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#46532 - 01/11/11 02:18 PM Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan
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From The Church of Satan Website:

"Magister Diabolus Rex has resigned his title and membership in the Church of Satan effective January 1 due to the incompatibility of his personal belief in a literally existing “Prince of Darkness” and the fundamental Atheism of the philosophy of Anton Szandor LaVey. We wish him well on his new path."

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#46533 - 01/11/11 02:34 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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That was the dude with all the piercings and horn implants, right?

Edit: yep.

I wonder if he always believed in a "literally existing 'Prince of Darkness'" and they just found out about it or if this was a recently reached conclusion.

Shouldn't be very long before he has an organization of his own - assuming he doesn't already.



Edited by 6Satan6Archist6 (01/11/11 02:35 PM)
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#46536 - 01/11/11 03:04 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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You know, 6, I haven't read enough about his beliefs to make any kind of assessment as to whether he's always been theistic, or this is some kind of recent epiphany. But one would assume that if he made it to Magister within the Church of Satan (which categorically denies any anthropomorphic manifestations of "Satan"), he was at least keeping mum about it, or couching his words in metaphor so that there would always be that shadow of a doubt.

Still, he was (and is) a hell of an artist and sculptor, had a following amongst the rank and file of the Church of Satan. How many will follow him through the door is anybody's guess.
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#46539 - 01/11/11 03:51 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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wow. What an interesting looking dude, sure would not like to walk into him down an alley.

Well I believe he voiced his views on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5x0993GBMQ

it has 9 parts

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#46540 - 01/11/11 04:11 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mocking bird]
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It reminds me a bit of "the drummer left the band because of musical differences." Mostly there is more to it.

In the wind it's whispered he might not be the only Magister to leave. Who knows, the vampires might try it on their own.

If, there won't be much left from that carcass called CoS.

D.

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#46544 - 01/11/11 04:34 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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Yes, I am also wondering about Magister Nemo.

I think someone here claimed that Nemo had made some fundamental changes to his philosophy or worldview and apparently there was some sort of evidence on a Nemo's blog?

And he hasn't been near LTTD for some time from what I can see.

Is Nemo out of the CoS picture as well now?

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#46546 - 01/11/11 04:39 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ]
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No idea but the (internet) rumor mill said Nemo and Rex would leave. If, it would imply ToV and CoS part ways.

I'm curious because I hear Ventrue also flirts with the vampires. It'd be amusing should he quit too because he controls the whole online CoS package.

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#46553 - 01/11/11 05:10 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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Actually there was this old (relative to the internet) Russian E-zine called "Contra Dei"... I don't think it was ever published in English, but they had pieces from all the anti-cosmic crowd and the Res Satanae folks from what I could gather. Diabolus Rex did an interview with them a while back, and had this to say (roughly translated via Google):

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I have my own view on the embodiment of the will of the Prince of Darkness as a living "entity", but I leave [exclude?] my comments for those who understand them and consider them as being part of the doctrine of CoS (Church of Satan)

[..]

A true Satanist knows that Evil is an abstraction used to intimidate the masses, but he also knows that Satan is actually a real essence, which exists in time and space. Satan can violate the laws of the universe by changing their substance, with the Dark Forces amaterially.



Here is the original for those interested:

Contra Dei #1, Diabolus Rex

I don't know about the person himself, and his paintings look like Giger fanwanking (though technically skilled), but I always thought his sculptures were amazing.

But this whole fiasco does raise some issues. Where's Gilmore's usual high-and-mighty banter about Satan-ists being stupid devil-worshiping dolts? Selective attention much? And not to mention questions about the group's inner coherency.


Edited by The Zebu (01/11/11 05:20 PM)
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#46557 - 01/11/11 05:31 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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I am all for body mods and I have to admit I also say it is a fool who doesn't look everywhere for a message. Even the village idiot can have a lesson if you take the time to listen and you can understand it.

I have come to the realization I have never listened to this mans message or even looked at his artwork as the carrot implants (horns?) make me think him silly and pointless.

I say different but I at times still judge by the container. This is something to think about.

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#46561 - 01/11/11 05:40 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ta2zz]
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Well, let me the first to say, as a real guy in the real world, he is more than welcome here.

If anybody has contact with him, tell him Fist sends his regards. First round is on me....
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#46566 - 01/11/11 06:39 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Fist]
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I read about this first last night on Diabolus Rex's facebook page. I though about inviting him to posting here at the 600 Club, that would be cool! I didn't know he was a theist. In his interviews now looking back it is obvious that he was a theist. Namely in his interviews about his Ragnarok Engine, "a literal demon forge," and I'm paraphrasing. Nevertheless, I still respect the man - he is smart as Hell. Conducting rituals carried out on the quantum level. Yeah, that's way over my head haha.
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#46570 - 01/11/11 07:24 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Back in the 1980s Rex Church was an Adept II° of the Temple of Set for awhile, but I got the impression that he was emotionally more drawn to Satanic themes & imagery. Hey, sometimes I miss the "old spooky days" myself. He departed the Temple politely as I recall.

While a Setian he was certainly noted for his talented artwork. He had shaved his head & grown a goatee a la ASLV, but no other body-mods back then.
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#46599 - 01/12/11 12:59 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Well, let me the first to say, as a real guy in the real world, he is more than welcome here.

Hmm then we could tell him how foolish his body mods are to a street fighter perhaps?

I agree he is welcomed to try to make the cut here. As stated before silly me judging someone by their look or container. I need work on this.

Real people are always so much more substantial than all these fake cybers... ;\)

Honestly I cannot see a theist putting up with the ignorance displayed here at times.

