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#4649 - 02/29/08 05:44 PM Satanic World Order
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Life is short, we are all born dying, and Man is a beast as any other beast. If we are going to believe, if we know that man is just another animal, than why not go all the way and breed like one? The law of nature is our law. Its way is our way. Just as any plant and animal can be made superior by accentuating valuable and desirable qualities, so to can man be bred to be superior.


Our way is based on understanding what traits and qualities we might have as an individual, then finding a mate with similar qualities or whose grandparents have those same qualities, it doesn't matter what their skin color might be. It is intelligent design. The science of breeding children that will climb the social ranks and strata faster, and be better than his neighbor in mind and body.

Why is it that it can be right and acceptable for a man to pick and choose a girl to "fall in love with" and have children with her based on the size of her breasts, and rump, the slender size of her waist, how her face looks...

But yet it is horrific and evil to choose a girl for her artistic and creative talents... her intellectual capacity... for her family and blood relations... with the intent of manufacturing a child who is wanted, created for a reason and purpose, to be better than the lame brains around him?

Why is it right and acceptable for a man to be able to fall in love with a girl and accidentally having a baby with her or making one without regard to planning...

But yet it is evil for a man to incorporate intelligent design and use selective breeding to purposefully and mindfully create the next generation? Didn't God intend to make Man, and intelligently design him, or was mankind a cosmic mistake? Because if we are a evolutionary product of nature, and we do not live according to its way, then we will be driven into extinction by those that do.

Wasn't it selective breeding that made us as a species who we are? Wasn't it the biased emotional - subjective choice on the part of our female ancestors to pick the best quality, most healthy male to insure her survival, and the survival of her offspring? Wasn't it her choice of picking as a mate and companion a male who had confidence, ambition, strength, and a healthy good appearance over the six toed, hairy guy that walked on his knuckles or the crippled one to insure her survival and her offspring's success in life? Weren't the weak wiped out from lack of mates because they were undesirable? Aren't we all the genetic descendants of some forgotten Alpha Male who hoarded his females from inferior men from his harem? Or did we fall out of the sky in a space ship 100 thousand years ago? These subjective choices that these ancestral protohumans made, and early humans made defines who we are and made us how we look today. What was wrong with all of that?

Why is it evil and horrifying to be human?

Whats wrong with observing the world and seeing that their are some groups of people that are still living in the stone age as they have been since the beginning of mankind, and noticing that other groups of people evolve and progress, and then Questioning why this is so? Is their something intrinsically holy and sacred about this that I can't question it, lest I commit blasphemy? It is clear to those that can observe that there are some humans who are blessed with Nobility of Mind, or something most lack, which causes them to be creative, ambitious, determined to progress and evolve against all odds. While others remain hopeless animals with a rudimentary base intelligence that boarders the intellect of apes.

Is their anything wrong with some of our ancestors fighting, warring, struggling, breeding their way to the top of a nation's social strata, than desiring to maintain that hard earned privilege from illiterate peasants? Its like a manager of a company has fought his way through school to earn his position in the company which requires intelligence, skill, problem solving... whereas an employee just works, and only requires enough brains to open a box and stock an item. He'll go home to drink a beer, sleep with his wife, sleep the night, only to wake up to do the same routine over and over again, and when he grows to old to work he is tossed out by the state and company he was bred to work for like an old boot, to be replaced by the next generation of workers. Is this the life you want for your children? But the manager's children... will continue to run the show. It's just how nature works. This is the reason why Capitalism works so well. Its human nature to exploit the weak for personal selfish gain.

It doesn't require any amount of intelligence to bang a girl and make a baby. But it does require intelligence to skillfully design one that will achieve greatness; ones that will leave their mark on this earth and be immortalized in the minds of Mankind; while others die, they melt away into dust, and it is as if they had never existed at all. What a waste of life, to have done nothing more in life but work, sleep, shit, and copulate. Selective Breeding requires self control, and a focus on the future out come and results. It is a long term investment... like the ants that work hard all season while the grasshopper plays... "With time all things are possible."

Color of skin is not an issue. If superiority of race is based on technological genius and innovation - then i would say that the Japanese and now Chinese are taking the lead. If it how many inventions and patents one's race has, then i would have to consider all the men and women of different skin color who have had a genius idea, but had no money or means to purchase a patent... if language makes anglo-saxon superior - it is only so because it is open to borrowing, annexing, and innovating other people's words. If Jews suck, then I would have to recall all of those great scientists who are Jews. If racial supremacy is based on the spread of civilization and culture at the genocidal expense of other gentle people's cultures and traditions, which has eradicated entire tribes, ethnic nations, traditional religions, then true, the Nordic Anglo-Saxon is "mighty," but the dark skinned Mayans, Egyptians, Dravidians, and Gangis Khan have done it better long ago, and unlike anglo-saxon they have left near invincible landmarks as a sign of their ancient people's accomplishments. The "Nordics" haven't done much accept leave their frost bitten icepack and raid, plunder, and rape indigenous european cultures. The British Empire was the greatest empire in the world; i don't have much bad to say about the British Empire (I love English; it's the only language I'm fluent in; and I'm one of those that believes it should be the only Global Language); except that i would label it a misjudgment or misuse of words when one calls the genocide of indigenous races, and the theft of other people's lands as supremacy. What if other people and cultures, having done all this thousands of years before, just learned to be gentle and stick to themselves, and to live in harmony with nature... those native americans are genetically asian. I just recently read a book about some Chinese linguists having learned that many words used and spoken by indigenous tribal people deep in the Amazon are old chinese words. And I have also read that some native americans are mitachondrially (mtDNA) of Native Australian stock.

