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#44892 - 12/14/10 05:46 AM The Satanic Bible
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So, I read this cool book the other day . It was called " the Satanic Bible " by Alister Crowley ...... What do you guys think of it? I thought it was not really a bible after all!! Hail Satan! \m/
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#44893 - 12/14/10 06:22 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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This thread will self-destruct in precisely thirty minutes unless you start to make sense.

1) The Satanic Bible was written by Anton Szandor LaVey.

2) Several threads dealing with TSB already exist in this forum.

3) Your observation falls short of being intelligible in several important respects.

Clock's ticking.
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#44895 - 12/14/10 06:57 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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If you want to be taken serious dont dress like a fucking clown? - Z.B. -

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#44896 - 12/14/10 07:06 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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Anything dead should be buried I guess.

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#44897 - 12/14/10 07:07 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Diavolo]
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.......

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#44898 - 12/14/10 07:08 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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I just wanted to let the group know that I read the book, kinda put my foot in my mouth with the author thing. Well I read the book and just wanted to let you know that I read Lavey's book (the bald fucker with the goatee).

Although the book was written by someone who I think has the charisma of the bowling shoe I did think that what was there was pretty relevant to understanding the world. I also like the aesthetic implication of adopting the devil as a meaningless self designator. Because my own life is so devoid of any meaning and purpose in and of itself. I thought this forum was full of people who were as self depreciating as I am. Given the tedious semantical clarifications and general skull fucks that go on for misspelled words.

My question is simply this: Isn't it awesome Lavey gave us a perfectly meaningless thing to do with our time ?

p.s. I look forward to recognising the socially accepted definition of Satanism accepted by the 600 club so I too can have friends and a place to belong.

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#44899 - 12/14/10 07:17 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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Not cool TDI? Z.B.
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#44900 - 12/14/10 07:24 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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Tee hee hee!

*Pulls up a chair and cracks open a beer*

Public executions never cease to tickle my pickle.
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#44902 - 12/14/10 07:39 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Wake]
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11. "When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him."

I'm asking you to stop take the hint Wake, or it will be on like Donkey Kong.

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You are a morbid one aren't you ?

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#44903 - 12/14/10 07:46 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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TSB is cool (well the first half anyway), but I'd recommend Postmodern Satanism if you're living in the 21st century. But hey, I'm probably biased.

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#44904 - 12/14/10 07:48 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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Two weeks' timeout. Spend that time learning respect, sense and reason.
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#44906 - 12/14/10 08:30 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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I think a oneliner is in place with this kind of verbal diarrhea:

Fucking idot.
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#44907 - 12/14/10 08:36 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Daafje666]
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 Originally Posted By: Daafje666
I think a oneliner is in place with this kind of verbal diarrhea:

Fucking idot.


What's an 'idot'?

In all seriousness, I think this thread crashed and burned in near record time (aka, straight out of the gate).

We should start linking threads like this one under the word 'stratification' in the encyclopedia project.
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#44909 - 12/14/10 10:42 AM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: Fnord]
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Using quick reply.

LOLS.. at this entire thread.

And yes, Jason, Postmodern Satanism was a great book. Enjoyed reading it myself.
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#44910 - 12/14/10 12:54 PM Re: The Satanic Bible [Re: thedeadidea]
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This sort of obvious trolling might fly over at SIN but people who post here are expected to show intelligence and maturity.
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#44925 - 12/14/10 07:53 PM Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Jason King]
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Howdy. If you are real, rather than merely tdi with a different troll hat on, you should probably join in somewhere, there are several threads where you will likely be able to find something to say. This site is where the discussion is going to be, whenever we get around to it. You might want to wait a couple of weeks though, things being how they are.

In the meantime, I found the work cited murky and unsatisfying, it will certainly never have the popular appeal or reference value of anything by LaVey.

The commentary on Al Jilwah is particularly shallow, it is almost as if the author is unable to conceive of divinity in any way other than external. (FFS, in reading it one says "I" over and over again ...)

The misuse of mysticism throughout, both as itself and in the form of pseudoscience, makes for a very misleading view of the magical experience. The text absolutely drowns itself in set theory at one point, and in academic scatology in several others.

Much of this work appears to have been generated using something similar to this toy, brought to our attention by Dr. Aquino. On the whole, it is the sort of thing that should be confined to the Texas Schoolbook Depository for now, and replaced next year with something snazzier, with more pictures and less doubletalk.

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#44931 - 12/14/10 08:26 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Aklo]
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Yes, I am curious about this book Postmodern Satanism but haven't had the time to sit down and read through it yet because of all the other study and reading I have lined up.

I have read JK's post in other places and have found them to be interesting and provocative.

I am not sure you can actually join the Postmodern and Satanism together in a meaningful way as I personally see Satanism as a fundamentally modernist notion.

To Aklo,

Are there any definitions of the modern, modernity and modermism, or postmodern, postmodernity or postmodernism provided in the work?

What about a definition of Satanism and how Satanism relates to the modern or postmodern?

I will have to read the work I know, but I am currently buried in some of the most challenging and interesting works from the TOS reading list.

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#44932 - 12/14/10 08:33 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: ]
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-I've never read postmodern Satanism

But,

Mr King is certainly the real deal.
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#44934 - 12/14/10 09:13 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: ]
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Are there any definitions of the modern, modernity and modermism, or postmodern, postmodernity or postmodernism provided in the work?

What about a definition of Satanism and how Satanism relates to the modern or postmodern?


Sure, sort of. The one is treated as synonymous with the transcendence of traditional dichotomies, while the other is simplified into a recognition of the inherently hostile or "adversarial" quality of the universe.

So what makes this conception of the religion postmodern is its disdain for terms like LHP / RHP and Atheist / theist. But it fails, it is quite theistic, having a "Master" who is divine rather than human and a direction which is uniform rather than self-directed.

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#44935 - 12/14/10 09:27 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Aklo]
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 Originally Posted By: Aklo
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Are there any definitions of the modern, modernity and modermism, or postmodern, postmodernity or postmodernism provided in the work?

What about a definition of Satanism and how Satanism relates to the modern or postmodern?

Sure, sort of. The one is treated as synonymous with the transcendence of traditional dichotomies, while the other is simplified into a recognition of the inherently hostile or "adversarial" quality of the universe.

So what makes this conception of the religion postmodern is its disdain for terms like LHP / RHP and atheist / theist. But it fails, it is quite theistic, having a "Master" who is divine rather than human and a direction which is uniform rather than self-directed.

And if you're still confused about "postmodernism", this should clear it up.
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#44938 - 12/14/10 10:36 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Every time I see that damn postmodern essay calculator I burst out laughing Dr.

On a more serious note I think any work which attempts to describe a postmodern Satanism is going to have to define its terms carefully and then position itself within the current modern/postmodern debate, or else set its own position and explain that position and how it differs from the current debate.

There should at least be some reference made to Baudrillard, Lyotard, Habermas, Jameson etc. and possibly the more prominent Post-Structuralist’s.

This debate has been raging on now for nearly thirty years now and has included a wide variety of thinkers (some appropriated, some not) and artist’s etc. This debate, I feel, is primarily concerned with human beings, their relationships to each other and their social, political and cultural institutions and objects. It is also primarily concerned with a critical evaluation of the philosophical underpinnings of knowledge, with an unmasking of reason as will to power, and so called objectivity as merely the perception and discourse of the dominant. Also the notion of the stable modern subject, which comes under some fire, through Freud and Saussure and those who drew on their work, is under a great deal of critical scrutiny as well within postmodern theory.

I am not sure whether JK has addressed these issues in his work, but I feel they must be addressed. And LaVey and his work must be addressed as well I think.

Will read the work if I get time.

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#44939 - 12/14/10 10:44 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: ]
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I am not sure you can actually join the Postmodern and Satanism together in a meaningful way as I personally see Satanism as a fundamentally modernist notion.

Yeah you have some good positions on this technical jargon, you take a real beating for them in the advent of Superman? thread.

I would conditionally agree with you, in that I see Dr. LaVey's fondness for a structurally-sound pre-Nuremberg worldview and especially in that I view "postmodernism" quite negatively, as an anti-enlightenment mentality representative of increasing decadence and the collapse of quality standards.

But maybe we ought to take it over there, and leave this one for troll-baiting and bible-thumping \:\)
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#44992 - 12/16/10 04:59 AM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Aklo]
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 Originally Posted By: Aklo
it is almost as if the author is unable to conceive of divinity in any way other than external. (FFS, in reading it one says "I" over and over again ...)

The misuse of mysticism throughout, both as itself and in the form of pseudoscience, makes for a very misleading view of the magical experience. The text absolutely drowns itself in set theory at one point, and in academic scatology in several others.

Much of this work appears to have been generated using something similar to this toy, brought to our attention by Dr. Aquino. On the whole, it is the sort of thing that should be confined to the Texas Schoolbook Depository for now, and replaced next year with something snazzier, with more pictures and less doubletalk.



I've got an idea. Instead of speaking in generalities, why not offer a few specifics? I'd be really interested to hear you explain exactly how I "misused" mysticism. Or how the definition given for divinity marks it as exclusively "external," especially given the sections dealing with the interplay between microcosm and macrocosm.

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#45002 - 12/16/10 10:56 AM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Jason King]
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why not offer a few specifics? I'd be really interested to hear you explain exactly how I "misused" mysticism.

