#58486 - 08/22/11 08:34 PM
Re: Veganism; It could kill you.
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Autodidact
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Not only that, agriculture also requires an awful lot of water which poses yet another problem when completely switching to it.
Yeah, but you need that anyway, to feed the cows, even if just to "finish" them.
I'm sticking with my original idea - ban the Haber-Bosch process, move to organic agriculture, and eat ourselves down to a sustainable population.
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#67345 - 06/16/12 08:46 PM
Re: Veganism; It could kill you.
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FemaleSatan
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I am primarily vegetarian. I eat meat but it's a rarity anymore.
Why rare? I never really thought about where meat comes from until I started hunting and cleaning my own game. Seeing the blood, etc associated with eating meat changed my appetite, changed the way I view meat in general.
Once you actually have the literal blood on your hands involved with actually killing a living thing (even if it's just an animal) do you 'get' what you are eating. Something that bleeds, something that feels pain, something that may feel emotions, etc.
Ever since I started hunting meat and the thought of eating it makes me slightly nauseous.
Broccoli doesn't bleed. Lettuce doesn't have eyes that stare at you. Beans don't have bladders you can accidentally pop while cleaning them and smell that smell.
I think if more people hunted, the general view of meat would be less cavalier.
Edited by FemaleSatan (06/16/12 08:48 PM)
Edit Reason: damn phone ie, typos
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#67438 - 06/19/12 02:58 PM
Re: Veganism; It could kill you.
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Erich Zann
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Or maybe you should start to inform yourself about veganism before making statements about hairs falling out and people losing their life...
Eating only "that plant crap" won't harm you if you do it right. There are loads of vegetarians and vegans out there who practiced that way of eating for years - and wow, they're neither getting ugly, nor do they lose their hair and on top they seem pretty alive too.
I myself am a vegetarian for about 8 years now, lived vegan for half a year some time ago just to try it (I stopped back then because one basic product for vegan cooking wasn't produced anymore and furthermore after a while the taste wasn't my kind of thing any longer). And I have to tell you: I'm neither the pale small guy with a scabby bald head, nor am I starting every sentence with "Listen carefully, for these could be my last words!".
I did not eat any kind of meat, fish, poultry or basically anything that is able to shit for nearly a decade and I'm still waiting for the bad results to come.
Bryan Adams, Anthony Kiedis, Jared Leto, Moby, Phil Collins, Serj Tankian, Demi Moore, Joaquin Phoenix, Pamela Anderson, Toby Maguire, Weird Al Yankovic - all of those well known persons, and lots more, are vegetarians or vegans. Especially the musicians often have long and hard tours to do - do you think they could make it if their way of living was as deadly as you think it is?
I'm not one of those guys who try to convince everybody that eating meat was wrong. Actually, I don't give a single fuck what you eat as long as you don't expect me to eat it too. But these "we have to eat meat", "our DNA wants it", "not eating meat will kill you"-arguments are simply outdated and utter crap. They were true several hundreds or thousands of years ago, when humans really had to fight for their life everyday.
In nowadays living conditions where nearly everything is available on demand and the danger of being attacked by a wild animal outside of your house is rather small, it really doesn't matter anymore, as long as you know how to get what your body needs.
@ FemaleSatan: Your attitude is a pretty good one in my opinion. Those who hunt their own food at least know what it takes until you get the steak on your table. It's interesting how lots of people shiver when they see how a cow or pig is killed at a farm -even through the comforting distance of television- but then put the piles of sausages on their plate some minutes later - hey, maybe they grew on trees...
Edited by Erich Zann (06/19/12 03:09 PM)
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#68330 - 07/04/12 04:43 PM
Re: Veganism; It could kill you.
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Robert Paulson
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Has anyone given thought to plants and what they endure? On Valentine's Day men give women flowers. Those are plant genitals! Farmers take plants' babies (seeds), bury them in the ground, cover them with a mixture of dirt and excrement, and then drown them under water. When the children grow to a reasonable height, they are "harvested", just a fancy word for slaughtered. These plants are ripped from their homes (the ground), placed in containers with no room to breathe, and chopped into little bits. Plants are life forms, too! I am glad that one member mentioned the song by Tool that talks about the carrot holocaust. It really puts things into perspective.
PETA members show people videos in which cows are dropped from hooks into pens. How would PETA members respond to videos showing bales of hay being thrown into piles? The PETA videos show livestock being teased and mistreated. How about radishes, which are sliced into rose-petal shapes? I've never seen a carnivore try to guilt-trip a vegan. Food guilt is a path to mind-controland part of the Right Hand Path lifestyle. Free your stomachs and your minds will follow.
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#68358 - 07/05/12 01:33 PM
Re: Veganism; It could kill you.
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Erich Zann
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I've never seen a carnivore try to guilt-trip a vegan.
Nope, but there are a hell lot of carnivores who brag about how manly and necessary meat is and that vegans, vegetarians or basically anybody who refuses to eat everything you put under his nose is a weak and weird pussy.
This is just the same - the one side wants to convince you that eating meat is bad and the others want to convince you that not eating meat is bad. Both are annoying as fuck.
And by the way: Just beacause there is the possibility that plants experience similar feelings (if they can at all) as animals do when being cut off/killed is no reason to say "nah, just fuck it" if you used to live without meat.
Food guilt is a path to mind-controland part of the Right Hand Path lifestyle. Free your stomachs and your minds will follow.
Why is it mind control if you think about what you eat and then decide to stop eating certain things after you made up your mind? And what does this have to do with the RHP?
And defining the freedom of ones mind by his way of eating is simply bullshit. Quite the contrary, if somebody gives up their own credo just because someone else doesn't think it's good, that would be mind control or weakness.
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#68529 - 07/08/12 10:17 AM
Re: Veganism; It could kill you.
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Erich Zann
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In that case you have to distinguish between people who live/eat after special rules because any kind of organization told them to do and those who live that way because of their own, personal decision. The first ones, which was never a question, can indeed be called controlled, but the second group just lives how it wants to.
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#68609 - 07/09/12 05:20 PM
Re: Veganism; It could kill you.
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Robert Paulson
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Erich Zann said,
"In that case you have to distinguish between people who live/eat after special rules because any kind of organization told them to do and those who live that way because of their own, personal decision. The first ones, which was never a question, can indeed be called controlled, but the second group just lives how it wants to."
I see your point, Herr Zann. I was thinking along the lines of Moslems and Orthodox Jews who limit their intake for bizarre reasons. Those would fall into your first group. The second group does so for two reasons: 1. They receive faulty information about food or delude themselves into thinking that their new diet makes them more moral than most people 2. They really just want to eat more healthily.
For the ones seeking health, I see the idea behind what they are doing. The ex-vegan who made that webpage came to the conclusion that his diet was insufficient so he upgraded to include meat. He was sensible, so I give him credit. Thank-you, Herr Zann, for encouraging me to make that distinction. A good forum encourages people to think and rethink their positions. That's what I like about The 600 Club.
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