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#44765 - 12/09/10 12:50 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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You quote LaVey and there is even a possibility that he could have been wrong on certain issues. Life is way to short to try to sort everyone else's life out and every person is different. Satanist's themselves are very different and have many different beliefs. That is why we are satanists to be able to believe as we shall and be true to ourselves. You can only help someone so long and if it isn't working out then that is it. Well, I wish you luck.
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#44779 - 12/09/10 09:19 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: manofsteel]
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@Aklo - While I appreciate the effort you took to find that link for me, I have read the thread already. The question that I asked Morgan was simply an example of the thread topic. Asking for help in an uneducated manner. And that thread serves as an excellent example for how people react to other people "asking for help without being either serious or educated" about it. Thank you. Good compliment to my point.

@ManofSteel - I have trailed back through the thread and I am not sure where it is that I quoted LeVay at all. However, he may have been wrong about things. Human nature to be wrong about some things. Yes, everyone's Satanism is fairly different from one another. There may be some similarities, like a common footing in TSB, but it is a very individualistic philosophy/religion/perspective ect, ect. This is what makes Satanism and those who are a part of it unique.

@Fist - When you write "..don't wear a halo because of it".. Bleeding heart liberals come to mind.
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#44781 - 12/09/10 11:00 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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While I appreciate the effort you took to find that link for me,


Thanks, but it wasn't any effort. That's the point.

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I have read the thread already. The question that I asked Morgan was simply an example of the thread topic.


So it's just a rhetorical question? What's the point of all the rhetoric? What do you stand to gain by engaging Morgan in your, complaining process? She knows exactly how to deal with apparent losers, and you have seen this already, yes?

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And that thread serves as an excellent example for how people react to other people "asking for help without being either serious or educated" about it. Thank you. Good compliment to my point.


I'm trying to find out what you want to accomplish. I've been reading your posts, and you seem to talk in circles. Maybe I'm just stupid. Could you make it clearer?

You seem to be unhappy with people, perhaps just people at some other site, who are taking a "moral" stance with you even though they are supposed to be LHP. So? These people would be, psychic vampires. They are trying to find and press your buttons, to agitate you so they can feed off your energy. And it seems to be working!

In this sense you remind me of, any number of cute girls I have met (and sodomized) in connection with things like Rocky Horror and wiccan covens. People are taking advantage of your attunement to relationships and peer group settings to, stir you up and make you act out. This is, amusing and profitable. Capiche?

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I have trailed back through the thread and I am not sure where it is that I quoted LeVay at all. However, he may have been wrong about things.


He was Wrong about everything! By design! He was an atheistic devil-worshipper! He was an individualistic Nazi! He glorified Wrongness like no man living!

But he was never mistaken. It was all intentional, and it worked.

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When you write "..don't wear a halo because of it".. Bleeding heart liberals come to mind.


You also come to mind, though. In the midst of trying to vilify these people who are being moral with you and thereby aggravating you, you seem to be taking a moral stance yourself. You appear to be trying to demonstrate that they are wrong and that you are right. I'm going to advise you to give up this dualism altogether.

Simplify things. Forget right and wrong, black and white. Go to the heart of the matter. They are annoying, and as long as it works, their magic is stronger than yours. Take charge, symbolically destroy them using methods well-known here, and thereby stop being annoyed. When you see them, laugh, knowing that the only reason they aren't dead yet is because death would be a release from the suffering. Thrust aloft the bifid barb of hell, etc.

In short, get over it ...
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#44784 - 12/09/10 11:41 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Aklo]
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I think you are mistaken in trying to assume I am trying to fit the role of the pointing of the finger and "proving who is right and who is wrong". But hey, that's my opinion.

I do not think I talk in circles. I do believe that I have been pretty much to the point. When it comes to what I asked Morgan, what does it matter what I have asked? Reasons, examples, trying to get my point across.

I am well over the situation that I used as an example for this thread. Again, maybe next time I can leave out the example so the point doesn't get lost in transit.

As for whose magic is stronger than the next? What do I care? I have long since this post forgotten about her and whatever it is she does. Which, again, was NOT the point of the thread.