Happy to. Here's an example, the book abounds with this sort of thing:

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The successful employ of magick rests
upon a deep cognizance of the
Fundamental Theorem, which states
that the microcosm (consciousness,
atman, hadit) and the macrocosm
(cosmos, brahman, nuit) are, despite
a phenomenal presentation to the
contrary, in fact nondual. This is not
to say that the two are identical, for if
they were, magick would be obviated
as a personal and meta-personal
transformative experience. But rather,
they are of the same taste, as the
mystics say. It is this fact which makes
the transferral of energy from one
sphere to the other possible, and is the
genesis of the dichotomization into
left-hand path and right-hand path.
These two are simply nothing more
than directions of flow, much as in the
movement of electrical charge across
an electromagnetic field in order to
maintain a balance of this quantum.
One direction of flow moves energy
from microcosm into macrocosm
(RHP), and the other syphons from
macrocosm into microcosm (LHP).
Much as in the case of electromagnetic
flux, there is a preferred direction of
flow, in our case, micro v macro
(RHP), as was understood by the
earliest Tantric adepts who discovered
the process. It is for this reason that
the left-hand path is regarded as
antinomian and counter to the natural
flow, although this is not exactly true
as generally offered. Nature herself
offers many instances of a chiral
preference: matter over antimatter,
left-handed amino acids, right-handed
dexterity, etc. However, a better
natural example in our case would be
the force of gravity, which builds an
impetus as more and more coupled
(in this case, “massive”) particles enter
the field. In the case of microcosm and
macrocosm, the latter serves to act as
a gravity-well of sorts, and creates the
chiral impulse defining the preferred
direction of flow (i.e. toward the more
massive). It is this inherent property
which defines both the natural limits
of magick, and also serves to define
the common world of experience - it
is an inbuilt preference for what might
be called “objectivism” over
“subjectivism,” and is furthermore the
basis of natural law itself. Though the
individualized will may be boundless
and completely free, its intersection
with the common world of
phenomena occurs within a sharply
defined boundary, and is restrained by
all the other operant individuated
wills. The left-hand path resists this
natural inclination, and is in some
ways opposed to it, but this does not
make it unnatural per se, as it is
nothing more nor less than a
counterbalancing mechanism and also
the impulse giving rise to the
individuation itself! In other words, the
reverse flow, or swimming against the
stream, is the very vehicle of
conscious perception. The successful
magus not only understands this
asymmetry, but makes full use of its
power through the practice of magick.
The importance of this realization
cannot be overstated, and for all magi
who truly understand the
Fundamental Theorem there is a
recognition that both directions of flow
are necessary to a successful
practitioner. Thus the true magus is
not LHP or RHP, she is both and
neither, as the particular situation
merits. The macrocosm and the
microcosm each possess a certain type
of energy, both of which are vital to
the successful employ of magick, and
neither of which exists in a vacuum.

(Yeah, that's a three-and-a-half page paragraph -- J G Frazer would fall down in awe afore ye.)

The continuous misuse of the word "energy" is characteristic of pseudoscience. The pervasive talking-about-talking is exactly the sort of thing that Nietzche devotes several works to slapping down in Hegel and Schopenhauer etc. The battery analogy is interesting but false, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Law of Magic.

In the development of "As above, so below" in physics as Relativity via Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc. we see that what it means is that to be accurate, any principle must be equally applicable in all times and all conditions. This is so far from the usual "magical thinking" delusion that the name is the thing and the map is the territory, as to virtually earmark the discussion as ludicrous.

But ludicrous is fine, I suppose. To the extent that magic works, it depends on the fact that much of what we conceive of as the real world, derived second-hand through our senses and our organization of the data we already have, is in fact so filtered and interpreted as to place its reality entirely inside our own minds and the world models found therein. In this sense, though, it isn't a matter of sharing "the same taste" at all; our head can be conceived as a sort of n-dimensional mobius strip, or klein bottle, in which the outside is the inside. To highjack a quote from Robert Anton Wilson, "mind and its contents are functionally identical".

On top of all this, you seem to be identifying evocation (calling up, bringing out) as the domain of the right-hand path and invocation (calling down, bringing in) as that of the left. If all you are doing is being backwards about reversal, where have you gotten?

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#45005 - 12/16/10 11:51 AM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Aklo]
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 Originally Posted By: Aklo

(Yeah, that's a three-and-a-half page paragraph -- J G Frazer would fall down in awe afore ye.)


You must've missed the part at the beginning about no paragraphs, anywho . . .

 Originally Posted By: Aklo
The continuous misuse of the word "energy" is characteristic of pseudoscience.


Seeing as how science has never given a real definition, I don't see this as a valid point.

I've defined energy thusly in another medium: "Energy is the dynamic and holistic activity of the World in manifestation. It is the answer to the question 'why is there something rather than nothing?'

Energy is the basis for both a quantitative (external) projection as well as qualitative (internal) deepening of experience-as-such. This creative impulse (Tibetan: rTsal) gives rise to the states of natural unenlightenment in which Self and World are distinguished and vectorialized as experiential states of affairs. The necessary obtaining of these states of affairs gives rise to the materialistic or realist ontology."

Now I realize you will probably rejoin with some form of "that's gobbledygook," however I'd ask you to show me a better definition vis a vis "science". And it will be more than helpful if you can quote whoever you'll be quoting.

 Originally Posted By: Aklo
The battery analogy is interesting but false, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Law of Magic.


I wasn't aware that I gave any "battery analogy". Help me out here . . .

 Originally Posted By: Aklo
In the development of "As above, so below" in physics as Relativity via Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc. we see that what it means is that to be accurate, any principle must be equally applicable in all times and all conditions.


Really? I'm guessing you missed the point of Relativity altogether. I.e. there is no absolute frame of reference with respect to the universe and her laws. Not to mention other errors in the above which don't really matter at the moment.

 Originally Posted By: Aklo
This is so far from the usual "magical thinking" delusion that the name is the thing and the map is the territory, as to virtually earmark the discussion as ludicrous.


If this were true, that would make your comment a red herring, if false, well . . .

 Originally Posted By: Aklo
But ludicrous is fine, I suppose. To the extent that magic works, it depends on the fact that much of what we conceive of as the real world, derived second-hand through our senses and our organization of the data we already have, is in fact so filtered and interpreted as to place its reality entirely inside our own minds and the world models found therein. In this sense, though, it isn't a matter of sharing "the same taste" at all; our head can be conceived as a sort of n-dimensional mobius strip, or klein bottle, in which the outside is the inside. To highjack a quote from Robert Anton Wilson, "mind and its contents are functionally identical".


And to think, you accused me of unfounded "mysticism". BTW, "same taste" refers to the qualitative (yet not quantitative) identity between microcosm and macrocosm.

 Originally Posted By: Aklo
On top of all this, you seem to be identifying evocation (calling up, bringing out) as the domain of the right-hand path and invocation (calling down, bringing in) as that of the left.


I wasn't aware that I ever used the terms "invocation" and "evocation," but if I read you correctly in your interpretation, yes. I do offer a singular understanding of the LHP/RHP interplay which may strike those who are used to the standard drivel as "outside the box". I'm taking it back to the Root, and away from certain modern misconceptions. Thanks for noticing.

 Originally Posted By: Aklo
If all you are doing is being backwards about reversal, where have you gotten?


On the contrary, I'm pressing the issue laterally. You know, "cutting against the grain". You know . . . <cough, cough>

Aklo, I want to thank you for posting an awesome (if I may say so myself) quote from Postmodern Satanism. And I'm being 100% tongue-out-of-cheek on that. Reading it again, with your "critique" at hand, I'll just say, thanks again.

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#45006 - 12/16/10 12:03 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Jason King]
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Back from the jargon basement.

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You seem to enjoy throwing words around with no inkling as to proper usage.

Yeah I love it! It excites the wicked, amuses the strong, and makes the pretentious hop and squeal! *long stare*

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Transcendental Meditation (TM) is a specific thing (hence the caps), and is irrelevant to anything in Postmodern Satanism.

I think I am particularly justified in doing it this time though, in that the semantics involved are already heavily deprecated, and in that I am using them in their degraded form as epithets. Anyone who fights their way through the first few sections of your steamboat is going to understand exactly what I mean by these colloquialisms.

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And last time I checked, epistemology is the most important branch of philosophy.

But you can feel free to substitute the more direct phrases "goofy brain exercises introduced without proper grounding" and "talking about talking, to the point of pissing into the wind" if it helps you sleep better at night.

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I eagerly await your corrections on these points . . .

Don't hold your breath. Like the Hitchhiker's Guide, even if I'm wrong, I am at least definitively wrong.

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I doubt you'll even find the term "mantra" anywhere therein.

Page 88, quoting Crowley. And it would have been better if you had discussed the verbal devices for breath-timing, at least then your meditation systems would have a better chance of actually doing any good.

Though your work itself does provide a good vehicle for pratyahara, in the sense that my eyes glaze over. (credit Dr. Aquino)
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#45009 - 12/16/10 12:27 PM Re: Jason King hands Aklo's ass to him [Re: Aklo]
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Aklo, I'm not sure how things work here, but are you cross-posting threads with no notification? That's not cool, but then again . . .

Maybe I'll just fuck with the thread title. That would mark me as uber-cool (aklo-cool?).

"page 88" ???

I wasn't aware that Postmodern Satanism had page numbers, but what do I know, I'm just the guy who wrote it.

And what I really love is how you do the name-dropping thing with serious non-skill. If Michael Aquino has an issue with me, I'm sure he'll bring it to fore in whatever conversation is relevant. But you "buttressing" your points with fond memories of something he may have said elsewhere (as if it were currently relevant) is FUCKING PATHETIC.

