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#44598 - 12/04/10 10:19 PM Service to others in Satanism
OrgasmicKarmatic Offline
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Fluffy, cotton candy, RHP .. call them what you will but they are out there. In a more recent conversation, none too lacking the bullshit drama of getting large groups of stupid people together in one place, there has been a number at large getting a bad wrap by the great divide. What great divide you ask? Could it possible there is a line and everyone is choosing whether or not they want to be one side or the other? Oh yes, my friends. Certainly there is a great divide. Do you choose to walk the line or choose a side? What if you had no choice? I, for one, have always been about choice here, there, everywhere. I choose and do for myself regardless of those around me. If it's better for me, then fuck it right?

I have been taking notice at other sites that I am a part of this invisible line is being projected through the wills of others whom cry that ignorance to their beliefs is being done. They are being wronged in the essence of not being able to be heard. I can hear you loud and clear. I just don't care.

Playing the victim instead of claiming the title of hypocrite is surely the cowardice way of doing it. The great divide between spiritual Satanism and Individualistic Satanism is huge in other places. Not so much here as we all can actually stand our own grounds when coming under attack. But back to the topic at hand here. (Trouble concentrating, I apologize for this.)

It has been introduced into another site that self service by doing service to others is a genuinely good idea. We have all gotten those ill received thread posts that ask about the most dumb things that you could readily google if you were truly interested in it. There is a member that has decided to take this responsibility upon themselves. Open their hand by offering more than what I consider their responsibility to offer. If that is what she so wishes, then sure, let her right? This member though, has made it a point to turn her nose down at others that do not make similar attempts. She believes that it is a service to the devil and herself to do this. To the point of making these false posts to "prove her point"?

Now I will address quickly as to why this even pertains to me.. why I even care about the selfless RHP actions of another Satanists as even LeVay has proclaimed that it is okay for one to conform to what they wish because that is what they wish. However, I have a big issue being looked upon in a negative light because I do not do so myself. If anyone paid attention to my first intro, I had a round about with a couple people here.. and they challenged what I was talking about and with that challenge it opened my eyes and helped me preform more research (that I also did MYSELF) to mature my thoughts more. THIS is something that I believe is "helping others help themselves". These two didn't give me any information, they forced me to provide information about what I was talking about.. forced me to stand on my OWN two feet and then mature my thoughts so that I could strengthen myself as a person and a Satanist.

She asks."Well what if they cannot figure out how to ask correctly?" What is that any of my problem? It's not. Challenge, trial by error.. this is how we learn and how we obtain information and how we mature our perspectives. When we are challenged we are forced to look at it on a deeper level and asked to defend it.. if it falls through, then we look at it even more and redefine what it is that we believe. This is the learning process.

You can't teach stupid.. you can modify ignorance. Push comes to shove however, you get what you give. And if you happen to give out bullshit, be prepared to take it right on back. Playing the victim does nothing when you are not a victim. Even then, these days victims don't get anything but a box of tissues. If you have something to say.. say it or stfu, in my opinion. If what you say cannot hold a candle, nevertheless survive the fire of someone elses challenges or even simple questions only meant to further THEIR understand of your methodology .. then you are not the victim, you just need to do more research and refine yourself. If you dip out without even taking a stand, you are a coward.
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#44600 - 12/04/10 11:10 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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I've been sick, so maybe it's me, but I'm not sure I understand this post at all.

It appears, to me, to boil down to this:

 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
However, I have a big issue being looked upon in a negative light because I do not do so myself.


... in which case I would say, "Who cares what they think?" Or, phrased in a manner that, judging from your mood in this post, seems more appropriate, "Why is it important to you to conform, or to be perceived as conforming, to their behavioral models?"

You are surrounded by the mentally lazy. They build simple dichotomies, because it's easy. There is no line, and there are way more than two sides. Ignore the conversation on that other site, it's a waste of your time.
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#44602 - 12/04/10 11:27 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Autodidact]
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This is easier said than done it seems by many that interact on this particular site. And I do my best to ignore what is being said by these particulars. On the other side of the coin though, it must be realized that their voiced opinion needs to be challenged and these particulars run away every time.

