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#44308 - 11/21/10 06:08 AM Prince William should be King
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It fills me with cold dread, the idea of Prince Charles being King.

It is an idea shared by many British who in recent polls say the down-to-earth Prince William should be King, rather than his father Charles, a man known to talk to plants.

Prince William at the age of 28 is already talking sense, and is setting the agenda, much to the horror of the old established order. There will be no more Mr Nice guy with the scum called the paparazzi who hounded his mother Princess Diana to death, instant legal action if they mess with the Prince.

I am what future historians will refer to as an Elizabethan, someone who lived in the age of Queen Elizabeth II, who no doubt will live as long as her mother, and well past 100 years of age, so expect another 16 years of this Elizabethan age. Sadly, this is a no so glorious age unlike the Elizabethan age of Elizabeth I, when Britain was a proud island nation, unconquerable and at the zenith of confidence, culture and learning - repeated again under the great Queen Victoria. Alas, under Queen Elizabeth II, the monarchy has become stale and impotent; we have lost an empire; we are losing our identity; we have lost our confidence; we have lost our self respect; we are swamped with American media culture; and by mass immigration - nobody can be sure what Britain is anymore.

And now we have a threat, a Prince who is a running joke, a man that talks to plants, and his every announcement seems to cause more trouble than it solves. Any King called Charles is bad for Britain, they cause civil wars and get their heads chopped off. Charles must never be King.

I shall remain loyal to the royalist cause, only because Prince William fills me with a hope, a nostalgia that through him, and those like him Britain can break out of its sickness, find its confidence, identity and self respect again.

One thing the monarchy must now do is become empowered, by separating its finances from that of the nation, to become independent, so nobody can moan about royalty being a burden on the people, and to give my future King William an independent voice that he is now showing. I am so overjoyed at seeing what is emerging out of this Prince, an answer, a hope, a restoration of the dreams of greatness my nation once had - this must never be undermined by financial slavery to Government.

No insult intended to my American friends, but Britain must look to start turning aside our obsession over America, its media and culture. Britain must find what is British again, find our own voice, set our own agenda. Nobody in America gives a damn about Britain, but we hang on every piece of news out of America, this I find disturbing and utterly wrong.

We must split from Europe and establish individual pacts with those nations worthy of doing business with, like France; instead of giving up our independence to an unelected, corrupt and wasteful bureaucracy called the European Union; and wasting our resources bailing out other nations like Ireland, Greece or Spain.

Our borders must close to everyone not born in my nation of Britain, with strict visa controls on all visitors. We must kick out everyone not born in Britain. We should have no fear of foreigners plotting to kill me because they hate my way of life, since they can stay in their own backward nations, barred from mine.

Thousands of years of history and tradition is invested in the monarchy of Britain. The Land cries out for a worthy King or Queen to lead us once again into a glorious golden age, and I see it in Prince William.
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#44334 - 11/21/10 02:14 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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Wills has his head on straight. He's well-traveled, well-rounded, intelligent, humble and is in possession of common sense. Being a royal celebrity in this day and age, all of those traits come as a bit of a shocker.

One can only hope that Charles has a stroke or some other kind of debilitating illness that will prevent him from becoming King, leaving William to rule as Regent until Charles dies. Plus, the hierarchy "skipping" a generation will reset the long waits between successions, a direct result of two long-lived Queens ruling back-to-back.
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#44337 - 11/21/10 03:50 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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Surely if you wish to achieve these things you would look to change the government, and not the monarchy. Things such as confidence and identity, certainly, I can see being affected to a degree by the public image presented by the monarchy. But you also speak of distancing Britain from Europe, establishing new areas of business, etc. These are matters of law and politics.

It was my understanding that the monarchy were merely, as
Nemesis put it, royal celebrities, with authority to veto proposed legislation, dismiss members of government, etc. What is there to suggest that Prince William, or any member of the British royal family, has the power to meet these goals you have set?
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#44340 - 11/21/10 05:48 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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Whilst of Scots ancestry, I am an American citizen, so caveat that British government decisions are properly the prerogative of UK citizens.

That said, I will put in a kind word for HRH the Prince of Wales. I think he is a good, compassionate, and intelligent man who would take the responsibilities of King as seriously as his mother.

Expecting any British monarch to reincarnate King Arthur (who had his love-life problems too!!) is a bit like wishing for another George Washington over here. Things were much simpler back then, not to mention that it is very easy, and always tempting, to view the past through rose-coloured spectacles.

Western European/North American society still lives in the shadow of World War II. Germany took a stand for racial purification, genetic planning, prevention of non-ethnic immigration, and generally anything that stood in the way of its becoming a hard-ass superstate. It did an effective enough job of this that just about every other nation in the world had to gang up on it to crush it. A by-product of this was the victors' equally-strong commitment in opposition to everything Germany stood for, which has remained with us to this day. To object is taboo, and in some countries against the law.

