#46327 - 01/09/11 06:15 PM
Re: Time to update exectution procedures in USA
[Re: mabon2010]
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Harvey
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It could be argued that America is tough on crime. If we apply the label of 'Terror' to a person's actions - and they seem to be popping up everywhere these days: Julian Assange, Anti-War Demonstrators and HO-MO-Sex-u-als [It's bad for the troops :D] for example - then we can skip the lengthy trials, motions, appeals, the burden of proof, and get straight to it.
Presumably there has been no serious crime in Britain since 1964? 
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#46331 - 01/09/11 06:36 PM
Re: Time to update exectution procedures in USA
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mabon2010
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@ 6Satan6Archist6
In making my suggestions I am:
1. Adding some humanity to the execution process in the USA.
2. Making the execution process more efficient.
3. Addressing the weakness of potential miscarriage of justice by the USA providing a low quality public defender of the accused.
HUMANITY
The existing execution procedure which is lethal injection is cruel in my opinion. Hanging is quick, your neck is broken so you will feel nothing, then whilst unconscious you suffocate, with death within 20 minutes. No pain. Lethal injection is open to mistakes which could lead to suffering, though since the convict is paralysed their agony will not be apparent to the witness who sees them dying in apparent peace.
Having a convict in a living torment of a decade of more in a cell, with death always present, in solitary confinement, with no access to even proper sunlight is living torture.
Retribution is a major quality of American justice, and taking the life away from the convict is adequate enough punishment. Torture of a decade or more imprisonment is torture and unjustified.
EFFICIENCY
Keeping a convict in prison before death for a decade or more costs money, as does a lengthy and trivial appeals system.
The American public deserves swift justice for the convict at minimum cost to the taxpayer.
With lethal injection it is a slow complex system. The hanging process you could clear all of death row by multiple hangings at one time, like a production line, within a month or so.
JUSTICE
The American system provides low quality and poorly paid defenders for the accused. The money saved by cutting out the bullsh*t of multiple appeals and looking after a prisoner on death row for more than ten years can be thrown into the best defence team for the accused, who in the initial fight and the one and only appeal will give the prosecution an adequate enough fight to wipe out any flaws in the case. If the case is lost and the appeal despite top defenders being on the case, then in my opinion the case is proven and the convict dies within a month of sentence.
CHILDREN
Obviously I am not supporting the idea of executing children for trivial things like stealing a loaf of bread. I am talking about murder. That kid who killed his mother recently with a shot to the head knew what he was doing, aged 10, he had a dozen guns in his room; he had probably shot dead animals and seen what happens when guns are fired at people in television and cinema. The kid knows the effects of shooting a gun at another person. He is death sentence material. No mercy.
TOUGH ON CRIME
Execution in my opinion gets rid of bad material, it is not deterrent, more dealing with rubbish rather than wasting money on prison for them.
Edited by mabon2010 (01/09/11 06:38 PM)
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#46357 - 01/10/11 01:39 AM
Re: Time to update exectution procedures in USA
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Nyte
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Britain went soft in 1964 - terrible crimes have been committed and are being committed. Our weakness disgusts me.
Hmm, and you feel the need to tell the US how to change their own system?
Mind you, I don't like ALL of our current justice system, but there are reasons for it. I also don't go around telling other countries "how" to cure their own ailing systems either.
I agree Americans need to find a way to fix a good many things in our own system. I do, however, like the idea that we can "fight" for our lives should we be wrongfully imprisoned. A month may not be sufficient time to acquire all the evidence we need to clear our own name. That's been proven more than once, and because we do have the kind of system we have. You don't live here, so you haven't had the experience to pass such judgments on our justice system. I don't live in Great Britain, therefore, I WON'T pass judgment on your system.
If nothing else, take away a learning point from things many other countries, including the US, have done. Don't try to "fix" things for other countries that you know little to nothing about.
As for your comment about "getting on with the job"....I'd love to see you say that (or better yet, get on with the job) if it were your own child hanging from the ropes at only 10 years old.
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#46374 - 01/10/11 08:36 AM
Re: Time to update exectution procedures in USA
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Asmedious
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Retribution is a major quality of American justice, and taking the life away from the convict is adequate enough punishment. Torture of a decade or more imprisonment is torture and unjustified.
Are you talking from experience? Have you ever watched someone you cared deeply about being brutalized and then murdered?
Personally I am lucky because nothing like that has ever happened to me, but if it did I can imagine that I would feel that "Torture of a decade or more imprisonment," would not be nearly enough.
In regards to people comparing the slaughtering of animals to executing violent criminals:
I'm one of those people that if given the opportunity, I will catch of fly and throw it outside rather then killing it. At work that's become a bit of a joke because I have actually grabbed fly swatters from people and put the offending bug outside. (Interestingly my Very Christian coworkers have often gone out of their way to step on a bug).
For me there is a huge difference between killing an animal vs killing someone who has purposefully caused great harm to others merely for the thrill or to satisfy some kind of need within themselves. Yet, I realize that somewhere deep inside of me there is something that has the ability to commit just about every kind of offense that has ever been commited.
Could I kill someone? To be honest, I don’t know myself that well. In my mind I can clearly see myself being able to kill someone very slowly and painfully in the name of revenge for certain things and even enjoy it.
However, there is absolutely no way of knowing for certain, since I’ve never had cause to do such a thing.
I can also see myself pushed to a point in a war setting where I might commit all kinds of things that are considered atrocities, and still be able to live with myself afterwards.
BUT...realistically I know myself well enough that I am talking out of my ass since I’ve never purposefully hurt anyone. Ever. Quite the opposite actually. I am a strong believer in “The human contract,” and will go out of my way to help someone in need if I am able to, even putting myself at risk.
So could I kill someone whom I thought deserved it? I simply do not know. I hope that I could, but maybe I couldn’t if it actually came down to it.
One thing I know for sure. If I couldn’t do it, I would be very disappointed in myself afterwards.
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#46390 - 01/10/11 11:34 AM
Re: Time to update exectution procedures in USA
[Re: Nyte]
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mabon2010
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@ Nyte
OTHER NATIONS
I am British and I am writing my opinion to an international Satanist forum. I am entitled to my opinions about other nations, just as you or anyone is about my nation. I am not telling your nation to do anything, if I was I would be going to the decision maker such as President Obama rather than 600Club.
Sure I am not American, and I only visited your nation once to meet Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse at Disney World as a child. I like America and Donald Duck. I think your execution system sucks, so I offer opinion and suggestions as an outsider.
Britain does have an investment in the execution industry of your citizens as we are supplying you with the drugs to kill them - 176 Horn Lane, Acton, London to be precise, along with helping people to drive safely.
If you feel I am still unqualified to pass judgement on your execution system then if you privatise it, I will invest in it, as I think with my efficiency improvements there is good money to be made in the killing machine of the American justice system.
CHILDREN
Your concerns that I would participate in the execution of my own child is a non-event. I won't be having any of those nasty creatures. Hail myself, there is no room for children in my devotion to my own legend.
Edited by mabon2010 (01/10/11 11:38 AM)
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