White people have every right to practice and believe in a Hitleresque Eugenics and desire to wipe out racial degenerates, and if those racially impure are too ignorant or too busy killing themselves (gangs and the like) to fight back, then they deserve to be wiped out; after all its survival of the fittest, and those that aren't fit to survive the Darwinian Struggle, must by nature's law be weak and must in time be subjugated, exploited, and eradicated. But so do others. Our agenda is to breed mighty men; mighty in mind, with supreme intellect and creative impulse. His weapon: the Trident whose points are: Intuition, Commonsense, and Reason. In the end the Might of Mind will always out do the Might of force. Unlike the herd and the White Supremest, we understand that nature favors the collective and organized over the individualized unit. Whatever ideas of supremacy they have is shallow, for they are still divided and individualized. In the end of the game the Satanist will triumph. The pen, as they say, is mightier than the sword. The key to the game is directing or funneling the raw brute mental energy and force of the herd into a concentrated reservoir such as a symbol, a doctrine, a system, a corporation, and using them for our gain. This is all they are good for. This is all every war has ever been fought for - for power and control over the Sheeple.


There is nothing pretty about base human nature. We are the only organism that can take a religion and belief system of love and brotherhood (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism) and turn it into a system and machine of genocide and murder. Supremacy is a relative term; and we should not mistake the innovated/twisted ideology of Occidental Eugenics as it is understood in the West with what is commonly everyday practice of many people, social class, and tribes across the Orient. One is much older and in tune with nature and natural selection, the other is political and racial.

As Satanists we are taught of be honest and True to ourselves. Let's not lie to ourselves. Man isn't angelic, its only a lie we tell ourselves, and a costume we wear; but sometimes the Flames of Shiva's Eye strikes, and burns down our hallowed sanctuary... a hurricane strikes, and we see for a moment, Man in his true form and nature - a creature that would kill and rape for survival and pleasure - like any creature - and we learn Shiva's great lesson: That Man is an animal more vicious than his four legged cousins... some more well bred than others. Some more intelligent than others. That life has no meaning. It is just the Wheel of Dharma ever spinning, Life in Motion, ever progressing. In the timeless nature of life, we are nothing more than passing verbs, and our only reason that life made us is to pass those genes and light down to continue the cycle, ever forward. The thought that Humanity is the crown jewel of God, the universe, or nature and is the only intelligent being in the universe, is both insane, and frightening.

What would a Satanic World Order look like?

Would it be a democracy that embraces liberty and freedom? Wouldn't such a state insure religious freedom, and therefore generate more people we can't get along with?

Would it be a communist republic? A Satanic Theocracy? A fascist meritocracy? How would such an World Order be established? Understood it will not take a single life time.

Does Satanism have an ultimate purpose, or is it just a mental toy to keep one's thinking process busy, a label we wear to make us different from "the herd?"

Something tells me that we won't be able to agree on a Satanic World Order, because we can hardly agree with basic topics and issues in this forum.

We've never given this any serious thought. We're not truly organized... unless one considers internet churches and 'psychobabble' to be organization.

The more time passes, the more the wheel of life will crush us as a people... the more we are exploited by ''those that be.''

What exactly, in this context, makes us any different from the Christian next door who will labor for state and corporation for the rest of his life - a peasantile servant to the organized rich and powerful? Because weather we are satanists, christian, or whatever, we all are slaves to the 10 percenters that own 90 percent of the wealth. Or does a satanist accept his/her lot in life, so long as we have our beer, super bowl, and sex?


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (02/29/08 06:09 PM)
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#4655 - 02/29/08 09:42 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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If only this were taught in schools...

I enjoyed this article very much. It is one of those things you seem to have always agreed with, just never thought too deeply about. Very enlightening
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#4656 - 02/29/08 09:54 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Selezen]
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Our way is based on understanding what traits and qualities we might have as an individual, then finding a mate with similar qualities or whose grandparents have those same qualities, it doesn't matter what their skin color might be. It is intelligent design. The science of breeding children that will climb the social ranks and strata faster, and be better than his neighbor in mind and body.


You come off as slave trader or Nazis with that kind of thinking. Life isn’t A to B, there are unplanned reactions. Nothing in a life span can or will 100% to plan. It the ability to cope with unexpected, which makes our lives. I don’t see the point of wasting to looking for somebody with “similar qualities” that I may or may not ever physically and mentally attracted to. I rather spend my time living my life. If meet someone with the opposite qualities (which you never define but I think I know what you mean), but i am physically and mentally attracted to, so be it (which has happened to me). Humans are animals I agree, when we find someone we love or think we are, reasoning goes out the window a lot of the time. Just look at battered women, old and young rich people that marry gold diggers, look at Hollywood. Its life, which is the human animal’s world, the strongest opponent is one’s own kind.