Also, I can deal with being looked down upon. What does it matter in the end anyways? I am going to continue doing as I wish. However, when you are going to smite me, I am going to destroy you. This member has several times jumped on me and has refused to give her design in a rational matter other than sitting there crying about the injustices of being spiritual. Is your spiritual demeanor REALLY going to be affected by my being a "meanie"? It shouldn't right? However, every time it is an attack on her belief system. Honestly, I had respect for that person.. but at least I can say she can prove ONE THING.. and that is looks really are deceiving. Don't judge me without knowing me and then piss in your pants with me when you find out how incorrect you are.. Coward. Ya getting where I am coming from now?
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#44605 - 12/05/10 01:47 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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You can either stay at the other site and put up with her bullshit or leave.

It makes no difference to anyone.

You make/made the choice to deal with an idiot instead of walking away and ignoring them.

All it seems is that you are venting about another site here.

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#44606 - 12/05/10 02:13 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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Perhaps, that is true and as an admin I'd rather boot them before I left the site. However, the site's runner will not let that be allowed. So there they stay.

My main point of this thread was actually more towards the idea of someone trying help someone that won't help themselves than it was of the user that I was explaining that had this certain perspective. The user has nothing to do with it with the exception that she was who I chose to use as an example.

With that being said, also I would like to point out that although it was a slight rant against this idea, it was still the exposure of something that I have noticed lately and disagree with. I have no issues ignoring this user. There are many ways to do so. However, I have my opinions and I am going to voice them through whatever means I deem necessary.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
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#44607 - 12/05/10 02:45 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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It's disrespectful to THIS site, however, to be dragging your problems from another site to here to air your grievances against someone who is not affiliated with this site. What do you hope to gain? Going from site to site, hoping to gin up support is simply juvenile, and the 600 Club has never engaged in that kind of petty cross-site bickering.

We do occasionally get people here who can't seem to get along with people, and we've some very capable and very active Admin people who take care of that quickly. This site has earned a reputation for having a very low tolerance for bullshit and game playing.
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#44608 - 12/05/10 03:33 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Jake999]
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I believe this is more of a misunderstanding than anything else. I wasn't trying to drag anything over here so much as point out that service to a person via helping them to help themselves is a useless matter. I do not need support in the matter between this person and I since it has cleared itself up and it was between her and myself.

I'm sorry if it seems like I was doing anything other than offering an example of what I was speaking out about. Perhaps, next time I will leave out the example so that this misunderstanding of what the topic really was about won't get lost in the example itself.

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#44618 - 12/05/10 11:59 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
I wasn't trying to drag anything over here so much as point out that service to a person via helping them to help themselves is a useless matter.


Ah, I get it now.

I see from your profile that you're 24. This is an important lesson for you, as you will deal with the rest of your life.

People have their own understanding of how the world works, their own mental model. They think and act, remember and justify, based on that framework.

Few are willing to examine this model critically and consider modifying it. The vast majority literally live their life by it. If they are unwilling to examine their own framework, you cannot "help" them do so. Any attempt to do so is perceived as an attack on all they hold dear, literally.

Always remember this. It's the basis of virtually every form of useful communication (and LBM, for that matter). (In my mental model, anyway ) For example, notice how political campaigns leverage this. Notice how good managers try to improve their team members. Notice how "good listeners" work in a conversation. Notice how some moms get their kids to do things, while others seem to fight for every step.

In cases like you describe, you cannot "help her help herself", whatever that means, by opposing her worldview. You cannot succeed, because she does not want to. Understand her worldview, and leverage it to get what you need, if anything; otherwise, it's a waste of your time.
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#44620 - 12/05/10 12:14 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Autodidact]
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Any attempt to do so is perceived as an attack on all they hold dear, literally.


This is very true and I have seen this principle in action on many occasions. My mom used to spend a lot of money buying crap from that "psychic" Sylvia Brown. I tried, on many occasions, to explain to her that Sylvia Brown and all others like her are frauds and that she is only wasting her money.