So like it or not, the UK is headed for multiethnic, multiracial, multicultural cosmopolitanism, along with the demagogic "tyranny of the masses" which inevitably accompanies this. So is every other WW2-Allies country. This momentum is long past the point of reversal, if indeed there ever were one post-VE-Day.

The good side of this is that, once you actually start to meet them, the individuals of all those "other" races, ethnicities, cultures, whatever can very easily turn out to be just as smart, responsible, ethical, and admirable as yourself. We've certainly learned this in the Temple of Set, which has a worldwide membership of bright pennies.

As currently being discussed in the "Democracy?" thread, there's at present a lot of multinational stress in terms of the control of wealth, living standards, and social vs. individual responsibility. This is an economic/political problem, not to be confused with purely-individual qualities.

Coming back to the British monarchy, since the collapse of all the other major monarchies ca. World War I, it has been walking a precarious tightrope between the largely-symbolic royalties of the Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Monaco, etc. and the still-lingering British expectation that it take national responsibilities beyond being merely a tourist attraction and charity promoter. This is a very thin tightrope, and I think that HM the Queen has done the best possible balancing act under tremendous stresses. And she is certainly not a dilettante; she has been working very hard, every day, under constant public scrutiny, her entire adult life.

It has been much the same for Prince Charles [and of course Princes Philip, William, Harry, et al.] They live in a goldfish bowl with very thin walls. Charles takes most of the heat because it's not proper to attack either his parents or his children; plus there's the ever-present ghost of Princess Diana.

I daresay he will be as capable a King as his mother has been a Queen, and that by the time William takes the throne, he will also do as well as possible. But I think everyone must understand that this is an institution of a long-past era in Europe, which must make a very great effort to remain practical, contributive, and relevant in the egalitarian Tsunami of the 21st Century.
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#44362 - 11/21/10 10:03 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Dear Dr. Aquino,

All this time I thought Aquino was an Italian name?

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#44368 - 11/22/10 01:05 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Oxus]
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 Originally Posted By: Oxus
Dear Dr. Aquino,

All this time I thought Aquino was an Italian name?

That's the other half. ;\)
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#46252 - 01/08/11 07:13 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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i watched a documentary on PBS a while back about the queen and her adventures around the world. i never considered how miserable it could be to be a member of the aristocracy. not only because of the phonies sucking up to you because you are "royalty" but also all of the people saying you are a "reptilian". it must be a very claustrophobic existence. i wouldn't mind living in a number of different castles but i think it would do a number on your head after a while.

on the one hand everything is given to you and on the other you are the monarch. it seems like they are forced to live with a kind of schizophrenic identity.

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#46284 - 01/09/11 12:12 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: anseoasresere]
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@ anseoasresere
There is nothing phony about those involved in the institution of the monarchy of Britain. Nobody sucks up either, everyone involved in the monarchy has a duty and rank which they perform in a serious and dedicated manner. You seem to think that our monarchy is like the US Hollywood, which is all illusion and fakery, wrong.

Only those weirdos that inhabit YouTube with their tinfoil hats on think the "royalty" is "reptilian".

I agree however that there is a conflict of identity in the "royalty" of Britain. I address the solutions to that here:

http://thesocietyoflucifer.blogspot.com/2011/01/british-royal-family-finances-need-to.html
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#46375 - 01/10/11 08:37 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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@mabon2010 agree to disagree on the topic of royal ass kissers. the important part is people being elevated to positions in a hierarchy for nothing other than blood relation to the king. it says nothing about a person's ability or intelligence.

and the reptilian madness is just an extreme that comes from hundreds of years of this kind of elevation an individual. its interesting either way and says a lot...

the aristocracy is so far removed from a normal life that they must be reptilian aliens from the star system draco...

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#46383 - 01/10/11 10:55 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: anseoasresere]
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@ anseoasresere

There are four ways to become a lady or lord:

1. You are born one.
2. You marry one.
3. You donate a large sum of money to Tory or the Labour Party (UK).
4. You do good deeds or an amazing achievement in Britain.

Kissing the Royal "ass" is a FAIL in Britain in the halls of power, and earns no lordship titles.

I agree that having a lot of lords and bishops determining my future in legal and political circles is bad business. Good news is that the House of Lords will soon be abolished in favour of an elected Senate.

There are no space aliens or reptiles in the British aristocracy.

Anyone for tea?
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#46454 - 01/10/11 04:05 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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@mabon2010 yes please. perhaps we can watch black adder. at least, that's how i formulate all my concepts relating to aristocracy.

i hope your right about the house of lords being abolished. baldrick IV has no place there.