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#45013 - 12/16/10 12:56 PM Re: Jason King hands Aklo's ass to him [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Jason King
If Michael Aquino has an issue with me, I'm sure he'll bring it to fore in whatever conversation is relevant.

No, no issues ... right now I'm just enjoying the Aklo/JK whocandrinkwhomunderthetable encounter.

My most revered guru, Freddy the Pig, once said:

 Originally Posted By: Freddy, in Freddy and the Men From Mars
When everything seems like a hopeless mess, the thing to do is stir it up good. Then something always comes to the top that you can use.
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#45014 - 12/16/10 01:07 PM Re: Jason King hands Aklo's ass to him [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

No, no issues ... right now I'm just enjoying the Aklo/JK whocandrinkwhomunderthetable encounter.


<hiccup> What? <hiccup>

 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
My most revered guru, Freddy the Pig, once said:

 Originally Posted By: Freddy, in Freddy and the Men From Mars
When everything seems like a hopeless mess, the thing to do is stir it up good. Then something always comes to the top that you can use.



I'm sure Sun Tzu said something analogous . . .

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#45015 - 12/16/10 01:24 PM Re: Postmodern Hand-Jive [Re: Jason King]
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On the contrary, I'm pressing the issue laterally. You know, "cutting against the grain". You know . . . <cough, cough>

Aklo, I want to thank you for posting an awesome (if I may say so myself) quote from Postmodern Satanism. And I'm being 100% tongue-out-of-cheek on that. Reading it again, with your "critique" at hand, I'll just say, thanks again.

Extremely good answer! I'm very glad you have joined the discussion here, I think we are going to have a lot of fun.

I derived my conclusions about your reversifimication of evocation and invocation from this wad o' text right here, which is also what I'm generalizing as a "battery analogy".

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These two are simply nothing more
than directions of flow, much as in the
movement of electrical charge across
an electromagnetic field in order to
maintain a balance of this quantum.
One direction of flow moves energy
from microcosm into macrocosm
(RHP), and the other syphons from
macrocosm into microcosm (LHP).
Much as in the case of electromagnetic
flux, there is a preferred direction of
flow, in our case, micro v macro
(RHP), as was understood by the
earliest Tantric adepts who discovered
the process.


This "pole shift", as it were, forced me to think in several ways. I have long used evocation as exemplary of the LHP, with models to show what we have in parallel with the priests and shamans of the RHP systems. Imagine the priest standing in front of a church, with a huge Pentagram in stained glass overhead. When the congregation looks up, they see a lovely Christmas star. He sees the shadow of a goat's head though \:\)

Or again, consider the diviner sitting across from the client, with a pentacle on the table between them. The recipient sees it "right side up," but not the reader. In the same way, what comes out of us when we evoke, as symbolized by our lovely pythagorean Baphomet, is what goes into them as they invoke, signified by their more-respectable Wiccan / Christian star-stones.

So I'd be interested in hearing more about your Tantric view and what justifies the inversion of these basic principles in your mind.

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I'm guessing you missed the point of Relativity altogether. I.e. there is no absolute frame of reference with respect to the universe and her laws.

Not at all, here's a very basic discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_relativity

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In physics, the principle of relativity is the requirement that the equations describing the laws of physics have the same form in all admissible frames of reference.

For example, in the framework of special relativity the Maxwell equations have the same form in all inertial frames of reference. In the framework of general relativity the Maxwell equations or the Einstein field equations have the same form in arbitrary frames of reference.

Several principles of relativity have been successfully applied throughout science, whether implicitly (as in Newtonian mechanics) or explicitly (as in Albert Einstein's special relativity and general relativity).

Newton is our first English of Hermes Trismegistus, but Galileo had already extrapolated out the rule of judging what happens in the sky by what we see on a smaller scale in front of us. Einstein's effort to formulate new more universal laws when Michelson-Morley collapsed the Ether meme and proved C invariant are what led to him to name his theories after Newton's formulation of Galileo's principle.

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Seeing as how science has never given a real definition, I don't see this as a valid point.

I've defined energy thusly in another medium: "Energy is the dynamic and holistic activity of the World in manifestation. It is the answer to the question 'why is there something rather than nothing?'

Energy is the basis for both a quantitative (external) projection as well as qualitative (internal) deepening of experience-as-such. This creative impulse (Tibetan: rTsal) gives rise to the states of natural unenlightenment in which Self and World are distinguished and vectorialized as experiential states of affairs. The necessary obtaining of these states of affairs gives rise to the materialistic or realist ontology."

Now I realize you will probably rejoin with some form of "that's gobbledygook," however I'd ask you to show me a better definition vis a vis "science". And it will be more than helpful if you can quote whoever you'll be quoting.


Energy is a measurement of the capacity to do work; in other words it isn't a thing at all, it doesn't flow from anywhere to anywhere, all these conceptions are convenient tricks of language useful as shorthand but false-to-fact. This is such a simple and well-known fact of freshman physics, that I shouldn't really need to quote anyone, but I am more than happy to.

 Originally Posted By: Richard Feynman
here is a fact, or if you wish, a law, governing all natural phenomena that are known to date. There is no known exception to this law—it is exact so far as we know. The law is called the conservation of energy. It states that there is a certain quantity, which we call energy, that does not change in manifold changes which nature undergoes. That is a most abstract idea, because it is a mathematical principle; it says that there is a numerical quantity which does not change when something happens. It is not a description of a mechanism, or anything concrete; it is just a strange fact that we can calculate some number and when we finish watching nature go through her tricks and calculate the number again, it is the same.


And that ought to be enough for now; but obviously it isn't.

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And what I really love is how you do the name-dropping thing with serious non-skill. If Michael Aquino has an issue with me, I'm sure he'll bring it to fore in whatever conversation is relevant. But you "buttressing" your points with fond memories of something he may have said elsewhere (as if it were currently relevant) is FUCKING PATHETIC.

Hop and squeal much? Good show!

No, I'm just crediting him for the link I dropped. Same as with the essay-toy earlier. Are you having trouble seeing links for some reason?

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cross-posting threads with no notification?

Because if so, you may want to get a handle on it, there's no need to look goofy. There are plenty of things to attack me on that I'm actually guilty of.

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had page numbers, but what do I know

Yeah if you look at the bottom of your pdf reader, it tells you what page it is and so on. I'm using the version Goat of Mendes claims you gave them. But SO? You know as well as I do where the obeah and the wanga is at ...

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You must've missed the part at the beginning about no paragraphs, anywho . . .

I didn't miss it, it was right next to where the Table of Contents should have been. I'm just calling attention to the results in my own thpethyial way \:\)

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#45023 - 12/16/10 02:20 PM Re: Energy [Re: Aklo]
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 Originally Posted By: Aklo

Energy is a measurement of the capacity to do work; in other words it isn't a thing at all, it doesn't flow from anywhere to anywhere, all these conceptions are convenient tricks of language useful as shorthand but false-to-fact. This is such a simple and well-known fact of freshman physics, that I shouldn't really need to quote anyone, but I am more than happy to.

 Originally Posted By: Richard Feynman
here is a fact, or if you wish, a law, governing all natural phenomena that are known to date. There is no known exception to this law—it is exact so far as we know. The law is called the conservation of energy. It states that there is a certain quantity, which we call energy, that does not change in manifold changes which nature undergoes. That is a most abstract idea, because it is a mathematical principle; it says that there is a numerical quantity which does not change when something happens. It is not a description of a mechanism, or anything concrete; it is just a strange fact that we can calculate some number and when we finish watching nature go through her tricks and calculate the number again, it is the same.


Forgive me, but I picked the most relevant of your replies to address, the rest will have to sit in the graveyard I consigned them to . . .

This only proves my exact point. Science knows that energy is real . . . knows what it does, and yet has no F'n clue as to what it is. And so I rejoin with my same challenge, give me a better definition. Dismissing a real "quantity" that is perfectly conserved by saying that it is "nothing," or a "trick of language" only begs deeper questions, and may in fact make you more of a mystic than I.

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#45035 - 12/16/10 04:19 PM Re: Jason King hands Aklo's ass to him [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I'm not sure if you guys met before but the way you construct your posts, it seems he once took your lunch-money.

No, what he did was, he wrote a work he asserts is a good contemporary replacement for / somehow superior to / better for new interested laymen than, the work of Anton Szandor LaVey. This is super-funny!

Read this thing, it's as dense as neutronium. Imagine TDI plodding through it! But read it. I will like it, cause you will see. He will like it, 'cause someone will have read his thing. It's a win/win!

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#45064 - 12/17/10 01:01 PM Re: Jason King hands Aklo's ass to him [Re: Aklo]
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Taking from Jason King.. only the 1st percentile will understand. I didn't see anything humorous about Postmodern but then again, I've been told, no one pays attention to anything..
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#45069 - 12/17/10 02:41 PM J and OK, now all we need is E [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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I didn't see anything humorous about Postmodern but then again, I've been told, no one pays attention to anything..

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Seriously though, it's all in the context. Just imagine the Original Poster reading King:

 Originally Posted By: thedeadidea
So, I read this cool book the other day . It was called " the Satanic Bible " by Alister Crowley ...... What do you guys think of it? I thought it was not really a bible after all!! Hail Satan! \m/

Assuming he were real, of course. Wouldn't that be hilarious?