I was honestly trying to help her but from her point of view I was being an asshole for doubting something that to her was very important.

So I ultimately just decided to drop it; she is an adult who can spend her money how she sees fit and obviously I wasn't getting through. Eventually she dropped the habit on her own but I like to think I played somewhat of a role in that decision. Now if only I could get her to give up Astrology and "crystal healing".
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#44621 - 12/05/10 12:24 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I believe sometimes you can help others to help themselves and sometimes it will be useful for both, you and the other, but a bit is required.

First they must have the need to change / learn and they must have actively looking for that change / learning experience, they also must have reached a point in which they have exhausted most of the usual venues in which they can learn how to help themselves in that matter to be able to receive correctly that help / learning, for then only they will look for help in more experienced hands and will do so in a honest way.

Keep in mind that you cannot help them directly, for giving them the answer to their problems will only make them lazy.

You can help them by being an example or by suggesting a door they may have not explored for their dilemma, giving them pertinent questions for them to answer the best way they can on a subject-related way.

This approach is one of a teacher, I believe, and more than actually giving them the help their need you just make a way in which they can move forward wherever they have found themselves to be stuck.

This is useful also for those who are helping / teaching, for anyone who has taught a class on any subject have probably realized that they tend to understand the subject they are talking about more and more each time they teach it.

Best.

(Spell checker used, however I apologize if something isn't clear or made some grammar mistake there.)
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#44687 - 12/06/10 09:45 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: HeimiricIX]
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I am truly of the belief that if a person cannot help themselves then they are not worthy of my help. I do agree if you give someone everything that it makes them lazy. If you really wanted to know something that bad you can easily type what you wish to learn about in google and get a answer. Even if it is an superficial jump off point. It still points you in a better direction than you would be headed if you didn't do any research at all..

Edited by OrgasmicKarmatic (12/06/10 09:47 PM)
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#44701 - 12/07/10 07:57 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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"I am truly of the belief that if a person cannot help themselves then they are not worthy of my help."

That is a contradiction to say the least.

If they can help themselves, they don't need your help.

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#44728 - 12/07/10 10:02 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"I am truly of the belief that if a person cannot help themselves then they are not worthy of my help."

That is a contradiction to say the least.

If they can help themselves, they don't need your help.

M.


Perhaps, I should rephrase that then? If they don't have the self motivation to at least get a starting run on the bit, then I do not feel that it is my "duty" to show them in a right or better direction. If they showed that they at least had tried in some form of way to get some kind of information and offered up this information for further advice or maybe even challenge by other members of whatever community they were a part of, then I would be more likely to put thought into offering up some type of light.

However, if you cannot form that motivation to get your own "starter kit", why should I see any reason to provide it for you? These concepts are not difficult to understand and neither is a browser search system.

What are your views on the matter Morgan? Would you bother helping out someone that came here, obviously uneducated and not motivated to do their own research before asking for your advice, typing "lyk dis bout siris bizzniss lyk seelin yer soul to the devil"? Or would you tell them to do some research.. or would you simply tell them to eff off?
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#44730 - 12/07/10 10:12 PM try harder [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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What are your views on the matter Morgan? Would you bother helping out someone that came here, obviously uneducated and not motivated to do their own research before asking for your advice, typing "lyk dis bout siris bizzniss lyk seelin yer soul to the devil"? Or would you tell them to do some research.. or would you simply tell them to eff off?


WTF !?!

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
If you are lazy, and need help in order to properly give up your soul to Satan, I can help you for a small fee.

You would need to place $666.66 into my paypal account. Include your full name, address, place and time of birth. As well as ...


http://www.the600club.com/topic38376-1.html#Post38436

It took me like 10 seconds to find that!
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#44731 - 12/07/10 10:36 PM Re: try harder [Re: Aklo]
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As a general rule, it is perfectly acceptable to assist like minds and fellow travelers in the spirit of Enlightened Self-Interest. This is the foundation of Social Contract Theory. However, 'assistance' of the White Light RHP Secular Humanist variety usually ends up as some combination of sad, pathetic, and horrifying. 12 Step programs and Tower Blocks come immediately to mind.