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#46471 - 01/10/11 05:49 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: anseoasresere]
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I reckon Prince William will be the next King. Charles is already around 60 and married to a divorcee so the Queen is likely to advise him to make way for his son. Prince William is a popular choice for the heir to the Throne; he is bright, sociable, son of the much-loved Princess of Wales and about to marry.
I'll iron the Union Flag table cloth in readiness. ;\)
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#46960 - 01/17/11 07:55 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: felixgarnet]
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 Originally Posted By: felixgarnet
I reckon Prince William will be the next King. Charles is already around 60 and married to a divorcee so the Queen is likely to advise him to make way for his son. Prince William is a popular choice for the heir to the Throne; he is bright, sociable, son of the much-loved Princess of Wales and about to marry.
I'll iron the Union Flag table cloth in readiness. ;\)


Very unlikely that he will step aside considering william has said he plans to have a military career. Im guessing if Charles is king he will only last for around 10 years or so because of his age.

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#46966 - 01/17/11 08:37 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: BaronVonShankly]
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@ BaronVonShankly
Traditionally all the British royalty, specifically all the male members have a military ranking. The British military have primary loyalty to the Queen who is their Commander in Chief.

Military careers come second to royal duties, and the military are reluctant to put the royals in any serious military operational dangers. Imagine the disaster if Prince William fell into Taliban hands.

The Queen is 84 years of age and there is no reason why she should not be alive another 16 years at least. Prince Charles will likely rule, but there is pressure for William to rule rather than Charles.
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#46999 - 01/19/11 12:15 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: felixgarnet]
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You sound so excited Felix I don't know if I can stand to watch. Dont worry the media bullshit will be over soon. I hope anyway. \:\(
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#47021 - 01/19/11 12:04 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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I remember when it was leaked Prince Harry being in Afghan`

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/28/military.afghanistan

I dont know, how would our country react if a Royal was killed?

Would the Government call the militery in too cause some serious damage to Afghan?

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#47030 - 01/19/11 04:41 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Mocking bird]
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@ Mocking bird

I would be gutted and seriously pissed off if Prince William was killed in Afghanistan. Britain would only do what it has already been doing in Afghanistan, and one needs to accept that in war soldiers die - even princes.

It won't stop me calling for the head of the reporter or politician who was part to blame for the death of the prince.

I want our soldiers home. It is a pointless and unwinnable war.
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#47129 - 01/21/11 10:15 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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In general, monarchies nauseate me – spoiled children whose claim to fame is being born to other spoiled children. And yet, officially recognized monarchies such as Queen Elizabeth and her brood are a microcosm of our world reality: Some are born to rich families, others to poor families. It’s a roll of the dice.

I realize that all of us can drastically change our circumstances for the better or worse regardless of the family we’re born into, but clearly those growing up in Buckingham Palace have a much better chance of living well off than those raised in a hut in Haiti. This reality is a sober reminder that life isn’t simply a meritocracy – “pulling oneself up by the bootstraps”. As long as Daddy or Granddaddy or someone else up the line pulled himself up by the bootstraps, it’s good enough for some.
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#47131 - 01/21/11 10:30 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: William Wright]
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Being in favour of Republicanism I would like to see the monarchy in the UK abolished. It seems to me to be an outmoded institution in the 21st century. It perpetuates the class system and the upper classes who believe that they are superior to other people.
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#47139 - 01/21/11 02:35 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Mikey58]
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@ Mikey58
With a few changes the British monarchy can move into the 21st century.

The British monarchy has its uses for instance stopping Britain from becoming a dictatorship. The military are kept in line as they are all loyal to the Monarch in the event of civil war.

Abolishing the monarchy will do nothing to address the inequality that exists in the land, it will just replace one system with another one. As George Orwell said, "all are equal, just some are more equal than others".
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#47141 - 01/21/11 02:42 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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The British monarchy should just be removed entirely it is a decadent ruling order which now just gets payed for doing virtually nothing accept servering as public figure heads. It is economically inefficent and as an Australia citizen I would rather not be putting my money into the coffers of some old farts that visit once a decade.

Furthermore if I was in England I would rather own my land then pay to rent it for 100 yrs or so.


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#47153 - 01/21/11 05:57 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: thedeadidea]
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Furthermore if I was in England I would rather own my land then pay to rent it for 100 yrs or so.