Not to you, though. You would want to "service" him, have a nice "go around" to see if you could improve his "lack of follow". All of which would greatly amuse whichever mage has his hand up tdi's ass. I thought it was Jason at first, but now that I'm more familar with his work, I see that he doesn't have the sense of humor.

So yeah, how are you supposed to get it? You are it.

. . .

Lots of higher mammals smile when they feel safe, and scream when they are afraid. But only us advanced primates have the distancing capacity to see that something is terrible, and know that it isn't our problem. Which is to say, we laugh!

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#45096 - 12/18/10 12:17 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: Aklo]
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 Originally Posted By: Aklo
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I didn't see anything humorous about Postmodern but then again, I've been told, no one pays attention to anything..

Would you like some cheese with that whine?


Wow, whine? Did you dig that line up with the rest of your dead one liners? Haha. So sorry if your sense of humor is a bit over my head. Sorry that you don't understand tone through text. Ah well, don't worry dear soldier of defense, you'll get it soon enough.


 Originally Posted By: Aklo
Assuming he were real, of course. Wouldn't that be hilarious?

Not to you, though. You would want to "service" him, have a nice "go around" to see if you could improve his "lack of follow". All of which would greatly amuse whichever mage has his hand up tdi's ass. I thought it was Jason at first, but now that I'm more familar with his work, I see that he doesn't have the sense of humor.


I assure you, TheDeadIdea, is certainly a real person. Someone I have conversed with on several occasions. Also, more intelligent than anything I have really seen come from you. If it's not one copy and paste warrior, it's another who fails to see the difference between real ignorance and those who are just fucking around with someone to see who has the thinnest skin. AKA Someone who knows how to take a J..OK...E. \:\)


 Originally Posted By: Aklo
But only us advanced primates..


LOLs. You DO have a sense of humor!


I do grow bored of your following my posts and responses around. Can you find another hobby? Translation: Don't like what I have to say, you really don't have a reason to read it. Obviously, you have followed my posts enough to negate any real reason to reply to anything that I have to say. (IE gibberish) So in the nicest way possible, fuck off and have a nice day. \:\)
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#45098 - 12/18/10 01:03 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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"I assure you, TheDeadIdea, is certainly a real person. Someone I have conversed with on several occasions. Also, more intelligent than anything..."

If that is true, then that is so fucking sad that you consider someone "we" banned for stupidity as being intelligent. It shows a lot about how you view people and things.

"I do grow bored of your following my posts and responses around. Can you find another hobby? Translation: Don't like what I have to say, you really don't have a reason to read it..."

Its a public forum. If you don't like how someone response to your posts too bad. Get a thicker skin or don't post. People read the forums in order to correct newbies who post with no clue or to exchange information.

Get it yet?

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#45100 - 12/18/10 01:20 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"I assure you, TheDeadIdea, is certainly a real person. Someone I have conversed with on several occasions. Also, more intelligent than anything..."

If that is true, then that is so fucking sad that you consider someone "we" banned for stupidity as being intelligent. It shows a lot about how you view people and things.


You banned him on stupidity. Sure, I can see that. He was being a troll and trolls get banned. No misunderstanding in that. However, TDI is not ignorant in any kind of way. He came across you guys that way because of how he posted. Not that you have any real interest in getting to know him as a real person (or vice versa) but if you communicated with him in other venues, you would know what I am talking about.

You really shouldn't assume how I view people and things but hell, like you said, it IS a public forum and everyone's got an opinion just waiting to be heard.


 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"I do grow bored of your following my posts and responses around. Can you find another hobby? Translation: Don't like what I have to say, you really don't have a reason to read it..."

Its a public forum. If you don't like how someone response to your posts too bad. Get a thicker skin or don't post. People read the forums in order to correct newbies who post with no clue or to exchange information.


Whether I am thick skinned or not, is another thing that really shouldn't concern you but thanks for that thought. It's not that I dislike what he has to say, it's mostly that what he has to say is either irrelevant to a thread or comes out as mostly gibberish. Ya know what I mean? \:\)

I like the idea of forums to exchange ideas. What I don't like, is people that patrol through someone's threads and responses ON PURPOSE to bitch and moan about MY posts. That's not a poster, that's a troll. Doesn't mean anything about my skin. Also, on the note of newbies, who is anyone to "correct" anyone about anything; especially opinion?
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#45102 - 12/18/10 01:33 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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"I like the idea of forums to exchange ideas. What I don't like, is people that patrol through someone's threads and responses ON PURPOSE to bitch and moan about MY posts. That's not a poster, that's a troll. Doesn't mean anything about my skin. Also, on the note of newbies, who is anyone to "correct" anyone about anything; especially opinion?"

The forum has been around for more than 10 years in different forms. Several members have been Satanists since the 1960's. I've been involved in this for over 30 years. As familiars, moderators, or administrators we "correct" newbies because we don't want idiots running all over the forums posting self righteous stupid bullshit.

Yes, opinions are like assholes everyone has one, but "we" don't tolerate idiots opinions. Don't think its all about you, everything gets read, everything gets looked over by the sharks.

On this forum your words represent who you are.

Your friend from the other forum you belong to is an idiot and represented himself as one.
Thus, he was treated as one.
No one has any desire to deal with idiots.
Your comments on him just confirmed my view.

Get it yet?


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#45106 - 12/18/10 01:59 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: Morgan]
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You may correct someone's wrong insights on things you know but can you really correct someone's opinion if it doesn't align with your own?
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#45107 - 12/18/10 02:10 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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http://www.the600club.com/board20-1.html

Welcome to the board, we have a Hall of Shame.
There are 3 pages full of people who were full of nonsense.
This is a Satanic forum, there is no need to put up with idiots.

You can change someones' opinion through debate, conversations, and making them aware of knowledge that they may not have had access to previously.

On that same note, you can't teach the willingly stupid. They just don't want to learn or see anything different that may lie outside of their pretty small box that they live in. They don't want to understand or realize that they drank the kool-aid, and follow a lie.

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#45108 - 12/18/10 02:19 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: Morgan]
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I have been through the Hall of Shame and read through a bunch of different posts. Unfortunately, what is posted about each user that has been deleted is only the opinion of the person posting about that user. There is nothing left of the user (which I am only assuming is a good thing in most cases) for others to take a look at and see what exactly was going on with that user.

Some people do not change their opinions because they truly believe and stand up for their opinions. Not everyone has the right one for everyone else but some know what is right for them and base their opinions accordingly. You can change an opinion through useful discussion but you will only get so far with belittlement and uneducated guesses about a person. Sure, what you write is what you may be in certain people's eyes but until you really know, your guess is as best as it gets.

Every ounce of want to make someone see the light is only beneficial so far until there is mudslinging. Once that has started, then people's defenses flare up and nothing is said other than "you push me, I'll push you harder".
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#45110 - 12/18/10 02:40 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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The posts that they wrote are still here in some cases, you just have to look for them.

Oh, btw, not everyone who is banned is listed, some don't even warrant that much attention.

Anyone who was banned has earned it.
"We" don't just ban people without reason.

What you write is who you are here.
Write like an idiot, you are an idiot. Everyone gets treated the same. There is no special treatment because you are a girl or a mod on another site or because you were good friends with LaVey. Everyone gets questioned, challenged, debated.

NO ONE IS GIVEN A FREE RIDE.

After more than 10 years, you see a pattern in newbies. They act the same way, say the same things, and think they are different, but they are not. No one is going to waste time getting to know someone who's post simply suck or come across as an idiot. On that same note, several members here know each other in real life. How did that happen, because they didn't come across as idiots, and conversations and common things turn into a friendship type relationship.

Sure people can come here with strong opinions that we are all going to hell and that we worship the devil and sacrifice babies every full moon. That they are going to save us, that their way is the right way. We may not be able to expand their mind, or make them question their own views on things, but after enough bullshit from them, they end up banned. Just because someone has a strong opinion doesn't mean that its the right place to stand on a soap box here and preach it.

LOL, I hope you don't honestly believe this is mudslinging. This is polite conversation compared to how I can and have commented to people.

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#45111 - 12/18/10 02:54 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: Morgan]
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I do not consider what you are saying to me as mudslinging. I have read much worse coming from you. That's not coming as an insult from, btw.

I do not assume that because there is not much left of deleted users that you ban without reason. I understand the processes of banning or suspending members.

Also, I did not ask for special treatment. I merely stated to the person to "kindly" fuck off. Which, I think, is a bit more than they deserved. I do not see myself on a soapbox but that doesn't mean that others do not see that I am trying to put myself in that position either.

My admin status, which was only mentioned one time in reference to a thread response, is irrelevant to this site period. Where I came from, doesn't mean much either. I do not think that my status at another site, places me anywhere at 600. I never have.

I have been making my own way through my muddled thoughts and getting my perspectives in order. Again, I like criticism that I can use and take from, not criticism that only qualifies as something that was meant to offend me and nothing else.

Everyone has their rough moments. This past month has been mine. I take from that what I can and use it to what extent I need to. Sometimes newbies do have something to contribute to things even when they come out muddled. It takes time to process through information as it comes to you. Sometimes, it takes longer with others. I can easily catch on to some things and yet grasp for others that may not come to me until much, much later. This is one of my faults and something I have accepted about myself and being human.

I will do some seeking with these hiding posts.
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#45119 - 12/18/10 10:19 AM Re: Hurry someone find the E! [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
Sometimes newbies do have something to contribute to things even when they come out muddled. It takes time to process through information as it comes to you. Sometimes, it takes longer with others. I can easily catch on to some things and yet grasp for others that may not come to me until much, much later. This is one of my faults and something I have accepted about myself and being human.