Satan's advocate

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#46605 - 01/12/11 02:23 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ta2zz]
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I have to agree a lot with you. But on the other hand he also I'm sure could have a lot of insight and good conversation pieces on here. Hey, whatever flavor people want. I'm sure a lot of people here cold gain a lot of insight from him. Especially if you want to have horns of your own!
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#46627 - 01/12/11 10:14 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Yes, I am also wondering about Magister Nemo.

I think someone here claimed that Nemo had made some fundamental changes to his philosophy or worldview and apparently there was some sort of evidence on a Nemo's blog?

And he hasn't been near LTTD for some time from what I can see.

Is Nemo out of the COS picture as well now?


Right.

Here`s the passage from his blog (which I stumbled upon at the Undercroft) that I posted once in the "Views on Magic" thread:

"All ancient magic relies upon spirit entities in one manner or another. Whether you call them devils, demons, spirits, ghosts, gods, goddesses is not relevant. If you wish to assume that you are actually the sole source of the power and you are merely using imaginary "entities" as an excuse to get past your own self doubts that is fine except that it may not work. It usually doesn't."

Though I have no clear opinion on these things, but to me it doesnt seem like it would fit under Gilmores current paradigm, even metaphorically speaking.
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#46629 - 01/12/11 10:20 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I'm curious because I hear Ventrue also flirts with the vampires.


His name should tell you enough.

JK
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#46641 - 01/12/11 03:15 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jason King]
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He's about the most disliked man there but as always, even with their whole satanic pretense, most there have learned to shut up, bow and occasionally roll over when expected.

Criticism is only given when hidden in the shadows.

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#46647 - 01/12/11 04:11 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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How many will follow him through the door is anybody's guess.


Not that it matters. CoS ceased to exist in 1975 anyway. ;\)

I think it would probably be for the best if CoS and ToV severed their ties to each other. At the very least it would give them (CoS) more credibility. I.E. not being linked to a ridiculous organization like ToV.
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#46648 - 01/12/11 04:25 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I don't think it's going to happen.

CoS meant something while Lavey was heading it, but after him, it fell apart. Of course none will admit that.

Still, Gilmore became emperor of a glass that is half empty. The ToV, whether you agree or not, are clever guys. They sell a great product. Of course it is completely at odds with what the CoS stands for, but when they should be forced out, or leave, all that is left for Gilmore is an empty paper bag. Most of those remaining are excellent at spit-shining their laminated card but, sadly, that's about it.

Whether he likes it or not, the ToV got Gilmore by the balls. He can't but smile each time he feels them squeeze.

D.

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#46651 - 01/12/11 05:11 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Jason King
 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I'm curious because I hear Ventrue also flirts with the vampires.


His name should tell you enough.

JK

Yes, it really should. I think he goes by Frost now.
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#46654 - 01/12/11 05:29 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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No, Boyd Rice now runs the CoS:

http://www.boydrice.com/news.html

Jeeze, let's get the story strait.

Tazz, not to break your balls or hijack this thread, but you don't see any boxers, wrestlers, or MMA fighters sporting facial piercings. Tattoos yes - piercings, no. Just sayin....
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#46670 - 01/12/11 09:20 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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I was a CoS Member untl 2009, and I remain on friendly terms with some of it's membership.

Gilmore and Nadramia are in the ToV. Now that they've bought a new mansion in New York, I don't see them cutting ties anytime soon. Someone has to pay the bills.

As far as I can tell, Blanche Barton is ToV as well, along with the majority of the Magistry.

Rex Church's theism has been a well known fact for quite some time.

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#46684 - 01/13/11 05:12 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Veles]
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I once thought seriously about joining the C/S, but the more I learn, the more glad I am that I never did.

Gilmore a part of the ToV as well? How does that fit into his militant Atheism or vica versa? Oh well. I guess a proper answer to that question is hard to get, maybe he "verified" (as the ToV like to put it) the existence of the "Undead Gods" too. \:\/

Nevertheless it makes me curious as to what Anton LaVey thought about the ToV, seeing that a lot of these people obviously was more or less close to him.
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#46712 - 01/13/11 11:52 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Wolflust]
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 Originally Posted By: Wolflust

Nevertheless it makes me curious as to what Anton LaVey thought about the ToV, seeing that a lot of these people obviously was more or less close to him.


Be careful of what you decide is OBVIOUS. LaVey did NOT like orders. The Church of Satan was THE Church of Satan, not The Vampyre Order of The Church of Satan.

Of course, various chapels and grottoes might adopt a name for their individual group, from Melek Taus to Typhon to Carpathian, etc., but these were not individual and autonomous groupings. They were simply "branch offices," much like the Bank of Boston might have the Brookline or Revere branch of the BANK OF BOSTON.

While LaVey was large and in charge, I know for a fact that he denied several people the sanction to form an order similar in name or concerning werewolves. Is the Church of Satan locked at the hip with the Temple of Vampire? To this day, there is no corollary link, although the melding of the two entities seems to be fairly evident for all to see.
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#46719 - 01/13/11 12:59 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Lesson learnt, Jake, I should have used a better wording.

I don`t see the compatability between the two organisations from the outside, and I guess the only way to get an "answer" is to jump head first into it all and sign up for memberships.

But as this is something I don`t want to do, I`m more fond of having fun on my own and let what other people say and do be their own business. ;\)
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#46813 - 01/14/11 08:03 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Yes, it really should. I think he goes by Frost now.



Yea, he does go by Frost now. And yes, they're all silly fictional vampire names. \:\) I think at least in spirit ToV is completely at odds with current CoS completely, and honestly it is at odds with me personally. ToV has some strange belief in elder gods or whatever which by definition puts them out of the Gilmore fold, but honestly... I'll launch a new idea... I think the modern CoS is just a cover organization for the dark and nasty shit that goes down in ToV. ToV is where evil is, and CoS is just the whore on the street. They say one thing when acting as CoS and in those books, and ToV is where they really are loyal. Just an idea... but it seems to be my impression at this time.

