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#43995 - 11/04/10 04:38 PM The "Saw" movies.
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I just recently went to the cinema and saw (eh) the latest and number seven in line, "Saw 3D". One would think that being in 3D would make it more brutal, but intestines flying quickly against me actually had the opposite effect...

Even though the whole theme is pretty outdated by now, and the movies haven`t had any real progression in a long time, I am a pretty big fan of the "Saw"-movies. I enjoy the concept itself too much! And thats pretty much why I enjoyed myself through the whole latest movie as well.

Despite the obvious law-breaking, and some of the uncalled-for sadism, I find the concept around Jigsaw kinda Satanic in nature, as his victims are folks that don`t take much real value in their own lives, and is forced to show some strenght through being offered a "choice".

I guess the three first (tops!) movies are the classics though.

Any other fans of Jigsaw here? :-P
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#44002 - 11/05/10 12:31 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Wolflust]
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I usually like movie villains. Hannibal Lecter is one of my all time favorites. He is well educated, classy, and very much his own person.

On the other hand, Jigsaw just pisses me the fuck off. He is just a miserable piece of shit and through each film I couldn’t wait for him to die a slow painful death.
He possesses no charm, wit or any form of charisma what so ever.

Who the fuck is he, to decide that certain people are not living life to the fullest, just because he is dying of cancer. Dying...dying...dying, but never quite willing to fucking rot away and disappear.
Fuck Jigsaw.

(But yeah, I did go see all of the films as soon as they came out and will probably go see the latest and hopefully the last one too, just so that I can hate him even more.)
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#44008 - 11/05/10 07:49 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Asmedious]
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I got a little bored with Saw early on, to be truthful. I sort of liked the first one, and then expected, and got, a sequel, but shock wears off. Then it becomes camp. Camp isn't scary so much as it is a conscious nudge at one's sensitivities, like biting down on an infected tooth or constantly touching an injured hand.

You know what's there. You do it because it's what you expect. Saw was like that, I think. People knew what was there and just kept on jabbing at the wound.
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#44028 - 11/07/10 01:33 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Wolflust]
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Hmmm, Satanic. Yes indeed.

The overall aesthetic and the nature of his message always struck me as being highly resonant. I doubt we'll ever receive any confirmation, but I suspect the writers were influenced by Anton Long.

Jigsaw seems to have been experimenting with a form of immortality. His disciples might be viewed as his Diamond Body, to borrow a term from dear old KHK.

This final installment didn't really gain anything from its 3D format. I guess its just the in thing. Love the ending though.

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#44083 - 11/12/10 08:29 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Clarence]
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I haven't seen it yet, but probably will this weekend with my oldest. It's become a ritual of sorts, for him and I. We went to see the first one, because he's my "gore" child. It was close to my birthday and was a great way to bring in the Halloween season. Every year since we've gone to see it. Last year though, we actually got up and left before the movie was done. We were both disappointed and bored shitless by the time we left.

This weekend though, we're going to go see this one, just to see if anything good is in the movie (my birthday present from him). I've never seen a 3D movie, so this should be at least a little bit better than the last one. Or at least I'm hoping it is.
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#44150 - 11/17/10 09:59 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Nyte]
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I liked saw in the beginning, but there are too many movies of it. but it's getting more gory every time.

I like jigsaw, he is really smart and creative.
but I don't know if I am going to watch the new one.
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#44154 - 11/17/10 01:56 PM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: 66616]
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I never understood the big hype people make over those movies.

In fact I hate them all and think that they are incredibly stupid and boring, but somehow ended up watching all of them anyhow since they are some sort of classics for movie evenings.
The dialogues are insanely crappy, not one of them is as brutal or disgusting as it promises to be and this whiny pseudo-philosophical babble that is used by this jigsaw-dude to justify his actions is annoying as hell.
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#44415 - 11/22/10 08:39 PM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Wolflust]
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There was an Australian Saturday morning TV show called Recovery when I was a teenager and Leigh Whannel was the film reviewer.

Once I got used to a fellow Melbourne nerd on the screen I quite enjoyed Saw. It's very well-written and so well-made that I didn't know it was all filmed in and outside one building.

I haven't seen any of the sequels.
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#46762 - 01/14/11 09:34 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: PeteOfTheDead]
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I did enjoy the first two saw movies, I found the idea of traps and challenges in a horror movie an inventive idea. However i do feel that the studios have been milking the concept a little to much lately and they should have let the series die with jigsaw.
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#46925 - 01/17/11 09:54 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: BaronVonShankly]
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I agree with you that those two movies are the best ones, and the quality has decreased. But I think that the idea of a cult based around Jigsaws work is a stroke of genius, and a idea that I think is worth cinematic exploration
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#47932 - 02/03/11 03:19 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Wolflust]
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reminded me of hostel:

At precisely eight-o-five
Doctor Frederick von Meier
Will attempt his famous dive
Through a solid sheet of luminescent fire.

In the center of the ring
They are torturing a bear
And although he cannot sing
They can make him whistle Londondderry Air

And the price is right,
The cost of one admission is your mind

We shall shortly institute
A synopticon of fear
While it's painful, it will suit
Many customers whose appetities are queer

Or for those who wish to pay
There are children you can bleed
In a most peculiar way
We can give you all the instruments you'll need

And the price is right,
The cost of one admission is your mind

If you're harder yet to serve
We have most delightful dreams;
Our recorders will preserve
The intensity and passion of your screams.