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Why is it that it can be right and acceptable for a man to pick and choose a girl to "fall in love with" and have children with her based on the size of her breasts, and rump, the slender size of her waist, how her face looks...

But yet it is horrific and evil to choose a girl for her artistic and creative talents... her intellectual capacity... for her family and blood relations... with the intent of manufacturing a child who is wanted, created for a reason and purpose, to be better than the lame brains around him?


I think wanting to have sex, would be a big plus. People that have never been in love, whatever that maybe, are quick to say that. There is nothing wrong with men/women choosing intellectual mates, be it of opposite or same sex. “Beauty ( which can be the mind and/or physically) is in the eye of the beholder.” but I think looks do caught its just nature. As for people that have unplanned children, that’s just life.

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Wasn't it selective breeding that made us as a species who we are?


No I think its simply breeding and time, the divorce rate is close to 50%, i don't think realistically that the percentage has gone up i think it more in the past the wanted it, now they just do it. I really don’t think there was much of a choose back then, know one really knows what happened back then, it could just as likely males choose or took what they wanted.

As for the weak being wiped out, i really doubt that, just look a most people in world. To evolve and progress, well that’s simply a point of view.

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While others remain hopeless animals with a rudimentary base intelligence that boarders the intellect of apes.


Well have apes poised the air they breathe, the water they drink. Have they enslaved or try kill off a different species of ape. As for example of mangers, that quick funny, and not true. your using absolutes and there are none in life. Peoples name’s will die off its only a matter of time.

“We are the only organism that can take a religion and belief system of love and brotherhood (Christianity….”

Well hm I would say different, more like conformity. If you live as we do its ok, if different, well I shouldn't have to say it. People will interpret things how they choose, that’s just nature.

“One is much older and in tune with nature and natural selection, the other is political and racial.”

Well who’s nature? Well could it not be said to be political and racial is also part of nature. Man can be kind, merciful, and beautiful, but it can also be merciless and ugly.

“What would a Satanic World Order look like?”

Satansim changes from person to person, so it would simply a utter waste to try to please every Satanist.

“Does Satanism have an ultimate purpose, or is it just a mental toy to keep one's thinking process busy, a label we wear to make us different from "the herd?"”

Satanism has no purpose, its more what's individuals purpose.

“We're not truly organized... unless one considers internet churches and 'psychobabble' to be organization.”

Well LaVey understood this well, and talked about it, there is no such thing as organized Satanism, it comes down to individuals, and there chooses.

“Because weather we are satanists, christian, or whatever, we all are slaves to the 10 percenters that own 90 percent of the wealth.”

Well simplest answer would be that slavery starts and ends in the mind.


* yes i know but i got tired of using the quotes
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#4657 - 02/29/08 10:03 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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In a sense, you might be preaching to the quire here.

The higher evolved people are already breeding with their own kind, and usually the physically and mentally superior male, will have his pick of the best females from the population.

Political correctness is bullshit. A healthy and attractive female not only wants the “nice guy” that they keep yapping about, but a physically and mentally strong male as well. They are looking for the whole package, but it’s difficult to find. Some are physically strong, but mentally unstable. Others are mentally strong, and good providers financially, but physically let themselves go.

This is why in many cases, the rich yet physically weak and unattractive male, who gets the attractive female gets cheated on.

Take a look at any of the online dating sights, and you will see what I mean. Women want a nice guy, who is financially secure (meaning well off), physically attractive, faithful and attentive.

There is also the flip side of the coin. A male that fits all of the qualities that women are looking for, is also looking for specific qualities in women, which few can provide. They want physically attractive, young, healthy, and smart in many cases. Also, most males don’t want an overbearing personality, which many women seem so proud of to have.

The truly elite ones, find each other.

The ones that are left behind, and complain that they can’t find what they are looking for, do not possess most of the qualities of the elite. They might believe that they do, but do not.

Unfortunately, the useless garbage of humanity, has outbred the elite ones many times over. Much of this is due to the fact, that the powerful and strong, have allowed and encouraged the breeding of the useless. In my opinion, much of this was due to allowing religious freedom. This started a snow ball effect, which grew out of control, and is still growing.

The scum are encouraged the reproduce, and to keep their offspring. People in the third world might literally not have a pot to shit in, but they can fuck all day long, and quirt out more useless offspring. Then, those that have a fairly decent life, are made to feel guilty about it, and are even forced, through laws and taxes, to provide for the ones who cannot provide for themselves.

The elite cannot possibly hope to keep up the pace with the “down trodden,” who will in time, truly “inherit the earth,” so they can fuck it up totally with their delusions, and hypocrisy, as they kneel in the dirt, thanking some imagined being in the sky, for their miserable existence.
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#4658 - 02/29/08 10:14 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
In a sense, you might be preaching to the quire here.

The higher evolved people are already breeding with their own kind, and usually the physically and mentally superior male, will have his pick of the best females from the population.

Political correctness is bullshit. A healthy and attractive female not only wants the “nice guy” that they keep yapping about, but a physically and mentally strong male as well. They are looking for the whole package, but it’s difficult to find. Some are physically strong, but mentally unstable. Others are mentally strong, and good providers financially, but physically let themselves go.