I was a die-hard LaVeyan Satanist for a long time, and my theism developed out of my experience. I figure Rex is in the similar situation, and likewise has had the same problem as I. Its very difficult to find a place to hang your hat. There is no room for spirituality in the CoS. But, surprisingly I don't think EVERYONE needs that sort of fulfillment and they're not worse for it in my eye. I believe it's perfectly acceptable to be an Atheist and Satanist so long as you have not been sold through your own meanderings that there is something more.

There are a lot of groups that believe many things that I do, but also put a lot of garbage on top as well. So logically I've decided to not have any group. For people like me this forum is a valuable resource even if I am not always seeing eye to eye with the atheists. I considered joining CoS at some point out of a sort of spiritual tribute to LaVey, but it certainly never was out of respect of this "new guard" or anything. I've just decided I've been solo for sixteen years plus why do I need someone else again? Yep, I'm a Satanist... I don't need to join anyone or anything, or even explain myself... though I do occasionally. \:\)

Strange as it seems for me it's not Satanism without Satan. Are there "symbolic" Christians? We can all wear funny hats and act like we are, and we can draw lines in the sand and make our assertion that Atheism=Satanism or whatever, but lets face it that's all highly suspect. LaVey himself wasn't this hard line for sure, and just by reading you notice that he hints quite a bit beyond the words. Logically, a high priest has limitations of the statements he can make publicly and not seem like a loon. Admitting there is a Satan during satanic ritual abuse trials probably doesn't help defuse the bomb as all the right wing bible -thumpers would be dying to get in on that party. This obviously would have been a major concern for LaVey at the time of his death.

LaVey certainly wouldn't have CoS suckling off the ToV teat however and it certainly insults the life work of a valuable contributor to so many of us.


Edited by Mindmaster (01/14/11 08:06 PM)

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#46834 - 01/15/11 10:09 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mindmaster]
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Are there “symbolic” Christians? No. But is Christianity really the standard to which you want to adhere? Christians by definition cannot be “symbolic”, because their focus is on Christ. Satanists, on the other hand, are not typically focused on Satan. They are focused on themselves. They admire and emulate Satan for what he represents, the freedom to forge one’s own path, but they do not need a literal Satan to be their buddy and give them gold stars for kissing his ass.

What specifically in your experience caused you to jump from atheistic Satanist to theistic Satanist? Why is belief in a literal Satan important to you?
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#46841 - 01/15/11 12:58 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mindmaster]
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Just out of curiosity what was it that changed your mind to turn towards theism?

I'm actually honestly curious and don't ask this as a leading question at all.

O.

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#46848 - 01/15/11 02:47 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Opacus]
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 Originally Posted By: Opacus
Just out of curiosity what was it that changed your mind to turn towards theism?

I'm actually honestly curious and don't ask this as a leading question at all.

O.


I look at my time as an Atheist in high regard really, and I understand it was a logical progression of my development. I agree that if you cannot see, feel, or otherwise prove to yourself something you shouldn't accept it at all. For me, this took a long period of time because I'd mentally reject my observations if they didn't fit my model. Yep, sometimes I'm pretty thick-headed just like anyone else. Anyway, I became intrigued by ritual magic and began trying a few things to dabble. I started having experiences that my 'model' could not accept or define. Mind you, I've never taken drugs or anything or they'd be perfectly explainable! I have an aversion to chemicals of all kinds, and am sensitive to nearly anything but caffeine. I have extreme allergies and many things make me sick for absolutely no reason. I nearly live like a holy man.. If they were hardcore headbanging holy men.. \:D

Anyway, that's when I started looking outside of that box to see what else was hiding under the rock. That's sort of where I am today and why... Not so much a decision but a natural evolution. Whether the spirits/demons/old gods/balls of energy are independent entities or something else is irrelevant as this is how they behave. My journals do not play out that these events were psychodramas anymore either. My LaVey-based model could no longer explain my experiences thus it was summarily shit-canned.

It worked for me for six years though, so hey it's good.. at least if you don't find yourself with a penchant for ancient grimoires and start redefining your personal reality. This course isn't for everyone for sure. \:\)


Edited by Mindmaster (01/15/11 02:47 PM)

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#46864 - 01/15/11 08:26 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mindmaster]
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 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
My LaVey-based model could no longer explain my experiences thus it was summarily shit-canned.


Just a quick observation. It's a long road from acknowledging the results of ritual magic (a technology that it is not yet understood) to ascribing those results to a literal walking around deity.

I won't fault you if it works for you, just don't think of others as not quite as evolved because they haven't made the same leaps that you've made. Also, LaVey didn't do ritual magic solely for the 'psychodrama' in my understanding. He performed rituals because he expected results (he dedicated a lot of time to magic in his books). I think you've confused Gilmore with LaVey.
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#46866 - 01/15/11 08:33 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mindmaster]
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Thanks for the reply.

I do a lot of rituals myself as I find them enthralling.

Well, I don't do as many as I used to, I don't seem to need to, but you know what I mean.

I have had extremely strange experiences in the chamber, and some startling results.

But I still hold that it is just misunderstood/not yet found mind technology that does it.

O.


Edited by Opacus (01/15/11 08:34 PM)
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#46874 - 01/16/11 04:04 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord

I won't fault you if it works for you, just don't think of others as not quite as evolved because they haven't made the same leaps that you've made.


Nope, that's not what I think about it. Really, I just think different people walk different paths. My path is leading me in certain directions, and that's really all I've meant. You have to understand that I don't consider those phases better or worse just different. I was perfectly happy with my situation at all points in time with the exception of the time where I was trapped in a Catholic hell. I'm merely following my course to it's conclusion, as I have already made the decision to follow it.