Please feel free to take anything I say with a grain of salt.

I think new people sometimes confuse the tenor of this board with that of others they visit. There are some sections of the board dedicated to levity, but mostly represented here are people who are very serious about their studies in Satanism and how it applies to each individual and to the universe at large. Most of the people who stick here are people who have been at this for a long time and who have devoted a LOT of time and personal effort (seeking, self reflection, application, etc) in developing their own individuality within/without the context of Satanic thought.

As such, this is not the friendliest of places for people new on the path and certainly not for those who think they have answers for everyone else. Demonstrably, this is not a breeding ground for 'new' Satanists but a lounge of sorts for those who have done their own homework. Certainly, I don't mean to say that people here have all the answers. Quite the opposite. Speaking for myself I can say that I'm always actively, aggressively seeking answers and applying what I've learned to every day life. I see this reflected in most of the regulars here which gives this place and the people here much more credibility (to me) than places peopled by those who only wish to adopt the symbols and talk the talk.

I think new people get frustrated here because, as Morgan pointed out, most of the population at the 600 aren't new, and most of the thoughts that new people post have been hashed and rehashed in these halls a zillion times over. Few take time to search and research and are sometimes rewarded for their lack of effort with the rough side of someone's tongue. That's life.

I've seen you take a few beatings and it appears to be mostly because you've forgotten your audience here as compared to elsewhere. If you pay attention, you'll realize that your postings have resulted in valuable responses, despite the occasional claw marks. If it means anything to you, I'd offer you encouragement to soldier on. You show a willingness and desire to learn and you usually don't run away screaming when someone disagrees with your points. That kind of tenaciousness in the face of adversity will take you far. That's probably as gentle handed as I get :0)


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#45122 - 12/18/10 10:39 AM Re: Silly thread retitles are a pointless exercise [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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 Originally Posted By: "Aklo"
No, what he did was, he wrote a work he asserts is a good contemporary replacement for / somehow superior to / better for new interested laymen than, the work of Anton Szandor LaVey. This is super-funny!


For a Satanist living in the 21st century, yes - I continue to hold that Postmodern Satanism delivers a better concept of Satanism than TSB. You are welcome to dispute this, but so far you haven't been doing that well.

 Originally Posted By: "Aklo"
Not to you, though. You would want to "service" him, have a nice "go around" to see if you could improve his "lack of follow". All of which would greatly amuse whichever mage has his hand up tdi's ass. I thought it was Jason at first, but now that I'm more familar with his work, I see that he doesn't have the sense of humor.


Besides being extremely tasteless, this comment calls one to challenge. I don't generally bask in any degree of "followship," however, I will say, in light of the above, that more people give a shit about me vis a vis Satanism than you. How's them apples, Altoid? And if you doubt me, we can arrange a public exchange between our respective "champions". Old school. You pick your best and brightest student/follower/whatever, and I'll do the same. But we'll need to make sure this won't be a sockfest, so I suggest we go with either face-video or audio exchange. And if you're going to reply to this challenge with excuses, don't F'n bother, dude.

 Originally Posted By: "Morgan"
If that is true, then that is so fucking sad that you consider someone "we" banned for stupidity as being intelligent. It shows a lot about how you view people and things.


He is a real person, and quite intelligent. It just so happens he is prone to trolling when bored. And I loved the appeal to authority in your response. It shows a lot about how you view . . . er, um, nevermind.

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#45128 - 12/18/10 11:57 AM Re: Silly thread retitles are a pointless exercise [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Jason King
He is a real person, and quite intelligent. It just so happens he is prone to trolling when bored. And I loved the appeal to authority in your response. It shows a lot about how you view . . . er, um, nevermind.
JK


I don't doubt he's a real person and might even be quite intelligent but he showed that he isn't too smart.

What most forget here is that this place doesn't really care about new people; who or what they are. This place is just as subject to conflict and domination as any other aspect of life. To make it you don't only need to know how to, but also be able to act upon that knowledge.

Not really different from real life.

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#45147 - 12/18/10 03:04 PM Re: Silly thread retitles are a pointless exercise [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
I think new people sometimes confuse the tenor of this board with that of others they visit. There are some sections of the board dedicated to levity, but mostly represented here are people who are very serious about their studies in Satanism and how it applies to each individual and to the universe at large.


I agree. I was under no misconception that some of the things that I may or may not have ended up posting may cause problems. I mean, the first time around 600, I kind of fell on my face. I have no issues with the way that 600 is ran. Each site has their own way of working and sometimes putting things out that may have had a different response (positive or otherwise) in other places may have the opposite response here. Again, something I respect about 600. The seriousness in tone sometimes gets to me because I feel as though jokes get taken way out of hand and turn into these incessant theatrical "fuck yous" from everyone involved. Also, including myself.

I take my studies of Satanism very seriously as well but I have view points that I have kept with me from studies in other places that I think fit right in with my Satanic practices. Some of these ideas do not pass into others' ideas of Satanism but that tends to happen when you have a large group of individuals that practice to their own means. I do not try to make a mockery of those that take their form of Satanism seriously. In fact, I'd love to read and take in every form that there is whether I disagree with it or not.

 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Most of the people who stick here are people who have been at this for a long time and who have devoted a LOT of time and personal effort (seeking, self reflection, application, etc) in developing their own individuality within/without the context of Satanic thought.


I will be the first to admit that, while the Satanic Bible resonated with what I was already living, I am rather new to the reading lists that are out there as suggestions for those who are new to the LHP. Even though I feel as though I have always walked the LHP, there is still much to learn and even after the past year or so, I have done immense changes to my perspectives. Whether from learning via constructive criticism or as Morgan put it, being shown things that were not at my reach at the time.

Satanism is a journey just like life is. Some will progress a little slower or maybe in short bursts but I do not think anyone ever really reaches an end point because even though the well read members have some things that they are set in their ways about, there is ALWAYS room for improvement.


 Originally Posted By: Fnord
As such, this is not the friendliest of places for people new on the path and certainly not for those who think they have answers for everyone else.


This is another reason why I like it here so much. You are not easy on newbies here. Attacks happen but there ARE many things to learn. Yes, you are what you type but as the process goes on, what you type may change as you are brought more and more knowledge whether via yourself or others. Some people learn by coddling, others learn when shit hits the fan. I happen to be one that learns by being hands on and taking myself out of my comfort zone. I am not 100% comfortable here, which is obvious due to my first few posts. Another reason why I like to "wrap" what I have to say.

If I stayed in my comfort zone all the time, I would never learn anything. If I was constantly accepted all the time, I would never know what it was like to be on the other side of the fence.


[quote-Fnord]I've seen you take a few beatings and it appears to be mostly because you've forgotten your audience here as compared to elsewhere. If you pay attention, you'll realize that your postings have resulted in valuable responses, despite the occasional claw marks. If it means anything to you, I'd offer you encouragement to soldier on. You show a willingness and desire to learn and you usually don't run away screaming when someone disagrees with your points. That kind of tenaciousness in the face of adversity will take you far. That's probably as gentle handed as I get [/quote]


I have gone through and picked out some good words of advice.. even masked words of warning and linked words to show exactly how the forum runs. I am the type of person that, for the most part, takes value from nearly everything. I enjoy being this type of person because even though I may lose my temper at one individual, there are a ton more that I can take from to replace the nonsense.

I fully intend on "soldiering on" through 600 if it is allowed for me to do so. I am trying to find my own way through all of this and sometimes things that come out in my head to sound right, don't always sound right or like anything to anyone else. I have accepted this as part of my learning process. Not everything that I have to say is going to be accepted. I came into the 600 club knowing this.I won't "run away" because I honestly feel that I DO have a lot to offer. I do have potential, it's just in the raw right now. Thus, the acceptance of said "beatings" from some of the other members here. Especially the ones that have been here for quite some time. Hopefully, I am allowed to continue my journey throughout the two forums I belong to as of the moment; 600 being one of them.
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#45268 - 12/19/10 05:57 PM Bible Bash [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
And LaVey and his work must be addressed as well I think.

I suppose we are going to have to pick up the slack for ourselves, though. This looks to be as good a place to start as any:

 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
Taking from Jason King.. only the 1st percentile will understand.

When we look at LaVey's Bible with an objective eye, we can see that it has intentional wards around it to keep it from being easily accepted. Even once we get past its foreboding cover, the first real content after whichever preface, dedications and prologue are in your edition is a series of selections from Might is Right. These multi-level blasphemies, placed in the mouth of the Prince of Fire, are calculated to turn away not only Christians of any stripe but also the various atheists and agnostic humanists who are still so weak as to revere old JC as a "wise teacher" or "role model". Nine out of ten were afraid to touch the book; of those that did, another nine out of ten couldn't get past Redbeard.

But those that do cross the second ring-pass-not and reach Lucifer and his rainbow sheets are immediately subjected to a classical cold reading. They are told exactly what they want to hear for page after page, until their heads are nodding rhythmically and a few key ideas can be introduced which will serve as seeds to grow into what you see in the world now.

Once this is accomplished, the rest of the book consists of some examples and references suitable to justify the title for anyone who wants to get started experimenting with the ideas in a relatively safe environment. All in all, it has something for everyone, it satisfies those who study it, those who merely read it, and those who simply see it and shudder.