All too often, would-be occult practitioners of the White Light RHP Secular Humanist pseudo-wiccan variety will pass themselves off as 'satanists.' A sheep in wolf's clothing is still a sheep - even if it is black sheep.

Devotes of Modern Satanism, should, at all times, remember that TSB is founded on "Might Is Right."

Help others if it suits your purpose, but do not wear a halo because of it.
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#44765 - 12/09/10 12:50 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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You quote LaVey and there is even a possibility that he could have been wrong on certain issues. Life is way to short to try to sort everyone else's life out and every person is different. Satanist's themselves are very different and have many different beliefs. That is why we are satanists to be able to believe as we shall and be true to ourselves. You can only help someone so long and if it isn't working out then that is it. Well, I wish you luck.
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#44779 - 12/09/10 09:19 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: manofsteel]
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@Aklo - While I appreciate the effort you took to find that link for me, I have read the thread already. The question that I asked Morgan was simply an example of the thread topic. Asking for help in an uneducated manner. And that thread serves as an excellent example for how people react to other people "asking for help without being either serious or educated" about it. Thank you. Good compliment to my point.

@ManofSteel - I have trailed back through the thread and I am not sure where it is that I quoted LeVay at all. However, he may have been wrong about things. Human nature to be wrong about some things. Yes, everyone's Satanism is fairly different from one another. There may be some similarities, like a common footing in TSB, but it is a very individualistic philosophy/religion/perspective ect, ect. This is what makes Satanism and those who are a part of it unique.

@Fist - When you write "..don't wear a halo because of it".. Bleeding heart liberals come to mind.
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#44781 - 12/09/10 11:00 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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While I appreciate the effort you took to find that link for me,


Thanks, but it wasn't any effort. That's the point.

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I have read the thread already. The question that I asked Morgan was simply an example of the thread topic.


So it's just a rhetorical question? What's the point of all the rhetoric? What do you stand to gain by engaging Morgan in your, complaining process? She knows exactly how to deal with apparent losers, and you have seen this already, yes?

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And that thread serves as an excellent example for how people react to other people "asking for help without being either serious or educated" about it. Thank you. Good compliment to my point.


I'm trying to find out what you want to accomplish. I've been reading your posts, and you seem to talk in circles. Maybe I'm just stupid. Could you make it clearer?

You seem to be unhappy with people, perhaps just people at some other site, who are taking a "moral" stance with you even though they are supposed to be LHP. So? These people would be, psychic vampires. They are trying to find and press your buttons, to agitate you so they can feed off your energy. And it seems to be working!

In this sense you remind me of, any number of cute girls I have met (and sodomized) in connection with things like Rocky Horror and wiccan covens. People are taking advantage of your attunement to relationships and peer group settings to, stir you up and make you act out. This is, amusing and profitable. Capiche?

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I have trailed back through the thread and I am not sure where it is that I quoted LeVay at all. However, he may have been wrong about things.


He was Wrong about everything! By design! He was an atheistic devil-worshipper! He was an individualistic Nazi! He glorified Wrongness like no man living!

But he was never mistaken. It was all intentional, and it worked.

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When you write "..don't wear a halo because of it".. Bleeding heart liberals come to mind.


You also come to mind, though. In the midst of trying to vilify these people who are being moral with you and thereby aggravating you, you seem to be taking a moral stance yourself. You appear to be trying to demonstrate that they are wrong and that you are right. I'm going to advise you to give up this dualism altogether.

Simplify things. Forget right and wrong, black and white. Go to the heart of the matter. They are annoying, and as long as it works, their magic is stronger than yours. Take charge, symbolically destroy them using methods well-known here, and thereby stop being annoyed. When you see them, laugh, knowing that the only reason they aren't dead yet is because death would be a release from the suffering. Thrust aloft the bifid barb of hell, etc.