Actual ritual magic requires beliefs that LaVey Satanists aren't allowed to have. \:\) There is nothing above or below you, and nothing particularly divine about yourself you are just a man or woman. At this juncture you cannot bite and the hermetic apple before you, and thus deny yourself access. If there is nothing outside of yourself the logically there is no reason to go messing about looking for it. You can't be your own god either really as you don't believe in one. (in a real sense)

I'm not going to lead you in a circle, but you see a bit of the dilemma I had faced. There are many questions, and no real hard answers just a few that you can live with and a few you cannot. I realized that ultimately the final stage of apotheosis is denied to a Atheist after some careful thought. You do not have to believe in Satan as a deity, but you have to believe in yourself as one and to become one you must know what that means. To know what that really is you have to experience some sort of direct contact with something like in kind. Similar to how you would become a professional in a sport if you so desired you would have to spend a lot of time practicing and getting your chops to even be making a serious effort of it. All of my efforts are in this direction, and not generally towards any silly mundane concern.

Enough for now... I'm sure this is enough to provide a few moments of deep thought. \:\)

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#46939 - 01/17/11 12:54 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mindmaster]
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 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster

Actual ritual magic requires beliefs that LaVey Satanists aren't allowed to have. \:\)


No it doesn't. Ritual magic can be treated as a scientific experiment. One can follow the steps and observe the results. There is no need for belief. The objective was either achieved or it was not was not achieved. Belief comes into play when someone achieves a result and then tries to ascribe a meaning to that result. Some will make great leaps and cast reason aside, others will continue to experiment.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
There is nothing above or below you, and nothing particularly divine about yourself you are just a man or woman.


Perhaps just a man or woman who could be in a wider reality than the five senses will convey under normal circumstances. Nothing above and nothing below completely ignores the possibility of something beside.


 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
At this juncture you cannot bite and the hermetic apple before you, and thus deny yourself access. If there is nothing outside of yourself the logically there is no reason to go messing about looking for it. You can't be your own god either really as you don't believe in one. (in a real sense)


You've packaged Satanism incorrectly. Just because one doesn't have 'belief' doesn't mean he has no interest in pursuing that which seems mysterious. This is where LaVey's words "Satanism demands study" would be particularly applicable. Satanism is constant doubt+study+application that originates from within.


 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
There are many questions, and no real hard answers just a few that you can live with and a few you cannot.


Which would be precisely why, in my opinion, assigning the unknown to some faceless deity 'out there' in order to put it in a neat little box seems the easy way out in most cases (I'd exclude the ToS from criticism here because their method is wholly supportive of the individual path and that individual's role in it, with or without regard to 'Set').

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
To know what that really is you have to experience some sort of direct contact with something like in kind. Similar to how you would become a professional in a sport if you so desired you would have to spend a lot of time practicing and getting your chops to even be making a serious effort of it. All of my efforts are in this direction, and not generally towards any silly mundane concern.


So you've been walking with the gods? Care to share an experience or two? I'm not ridiculing the idea, I'm just interested in how it works.

Also, regarding mundane concerns, I'd suggest not straying too far away from them. The cold, hard reality of the objective world can be rather demanding should some of those concerns lie awaiting attention.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
Enough for now... I'm sure this is enough to provide a few moments of deep thought. \:\)


Rather pretentious of you, but ok.
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#46959 - 01/17/11 07:39 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Fnord]
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I was very very suprised he left to be 100% honest with everyone, theres somthing about the way that he was in interviews etc that gave the impression that the guy was a complete lifer with the CoS.
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#46972 - 01/17/11 10:52 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: BaronVonShankly]
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Very good insight and I have to agree. I guess that just goes to show you that anything can change in the blink of an eye. Hell, for all we know this site could be completely changed tomorrow. I sure hope not though. I watched some of his videos and I believe you are right.
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#46990 - 01/18/11 04:24 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: BaronVonShankly]
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From what I could gather in interviews, his parents actually introduced him to the CoS and he had participated since a very young age. So it seems he's been involved in Satanism for almost his whole life.
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#47041 - 01/19/11 11:20 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Jason King
 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I'm curious because I hear Ventrue also flirts with the vampires.
His name should tell you enough.

indeed. his first name was Lestat!
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#47112 - 01/20/11 11:37 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: nocTifer]
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Oh dear..

Temple Of The Vampire

[...]

WTF is up with them? I'll be straight up I was a member for a while and I bought a bunch of the books and got to the 2nd level then wrestled a lot with what other people were going on about beyond that point. Up to that point I was in agreement with what they were saying, by and large. Fine. I thought it was interesting.

But I was fortunate that..
I had seen this all before I found the TOV. I knew people in real life who introduced me to reiki. I took their word on it found similarity with TOV and people into reiki within that organization so my questions on that was answered. I really never sat well with the darkness and vampiricness but felt it was better than fluffy buddhist flowery people.

I'll be blunt:

On my facebook there is a community of over 150 people interested in reiki located near Montreal alone . And yet the TOV claim to be the only legitimate form of this practice. Clearly, they are not. And yes I know of folks as 'powerful' as they are. And they're not TOV members.

I met a girl and moved in with her (still am) and had to face the fact that I could never sell the vampire thing to anyone else. Its not interesting to them. I found Satanism when I was pretty young like around the age of 14 and I saw familiar faces in the TOV. It was also a lot cheaper initially to be apart of and was hoping I could meet like minded people. I was the only Montreal member that I knew of. But had I not been familiar with the CoS I would not have joined. For me it was who I thought I knew or at least knew of not what it was, and the person/people I met in my real physical life that inspired my interest to pursue what this reiki stuff was all about is what lead me on that path to the TOV.