May I also point out, that I have been the one saying that I DO NOT try to hold hands with those that act in such an uneducated manner. Not the other way around, so how does "wearing a halo" apply to me? If anything, I try to push off these people. Psychic vampires, eh.. sure, whatever. That works.

With that being said. Maybe you should re-read and clarify yourself since it does seem that you are mistaken. Then again, I wouldn't want to be thinking in black and white. Maybe I should find the gray area and say that you are right and I am wrong? Oh no, black and white again..

For future reference, get to know me a bit more before you make assumptions about what I am really about. Or not, doesn't matter to me. Thanks.
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#44785 - 12/09/10 12:57 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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I do not think I talk in circles. I do believe that I have been pretty much to the point.


Do you seriously not see how hilarious you are? Here, read this again:

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In a more recent conversation, none too lacking the bullshit drama of getting large groups of stupid people together in one place, there has been a number at large getting a bad wrap by the great divide. What great divide you ask? Could it possible there is a line and everyone is choosing whether or not they want to be one side or the other? Oh yes, my friends. Certainly there is a great divide. Do you choose to walk the line or choose a side? What if you had no choice? I, for one, have always been about choice here, there, everywhere.


You periodically walk past the point, and pretend not to look at it, in the course of making your interminable rounds. You use 50 words where one would do, and leave out the 7 that would at least make the 50 make rational sense. You talk and talk and talk, but when do you ever say anything?

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When it comes to what I asked Morgan, what does it matter what I have asked?


EXACTLY.

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Reasons, examples, trying to get my point across.


What point? That stupid people are stupid? That annoying people are annoying? You already got that point across back at "deistic".

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For future reference, get to know me a bit more before you make assumptions about what I am really about.


This is the internet, you stand or fall based on your posts. I have read all your posts. They are gibberish. I'm talking to you now because I like you anyway. You seem to be groping for something. It's here. But word salad isn't going to get you to it. Words have meaning. They don't mean whatever you want them to mean. Pretend that every concept is subjective and relative and next thing you know, all meaning is lost. Here, read this

http://hermetic.com/crowley/the-vision-and-the-voice/aetyr10.html

That's what that endless spinning wheel of thought becomes. Be careful. Facts are facts. Opinions are lies. Both are sense though. This, is not.
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#44789 - 12/09/10 02:46 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Aklo]
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Ease down a bit Aklo, at least this girl is finding her way and looking for a purpose while travelling trough the abyss.

You on the other hand are a 40-year old guy who THINKS to have everything sorted out whili on the other hand you are probably the most misguided and lost soul.
Give it a break and try to get your feet back on the ground, I'll be more then happy to make you crashing down when the posturing continues.
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#44802 - 12/09/10 08:56 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Dimitri]
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To do service does not always mean to do something for others. If it is done with the thought of a reward, it is not at all service. It is a deed of mean commercialism. It is inevitable that science and machinery and capitalism and materialism are united as one whole in a successful manner as profiteering individuals argue as simple quid pro quo. When this aspect of society is understood as such, Satanism becomes lucidly percipent according to the founding forefather (LaVey)and the practice of the virtue of service is comprehended no more than Pharisaism (hypocrisy).

Enough said.
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#44803 - 12/09/10 09:35 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Aklo]
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Brevity is the soul of wit. I recall reading that somewhere...

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You periodically walk past the point, and pretend not to look at it, in the course of making your interminable rounds. You use 50 words where one would do, and leave out the 7 that would at least make the 50 make rational sense. You talk and talk and talk, but when do you ever say anything?


Now, I don't know Aklo from Adam, but the man has a point. In fact, more than a few people have said the same thing. The object of the exercise here is Enlightenment. In general, self-improvement should be somewhere in your overall plan. Food for thought.

If your breath stinks a friend will tell you. I think this falls nicely into the category of 'service to others.'

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#44804 - 12/09/10 09:42 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Fist]
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@Fist - Shakespeare wrote great things.


I will admit I have a tendency to write probably a lot more than it takes to get a certain point across. This comes from wanting to have all my bases covered in a post. However, it seems to me that this should probably be a habit I drop in the future.