In short, get over it ...
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#44784 - 12/09/10 11:41 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Aklo]
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I think you are mistaken in trying to assume I am trying to fit the role of the pointing of the finger and "proving who is right and who is wrong". But hey, that's my opinion.

I do not think I talk in circles. I do believe that I have been pretty much to the point. When it comes to what I asked Morgan, what does it matter what I have asked? Reasons, examples, trying to get my point across.

I am well over the situation that I used as an example for this thread. Again, maybe next time I can leave out the example so the point doesn't get lost in transit.

As for whose magic is stronger than the next? What do I care? I have long since this post forgotten about her and whatever it is she does. Which, again, was NOT the point of the thread.

May I also point out, that I have been the one saying that I DO NOT try to hold hands with those that act in such an uneducated manner. Not the other way around, so how does "wearing a halo" apply to me? If anything, I try to push off these people. Psychic vampires, eh.. sure, whatever. That works.

With that being said. Maybe you should re-read and clarify yourself since it does seem that you are mistaken. Then again, I wouldn't want to be thinking in black and white. Maybe I should find the gray area and say that you are right and I am wrong? Oh no, black and white again..

For future reference, get to know me a bit more before you make assumptions about what I am really about. Or not, doesn't matter to me. Thanks.
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#44785 - 12/09/10 12:57 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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I do not think I talk in circles. I do believe that I have been pretty much to the point.


Do you seriously not see how hilarious you are? Here, read this again:

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In a more recent conversation, none too lacking the bullshit drama of getting large groups of stupid people together in one place, there has been a number at large getting a bad wrap by the great divide. What great divide you ask? Could it possible there is a line and everyone is choosing whether or not they want to be one side or the other? Oh yes, my friends. Certainly there is a great divide. Do you choose to walk the line or choose a side? What if you had no choice? I, for one, have always been about choice here, there, everywhere.


You periodically walk past the point, and pretend not to look at it, in the course of making your interminable rounds. You use 50 words where one would do, and leave out the 7 that would at least make the 50 make rational sense. You talk and talk and talk, but when do you ever say anything?

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When it comes to what I asked Morgan, what does it matter what I have asked?


EXACTLY.

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Reasons, examples, trying to get my point across.


What point? That stupid people are stupid? That annoying people are annoying? You already got that point across back at "deistic".

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For future reference, get to know me a bit more before you make assumptions about what I am really about.


This is the internet, you stand or fall based on your posts. I have read all your posts. They are gibberish. I'm talking to you now because I like you anyway. You seem to be groping for something. It's here. But word salad isn't going to get you to it. Words have meaning. They don't mean whatever you want them to mean. Pretend that every concept is subjective and relative and next thing you know, all meaning is lost. Here, read this

http://hermetic.com/crowley/the-vision-and-the-voice/aetyr10.html

That's what that endless spinning wheel of thought becomes. Be careful. Facts are facts. Opinions are lies. Both are sense though. This, is not.
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#44789 - 12/09/10 02:46 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Aklo]
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Ease down a bit Aklo, at least this girl is finding her way and looking for a purpose while travelling trough the abyss.

You on the other hand are a 40-year old guy who THINKS to have everything sorted out whili on the other hand you are probably the most misguided and lost soul.
Give it a break and try to get your feet back on the ground, I'll be more then happy to make you crashing down when the posturing continues.
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#44802 - 12/09/10 08:56 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Dimitri]
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To do service does not always mean to do something for others. If it is done with the thought of a reward, it is not at all service. It is a deed of mean commercialism. It is inevitable that science and machinery and capitalism and materialism are united as one whole in a successful manner as profiteering individuals argue as simple quid pro quo. When this aspect of society is understood as such, Satanism becomes lucidly percipent according to the founding forefather (LaVey)and the practice of the virtue of service is comprehended no more than Pharisaism (hypocrisy).

Enough said.
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#44803 - 12/09/10 09:35 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Aklo]
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Brevity is the soul of wit. I recall reading that somewhere...