This is why in many cases, the rich yet physically weak and unattractive male, who gets the attractive female gets cheated on.

Take a look at any of the online dating sights, and you will see what I mean. Women want a nice guy, who is financially secure (meaning well off), physically attractive, faithful and attentive.

There is also the flip side of the coin. A male that fits all of the qualities that women are looking for, is also looking for specific qualities in women, which few can provide. They want physically attractive, young, healthy, and smart in many cases. Also, most males don’t want an overbearing personality, which many women seem so proud of to have.

The truly elite ones, find each other.

The ones that are left behind, and complain that they can’t find what they are looking for, do not possess most of the qualities of the elite. They might believe that they do, but do not.

Unfortunately, the useless garbage of humanity, has outbred the elite ones many times over. Much of this is due to the fact, that the powerful and strong, have allowed and encouraged the breeding of the useless. In my opinion, much of this was due to allowing religious freedom. This started a snow ball effect, which grew out of control, and is still growing.

The scum are encouraged the reproduce, and to keep their offspring. People in the third world might literally not have a pot to shit in, but they can fuck all day long, and quirt out more useless offspring. Then, those that have a fairly decent life, are made to feel guilty about it, and are even forced, through laws and taxes, to provide for the ones who cannot provide for themselves.

The elite cannot possibly hope to keep up the pace with the “down trodden,” who will in time, truly “inherit the earth,” so they can fuck it up totally with their delusions, and hypocrisy, as they kneel in the dirt, thanking some imagined being in the sky, for their miserable existence.



I'm glad you actually understood what I was trying to share, unlike blackdragon; and i agree with you. Its good to see someone who recognizes their are douche bags, and then there are "ubermench."

I'm not arguing or questioning your post, but i am wondering if the "elite" - those 10percenters that own 90 percent of the wealth and power are breeding amung themselves to keep their wealth and power, and estates to themselves; and we assume they are; then this would put us Satanists in the 90 percent group that don't have shit, in the same group with the "herd" we so hate... it makes it feel like a futile rat race to nowhere, wouldn't you agree?

In this sense, what makes us better then the "herd" if we are both in the same shit hole and can't get out; and our religion as the second replyer points out condemns Satanists from organizing into a cohesive group to dig ourselves out of the hole, keeping us a weakened separated individuals? So is breaking out of their current world order impossible for a Satanist? Or could Satanists one day establish their own world order, and what would that look like?


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (02/29/08 10:55 PM)
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#4659 - 02/29/08 10:36 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: blackdragon31560]
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“One is much older and in tune with nature and natural selection, the other is political and racial.”

Well who’s nature? Well could it not be said to be political and racial is also part of nature. Man can be kind, merciful, and beautiful, but it can also be merciless and ugly.


"Who's nature? Thats a very good question; its my fault for not clarifying that. Nature as in Natural Law; natural law as in the laws of science, physics, thermodynamics, that governs our whole universe. Nature as in the cosmos, galaxies, stars, nebula, planets, rivers, trees, ants, birds, bees, jungles, rain, giraffes, donkeys, the ocean, the earth, the changing of the seasons... you know NATURE.


""Well could it not be said to be political and racial is also part of nature.""

So in this context - meaning as I here and now use the term "Nature" as i understand it and have explained it - where exactly do you see nature to be "political and racial?"

I mean some president in the sky or some heavenly democracy doesn't really vote to make it rain to feed plants; no Apollo or Sun God is elected to operate the Sun... i don't see very many "races" of trees or galaxies or baboons, and I've never seen a tree, galaxy or baboon act racial, or behave in a racial way, or refer to themselves as a race of something; well maybe - i've made red ants and black ants fight each other once - but these are different species. Sure theirs different breeds of dogs, cats, sheep, and cattle, but these are all domesticated animals - kinda like how we are domesticated apes... specially bred for specific functions, looks, qualities, and traits... you know, like eugenics?

If we can't find anything political and racial in or about nature; then we really can't say that "political and racial is a part of nature;" but you might see thing differently.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (02/29/08 10:46 PM)
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#4660 - 02/29/08 10:54 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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i am wondering if the "elite" - those 10percenters that own 90 percent of the wealth and power are breeding amung themselves to keep their wealth and power, and estates to themselves; and we assume they are; then this would put us Satanists in the 90 percent group that don't have shit, in the same group with the "herd" we so hate... it makes it feel like a futile rat race to nowhere, wouldn't you agree?


Well first, I don't agree that it's the top ten percent that are the truly elite. I think perhaps it's less then one percent. The rest of the nine plus percent with money, are merely rich sheep, but sheep just the same.
And yes, I agree with the rest of your statement. Although, it might not be a futile rat race for a very few, who succeed.

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In this sence, what makes us better then the "herd" if we are both in the same shit hole and can't get out;


Perhaps the little that makes us better, is that we know where we stand, and we don't fool ourselves into believing that we are as elite as we might claim.
Personally, I know realistically who I am, and where I am on the food chain. I bask in my succesess, and accept the blame for my short comings.

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In this sence, what makes us better then the "herd" if we are both in the same shit hole and can't get out; and our religion as the second replyer points out condemns Satanists from organizing into a cohesive group to dig ourselves out of the hole, keeping us a weakened separated individuals?