Obviously, none of the reiki people I am familiar with are interested in the TOV. None of the TOV's books are in the library nor the bookstores here. they're nothing if they can't even mass publish a paperback.

PS:
I wish I had come here a long time ago. You're much more open and friendly than the other assholes. There is an article about Laibach on the CoS page now and I think they should be smacked hard for that. They're an insult to what Laibach are about. Its towards the bottom of the theory+practice page its an article by Moynihan about NSK. The 150+ reiki Montreal people is a number at least 4 times the size of the TOV.


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#47149 - 01/21/11 04:35 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Just a few things concerning your post.

I don't think the Vampire Temple is concerned about "selling" the "Vampiric" thing to anyone. I'd say find people who are already interested in such things. Their whole thing is how the majority of people naturally do not wish to pursue the idea of immortality with any seriousness. The people who do have this desire are "of the Blood" (metaphorically speaking of course).

The idea of working with a 'Lifeforce' (chi, ki, prana, Akasha, etc) is one working hypothesis the Temple displays as part of their Nightside aspect as you probably know? This is not something people are supposed to "believe in." If you read their motto and the whole premise of the Temple, it's to NOT take belief in anything, and to test things for yourself and validate claims. This is also not something the Temple claims they are the "only ones" who work with such 'life force.'

Their theories and reason for doing so is much different than reiki from my limited understanding of it. No?

I guess I just don't see where your problem is? Nothing of what I read that you were concerned with makes much relevant sense to me.
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#47268 - 01/23/11 06:01 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: JWG]
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As I said I was confidently able to ascribe to the 2nd Degree. Which means.. I effectively testified that Chi, Prana, Ki, etc.. Lifeforce (what they call it), is REAL, that I practice and live life under that reality. They are clear enough on it being 'Truth & Metaphor'. But the assumption I had and my understanding was that a member's goal was to move from practicing their ritual and teachings on good faith first.. as in trust in them enough to give it a go so to speak.. then reaching an understanding from your experience as to its reality. What I was saying earlier is that I think from 3rd Degree and above is where it gets muddy and at that point the metaphor is inseparable from what they think they believe.

They lost me there.

I was later able to verify more of their claims away from them. Nemo once wrote something of OOBE (Out Of Body Experience) and he said that you don't have to feel like you're leaving your body to go OOBE and when he said that I was able to understand better. It's your conscious or imagination I suppose that you can begin to verity going somewhere. Hard to explain. Anyway... Though from the beginning and from their literature this is not clear. I think they influence too much of what their members think of what they're doing. They're ascribing a lot of language to it that is both unnecessary and frankly confusing.

I'm glad I am not reading anything they are saying about it. It's like painting something a color you really dont like. Even if the thing itself is ok I don't understand the delivery of the information. I am better left to explore the topic on my own.

I might buy their other books sometime but I don't think they give good value for your dollar. their dissemination of information is a crock of shit. thats really what is wrong. also, their description and metaphors suck. and thats really all they are . they're just another 'pitch'.



This image expresses my feelings on them


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#48307 - 02/07/11 01:49 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/2011/02/nyarlathotep-diabolus-rex/comment-page-1/
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#48318 - 02/07/11 06:07 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Shaytan]
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If there was the slightest doubt that Satanism is a singularly Atheistic religion and philosophy, enough material could be found in The Satanic Bible. Add to that the chapter "What, the devil?" in The Satanic Scriptures by Magus Peter H Gilmore and the matter moves beyond discussion. The fact that the Church of Satan has publicly turfed out one of it's members for being a devil worshipper is applauded by myself to the Nth degree and then some. The message has been sent out. Satanists are atheists. Want to 'Commune' with 'Dark Gods' kids? Go and join Louis Martel aka Magister Nemo at the Vampire Temple!

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#48319 - 02/07/11 06:24 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: AgainstTheDark]
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I'm glad to see Magus Diabolus Rex be true to his own Will and strike it out on his own. I've admired his artwork for many years and would be interested in knowing what the man thinks. He believes in a literal Prince of Darkness, I would like to know what led him to that conclusion. I was also happy to see the other interviews and writings available on the Cult of Cthulhu website. Thanks to OP for providing the link!
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#48320 - 02/07/11 06:41 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: AgainstTheDark]
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 Originally Posted By: AgainstTheDark
The fact that the Church Of Satan has publicly turfed out one of it's members for being a devil worshipper is applauded by myself to the Nth degree and then some.

*sigh*

"On this date I have formally resigned my position and membership in the Church of Satan. Due to steadily escalating incompatibilities between my perspectives regarding the nature and philosophy of Black Magick, with critical note of my knowledge and conviction of the existence of the preternatural Being defined as the Prince of Darkness, and the historical position of the Church of Satan with regard to this matter, I resign my position as Magister Templi and Priest of Mendes."

He resigned. The COS is quick to oust anything they perceive as a threat to themselves by pointing the finger saying our way is the only way, they are clearly not one of us they are false. Not much different than many a christian.

I see Derrick seems more successful with his own web club than he did here or with his game. If any of you see "I am the way" aka VS tell him ta2zz says hello... ;\) I guess calling on the power of the hulk can work for some.

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#48322 - 02/07/11 07:04 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Shaytan]
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 Originally Posted By: Shaytan
http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/2011/02/nyarlathotep-diabolus-rex/comment-page-1/

Thanks for the link but did you have any thoughts on the matter? Anything to say other than to cut and paste an address to another website?

I try reading what he says and take it seriously but then I see his picture and I'm sorry. While I'm not one to judge someone much by the container I do judge by how they choose to decorate it.

He goes on to say:
I am, and have been, in contact with preternatural beings of various frequencies and manifestations since my earliest beginnings in the Black Arts.

