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#45379 - 12/21/10 02:58 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: Jason King]
Jake999 Offline
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Having been a Satanist since before you were born, I've spent my life working for Satanism, and not on the internet.

I spent 20 years in the military as an actitve Satanist, working for acceptance as a Satanist in the military and, after over 15 years of presenting my case while displaying professionalism as a military member, I was eventually recognized officially as a member of the Church of Satan and was the first man to receive his official dog tags with the religious denomination of Church of Satan.

http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showpic&id=1090

That's no easy feat in an organization that's dedicated to "God Country and Apple Pie," especially as an enlisted man. I had to be able to stand and deliver, explaining the Church of Satan to everything up to and including an Undersecretary of the Air Force, Chaplains by the dozens. People who could make my life very, very miserable, had I been unable to suitably represent myself and the Church of Satan.

During this same period, I organized, operated and fronted The Melek Taus Chapel in California, where I was in the public eye frequently through newpaper articles about our group and our activities. We were openly Satanist in a time before people were conditioned to the trappings of Satanism, so our baptism of the newborn child of two of our members was covered, as were our open denunciations of cemetery vandalization by people using "satanic symbols"

http://www.darkryde.com/mypics/Baptism.jpg

It was from here that I was selected by Anton LaVey to work directly with him as the Administrator for the Church of Satan in San Francisco, in which capacity, I wrote for The Cloven Hoof as a member of the Church of Satan staff, interacted with those who wanted information, etc. Internet??? Still years away from practical availability.

I brought in the 1st computers into the Black House in 1984, and set up The Cloven Hoof and the Church's filing systems, using Macintosh computers... they still use them today. You name it, and I've done it within the structure of The Church of Satan and was at the Black House until I was reassigned to Germany and had to leave.

After retiring from the military, I began working for a Fortune 500 company, again, as an openly practicing Satanist, and moved up within the corporate structure as a specialist in BRAC (Base Relocations and Closures) accounting and finance, retiring at age 52.

I've spent the rest of my time pretty much speaking truth to agenda when people's fantasies about what Satanism was and is leads them to post some fairly outlandish things here on the web. I'm now retired and spend my time doing what I want to do for a change. Still openly Satanist and still loyal to Dr. LaVey's vision.

What I envision Satanism as being is at presently co-opted by a current leadership that has lost its way, and an ever burgeoning crop of internet wonders, few of whom survive. And yes, I have vision because of people like the owner of this board, XEAR, who remains active in Satanism, and others as well who might, from time to time seek my advice, for what it's worth.

So now... how about you? We know you can afford a camera and can upload to the internet, but what else? A self - published book? OK... I'm reading it and it has it's points. But what are you REALLY? Where are you putting your ass on the line for Satanism... what jeopardy do you face to advance your visions? Not trying to be insulting or critical, but you come to us and expect us to just accept. By what authority or principle, other than being on the internet making videos?

Those here have seen me for years... you've been here what, a week? Let people get to know you before you jump to conclusions.
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#45383 - 12/21/10 04:08 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: Jake999]
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With all due respect, Jake, and please understand that I respect what you have done for Satanists, specifically with regard to its current acceptance by the military as valid "religion", I have a question:

Isn't it true that martyrs have no place in Satanism? And wouldn't your "campaigning for Satanic acceptance" be considered a form of that? Even though you weren't burned at the stake for it you certainly took that risk.

Again, please understand that I am merely playing devil's advocate and in no way mean any disrespect.
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#45385 - 12/21/10 04:36 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Martyrdom would be considered wrong if it was done for a purely altruistic purpose. In fighting for my rights, I did it for ME. I wanted my rights as a Satanist, and while there were other Satanists in the military at that time, I had no desire to fall on my sword for them, even if as a byproduct of my personal activism it also brought them a degree of acceptance.
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#45386 - 12/21/10 04:41 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

Isn't it true that martyrs have no place in Satanism? And wouldn't your "campaigning for Satanic acceptance" be considered a form of that? Even though you weren't burned at the stake for it you certainly took that risk.


Is it really martyrdom? To be a martyr, one has to play the victim role, where the one doing the presecution is the stronger party. Firstly, I see no one being persecuted. Secondly, I see no individual playing victim. Thirdly, I see Jake being in the empowered strong role, using his talents to influence change.

I suggest a champion or standard bearer role for Jake in this matter.


Edited by mabon2010 (12/21/10 04:45 PM)
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#45389 - 12/21/10 05:02 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: mabon2010]
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"Acceptance" is a dirty word to me. It implies that there is some more powerful group or individual in whose bosom I should aspire to be wrapped. There isn't. I have no more respect for the legal processes of my country than their ability to ensure I hold the ace if something kicks off. I don't want "acceptance" as a transgender person or a non-Christian. What I have worked for (and continue to) is a legal framework that protects my self-interest and, thereby that of others in a similar situation.
Banner-waving and coffee klatsching with the majority has no place on the Left Hand Path. (IMO) \:\)
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#45391 - 12/21/10 05:26 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: felixgarnet]
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LOL! Damn, Felix! I thought you and I might get together and so some of that fancy flag waving they do in the drum and bugle corps!

But I understand what you mean. When it comes to one's rights, you might well fall under the aegis of one group or another of like interest, and your efforts might assist them and theirs might assist you, but in the end, one works for one's own self preservation. Anything beyond that is gravy.
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#45395 - 12/21/10 06:06 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: Jake999]
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Killing two birds with one stone here:

Jake: You make a valid point by bringing up the concept of an altruistic purpose vs a self-serving one that, as you mentioned, a byproduct of is beneficial to others as well. Admittedly, I am a little embarrassed that I didn't consider that distinction myself.