It's not an "us," really. I am sure that there are many who follow the "Satanic" philosophy who achieve what they aim for.

"Our" downfall, for the rest of us, is that WE CANNOT be a cohesive group. In a sense we are different from the "white" sheep, and our numbers are low compared to them, and too far spread out.
Furthermore, we have great difficulty in agreeing even to disagree, let alone to come together as a "group," and work to achieve a common goal. It's just the nature of the beast if you will.
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#4661 - 02/29/08 11:00 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
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i am wondering if the "elite" - those 10percenters that own 90 percent of the wealth and power are breeding amung themselves to keep their wealth and power, and estates to themselves; and we assume they are; then this would put us Satanists in the 90 percent group that don't have shit, in the same group with the "herd" we so hate... it makes it feel like a futile rat race to nowhere, wouldn't you agree?


Well first, I don't agree that it's the top ten percent that are the truly elite. I think perhaps it's less then one percent. The rest of the nine plus percent with money, are merely rich sheep, but sheep just the same.
And yes, I agree with the rest of your statement. Although, it might not be a futile rat race for a very few, who succeed.

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In this sence, what makes us better then the "herd" if we are both in the same shit hole and can't get out;


Perhaps the little that makes us better, is that we know where we stand, and we don't fool ourselves into believing that we are as elite as we might claim.
Personally, I know realistically who I am, and where I am on the food chain. I bask in my succesess, and accept the blame for my short comings.

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In this sence, what makes us better then the "herd" if we are both in the same shit hole and can't get out; and our religion as the second replyer points out condemns Satanists from organizing into a cohesive group to dig ourselves out of the hole, keeping us a weakened separated individuals?


It's not an "us," really. I am sure that there are many who follow the "Satanic" philosophy who achieve what they aim for.

"Our" downfall, for the rest of us, is that WE CANNOT be a cohesive group. In a sense we are different from the "white" sheep, and our numbers are low compared to them, and too far spread out.
Furthermore, we have great difficulty in agreeing even to disagree, let alone to come together as a "group," and work to achieve a common goal. It's just the nature of the beast if you will.


I have to agree with you. You're intelligent, and you don't lie to yourself. I think i now see, as you pointed out what difference we have from the herd in this shit hole. But sometimes one can't help but want to break free.
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#4662 - 02/29/08 11:09 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Unfortunately, the useless garbage of humanity, has outbred the elite ones many times over.


very well put..... but, elite do you simply mean monetarily, maybe socially, or every other typical sense of word. if you start cataloging things you will find that even in the elite and what poeple call the "herd" can be subdivided, again and again, and etc.

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
The higher evolved


well isn't that simply a point of view, just like the word elite. i think Its quite funny to me poeple using words words like, attractive, smart, superior, weak, all points of view really.

 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Nature as in Natural Law; natural law as in the laws of science, physics, thermodynamics, that governs our whole universe. Nature as in the cosmos, galaxies, stars, nebula, planets, rivers, trees, ants, birds, bees, jungles, rain, giraffes, donkeys, the ocean, the earth, the changing of the seasons... you know NATURE.


Well what you define as nature's law are simply theories and idea’s, which don’t govern anything. The simplest one would Gravity is defined by the gravitational THEORY. Which people have developed idea’s and given meaning to numbers and letters to calculate it, but still don't really know what it is.

 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
""Well could it not be said to be political and racial is also part of nature.""

So in this context - meaning as I here and now use the term "Nature" as i understand it and have explained it - where exactly do you see nature to be "political and racial?"


Politics is the process by which groups of people make decisions.

which I see this everywhere I look.

Race [noun] 3c: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits or a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics or a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock.

Hm I think I see this as well, it is human nature to classify things, maybe its just me.

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Well first, I don't agree that it's the top ten percent that are the truly elite. I think perhaps it's less then one percent. The rest of the nine plus percent with money, are merely rich sheep, but sheep just the same.


nicely put, i must say.
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#4663 - 02/29/08 11:37 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: blackdragon31560]
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 Originally Posted By: blackdragon31560
 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Unfortunately, the useless garbage of humanity, has outbred the elite ones many times over.


very well put..... but, elite do you simply mean monetarily, maybe socially, or every other typical sense of word. if you start cataloging things you will find that even in the elite and what poeple call the "herd" can be subdivided, again and again, and etc.

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
The higher evolved


well isn't that simply a point of view, just like the word elite. i think Its quite funny to me poeple using words words like, attractive, smart, superior, weak, all points of view really.

 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Nature as in Natural Law; natural law as in the laws of science, physics, thermodynamics, that governs our whole universe. Nature as in the cosmos, galaxies, stars, nebula, planets, rivers, trees, ants, birds, bees, jungles, rain, giraffes, donkeys, the ocean, the earth, the changing of the seasons... you know NATURE.


Well what you define as nature's law are simply theories and idea’s, which don’t govern anything. The simplest one would Gravity is defined by the gravitational THEORY. Which people have developed idea’s and given meaning to numbers and letters to calculate it, but still don't really know what it is.

 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
""Well could it not be said to be political and racial is also part of nature.""

So in this context - meaning as I here and now use the term "Nature" as i understand it and have explained it - where exactly do you see nature to be "political and racial?"