A new power has arisen. A non terrestrial emanation and complex vibration of the deepest frequency, the Chaos frequency. Chaos is the Word of the Aeon and I Diabolus Rex am it’s Magus and Engineer.


The first part they have drugs for the second part being the engineer of chaos well come now really? This is why you see articles like this where they are easily swallowed and written for the specific audience. Engineered chaos probably floats with Derricks cultists.

Chaos happens, once it has been planned it is no longer chaotic.

I am the way, I am the engineer of chaos. Me well I am but a man smarter than some and clearly not as delusional as most.

Enjoy

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#48324 - 02/07/11 07:14 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: AgainstTheDark]
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 Quote:
Go and join Louis Martel aka Magister Nemo at the Vampire Temple!


Just correcting you...it's Lucas Martel.

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#48326 - 02/07/11 07:19 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mahakala]
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I would say I respect his decision to leave. I have nothing against the C/S personally, but it was his choice and makes sense if it no longer fit his paradigm.
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#48335 - 02/07/11 10:44 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ta2zz]
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Planned chaos is still chaos. It's just not any more chaotic than any other event in the universe (such as me typing up this little response while my chicken curry simmers on the stovetop).

It's always a nice plus to be more conscious of chaos, but neglect of immediately-perceptible reality leaves you doing little more than grasping at phantasms.

As Rex's little manifesto tells, it seems like he's come down with a textbook case of Magus-itis. Placing too much faith in "frequencies" and "emanations", and a bloated ego to boot. Yeah, sure, a CoS luminary like him should be able to round up a good following, but probably not anything extraordinarily different from every other Tom, Dick, and Harry who suddenly realized they're the herald of a new age in human consciousness.

It's a little disheartening that Lovecraftian occultists almost always miss the point of old Howie's stories entirely... You are not special. You are an insignificant molecule of dust, a minor aberration of biology whose entire perception of reality is only a single droplet in the incomprehensible sea of chaos that constitutes cosmic infinity. Cthulhu will eat you, regardless of whether you join his fan club or not (though, admittedly, it is a pretty happenin' joint).

[end poetical wax]

To all would-be maguses... PLEASE! No new Aeons! It's a total bitch keeping track of them all.


Edited by The Zebu (02/07/11 10:45 PM)
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#48362 - 02/08/11 07:02 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: Shaytan
http://www.cultofcthulhu.net/2011/02/nyarlathotep-diabolus-rex/comment-page-1/

Thanks for the link but did you have any thoughts on the matter? Anything to say other than to cut and paste an address to another website?

I try reading what he says and take it seriously but then I see his picture and I'm sorry. While I'm not one to judge someone much by the container I do judge by how they choose to decorate it.

He goes on to say:
I am, and have been, in contact with preternatural beings of various frequencies and manifestations since my earliest beginnings in the Black Arts.

A new power has arisen. A non terrestrial emanation and complex vibration of the deepest frequency, the Chaos frequency. Chaos is the Word of the Aeon and I Diabolus Rex am it’s Magus and Engineer.


The first part they have drugs for the second part being the engineer of chaos well come now really? This is why you see articles like this where they are easily swallowed and written for the specific audience. Engineered chaos probably floats with Derricks cultists.

Chaos happens, once it has been planned it is no longer chaotic.

I am the way, I am the engineer of chaos. Me well I am but a man smarter than some and clearly not as delusional as most.

Enjoy

~T~


I have profound respect for Diabolus Rex. I like his works and his appearance.
Metaphorically I could say he is an Exarch of Hell. However he is a theistic Satanist, I'm not.
I would like to know much about his thought on this "Prince of Darkness".

Sorry for my English if there are any faults.

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#48368 - 02/08/11 09:45 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Shaytan]
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I think he´s a pretty intelligent man and his magical experiments, specially The Ragnarok Engine, are pretty interesting and probably way ahead the magical practice of the average satanist. So I may be interested on anything he has to say about magic, but if he expects people to join him on his new "TOS with a lil bit of Chaos Magick and a pinch of August Derleth" thing he´s really out of his mind. I ask myself is if he has also left the TOV.
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#48369 - 02/08/11 10:31 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Gueheriet]
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I'd be curious to know what his thought process was for this as well.

The end of that sounded really bad. Magus disease indeed.

Truthfully, it sounds like he lost his marbles.

O.

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#48376 - 02/08/11 12:08 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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I do agree with most you say but this.

 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Planned chaos is still chaos. It's just not any more chaotic than any other event in the universe (such as me typing up this little response while my chicken curry simmers on the stovetop).

Once something is planned chaos is lost. Planning something is in effect giving structure and meaning to something that is without structure. Therefore while you could plan to cause something to effect chaos on others the initial push to put things in motion is not chaotic at all.

Typing while simmering chicken is chaotic in what way?

Now were you to be typing this response and not paying attention as your kitchen caught fire due to a sudden surge in the flame or some equally random event that would involve the chaos factor.

Maybe we define this differently I consider the opposite of luck to be firmly planted in this chaos factor of the universe.

Simply put shit happens...
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#48381 - 02/08/11 01:34 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ta2zz]
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I admit I am not too impressed by the looks of Rex but since he's an "artist", he can get away with it. I'm sure if he was a gynecologist, he'd suffer more consequences. But hey, it's his thing, so I hardly can be bothered.

About his new and self-developed thought-process, I can't but agree that he is mad indeed. He should realize that any real satanist only uses thought-processes developed by others and affirmed by those who have the right credentials. The moment we start making up our own mind and define our own reality, we should be mocked and ridiculed indeed. That surely isn't satanic at all.

D.

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#48393 - 02/08/11 02:56 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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Honestly..who cares?

What has rex church ever done or said that is in any way deep or meaningful? Just another guy worshipping the dark lord..throw him in the bin with the rest.