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Mabon:
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Is it really martyrdom? To be a martyr, one has to play the victim role, where the one doing the presecution is the stronger party.


Wrong. A martyr is one who dies, or at the very least suffers, for their beliefs. Being a martyr has nothing to do with playing the role of the victim. Consider extremist Muslims who willingly martyr themselves for Allah. They don't view themselves as victims at all. If anything they are predators in a sense; usually martyring themselves while taking out a bunch of other people with them.

And even those who were martyred by the hands of others don't have to play the victim. Save for being the actual victim of their martyrdom whether it be by death or whatever. Keep in mind that there is a big difference between merely playing the victim and being the victim. You can die or suffer (literally or figuratively) for your beliefs and even if this comes at the hands of another you do not have to willingly succumb.

Further more, "the one doing the persecution", do not have to be the stronger party. Granted, "the ones doing the persecution" generally are the stronger party there is nothing that says "it has to be this way".

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Firstly, I see no one being persecuted.


Neither do I. And I never said anyone was being persecuted.

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Secondly, I see no individual playing victim.


Neither do I. And again; one doesn't have to "play the victim" to be a martyr

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Thirdly, I see Jake being in the empowered strong role, using his talents to influence change.


I never said anything to the contrary. Are you imaging to strawmen to create a debate? If so; why?

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I suggest a champion or standard bearer role for Jake in this matter.


This I disagree with. Not out of any depreciation for what he did but for his admitted motivations. He did it for himself. So I highly doubt he was seeking any glory or fawning for the chance to be seen as "a champion or standard bearer". I could be wrong but I don't believe I am.

It's funny that you would choose to reply to me here when I was asking a specific individual a question. It's really funny because you have chosen to not respond to the posts I have made specifically directed at you. Jake is more than capable of speaking for himself - are you?
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#45402 - 12/21/10 08:02 PM Re: The Three SatanicTypes [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
LOL! Damn, Felix! I thought you and I might get together and so some of that fancy flag waving they do in the drum and bugle corps!

But I understand what you mean. When it comes to one's rights, you might well fall under the aegis of one group or another of like interest, and your efforts might assist them and theirs might assist you, but in the end, one works for one's own self preservation. Anything beyond that is gravy.


Ah, but Jake you're not one of the "majority"! ;\)
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#45403 - 12/21/10 08:02 PM Dog Tags & DoD Directives [Re: Jake999]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
I spent 20 years in the military as an actitve Satanist, working for acceptance as a Satanist in the military and, after over 15 years of presenting my case while displaying professionalism as a military member, I was eventually recognized officially as a member of the Church of Satan and was the first man to receive his official dog tags with the religious denomination of Church of Satan.

Actually I opened this little door for all Satanists in 1969 right after I joined the Church that year:



1969 was the last year that the old Service Numbers, in my case OF114822 as a Regular Army officer, were included on dog tags. Thereafter they just included SSNs (which I have removed from this photo).

During 1970-75 several Satanists who were members of the various Armed Forces did the same. This engendered some dialogue between myself (as the Church's default military spokesPriest) and the various Chaplain branches.

The purpose of the religious ID on the dogtag is simple: If you are dead or near-dead, it tells the nearest chaplain [or stand-in] what to mumble over you. In the Church of Satan we didn't need any mumbling, so the "Satanist" was just to ensure than some Christian didn't accidentally say holy stuff over us and send us to Heaven by mistake.

There were several interim Army & DoD pamphlets & directives about not only Satanism but various other non-mainstream religions in the 1970+ period, culminating today in this DoD Directive, which is a good thing for any Satanist contemplating the military to print out and keep handy.
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#45404 - 12/21/10 08:10 PM Re: Dog Tags & DoD Directives [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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AF68093220... my old service number. I haven't even thought about that in decades. You and I both joined the military in the same year. My entry date was May 28th, By the time I finally got the OK for my dog tags, this number had long since gone the way of the dodos.

I'm pretty sure we were both in Vietnam at the same time. I was there in 1970 and reupped for a second tour in 1971. Spent the 1st tour at Cam Rahn Bay and the second at Tuy Hoa.

I specifically wanted Church of Satan because it's what I was... more than just Satanist... I wanted people to know and to consider. Now, being dead, it really wouldn't have mattered, because when we die, we just die. But if you GOTTA die, I figured, die cool and take as many with you as you could.
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#45408 - 12/21/10 09:16 PM Re: Dog Tags & DoD Directives [Re: Jake999]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
AF68093220... my old service number. I haven't even thought about that in decades. You and I both joined the military in the same year. My entry date was May 28th.

I "technically" joined the Army in 1966, since all "Upper Divison" Sr. ROTC cadets were officially enlisted in the USAR. I was commissioned in the Regular Army on 6/14/68, and joind the C/S 4/8/69. Went to Vietnam 2 months later (all over III Corps in Special Ops), back to the World in June 70 and my III° ordination on 6/21/70. And etc.

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By the time I finally got the OK for my dog tags, this number had long since gone the way of the dodos.

I still have my dad's tags from WW2, which weren't as weenie as yours & mine because back then they still had that indent so that if you croaked, one of the tags could be jammed up between your front teeth to ID your corpse.

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I specifically wanted CHURCH OF SATAN because it's what I was... more than just Satanist... I wanted people to know and to consider.

By the 1980s there was probably a point to this. In 1969-75 the Church of Satan and Satanism were identical. [And we were very arrogant about that.]

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But if you GOTTA die, I figured, die cool and take as many with you as you could.

Sounds like a plan to me. Of course, I was originally commissioned as an Armor officer with a 1204 Cavalry MOS, so I was entitled to Fiddler's Green.
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