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You periodically walk past the point, and pretend not to look at it, in the course of making your interminable rounds. You use 50 words where one would do, and leave out the 7 that would at least make the 50 make rational sense. You talk and talk and talk, but when do you ever say anything?


Now, I don't know Aklo from Adam, but the man has a point. In fact, more than a few people have said the same thing. The object of the exercise here is Enlightenment. In general, self-improvement should be somewhere in your overall plan. Food for thought.

If your breath stinks a friend will tell you. I think this falls nicely into the category of 'service to others.'

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#44804 - 12/09/10 09:42 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Fist]
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@Fist - Shakespeare wrote great things.


I will admit I have a tendency to write probably a lot more than it takes to get a certain point across. This comes from wanting to have all my bases covered in a post. However, it seems to me that this should probably be a habit I drop in the future.



Besides all that, I actually enjoy the critiquing of whatever it is I happen to post. Lessons learned and all that.
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#44988 - 12/16/10 02:11 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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Don't drop anything. You are just being cautious and there is nothing wrong with that. Everything of yours I have read so far is good and informative of your thoughts and that is the way it should be so don't worry so much. Keep being real. Keep being you.
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#45062 - 12/17/10 10:53 AM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: manofsteel]
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 Originally Posted By: manofsteel
Don't drop anything. You are just being cautious and there is nothing wrong with that. Everything of yours I have read so far is good and informative of your thoughts and that is the way it should be so don't worry so much. Keep being real. Keep being you.


Being real and being me means constantly evolving when it comes to everything that there is about me. If that means that I change some things like the way I write.. then so be it. If it lacks a certain example or two, I am sure there are people here that will point it out. LOLs.

That being said, thanks for being one of the handful that can seem to read my posts and have something useful to reply with. \:\)


Edited by OrgasmicKarmatic (12/17/10 11:38 AM)
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#45066 - 12/17/10 02:15 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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(Let's veer this thing back on topic)

I'll help someone if I can get something in return. It doesn't even have to be something tangible. This can be misconstrued for a selfless act, while in reality it is a selfish act. If someone wastes my time and energy, I will drop that person like a brick and turn my attention to things I find worthwhile. It's really that simple.

So, to summarize and reword into something more generic:

I need to be enticed. Offer me something in return and I will do my best to accommodate. Waste my time and prepare to be ignored. People can give me all kinds of motivations and try to lay all kinds of guilt trips on me to compel me to assist, but as long as I don't see a gain (whatever it is), I will not lift a finger.

This actually works great as a filter. I have driven people to frustration because I stick to this almost religiously. Almost always said people turned out to be psychic vampires trying just to leech me dry. People that do know me well however regard me as a generous person though. Guess why? \:\)
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#45078 - 12/17/10 03:58 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Dutch Satanist]
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 Originally Posted By: Dutch Satanist
(Let's veer this thing back on topic)

I'll help someone if I can get something in return. It doesn't even have to be something tangible. This can be misconstrued for a selfless act, while in reality it is a selfish act. If someone wastes my time and energy, I will drop that person like a brick and turn my attention to things I find worthwhile. It's really that simple.

So, to summarize and reword into something more generic:

I need to be enticed. Offer me something in return and I will do my best to accommodate. Waste my time and prepare to be ignored. People can give me all kinds of motivations and try to lay all kinds of guilt trips on me to compel me to assist, but as long as I don't see a gain (whatever it is), I will not lift a finger.

This actually works great as a filter. I have driven people to frustration because I stick to this almost religiously. Almost always said people turned out to be psychic vampires trying just to leech me dry. People that do know me well however regard me as a generous person though. Guess why? \:\)


Describes me to a 'T' as well. Some people who would fit the Satanic definition of "psychic vampires" have called me an asshole, while others have came out and said while it was annoying that I didn't loan them money or something, they respected that I was honest about it. Many others just lie and say "I don't have any money right now, sorry" and go out and buy something right after, etc.