If it wasn't for his extreme appearance, nobody would give a fuck.
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#48402 - 02/08/11 04:22 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Honestly..who cares?

What has rex church ever done or said that is in any way deep or meaningful? Just another guy worshipping the dark lord..throw him in the bin with the rest.

If it wasn't for his extreme appearance, nobody would give a fuck.


There is a topic, there are posts, so I think some individuals are interested.
Nothing personal but I think you have no need to complain about this.
I appreciate your others posts in the forum but you're very solipsistic here.


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#48406 - 02/08/11 04:34 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Shaytan]
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Well, overlooking the fact that you misused the word solipsistic, you can take you hall monitor bullshit and stuff it up your ass. What you appreciate or don't means less than nothing to me.

With that said, I think my point is perfectly reasonable. That many choose to metaphorically suck the mans dick says nothing of his actual accomplishments or philosophy, which seem vacuous at best.

I ask again, what has the man done to set him apart besides his freakish appearance?




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#48412 - 02/08/11 05:28 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Chaos stuff


I might be using the word differently-- I define chaos as the primal nature of objective reality. To me, "order" is only a minor subset of chaos that refers to sensory perception and physical laws that allow the human organism to interact it its immediate surroundings. Therefore I consider everything to be inherently chaotic, although we as humans are most aware of this chaos when we are confronted with something that violates our perception of order (ie, my kitchen catching fire).

As far as Rex goes, I don't think he's "mad" per se, just deluded. Lots of people in the occult start out with a good head on their shoulders until they fall into some rut of unreason, where their logical faculties are handicapped, and the only thing running is their imagination.


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#48438 - 02/09/11 02:09 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread

I ask again, what has the man done to set him apart besides his freakish appearance?






His artworks and his utilisation of Aesthetic Terrorism.

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#48511 - 02/09/11 03:41 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Shaytan]
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This is all new to me, Diabolus Rex is new to me. The cult of cthulu isn't new to me, but that's likely due to being introduced to them in their beginnings, possibly, by fellow chaos magicians a few years ago.

So the fact there's this discussion about him validates Diabolus to a degree. His ideas are quite intriguing to me, which is a serious complement. His look to me... well when someone goes to such lengths to make themselves different my kneejerk reaction is to interpret terror at being the same. But it is non the less a serious commitment, burning the bridge of social acceptability, and so the body mods commands respect on that level. I do wonder how he support himself, the look lends itself to performance.

As he presents himself in his interviews, I'm struck by the high tone of his voice, and the calm and passive nature his vocal styling projects to my hearing, at odds with his physical presentation.

His thoughts are well developed. I'm not allergic to his sense of the devil having reality without. He's right that magical traditions almost always indulge the idea of spiritual powers without, the the atheistic model is new. My background in chaos magic, playing with thought forms, has me wonder if all spirits believed to be without might not instead be thought forms. But I am adamant about not knowing, I do not know.

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#48517 - 02/09/11 07:22 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: myk5]
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I'm hoping that this is the snowball that starts the avalanche in the CoS with High Priest Gilmore finally removing the leech on his arse that is The Vampire Temple headed by shyster Louis Martel and associates. For the first time in a number of years, the CoS has publicly removed a Devil Worshipper from their midst and in doing so has sent a message to the deluded bible-thumping nutters that believe in external deities that such beliefs are simply not acceptable in the modern Church of Satan. I congratulate him on this move, and wish him the best.
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#48578 - 02/10/11 04:54 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: AgainstTheDark]
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 Originally Posted By: AgainstTheDark
For the first time in a number of years, the CoS has publicly removed a Devil Worshipper from their midst and in doing so has sent a message to the deluded bible-thumping nutters that believe in external deities that such beliefs are simply not acceptable in the modern Church Of Satan.


I assume you imply Rex. May I point out he removed himself and that the CoS had little to do with that. Gilmore won't remove Nemo. Who knows, maybe our black pope has his cut in the ToV business. (It's what some birdies sing.) It's not as if he's going to get rich from selling those red cards, so some additional income might be very welcome.

D.


Edited by Diavolo (02/10/11 04:57 PM)

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#48603 - 02/10/11 10:53 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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I'm psychic and my assumption was always "Anton LaVey offered Lifetime membership. Now how do we get these peoples' money again? Oops. See > TOV"

And I was ok with that. In my mind. I accepted that ^ as a possible truth. I don't actually have a problem with it.

My message to the CoS would be: Anton LaVey was a wonderful author. Those interested in his books would enjoy reading them and I would recommend them. Every new age has padlocks to it that you have shoot at first. Anton LaVey is one of those padlocks. He is a person of his time, something he would never have denied. Our time on this earth is different we have to find our own truths and upraise new liberties so to speak.

^k that came out funny I just came back from a bunch of hours playing Dead Space 2 shooting thigns

It's Gilmore's prerogative if he wants to change things or do things differently. If I was leader of the CoS my first order of business would be to place the membership card online for free to download so that any potential member could print it out. A member of the CoS being an individualist should be a mystery. Not some record in some filing cabinet. If truly anyone could be a card carrying member that would be really exciting to me.

I have better and cooler things to do with $200!

Like... buying pretty dollies and outfits. oh my


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#48611 - 02/11/11 12:18 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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This is simply a case of thinking out loud but it seems Rex wanted to play Magus and Gilmore didn't want to let him do it in his Playground, so he has left.
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#48614 - 02/11/11 12:26 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I think making it an open-download thing would only cheapen it. It's bad enough that they simply admit any guy willing to shell out $200 bucks.

Part of the value of joining a group is the feeling of accomplishment that you've EARNED your place. That's why they have that preliminary survey in their application, to make it seem as if they are being attentively tested and scrutinized. Granted, it's not much, but it's enough to give CoS members kick to wave around their red cards with pride.