Besides all that, I actually enjoy the critiquing of whatever it is I happen to post. Lessons learned and all that.
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#44988 - 12/16/10 02:11 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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Don't drop anything. You are just being cautious and there is nothing wrong with that. Everything of yours I have read so far is good and informative of your thoughts and that is the way it should be so don't worry so much. Keep being real. Keep being you.
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#45062 - 12/17/10 10:53 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: manofsteel]
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 Originally Posted By: manofsteel
Don't drop anything. You are just being cautious and there is nothing wrong with that. Everything of yours I have read so far is good and informative of your thoughts and that is the way it should be so don't worry so much. Keep being real. Keep being you.


Being real and being me means constantly evolving when it comes to everything that there is about me. If that means that I change some things like the way I write.. then so be it. If it lacks a certain example or two, I am sure there are people here that will point it out. LOLs.

That being said, thanks for being one of the handful that can seem to read my posts and have something useful to reply with. \:\)


Edited by OrgasmicKarmatic (12/17/10 11:38 AM)
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#45066 - 12/17/10 02:15 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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(Let's veer this thing back on topic)

I'll help someone if I can get something in return. It doesn't even have to be something tangible. This can be misconstrued for a selfless act, while in reality it is a selfish act. If someone wastes my time and energy, I will drop that person like a brick and turn my attention to things I find worthwhile. It's really that simple.

So, to summarize and reword into something more generic:

I need to be enticed. Offer me something in return and I will do my best to accommodate. Waste my time and prepare to be ignored. People can give me all kinds of motivations and try to lay all kinds of guilt trips on me to compel me to assist, but as long as I don't see a gain (whatever it is), I will not lift a finger.

This actually works great as a filter. I have driven people to frustration because I stick to this almost religiously. Almost always said people turned out to be psychic vampires trying just to leech me dry. People that do know me well however regard me as a generous person though. Guess why? \:\)
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#45078 - 12/17/10 03:58 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Dutch Satanist]
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 Originally Posted By: Dutch Satanist
(Let's veer this thing back on topic)

I'll help someone if I can get something in return. It doesn't even have to be something tangible. This can be misconstrued for a selfless act, while in reality it is a selfish act. If someone wastes my time and energy, I will drop that person like a brick and turn my attention to things I find worthwhile. It's really that simple.

So, to summarize and reword into something more generic:

I need to be enticed. Offer me something in return and I will do my best to accommodate. Waste my time and prepare to be ignored. People can give me all kinds of motivations and try to lay all kinds of guilt trips on me to compel me to assist, but as long as I don't see a gain (whatever it is), I will not lift a finger.

This actually works great as a filter. I have driven people to frustration because I stick to this almost religiously. Almost always said people turned out to be psychic vampires trying just to leech me dry. People that do know me well however regard me as a generous person though. Guess why? \:\)


Describes me to a 'T' as well. Some people who would fit the Satanic definition of "psychic vampires" have called me an asshole, while others have came out and said while it was annoying that I didn't loan them money or something, they respected that I was honest about it. Many others just lie and say "I don't have any money right now, sorry" and go out and buy something right after, etc.

I have come to find that there is nothing but "selfishness" in reality; even the person who gives to Church, their time to volunteer; all of them have at some point (whether personally or externally influenced to be this way) found it to be personally *gratifying* to them. It may help others, but there is always something in it for people, hence this is also 'selfish' in my book.

Embrace it, accept it, and do not get "bitten." Pesky vampires! :P
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#45085 - 12/17/10 05:00 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: JWG]
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@DutchSatanist - This is a very good method to follow in life. I tend to do that same thing. However, I also add in the arena of "vampire", those who choose not to help themselves before asking for help. Simply because these people tend to be the individuals that are asking for help simply so you can do all their work for them.

Not interested!
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#45241 - 12/19/10 01:52 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene is worth a read.

It is a particular recommended read for the Luciferians, appearing on our recommended lists.

As a sample of the work, this site details a summary of the 48 laws.

NOTE LAW 7
Get others to do the Work for you, but Always Take the Credit.

NOTE LAW 13
When Asking for Help, Appeal to People’s Self-Interest.

NOTE LAW 40
Despise the Free Lunch.
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