King's "Postmodern" offering takes a very different tack. It begins with a word cloud, followed by a long conversation with itself about how neat it is to go without an index, table of contents, or even paragraphing. While dense even here, it is at its most coherent at this point, addressing its transient purpose in the is to be:

 Originally Posted By: Jason King
Such are the hazards in
delivering a volume which aims to be
a complete introduction to a broad
approach to life, as is Satanism. And
yes, that is the purpose of this book.
“But wait,” you say, “wasn’t this
already done by one Anton Szandor
LaVey in his seminal The Satanic
Bible?” Indeed, Anton LaVey did
author the definitive work on modern
Satanism in 1969, but as the title of
this treatise makes evident, things
have moved beyond his particular
codification. And that, my friends, is a
big part of the viewpoint being offered
herein: nothing is ground in stone,
and everything progresses to that
which is better. Just as Anton
LaVey’s philosophy has been
superceded, so too will my own, for
such is the nature of the world. No
book has the power to codify reality
for all times and places, whether it be
called a Bible or not. Satanism must
be an energized philosophy instead of
a dogmatic one - I’d rather see people
who agree with me formulate their
own systematic analyses, instead of
quoting me like some authoritative
prophet or guru. Always keep in mind
the Satanic maxim: non serviam!
Somewhat related to this caveat is the
oxymoronic notion of the Satanic
group/church. Satanists should be
leaders, not followers, and the only
reason one would have to join a
group would be to achieve something
of value to the self, such as knowledge
or comradery. Short of such goals, all
a group can offer you is a dilution of
the very individualism which a
Satanist must exemplify. Perhaps the
biggest challenge for the Satanist
(given the nature of man as the “social
animal”) is the necessity of adopting
an approach towards society best
described as voluntary exile.

After a bit more ranting focused around some dude who betrayed the cause because his girlfriend got sick of the riff-raff or whatever, he proceeds to teaching his own style of yoga, which consists of sitting in a white room and then a black one. There are, reasons, of course.

Eventually he gets around to explaining that the universe is inherently predatory or "adversarial", that this quality of the universe must be personalized as "the Master", and that the works of everyone who contributed to our library are unnecessary and outmoded compared to his existential ramblings. For page after page after page, with some diagrams of your spine, the chakras, the tree of life, and whatever, overlapping circles.

Occasionally he breaks up the tide of text with lists of definitions, referred to as "the technology" for example. Though it sounds a bit like Scientology, there's no "space opera" mythology to break up the pressure, it's a continous stream of buzzwords and intellectual self-reflexion. While there may be much here for the person who has a solid grounding in philosophy and academia, I don't see any content that isn't to be found in a more appealing and / or useful form somewhere else.

So, which is more dangerous? Which will give more benefit to the reader? Which is more likely to be forgotten or never remembered to begin with? Which is more likely to be found in some kid's room after the deed was done?

These are rhetorical questions.

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#45269 - 12/19/10 07:07 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Aklo]
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So, in essence, your biggest concern is that he considers his work better than Lavey's?

The blasphemy; let's burn his house down.

A secure person would shrug and move on.

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#45276 - 12/19/10 10:57 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Diavolo]
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Nope, my biggest concern left was that I've dealt with this piece from different angles for a couple of days without ever giving it a square review in context. I've rectified that now. I didn't create the context though, I'm just kind of queer about coming round to the topic again when I get my chance.

Do you ever play with dogs? They are funny animals. They will chase their own tails, bark at things that aren't there. You can get them to run after sticks that you don't actually throw! It's an interesting way to pass a dull hour, not only in itself but as an allegory for human society.

Now imagine those dogs were supposed to be in a debate, that they had ideas they supposedly cared about and needed to advance or defend. But that any little bit of confusion so upset them that they forgot their purpose altogether and simply bit at the air and whined. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

I will give you an example of what I'm talking about, just a little one.

 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
 Originally Posted By: Aklo
Assuming he were real, of course. Wouldn't that be hilarious?

Not to you, though. You would want to "service" him, have a nice "go around" to see if you could improve his "lack of follow". All of which would greatly amuse whichever mage has his hand up tdi's ass. I thought it was Jason at first, but now that I'm more familar with his work, I see that he doesn't have the sense of humor.


I assure you, TheDeadIdea, is certainly a real person. Someone I have conversed with on several occasions. Also, more intelligent than anything I have really seen come from you. If it's not one copy and paste warrior, it's another who fails to see the difference between real ignorance and those who are just fucking around with someone to see who has the thinnest skin. AKA Someone who knows how to take a J..OK...E. \:\)

What's the real difference in content, between what I'm saying, and what she's saying? Minus the insults, the substance of either version is that there's a real person back there trolling, putting on a "stupid" act, and she finds that person worth talking to while he enjoys playing with her. All the differences that I can see amount to style.

We run into this a lot in corporate Amerika don't we? If they bother the techs and demand answers, and get told their shit is fucked, they can't stand that. But once we send in a marketing goon to explain that what's really going on is, their excrement is copulated, well! That explains it! And they back off and let the work get done. It's a funny world, man.

The left wing in politics have become experts in this emphasis on style over substance. When Bill Clinton told us he could feel our pain, when he smiled and cared on camera, he was doing his job. When he spent a million dollars making Air Force One circle around while he got a haircut, that didn't detract at all from the wonderful job he was doing. Meanwhile in the background, some good things AND some bad things got done, and most people never noticed the difference.

That's one of the methods by which we are ruled. There are others. It's a good idea to learn them.

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#45287 - 12/20/10 04:39 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Aklo]
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You know, my mother used to talk like this. I asked her what the weather was going to be and she starts to babble about unrelated stuff for 30 minutes resulting in me checking the newspaper.

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#45291 - 12/20/10 07:54 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Aklo]
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 Originally Posted By: Aklo
After a bit more ranting focused around some dude who betrayed the cause because his girlfriend got sick of the riff-raff or whatever, he proceeds to teaching his own style of yoga, which consists of sitting in a white room and then a black one. There are, reasons, of course.

Eventually he gets around to explaining that the universe is inherently predatory or "adversarial", that this quality of the universe must be personalized as "the Master", and that the works of everyone who contributed to our library are unnecessary and outmoded compared to his existential ramblings. For page after page after page, with some diagrams of your spine, the chakras, the tree of life, and whatever, overlapping circles.

Occasionally he breaks up the tide of text with lists of definitions, referred to as "the technology" for example. Though it sounds a bit like Scientology, there's no "space opera" mythology to break up the pressure, it's a continous stream of buzzwords and intellectual self-reflexion. While there may be much here for the person who has a solid grounding in philosophy and academia, I don't see any content that isn't to be found in a more appealing and / or useful form somewhere else.

So, which is more dangerous? Which will give more benefit to the reader? Which is more likely to be forgotten or never remembered to begin with? Which is more likely to be found in some kid's room after the deed was done?

These are rhetorical questions.


I have yet to encounter a reader of Postmodern Satanism who truly loathed it, so for that I thank you sincerely. I find it insightful to consider the things you mentioned, and the context within which you did so. And the usages of quotes (some direct, some indirect) are also telling. For example, I never gave a definition of anything called "the technology". This is an obvious mis-remembrance which leads to a comparison with scientology, for whatever reasons that happen to be buried within the reviewer's psyche.

The way the small text on "Symmetry Break" was handled by the reviewer is also quite telling - "with some diagrams of [. . .]the tree of life, and whatever, overlapping circles". Clearly, this person could not find it within themselves to actually critique the idea at hand. Inaccuracies abound, such as "sitting in a black room," which completely misses the point of that section. A white room, yes. But the black meditation requires no "room" for reasons that would have been obvious to anyone who did any better than skim just so they could stand on a soapbox.

My favorite part of the review, if it can be so-called, is this: "While there may be much here for the person who has a solid grounding in philosophy and academia". That, oddly enough, sounds exactly like what I was going for, so maybe this wasn't a shitcanning after all.

Finally, to address the "rhetorical questions" given in closing:

the second and third (questions) await the judgment of history, and only time will tell. I see Satanism as a fluid thing, ever evolving. I don't see either work as ground in stone - that is the mistake made by the other side, and unfortunately it is too often reflected in our own. I hope both volumes will be ultimately remembered as relics of a time when Gnosis was scarce and mankind had no inkling of its true potential.

the first and last (questions) are silly. TSB has been in the possession of, and shown marked influence on many criminals. But I wouldn't say the has any relevance to what is actually presented in the volume. In "academia" this would be called a cum hoc fallacy.

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#45429 - 12/22/10 05:00 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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I have yet to encounter a reader of Postmodern Satanism who truly loathed it, so for that I thank you sincerely. I find it insightful to consider the things you mentioned, and the context within which you did so. And the usages of quotes (some direct, some indirect) are also telling.

Not that hard to understand actually. From what I've heard from your videos and the few quotes being used here, the ideas presented aren't that entirely new. Most of them are points almost any Satanist already made his mind up about and whom were already noted in the SB..

The only thing which seemed making it different are but your personal views and stance on certain subjects.



Edited by Dimitri (12/22/10 05:01 AM)
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#45432 - 12/22/10 06:24 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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I might be wrong but "From what I've heard" doesn't seem a good basis to criticize anything. I don't think it is even good enough to form an opinion.

All it is good for is the type of conversations housewives have at their tea-parties.

D.

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#45434 - 12/22/10 06:52 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Diavolo]
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But if the sentence has been read like it has been written then you'd noticed I was referring to his spoken videos and not so much from summarisation from a talk about a debate which was about...