Politics is the process by which groups of people make decisions.

which I see this everywhere I look.

Race [noun] 3c: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits or a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics or a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock.

Hm I think I see this as well, it is human nature to classify things, maybe its just me.

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Well first, I don't agree that it's the top ten percent that are the truly elite. I think perhaps it's less then one percent. The rest of the nine plus percent with money, are merely rich sheep, but sheep just the same.


nicely put, i must say.


Blackdragon, it seems like were either not communicating with each other properly or we poorly understand each other?

You don't seem to be getting the picture i'm painting. Let me restate my very long post in a different way without using those relative words:

See there's these groups of families, it's a small group of them, and they own a lot of the world's banks, corporations, and they have a very big influence on many countries. These groups of families made something referred to as a "world order."

there are two kinds of world orders that i know of - the "L'ancient Regime" or "Old World Order," where things like the Church and King rule the lives of the common people from birth to death...

then a bunch of enlightened people got together and fought against the old world order and they made something refered to as a "New World Order," which is a system of politics where the church and kings have no power, where the common person has certain unalienable rights and liberties...

but unfortunately even thoe the name has changed the common person is still a serf or peasant (like me and you) under the power of the same groups of people that ruled them in the old world order.

So i observe that these ruling class groups of families stick to gether, are very organized, breed with each other to keep the wealth and power in their hands, and out of ours...

so I was asking can Satanism ever make its own "Satanic World Order" to liberate us, like those enlightened revolutionaries did during the American and French revolution, and like how Simon Bolivar did for south america... and Che for Cuba... you know... can we Satanists play the game with their rules and make ourselves into a true organized elite by doing what they do, or are we just happy sucking dick and getting fucked up the ass by them, because, i don't know about you, but i don't want my children to be born only to spend their whole lives working for "The Man" their whole lives only to retire and be thrown out like a used old shoe.

My question was, if their was such a possibility of creating our imaginary Satanic World Order, what would it look like, or be like?



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#4665 - 03/01/08 12:00 AM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: blackdragon31560]
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 Originally Posted By: blackdragon31560


Well what you define as nature's law are simply theories and idea’s, which don’t govern anything. The simplest one would Gravity is defined by the gravitational THEORY. Which people have developed idea’s and given meaning to numbers and letters to calculate it, but still don't really know what it is.

A far as gravity goes; i mean i could be a complete mental retar who drools, and doesn't understand numbers, and letters or how to plug them into equations to prove if gravity is real; but i know that if an anvil falls on my head - i'll die. LOL, whatever the fuck makes that anvil fall on my head is real to me and needs no word or theory; you know.
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#4667 - 03/01/08 12:21 AM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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oh no ^_^ i got your first post well, i'm simply saying its not possible it would be a utopia. Satanism changes from person to person, the only thing that remains are it root values. which can be summed up by the satanic statements, Rules, and sins. After that it evolves differently for everybody, some examples magic(k), religions freedom, marriage, etc.

those ideas are not defined by Satanism, but by individuals. i liked how you used Che Guevara, a brutal killer or a hero, all a matter of point of view.

but anyways the human animal is to complex to fully understand, and to make a utopia you would need to fully understand it.

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i know that if an anvil falls on my head - i'll die. LOL, whatever the fuck makes that anvil fall on my head is real to me and needs no word or theory; you know.


lol funny example, my point of natures laws, there theories like dark matter, how can someone, anyone say its a law without knowing what it is, then in turn, what makes it real.
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#4668 - 03/01/08 12:29 AM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: blackdragon31560]
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 Originally Posted By: blackdragon31560

but anyways the human animal is to complex to fully understand, and to make a utopia you would need to fully understand it.

This is a good point; which brings up the question: how does a Satanist whose religion preaches self worship, worship something he doesn't understand? Don't Christians call that "faith?"

I never like the theory of 'dark matter' either. I can understand your point here blacky.


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#4683 - 03/01/08 03:01 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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This should be common sense but its not.

People should pick and decide the kind of children they want before they pop one out with an idiot.

Why waste time with lesser individuals when you desire something greater than average.

Yes, sometimes love is love, but sometimes it doesn't work.

If you want to be part of the richer part of the population, stay in school, bust your ass, get scholarships (or work), and network.
Make contacts, do unpaid internships to get into a good company.
Or
Do something different, create something different, and push it.

The money can be made, but you have to have the drive and will to push off after it, and not care about the sacrifices that you will have to make.

Race doesn't matter because there are equal amounts of idiots in every color spectrum.

I don't think a true Satanic World Order would be pretty.
It would be petty, rageful, selfish, and the weaker ones would be killed off one way or another. The infighting to be considered among the best would be full of back stabbing and spying. You would definately have to be very skillful in neigogations, and backroom deals to succeed.

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#4690 - 03/01/08 04:16 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
This should be common sense but its not.

People should pick and decide the kind of children they want before they pop one out with an idiot.

Why waste time with lesser individuals when you desire something greater than average.

Yes, sometimes love is love, but sometimes it doesn't work.

If you want to be part of the richer part of the population, stay in school, bust your ass, get scholarships (or work), and network.
Make contacts, do unpaid internships to get into a good company.
Or
Do something different, create something different, and push it.