In England there is such a thing as a fee simple absolute in posession, which isn't a lease. It's an indefinite term ownership of both the beneficial interest (equitable interest) and the legal interest in the land. The beneficial interest (the right to live on the land)can be assigned out in blocks for fixed time periods, the legal interest will remain yours (this is how you 'lease' the property, you sell for a fee the beneficial interest for a fixed term). This legal interest will remain yours until conveyed, or you die, which in the case of registered land will pass according to the laws regarding inheretance to various relatives. Only in the case where you have no living relative (if you die without a will), or a will requesting it specifically, will your land pass back to 'the crown' but that is only a legal simulacrum.

In reality the land is auctioned off immediately as while 'all land belongs to the crown' that is to say, the monarchy/government is the one that grants the fee not that they have any legal or equitable right to the land.

To clarify, the monarchy, or the government has no overruling rights over individual fee, except for churches on unregistered land patches that may have duties of maintenance etc, but they are no different from US HOA enforced Deed restrictions and have no impact on the actual ownership of the land. So no, in England they don't just rent their land. In any system of government, any owned land will pass back to the government if there is absolutely no one else alive that it can inheret it according to the laws of the land. Similarly all land is granted by the government on some level, via registration or statute.

Just clarifying. Personally I think the monarchy are a waste of space and provide England no value besides tabloid sensationalism. Being English I could give a minor shit who the next king is. I just hate legal misrepresentations for fairly obvious reasons.

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#47190 - 01/22/11 04:03 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
In general, monarchies nauseate me – spoiled children whose claim to fame is being born to other spoiled children.


=thread killed.

Although I realize you ultimately made a larger point about stratification and all it entails (good and bad), I think it's fair to say that the "I care who is the next British monarch" tune is a song sung by faeries.

JK
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#47192 - 01/22/11 04:46 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Jason King]
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@ Jason King.

I could care less who was the next American President. Palin just for the lulz. Why? I am British.

You as an American would say:
""I care who is the next British monarch" tune is a song sung by faeries."

However, as British subjects the people of Britain do care who will be the next monarch. Personally I am supporting William, and dread his father Charles taking the throne.
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#47201 - 01/22/11 08:56 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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Why would you care who will be the next monarch? That's like feeding the dog that shits in your garden.

We have a monarchy here and even when they don't wield any real power, I wouldn't mind if we'd hang them by the feet like Mussolini. I don't consider them precious at any level.

Most of them are inbred so why would we even consider them as special or support them being in control?

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#47202 - 01/22/11 09:41 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Diavolo]
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@ Diavolo
1. Because they are my monarch.
2. Because I am British.
3. Because I am a nationalist who loves my nation and my monarch.
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#47219 - 01/23/11 01:19 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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One needn't be a British citizen to appreciate and respect the admirable job that the royal family, and especially HM the Queen, have done throughout their lifetimes.

Each nation has come up through the years, and in this case the centuries, with its unique heritage, including form(s) of government. In the UK the monarchy has successfully evolved from its ancient, feudal authority to, if you will, the "chief servant" of Britain. Its members are expected to be selfless, conscientious, humanitarian, and sympathetic. Simultaneously they are expected to at every moment personify and represent everything that is noble and great in the British character. Before you sneer at any part of this, consider what a lifelong strain it is - and how well you yourself could endure it if in any of their shoes. And remember that the flip-side of being born into that station is that you cannot ever escape it.

HM the Queen has done an almost superhuman job during her entire reign, and during an era of extreme pressures on the UK (such as the disintegration of its Empire and subsequent uncertainties within the Commonwealth). She has maintained her presence, poise, and positive influence throughout numerous changes-of-government (often in very contentious political times). She has rightly earned a place in history as one of the world's greatest leaders of all time.

Where the Prince of Wales is concerned, I just as unhesitatingly stand up for his lifelong integrity and public service. His and Diana's unfortunate marriage experience is just that: unfortunate, and clearly disheartening to both of them. It is callous and cruel to hang it around his neck like an albatross. And before otherwise dismissing him, may I suggest that you take a careful, informed look at all the good he has done and continues to do for the nation; you can start right here.
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#47223 - 01/23/11 05:34 AM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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@ Michael A.Aquino

Well said.
The haters of the British monarchy seem to ignore the amount of good they do. Duties, charity work, playing to tradition and etiquette is hard and restrictive if one is not used to it, which is a reason why so many of the marriages broke down between the royals and outsiders.
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#47278 - 01/23/11 10:01 PM Re: Prince William should be King [Re: mabon2010]
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Considering im a Eton College (interestingly enough i was in the same year as Harry), Oxford and Dartmouth (the Royal Navy version of Sandhurst) graduate, I think I know the role of the royal family in the British armed forces. Before you ask I left because I felt I was being pushed towards my father's career not my own.
The attitude of the British Military would be what would he want to do, like when Prince Andrew served in the falklands as a naval helicoptor pilot.

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