Housewive conversations can be enlighting.. and hilarious.
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#45441 - 12/22/10 10:43 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
But if the sentence has been read like it has been written then you'd noticed I was referring to his spoken videos and not so much from summarisation from a talk about a debate which was about...

Housewive conversations can be enlighting.. and hilarious.


I kept the above quote unmolested for a reason (probably the unintentional humor, but who knows).

Seriously "Dimitri," you've been here, there, and literally everywhere looking for respect, and where has it gotten you? I don't even know who you are in any other media, but obviously you know me in several. The very fact that this is the case makes you something of a __________ (let your imagination work here). If you disliked, or had comments to offer on any of my videos, do it on YT. If I took your lunch money on MCoS, bring it there, where it might be relevant. But please, and I do mean please, stop being a butthurt Satanist wannabe. Questions, "Dimitri"?

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#45446 - 12/22/10 12:43 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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I refer to the original opening post of this thread.

The Satanic Bible is a book of philosophy, a hand book of how to approach this world, perhaps from a predator point of view.

I cast no judgements, but it is a book, just one of many ways of seeing and acting in the world.

There is a suggestion that some in Symbolic Satanism are disatisfied with the TSB, so they have built upon the foundation of Lavey's ideas, adding some floors. What is likely to happen is that like most philosophies the TSB ends up as a point of reference mixed with other philosophies.

Luciferians don't have a guiding source like the TSB provides, so we tend to be chaotic in forming our own philosophy, borrowing from all over the place.
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#45447 - 12/22/10 12:57 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
[. . .}Luciferians don't have a guiding source like the TSB provides, so we tend to be chaotic in forming our own philosophy, borrowing from all over the place.


I'll bite.

According to Mabon2010, what are (at least) three defining characteristics of "luciferianism"? And you'll get extra points for each if they are defined in contrast to "Satanism".

JK

p.s., don't go overboard here. remember, less is more . . .
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#45451 - 12/22/10 01:37 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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@ Jason King

A Luciferian:

1. worships no entity.
2. seeks self empowerment.
3. expresses the higher self rather than the beast in man.
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#45452 - 12/22/10 01:51 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
@ Jason King

A Luciferian:

1. worships no entity.
2. seeks self empowerment.
3. expresses the higher self rather than the beast in man.


You got no points for contradistinction, but I'll give you a full 3 for brevity. These almost sound like a new version of "duck-billed platitudes," but whatever.

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#45453 - 12/22/10 02:04 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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@ Jason King

Perhaps you should study Luciferianism to get a better idea of what we are, as your statement reveals an ignorance of Luciferianism.
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#45454 - 12/22/10 02:27 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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as your statement reveals an ignorance of Luciferianism.

Do you really not understand how implausible shit like that makes you sound? Whatever we may have learned about Jason's faults from this dicussion, fucking "ignorance" isn't one of them.

He's judging your ideology based on your posts. If you think something isn't clear, why didn't you make it clearer? And why are you posting a whining one-liner now instead of correcting your mistake?

 Originally Posted By: Anton Szandor LaVey
BECAUSE — This is NOT the way to practice Satanic magic. If you cannot divorce yourself from hypocritical self-deceit, you will never be successful as a magician, much less a Satanist.

The Satanic religion has not merely lifted the coin — it has flipped it completely over. Therefore, why should it support the very principles to which it is completely opposed by calling itself anything other than a name which is totally in keeping with the reversed doctrines which make up the Satanic philosophy? Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal - all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path.


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#45455 - 12/22/10 02:27 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
@ Jason King

Perhaps you should study Luciferianism to get a better idea of what we are, as your statement reveals an ignorance of Luciferianism.


"luciferianism" is not a single thing. There is your interpretation of what others have attached the label to, but there is no corpus of thought properly so-called.

In other words, and to cut to the chase, you should probably stop using "Luciferianism says" when you really mean "Mabon says". Pretention of pedigree is some silly shit, dude . . .

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#45457 - 12/22/10 02:48 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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@ Aklo

The word by JK "duck-billed platitudes" for the 3 points of a Luciferian I made, would not have been made had JK known what Luciferianism was about, since those three points are a common denominator of most Luciferians.

@ Jason King

If I was to say "Mabon says" then I would address it as "Monadic Luciferianism", but I have kept it in the general Luciferian arena in this topic.
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#45458 - 12/22/10 03:02 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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@Mabon - Perhaps then, being that the thread has long since been derailed for many reasons, you should like to put up examples of separate types of Luciferian-ism? I did a bit of digging around last night and have in the past on the concept.. I would be more than happy to share some of the different types if you do not indeed have the time to.

Only a suggestion and not made out of jest.
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#45459 - 12/22/10 03:58 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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The word by JK "duck-billed platitudes" for the 3 points of a Luciferian I made, would not have been made had JK known what Luciferianism was about, since those three points are a common denominator of most Luciferians.

Are you even familiar with the Duck-billed Platitudes? Here's an example:

 Originally Posted By: Anton Szandor LaVey
Beauty is only skin deep.

A balm for the ugly, who cannot help but harbor hostility because of their condition. The plain and ugly often mask hostility behind an unctuous or affable facade which is sometimes mistaken for "inner beauty."


All he's saying is that your goals or signifiers or whatever they are to you are trite, and more wisdom could likely be found in deconstructing them than in believing in them.

So let's go:

 Quote:
1. worships no entity.

Bullshit. You stick on philosophical and even merely semantic points all the time. Just because you don't personalize these verbal complexes doesn't mean they ain't "entities". You worship labels.

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2. seeks self empowerment.

How do you seek self-empowerment? By believing things? Things that manifestly aren't so? I will stick with what I consider a better strategy, telling people what they want to hear to soften them up and then taking their money.

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3. expresses the higher self rather than the beast in man.

Where is the Higher Self? Can you show Him to me? Whose Self is He? If yours, what good will He do me? If mine, how does that help you? Isn't He actually just god in a funny hat?

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#45461 - 12/22/10 04:15 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Aklo]
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Out of curiosity, please post the types you have found.

@ Aklo
I was asked to provide a list of three Luciferian attributes, which I did. I was not asked to write an essay about them.

The point of this topic was the Satanic Bible, which was the subject of my original post, so I am aware this is going off topic into the subject of Luciferianism. If you want to debate this further with me, start another topic.

A Luciferian provides a useful list of attributes in the following web site:
http://luciferiansword.com/Lucifer.html
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#45462 - 12/22/10 05:49 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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When going through that list, Luciferianism seems to be very new-age. A lot of what is included there seems to be in direct opposition with what Satanism stands for and makes me wonder if Lucifer, in this case, isn't just a synonym for the Goddess.

D.

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#45465 - 12/22/10 08:15 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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It would be my pleasure to do so..

In a different thread. I think that it deserves a bit more detail and scrolling through these massive back and forths give me a headache. So, I will get to that later tonight.

Please do look for it as I think you would either benefit from it or be able to build off of it.

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#45482 - 12/23/10 06:23 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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Seriously "Dimitri," you've been here, there, and literally everywhere looking for respect, and where has it gotten you? I don't even know who you are in any other media, but obviously you know me in several.

Well, if you refer to videos of yourself, then I tend to watch them if they are of any use during a conversation here.
Hardly looking for respect, only to share information and views. I've said it many times before, I'm not the kind of guy who roams site after site after site after youtube videos after other sites to find other Satanists. Quite frankly MCoS was a place I used to frequent but got kicked out, 600club is something I frequent now, I might in the future even disappear here if the site has been taken down for various reasons or if I think the intellectual level has reached a newest low..

There lies the difference between me and many other individuals who say/claim they are Satanists. I have no need to mentally masturbate about the philosophy or even make youtube videos, writing great laps of texts of whatsnotandwhatis Satanic. Admitted I sometimes do so..but it's more of a "take it or ignore it".

And in my honest opinion, I think if you claim yourself to be a Satanist yet have joined many "Satanic" forums and websites have made multiple videos etc... then you might just start to consider yourself as a person interested in the philosophy instead of a Satanist. Just my view, you can take it or leave that ;\)
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#45488 - 12/23/10 06:42 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I've said it many times before, I'm not the kind of guy who roams site after site after site after youtube videos after other sites to find other Satanists. Quite frankly MCoS was a place I used to frequent but got kicked out, 600club is something I frequent now, I might in the future even disappear here if the site has been taken down for various reasons or if I think the intellectual level has reached a newest low..


Don't you think that in an era where search engines dig up everything from the last years, statements like this can easily be disproved? Now mind you, everyone joins as many sites as they want. As long as they enjoy it, let them, but when they ride in on their high horse accusing others of being Internet satanists, it sounds a bit ridiculous when they themselves have been constantly roaming that very Internet.

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#45495 - 12/23/10 09:07 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Diavolo]
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I am aware of the search engines finding these laps of text. The readers can take it or leave it, not really my problem. Information is like a river, a flow. I might say and state things I truly believe in now, but within this and a month, year, 2 years, decade.. think I was a stupid a'hole... (mind you I am sometimes having a hard time reading my older posts without thinking "damn how stupid could I have been..").