The money can be made, but you have to have the drive and will to push off after it, and not care about the sacrifices that you will have to make.

Race doesn't matter because there are equal amounts of idiots in every color spectrum.

I don't think a true Satanic World Order would be pretty.
It would be petty, rageful, selfish, and the weaker ones would be killed off one way or another. The infighting to be considered among the best would be full of back stabbing and spying. You would definately have to be very skillful in neigogations, and backroom deals to succeed.

Morgan

I loved your post. You're the first one to directly answer my questions. I agree with you on your view of a Satanic World Order. If one was ever set in motion, it would fall apart. I guess its up to each of us to bust our asses off to get ourselves out of this hell hole. Feels like a free for all.
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#4720 - 03/03/08 01:32 AM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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This should be common sense but its not.


The two cents you give is pretty common actually, and it's about all it's worth.




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People should pick and decide the kind of children they want before they pop one out with an idiot.


While nature (genetics) has a lot to do with a child's brain function, mating with “good genetic stock” is no certainty that a child will be intelligent, “productive” or otherwise be a good contribution to society. Since idiots and failures can breed geniuses your comment has little value insofar as “deciding” what kind of child you will have. Such advice is definitely common but of little value, as it does not even scratch the surface of why our nation and our world is in the state that it is in. You are looking at the last few dominoes laying flat. You must expand your consciousness to see who lined them up and who pushed them over.




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If you want to be part of the richer part of the population, stay in school, bust your ass, get scholarships (or work), and network.
Make contacts, do unpaid internships to get into a good company.
Or
Do something different, create something different, and push it.




Wrong. This is also a common idea regurgitated from some shabby stay in school television ad geared toward the flock. The vast majority of millionaires do not have a high school eduction or barely have any college experience. The education system is there to crank out middle class worker drones. It is designed to fill the bottom of the pyramid. I suggest reading The Millionaire Next Door. Many of the richest people in world, insofar as becoming so by way of an original idea, had their ideas rejected by conventional thinkers. By and large, school is there to teach people to think in a straight [conventional] line. I then suggest reading Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling. You might find it more convenient to simply watch this video of the author titled State Controlled Consciousness. You can find more of his videos on YouTube.


The brain is a quantum super “computer”. When allowed to run freely and toward things which grasp the interest of the individual (and not the self-imposed interests of the rulers of the collective), it can process vast amounts of information even at an extremely young age.

This is the end product of their system of public schooling, entertainment and the society they run (video).



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I don't think a true Satanic World Order would be pretty.
It would be petty, rageful, selfish, and the weaker ones would be killed off one way or another. The infighting to be considered among the best would be full of back stabbing and spying. You would definately have to be very skillful in neigogations, and backroom deals to succeed.


That is because what is professed as Satanism or “modern Satanism” (a term that is redundant since authentic Satanism is always modern), is closer to the teachings of Yahweh and the people who say they are his chosen, than Satan. Such so-called “Satanism” is self-sabotaging and self-defeating and therefore cannot possibly submit to the supreme law, which is that of the survival and freedom of the human animal. It is gutless, cowardly and utterly despicable. Since it is lawless, lacking loyalty for ones fellows and dishonorable it deserves nothing but the waste bin.


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#4723 - 03/03/08 03:31 AM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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I couldn't agree more, “survival and freedom of the human animal” utopia, to me at least. I do not think is something that can be truly be reached “Freedom”, Many people say the US is the land of the free, but forget the slavery we had/have. Now it is not of shackles and chains but of the mind. The filth that given to us as news, and as a education. The freedom we have in the world is paper thin, which can be taken away in a heart beat.

Why do so many Satanists view a "truly free" world as cruel, violent, and trustless. I don’t see a truly free world as harsh and cold as some people have posted. Maybe that is due to me being too optimistic or the self confidence i my fellow man. I agree it will be harsh, and at times cold, but not always. I do not trust and/or respect to many people, what ever trust/respect they have it was earned, same applies to me. I agree that weak will have no loyalty, are cowardly, and dishonorable. But i disagree with the fact that will be weeded out, simply because there are to many, they work and do the things no one else will. The loyalty i give anyone is not as master and slave but as an ally.

I agree with you Dev Samael Daval with you when it comes to the current education system. I have never seen the point in money, which can easily lose its value. I still use sadly, accept its current place in life. I truly think we where better off the gold, silver, etc. To me elitism, comes down to the power, someone has over there own path, not money.

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Race doesn't matter because there are equal amounts of idiots in every color spectrum.


By nature the human animal judges people, on how they look, talk, act, or believe. Including sadly skin color that is something I don’t see changing any time soon.

For the most part I do think we currently live as close to a satanic empire as we can.

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#4725 - 03/03/08 09:22 AM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: blackdragon31560]
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Its interesting to see all these differing opinions. something I expected.

I read a case study a while back of a group of psychologists of some sort following a prostitute's life, observed the children and grand children she had, over a long period of time. They all turned out not much different from her. I have to find my sources though. Of course many other factors come into play. Such as - this one anthropologists theorizes that inner cities have this sort of "group mind" if you will, composed of the mental and thought energy of its inhabitants, and this group mind or city influences, or gives birth to ''criminals'' and getto scum. "Getto scum" as in their "mentality."

