#45941 - 01/05/11 01:25 PM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Autodidact
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The removal of the "N" word from Huck Finn, good or bad idea? Why?
Not only removing the word "nigger", but "... a new version of the book, this time scrubbed clean of the sensitive words." I understand "injun" will be replaced with "Native American", and "white" will be replaced with "melanin-challenged", which is clearly double-plus ungood.
I'm of two minds on this. A dumber society is clearly less convenient and more work for me. Hiding reality and ignoring history causes confusion and communication problems, at a bare minimum.
OTOH, making stupid the norm makes it easier for me and mine to rule over them. People get the government they deserve. Who am I to complain about the world they want to contain themselves in?
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#45977 - 01/06/11 10:39 AM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Opacus
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My problem with this is that once "they" get started changing things "they" don't like "they" never stop.
First it is racial terms, then "they" might decide it would be better or PC to start changing political terms;
Give 'em an inch....
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#45987 - 01/06/11 12:33 PM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Asmedious
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It never seizes to amaze me how so many people allow words to manipulate them. If anything is offensive regarding the “N word,” is that people have the audacity to say “N” instead of “Nigger.” It’s a fucking word. If you fear the word, then you don’t deserve to use it, not even a letter suggesting which word you fear.
If someone acts like a “Nigger,” then you can call them a brain surgeon, but everyone will still see him as a Nigger.
I am of the opinion that words do not hurt, nor are they hurtful. What hurts most is the truth. Call me anything you will, if I do not find any truth behind the word, it doesn’t phase me.
Call an intelligent, successful and confident black person a “Nigger,” and the only one that puts down is the person using the word. If a term in no way reflects the reality of a person’s circumstance then I don’t see how it could have any internal affect on them.
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#46008 - 01/06/11 05:47 PM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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SkaffenAmtiskaw
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A couple of years back Jospeh Conrad came under attack, several years after his demise, at the hands of one Chinua Achebe, who found Conrad's liberal use of the term 'nigger' in many of his books to be distasteful.
Leave it to a Nigerian, with little knowledge of how ubiquitous racial prejudice was in turn-of-the-century Europe, to fuck it up. Can anybody imagine the book "The African Gentleman of Colour of the Narcissus" and how catchy it would be?
The term 'nigger', by the way, originated as something far from offensive.
I know all this wikipedia bullshit gets on everybody's nerves, but Conrad was not considered racist by his contemporaries. If we were to make a headcount, most of the founding fathers of America held slaves. I don't see people running around calling them racists. It's just quarreling a point for the sake of the quarrel.
And now they're going after Huckleberry Finn? Makes me gag. People who support this should be banned from public libraries for ever. It's tantamount to book burning.
Over here, certain children's songs have been excised from song books due to potentially offensive racial archetypes. Go figure.
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#46023 - 01/06/11 10:21 PM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Nyte
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"Political correctness" has all ready ruined so many good things it's not even funny. And now Huckleberry Finn. Sad day that we have to worry about a word offending everyone and anyone. I say, if you don't want it to affect you (any slur), then don't be one. Simple as that.
I'm curious though. Nemesis, you brought up a good point to the rap videos but what I don't understand is why is it ok for them to go around "Nigga dis" and "Nigga dat" but it's not ok to use the word in a classic book under the correct context? It's ok for the suburban whitebred trash driving mommy and daddy's 4 door sedan run around lookin' "gangsta" and talking the slang, but it's not ok to have a word used properly, according to the culture of that time, in a BOOK? What the hell is wrong with this picture?
This country use to be able to laugh at itself with all it's mixed cultures, poke fun at each other or even themselves without becoming offended, and enjoy the differences. Now, everyone gets "offended" at the smallest thing, even a word. I've seen it too often, with lyrics for music lately (a song that refered to Helen Keller) to people having an issue with Chief Wahoo (the Cleveland Indians mascot). People need to get over themselves all ready.
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#46043 - 01/07/11 08:52 AM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Autodidact
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To try and shine the light of what's socially or politically acceptable in the 21st Century onto a work that originated in a totally different era is beyond lunacy.
While I agree it shouldn't be done (despite my previous tongue-in-cheek comment above), it's perfectly understandable.
The fact is that this is a time-honored method of pushing one's own sociopolitical agenda. Note that malice is not required here; the most common form of "benevolent" agenda being an honest, but misguided, attempt to "do what's best for the children."
Changing history is as easy as changing what's taught to children.
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#46048 - 01/07/11 10:03 AM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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mike616joaquin
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To try and shine the light of what's socially or politically acceptable in the 21st Century onto a work that originated in a totally different era is beyond lunacy. Changing history is as easy as changing what's taught to children. Totally in agreement with you on all counts.
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#46058 - 01/07/11 11:31 AM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Aklo
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There's a lot of money that revolves around the whining, though. Just in this case, the conflict is going to sell the new version of the book and also boost sales for the old version. This will increase racial tension a wee bit, reducing cooperation and creating another kind of market too. Keeping us divided, especially over irrelevant issues, is a big part of ruling us.
A whole lot of people are standing around the water cooler today talking about this one. And that means they aren't talking about how their insurance costs have gone up, for example. We have more troop movement right now than we ever did under George W, but the media isn't showing us any body-bags. Instead they are focused on skin-color again, holding their fingers up in scare quotes around the letter "N". And our off-white president is nodding and smiling and talking about "bringing people together".
It's a funny world. Rule it or be ruled by it.
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#46064 - 01/07/11 12:38 PM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Trapdoor Spider
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If we have to replace each word or idea ever written that could offend someone, we sure have a lot of work ahead of us. People are trying to be so PC, or demanding it, it becomes mind-numbing.
That's a great point. "They" are working toward that. They have made it, in some people, so that one is soo well trained that, even in the heat of an angry rant, words like nigger aren't even produced in the mind. You can't be politically incorrect because you don't know how to be. It's all part of plan. And i'm willing to bet my own blood that someone from Bnai Brith or the NAACP is behind it.
(edit) You know, this how full of bull shit this is. Look, you listen to any rap song, and nigger is in every other sentance. This has nothing to do with the word nigger, this is about altering the perception of the world the way it was. Someone is up to something and it has nothing to do with people being offended by a word.
Wasn't it in 1984 when Orwell wrote those who control the present control the past, those who control the past control the future?
Edited by Trapdoor Spider (01/07/11 01:21 PM)
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#46235 - 01/08/11 01:02 PM
Re: New Huck Finn reprint - No more "N" word.
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Fist
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Since black men in the US tend to be pretty insecure, it's not surprising that a mere word would immediately put them on the defensive. All one has to do is watch a rap video to see how they try to overcompensate by portraying themselves as badasses, pimps, and playas, driving ridiculous cars and living in homes that could house a couple boat loads of Tamil refugees.
Nailed it!
And that is because these guys grow up without a good male roll model to show them how a man is suppose to act.
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