I know I sometimes sound like a hypocrite, and I very probably am.. I call certain people Internet Satanists for certain traits I think who fall under the definition of that word. I might enjoy JK presence here after a while when I'm a bit more familiar with his ways, maybe to some he is a little "star" in Satanism but having never heard of him makes me shrug the shoulders and place him on a very less higher step. Thats the price of not going to social networking sites of "like-minded people". I might be fairly unknown to the "greater masses" which results in many idiots calling me a "Satanic newb" or even say I'm not a Satanist at all. Fuck them, I know how I live, what I do and admit being a blasting hypocrit and a pain in the ass from time to time. I have no need to gain respect from others, only show a bit of respect so I'm not getting kicked out and can continue to contribute and/or guide others with various experiences I had.
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#45496 - 12/23/10 09:10 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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Oh but you don't need to adore every newcomer here, far from it but overall I get the impression you are presenting yourself as a satanic know-it-all. Which begs the question on what that idea is based.

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#45497 - 12/23/10 09:43 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Diavolo]
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The attitude is explained by the reason that way too many persons show parrot behavior and share the same traits of certain pseudo skeptics (I.e. keep on talking about ideas without any substance, keep referring to the same darn old references which already have been thoroughly researched and the inconsistencies being pointed out time and time again, refusing to analyse claims (mostly just tossing it away without taking a critical look and perhaps educating the person) and the constant self-boosting without taking a honest more inward looking approach.)

I'm sorry to say it so blatantly, but age hardly plays a role for such behavior. Most (new) members (even some blue ones here) display this kind of behavior.

And to answer your question why I seemingly present myself as a know-it-all is just for the reason given. I have always talked from personal real world experiences and "academic" points of view. I am more busy living my life then discussing Satanism which results, not that surprising, I am having an increasing amount of knowledge of the philosophy by experience then simply debating the same subjects over and over again.

I might miss a few things like the current "stars", the latest groups being formed, a new description in an attempt to blend oneself into Satanism (Spiritual Satanism, Social Satanists, Gnostic Satanism,... and the likes). As an example: JK is considered by some a little Satanist star, but it is only from a few days ago I knew that person existed, let alone cared what he said.


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#45498 - 12/23/10 09:50 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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See, this is exactly what I am talking about. You tend to come across as pompous most of the time. I wonder why you feel the need to exaggerate your accomplishments, your knowledge and scientificness so much. One doesn't need to be a rocket-scientist to see that someone at 21 will only be into Satanism for two or three years and that their experience or scientific/academic accomplishments won't be enormous since they're still studying. So what exactly forces you to create this mythological me? Are you afraid the normal you isn't good enough?

There are many people here practicing Satanism longer than you actually live and they still know how to be themselves without inflating everything about them.

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#45501 - 12/23/10 10:07 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Diavolo]
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Didn't I also say I sometimes have a hard time reading my older posts for reasons already given?
Besides, I am aware some of the things I now see as acomplishments will later be trivialities. A mythological me? I only give straight-forward and honest opinions and views. It's your view of seeing them as pompous. I'm always in for a debate when needed and will retread on time when the knowledge starts to lack.

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to see that someone at 21 will only be into satanism for two or three years and that their experience or scientific/academic accomplishments won't be enormous since they're still studying.

Is something I already heard quite a lot (upon entering MCoS 4-5 years ago and entering here). You belief it will be 2-3 years, I guess you will be proven wrong. Feel free to bring it back up if I still frequent this place within 5 years or longer or elsewhere . ;\)
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#45502 - 12/23/10 10:12 AM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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Joined MCoS at May 4 2008, which again proves my point.

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#45509 - 12/23/10 01:13 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
Joined MCoS at May 4 2008, which again proves my point.

D.

Weird.. I thought it was longer ago I joined them. Perhaps it was another place I'm probably confusing it with.
Doesn't really proves your point, as said before; you can bring it back on within 5 years or later if I ever happen to cross you again.

Can we leave the petty attitudes now and get back to the original topic? If you really want to continue this subject or give other advice on steering my behavior --> PM please.

And happy holidays to yourself also \:\)
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#45511 - 12/23/10 01:21 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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Of course you were at another place but I wouldn't really call it a satanic one. We don't need to take it to PM, I'm making a point here. It's not that I mind you here but your tendency to exaggerate combined with an unhealthy approach to others doesn't really make you popular. And if things turn out to not exactly be as presented, people tend to not take you serious, which might reflect on anything you say here.

What I'm getting at is that when people act normal, others only care about what they say and when it is valuable, or interesting, they appreciate it. But whenever an attitude tends to overwhelm the very content, people tend to only react to that.

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#45573 - 12/24/10 12:11 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
And to answer your question why I seemingly present myself as a know-it-all is just for the reason given. I have always talked from personal real world experiences and "academic" points of view. I am more busy living my life then discussing Satanism which results, not that surprising, I am having an increasing amount of knowledge of the philosophy by experience then simply debating the same subjects over and over again.


LOL, utter self-defeat. No, dude, you literally cut your own head off here. Don't bother with a response, just take a week or two on the respirator. Or the grammarator, whichever may be more appropriate (it's a genuine toss-up).

JK
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#45574 - 12/24/10 12:15 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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Jason.. you can in all honesty fuck-off.
Perhaps your teenage fans will rejoice and smile and masturbate on that commentary, but in the end I could only conclude that Satanism is something you will hardly gasp.

I have wondered that apart from whining and insulting others you had something to contribute. Looks like you can't.
Consider yourself ignored.


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#45576 - 12/24/10 12:40 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I have wondered that apart from whining and insulting others you had something to contribute. Looks like you can't.


Well, "dimitri," I'll be honest with you. I have had, in the short span of my participation on 600, at least four private messages that enthusiatically encourage me to stomp you into some mushy pulp. I don't know whether it's the avatar, or your half-retarded replies, but it seems as though you are the forum clown. Now look, dude, you can take this however you wish, but just understand - you are fighting a battle you cannot win.

JK
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#45579 - 12/24/10 01:58 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Jason King]
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@ Jason King

Apart from a book few will read your contribution to Satanism seems to be more about attacking others than offering any positive contribution to Satanism. Mr King, you could make your posts worthwhile reading if you intelligently attack ideas rather than the people, which would make you look more intelligent.


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#45581 - 12/24/10 02:13 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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Mr King, you could make your posts worthwhile reading if you intelligently attack ideas rather than the people, which would make you look more intelligent.

This made me chuckle. You ARE the same mabon that used to make 13 3000 word blogs every day(elsewhere) without ever saying ANYTHING right?(before dramatically leaving in a cloud of buthurt for not getting the recognition only you seemed to think you deserved)

Worth reading...lol...pot..meet kettle.

I would put one drunken JK post against the entire body of your work insofar as CONTENT is concerned, any day.

Besides, what do you care about Satanism. By your own words(directly and indirectly) you aren't a Satanist anyway.
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#45582 - 12/24/10 02:19 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dan_Dread]
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@ Dan Dread

There was no "butt hurt" when I left SIN, it was a change of priorities due to time limits, I dropped one forum in favour of two Luciferian ones.

Correct, I am a Luciferian.

If you like my long blogs I would hate you to miss out, so here is my personal blog site , enjoy.

I am sure it takes no genius to work out that a high standard intellectual site would be better served by people attacking ideas rather than the individual, as I observe Jason King seems to be unable to do at the present time.


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#45583 - 12/24/10 02:34 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
@ Jason King

Apart from a book few will read your contribution to Satanism seems to be more about attacking others than offering any positive contribution to Satanism. Mr King, you could make your posts worthwhile reading if you intelligently attack ideas rather than the people, which would make you look more intelligent.


You're right, Mabon, I have a bad habit of taking out the garbage. But devoid of doing so, one's house ultimately smells of piss and shit. However, in the midst of taking care of these simple chores, I can still put together thoughts more relevant than whiners such as yourself.

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#45584 - 12/24/10 02:36 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Dan_Dread]
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You ARE the same mabon that used to make 13 3000 word blogs every day(elsewhere) without ever saying ANYTHING right?


AND we can't forget that one of those was entirely dedicated to trashing The 600 Club. Which leads me to wonder, if this place is so bad, why is he here? I mean, aside from the obvious attempt at preaching that "Luciferian" garbage.

Edit: Also wanted to say that, if one is capable of intelligently ripping apart another person's idea, there is nothing wrong with a few personal insults thrown into the mix for good measure. This ridicule can often times help to get people to think before posting crap. Or if they are a whiny bitch with sand in their vagina they will simply leave. Either way it's a winning scenario.


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#45587 - 12/24/10 02:56 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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@ Jason King
Deeds not Words. Lets see your intelligence on display then by attacking the ideas rather than the people, unless you have some disability which prevents you from doing that.

@ 6Satan6Archist6
More an observation than any "whiny" complaints.
I like 600Club, I think there are some sharp minds here, and when I read about all those guys with successful businesses my whole opinion changed.
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#45599 - 12/24/10 07:57 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: mabon2010]
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I personally see the 600 club trashing as the best publicity we can get, besides it being an occasional source of amusement. It makes other curious and it also, from time to time, attracts the better ones out there who like to see if they can stand their ground.

Most find out it isn't as bad as depicted, unless of course, they join under the illusion Satanism is a warm and welcoming family.

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#45609 - 12/24/10 11:11 PM Re: Bible Bash [Re: Diavolo]
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Indeed it is quite hilarious. And I am not bothered by it; I look at in the same way you do. I just found it funny that he would frequent a place that he has such a low opinion of.

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It makes other curious and it also, from time to time, attracts the better ones out there who like to see if they can stand their ground.


It's funny that you say that. Even though I came across this place in a roundabout way, I stuck around to see if I could stand my ground.

And really a website devoted to Satanism should have a "badass reputation" - as opposed to one of weakness or mediocrity.
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