Well we all have our view points. Its not really the opinion. It weather it functions and works in real life. One can ponder, argue, and philosophize, all one wants, but that doesn't get anyone anywhere - this, as i see it is what "LaVeyan" or Modern Satanism has unfortunately become. Its more of a couch potato religion now than a more practical - go out and do something one you know?


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#4734 - 03/03/08 07:02 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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"The two cents you give is pretty common actually, and it's about all it's worth."

My Sam, after all these years, You are being Petty, and nasty.

You missed the point as usual in regards to : People should pick and decide the kind of children they want before they pop one out with an idiot.
Thus, if you take the time to decide upon a child, you should make the effort to ensure that the child has the opportunies to learn, grow, and expand his mind and physical abilities.
A lot of problems that occur can be traced to poor parenting, and unwanted children who suffer, and should not have been born.

Its not a government conspiricy, its simple neglect.

As usual, you dont read everything or understand everything. You take bits and pieces and leave out stuff.
In regards to your words regarding improving yourself.
You either stay in school and learn or create something different and push it.
If you do nothing, then not only do you lose, everyone loses.
When you fail to do something to better yourself, you remain static. Once you are static, you are a drone.

"authentic Satanism is always modern"
No, it is not, Satanism has a past, it has variables, it has a history. It did not only start with Lavey. You have a very narrow view on things, and you are not the end all be all of knowledge on the subject Satanism. Besides, I thought you were finished recruiting and posting on this board, or are you looking for another satanic house maid?

"“Satanism” is self-sabotaging and self-defeating and therefore cannot possibly submit to the supreme law, which is that of the survival and freedom of the human animal. It is gutless, cowardly and utterly despicable. Since it is lawless, lacking loyalty for ones fellows and dishonorable it deserves nothing but the waste bin."
If this is how you feel, why are you here?
Oh, wait, I forgot, you are looking for people to join your version of the satanic empire.
A lot of Satanist here feel differently than you. Just because no one likes you, doesn't mean that we dislike each other.

I really feel bad for you, You used to have such promise.
take care,
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#4735 - 03/03/08 09:11 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Morgan]
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I would have to agree with you mostly Morgan. reproductively capable people need to actually think, or be consciously aware of what kind of new people they are making...

But then there is always the hidden recessive genes that causes congenital mishaps, like dwarfism, cleft mouth, down syndrome... I'm not telling people not to fall in love or have sex, its just that people should be SMART about it and check their blood and ancestry for any degeneracy to avoid this. Theres nothing wrong with children like this at all, but it would save mothers a lot of heart ache.

As far as school goes I would side with Dev Sammy.

If you go to an average school, learn average things, think like average people, hang out with average people, and the average things they do, you will end up average... meaning: you'll be working 9-5 until your 60, then retire and be forgotten in an old folks home somewhere.

If you don't do average things, don't learn average things, don't think average things, learn what millionaires do, what they think, and follow them as examples, you just might end up being not so average.
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#4738 - 03/03/08 09:41 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
If this is how you feel, why are you here?
Oh, wait, I forgot, you are looking for people to join your version of the satanic empire.
A lot of Satanist here feel differently than you. Just because no one likes you, doesn't mean that we dislike each other.

I really feel bad for you, You used to have such promise.
take care,
Morg


sharp reply, like i said i would kind of agree with Sam, but that only goes simply for the weak (including weak satanists).

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I really didn't want comment on it, since i think most people here would simply and easily see the fault of this kind thinking. That has nothing to do with Satanism as whole, that comes down to the individuals. i would think you of people would see that. Satanism doesn't need submit to the "supreme law" people do and are living to survive and enjoy what life they have. i feel like i'm wasting my time on this reply to such an easy or common sense reply.

nice way of putting poeple's thinking and actions LUCIFERIFIC.

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#7137 - 04/03/08 04:02 PM Re: Satanic World Order [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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First let me say that I wholeheartedly agree with Luciferific and Asmedious. The human race is in danger of being genetically diluted due to our current social structure and belief systems. Eugenics in any form is considered distasteful and wrong and society helps the weak and downtrodden even to it's own detriment. However, Like Morgan, I too will try and answer your question.

A Satanic world would, to many, appear cold and cruel. It would mirror the natural world nicely. The strong and the lucky would survive and the weak would be weeded out. Wars would probably be common but keep in mind that most of the great achievements of mankind have come about as a result of war. There would be one language as it makes the most sense. Ideas that proved detrimental to the success of mankind as a species would be suppressed ruthlessly (ie Christianity). Social Darwinism would rule. In many ways I think that it would be similar to Hitler's third reich, minus unfounded racial biases. These events would continue until the best and strongest possible society was brought about with the best human genetic stock available.

Consider this, we can genetically engineer and breed other animals to suit our purposes and we see nothing wrong with it. It is only due to religious and "moral" concerns that we do not do so with the human animal. We could be better as a species but we actively choose not to. This may mean that our mind, the thing that has brought us to the height of our success as a species, might lead us by way of our emotions to our eventual downfall. If the ideals and ideas of Satanism are indeed the best and fittest available then they will undoubtedly spread and lead to the perfection of mankind.
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