been considered acceptable or at least tolerable in out own culture.

Judeo Christian beliefs preach a doctrine of self hate & disgust for our body & it's functions. Many wouldn't bat an eye at someone scolding a youth for exploring thier bodies or masturbating, yet when someone encourages a healthy/non judgemental approach to accepting sexuality as a natural human function - people are ready to scream "perv".

The argument for self exploration & acceptance of our sexuality might get lost in all the incestuous suggestions this publication offers, however there is a middle ground & it is possible to comprehend.

What O'Brien seems to fear is not open & realistic views of sexuality becoming prevalent - but a decline in people's belief in the twisted religion he holds so dear.

When reason & self expression prevails over superstition - the fanatic is always ready to weep over spliied milk & declare doomsday is upon us.

...he quotes G.K. Chesterton

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"When men cease to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing anything."


Yes, it IS indeed amazing what man can accomplish when the barriers of superstition are broken down & possibilities become evident.
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