I have come to find that there is nothing but "selfishness" in reality; even the person who gives to Church, their time to volunteer; all of them have at some point (whether personally or externally influenced to be this way) found it to be personally *gratifying* to them. It may help others, but there is always something in it for people, hence this is also 'selfish' in my book.

Embrace it, accept it, and do not get "bitten." Pesky vampires! :P
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#45085 - 12/17/10 05:00 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: JWG]
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@DutchSatanist - This is a very good method to follow in life. I tend to do that same thing. However, I also add in the arena of "vampire", those who choose not to help themselves before asking for help. Simply because these people tend to be the individuals that are asking for help simply so you can do all their work for them.

Not interested!
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#45241 - 12/19/10 01:52 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene is worth a read.

It is a particular recommended read for the Luciferians, appearing on our recommended lists.

As a sample of the work, this site details a summary of the 48 laws.

NOTE LAW 7
Get others to do the Work for you, but Always Take the Credit.

NOTE LAW 13
When Asking for Help, Appeal to People’s Self-Interest.

NOTE LAW 40
Despise the Free Lunch.
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#45248 - 12/19/10 02:55 PM Yay! More lists! [Re: mabon2010]
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I don't want to appear rude, but those seem like the 48 "laws" to become a insidious backstabbing asshole. There are more of those lists/rules/laws/etc. out there. For example; The 21 Satanic points by the ONA (which I think actually has more common sense and more practicality in there than this list of 48 "laws").

I myself am quite skeptic to lists of "rules", "laws" and "sins". They're just lists of things. What value they have is up to the person reading them. When it comes to how I conduct myself, I follow my intuition more than I will follow a list of rules. That my conduct usually seems to be in line with the 11 rules of the earth is coincidental. Not surprising, since that list is quite generic.

To people that are big aficionados of lists like these, I would like to ask this: Are you really convinced that lists like these are useful and/or definitive? If yes, please explain and elaborate.
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#45250 - 12/19/10 03:25 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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Well, I think we can finally distill this thread into some practical advice. [The final one is especially commended.]
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#45263 - 12/19/10 04:55 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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@ Dutch Satanist
The Book the 48 "laws" of are worth a read. These are not so much laws as strategies. The book goes into detail with case studies of how people in power used them in positions of power.

Lists, I agree are worthless, but strategies like the 48 "laws" or those of Sun Tzu, is the difference between the loser and the winner.

Life is a chess game, and through the study of the strategies or rules that people play in the power game, the players like Putin rise to the top, and his enemies end up dead or in prison.

The 48 "laws" play on the idea of the a Royal Court, with the aristocrats playing their power games. This is no different from say the corporate world.

Personally I have used some of the strategies with success, for instance wiping out the leaders of a certain real life organisation all their followers scattered.

Law 42: Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter

@ Michael A. Aquino
Loved the link :-)
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#45464 - 12/22/10 07:00 PM Re: Service to others in Satanism [Re: mabon2010]
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Service equals Life.

Life is considered finished only when the Truth is (intuitively) grasped. When this Truth is demonstrated in every phase of life (trials or games with others, duties such as work and family, and complications such as a significant other is stricken with disease), a great metempirical-substance is awakened in the way rain falls on the unjust as well as the just. This is the greatest accomplishment anyone can achieve on Earth, but not every one of us can be capable of this; nevertheless, there is no harm in our doing the utmost to approach the ideal of Absolute Truth. (If you do not grasp It in this life, perhaps you will grasp It in the next or subsequent ones for kalpas. That sentence requires further explanation, that which I'm not about to give for the purposes of this thread.)

When something of this ideal is firmly grasped,a person is said to begin real life with fellow-beings as a member of a great community known as the world. I have a scene for you: When a person applies for admittance into a community, that applying individual is regarded as a persona non grata with harsh treatment afforded to him or her. When that person has successfully buffeted the waves, ridden the storm to the harbor of safety, and that individual sees and knows their innermost Self; then, he or she will perform in whatever form deeming most expedient. (They understand through discernment.) Such ones are to be enthusiastically greeted by the outside world pending all those who were barriers for the person to overcome.

Don't be a brick in the wall.

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