For we only aim to please;
It's our customers who gain
As their appetities increase
They must come to us for pleasure and for pain.

And the price is right,
The cost of one admission is your mind.

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the united states of america "the american metaphysical circus".

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the ultra violent stuff is poison.

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#47940 - 02/03/11 04:16 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: anseoasresere]
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Warning issued for poetry, nonsensical posts and garbage. Pick up your game or leave. First, last and only warning.
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#48036 - 02/04/11 08:32 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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i apologize about that.

the song american metaphysical circus reminds me of the film hostel. i personally dont enjoy those films, and i think calling them satanic is bad news. its a death trip.

im interested in the origins of films like this. william burroughs comes to mind almost immediately. it seems like this is the kind of place he would right about. the problem is people start believing they actually exist.

then again, you have marquis de sade. i think we can do better.

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#48046 - 02/04/11 12:52 PM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: anseoasresere]
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I get bored during the bulk of horror films, but I did think the first Saw was about at 2.25 on a 1-10 scale. My wife likes them a lot so I've viewed them as they've been released over the past few years. We recently viewed the 3D one and I thought it was a total sleeper. I will say though, that the Saw movies are better than mere chop 'n dice flicks. Chopping with a purpose, I suppose, is a little better.

I wouldn't call Jigsaw's character "satanic" though. He seems much too bitter and entirely too interested in what other people are doing (or not doing) with their meaningless lives. I think it is more satanic to allow Darwinism to continue unraveling on those who waste their lives.

Now - Divine getting a "rosary job" (Multiple Maniacs) in a church pew by Mink Stole while the stations of the x are recited ...THAT is cinematic Satanism while being both scary and funny as Hell!
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#48520 - 02/09/11 07:31 PM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Mitch Koch]
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Screenwriter Leigh Whannell intended the Saw series to be a trilogy, and looking back at what is known by Saw fans as the 'Goreology' i.e films 1-5 one can most certainly see such intent in the narrative. After the superb Saw 3, the series became a serial, with each film following on from the previous with no narrative break. I lost interest with Saw 6, didn't watch the Final Chapter (and probably won't) as it's the final last desperate effort of the franchise. Saw 1-5 works as a narrative. After that it's scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel.
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#58852 - 09/05/11 04:40 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: AgainstTheDark]
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i agreed completely its not like a movie anymore its like watching a serial of 1.5 to 2 hours of length which i cant. I have seen first 4 parts and left it there.
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#58860 - 09/05/11 01:46 PM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: devil is here]
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I haven’t seen SAW 3D (part 7, right?), since the disappointment that was part 5 resulted in my deciding to not see whatever further sequels there might be. I thought SAW had a somewhat interesting premise in the beginning - a psychotic engineer with cancer captures healthy people who are unappreciative of their own lives and sets them up so they must quickly maim themselves before a timer runs out in order to survive.

Unfortunately this interesting premise was never satisfactorily fleshed out, then the producers got sequel fever and turned it into a "franchise" of mindless torture porn with a “trap” motif (not that there's anything wrong with that) - now they've begun portray Jigsaw as some sort of cult leader who manages to recruit escapees from his own personal abattoir and who has manufacturing skills that would put Gilligan's Island's professor to shame.

Despite my swearing the rest of the series off, I did see part 6 recently (Netflix had it on instant streaming, so I figured, “eh, why not?”) Well, part 6 is plenty gory (more so than parts 1 thru 5) – but for me the nauseating parts were its “social commentary”. It starts out with two loan officers being given the famous “maim or die” treatment because, as the recording tells them, they loaned poor people money knowing they couldn’t afford the interest rates. BAAAAARRRRRFFFF! Did Jigsaw drink the Obama KoolAid?

Bottom line: the first movie could have been a lot better and gorier, and the sequels require you to check your brain at the door. The whole of the 7 part series could have been made into one (<2 hour) really good movie as long as it was completely rewritten and had different actors and directors. Just my opinion.
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#59390 - 09/22/11 04:21 PM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Squiddles]
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I enjoyed the first one, but by the third I started losing interest. It got old fast. You can only see so much of a recycled storyline before you're sick of it - it's like they took the same storyline and just changed a few things around to add another sequel.

I enjoy gore as much as the next person, but when it comes to horror it's not about how much blood they can squeeze into two hours. I prefer something more subtle (which is why I tend to enjoy J-horror movies more than slashers).

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#60991 - 11/03/11 03:39 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Alex Crowley]
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To be honest, I enjoyed all of the Saw movies.....it is what it is...but what a concept....actually the first 3 were really good in my opinion....maybe they should have stopeed there....but I really did enjoy the concept behind the plot of the movies.
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#61003 - 11/03/11 09:03 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: MikeAndsaddie]
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I enjoyed them. Gave Me some interesting ideas.
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#61050 - 11/04/11 10:45 AM Re: The "Saw" movies. [Re: Vondraco]
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Saw got boring after the third. That traps were cool yea. But c'mon. Story line please. And THEN they made one more after 'final chapter'.

Edited by Managor (11/04/11 11:04 AM)

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