They concede that you don't have to be a card-carrying church member to be a "real Satanist". So unless you're deriving some sort of strong material benefit from the organization, there's no sense in joining.

Satanism, in my opinion, is best approached as a self-initiatory path. A Satanist should have the discipline to see where they are and where they're headed in life. Any group work undertaken is generally peripheral and pragmatic.
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#48753 - 02/12/11 03:06 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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I suspect the high membership fee lowers the quality of applicants. How many worthy applicants willing to spend $200 for membership could there be compared to those who deem it more rational to forgo joining?

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#48766 - 02/12/11 09:56 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I suspect the high membership fee lowers the quality of applicants.


I disagree, actually. It will probably lower the quantity of applicants, but necessarily the quality. To be completely honest, $200 for a lifetime membership in ANY organization is relatively cheap.

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#48793 - 02/13/11 05:53 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: StarlessAeon]
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True, $200 for a lifetime membership is cheap for the most part but it depends on what the member gets out of it. I know some lifetime members who paid the fee and got the membership card and nothing else. They also told me they couldn't reach anyone in the organization. So I am wondering if the members are active and meet on a physical plane or if it is just a cyber thing, or what. I looked at the site a while back and the membership application said something to the effect that payment does not guarantee the member will be contacted by other members or invited to any events. That didn't sound like such a hot deal to me. Maybe there are some members here who can enlighten me. Please forgive me if I am way off base here. I admit my ignorance regarding this an I am genuinely interested in hearing the facts.
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#48794 - 02/13/11 06:00 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: LucyFur]
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I kind of have a little bit of an interest in joining the Church of Satan. About a year ago I absolutely did not want to join. I think now though that it would be a neat thing to be an active member, getting titles for your success in everyday life. That, and plus using the Churc of Satan as a vehicle for my own "projects" and endeavors that maybe other like minded Satanists would appreciate.
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#48797 - 02/13/11 07:30 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Lamar]
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That seems to be what members get out of it:

A banner for their facebook/myspace/twitter for the band or artproject or whatever, for networking.

And thats about it.
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#48798 - 02/13/11 07:46 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I'm not aware of how the current operation of The Church is handling members who wish to meet other members and become more active. When I joined (and this was in the early 70s) you had the option upon becoming an active member of the Church to request that you be assigned an Agent. Mine was Rev. Pierre Raguet. I was also put into touch with a loose group of Satanists in Vallejo, CA that eventually became the core group for my Melek Taus Chapel. Once I became an Agent, I was offered new Satanists to take under my wing...

Like I said, I don't know how they handle things these days, but I have heard nothing of Agents... or referrals. I personally think we went from "the ruling class" to "the merchant class," and once they've got your $$$, they have little use for you unless it's shopping in The Emporium.
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#48799 - 02/13/11 08:11 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
I'm not aware of how the current operation of The Church is handling members who wish to meet other members and become more active. When I joined (and this was in the early 70s) you had the option upon becoming an active member of the Church to request that you be assigned an Agent. Mine was Rev. Pierre Raguet. I was also put into touch with a loose group of Satanists in Vallejo, CA that eventually became the core group for my Melek Taus Chapel. Once I became an Agent, I was offered new Satanists to take under my wing...

Like I said, I don't know how they handle things these days, but I have heard nothing of Agents... or referrals. I personally think we went from "the ruling class" to "the merchant class," and once they've got your $$$, they have little use for you unless it's shopping in The Emporium.


I met the agent in Montreal and was really unimpressed. Very antisocial. I wanted to talk to him but he like... hid from me. Nice guy. I met him very impromptu in college. He came up to me said he was a member and then he disappeared.


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#48803 - 02/13/11 10:38 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: StarlessAeon]
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$200 for lifetime membership is.... It just is.

I do know that, for example black hat seo websites, if you have a forum that is open to the public you tend to attract lower quality participation than if you bill monthly. People expect value for their money and so take a forum that must be paid for much more seriously; the difference in quality of participation is very substantial. The catch is that you have to have a great deal of useful content at the very start or folks simply will demand refunds and no one will use the forum!

Money is a kind of magic in and of itself, in my opinion. When you buy something there is a profound expectation of reward. This is how an expensive book you buy can have less information and a lesser quality of information than a free website, but having bought it you could get more value from the book anyway.

I know little about CoS membership, but I do like the idea of getting titles for real world accomplishments. Real world accomplishment is where it's at for me.

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#48806 - 02/13/11 10:59 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: myk5]
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 Originally Posted By: myk5
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I know little about COS membership, but I do like the idea of getting titles for real world accomplishments. Real world accomplishment is where it's at for me.


The idea of titles within the Church of Satan being linked to what you do on the outside world is not that you get titles based on what you do on the outside world, rather that your degree within the Church of Satan is an appropriate reflection of what you have actually done with your life on the outside world. For instance, in some organization, you might have a title GRAND MASTER OR THIS LIFE AND EXARCH OF THE INFERNAL PLANE, which is all well and good, until it is realized that you're a rag picker and live in a cardboard box under the 6th Street bridge. There's an illogical disconnect that brings credibility into question. This is what the idea is behind the degree reflecting one's accomplishments inside the Church, certainly, but outside as well. Ideally a Priest would not be that rag picker. A Magister would be in a masterful position in his secular life as well as within the Church.

You don't just "get elevated titles." Tying a title to some kind of entitlement based on time in service or time served as a lower degreed member is simply ridiculous and negates any true basis in merit.
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#48814 - 02/14/11 12:09 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Hmmm, If your daddy is rich enough that gives you status in the real world, merit be damned. The modest shop owner that 5 years earlier had been dressed in rags living in cardboard box on the street - impresses me much more.
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#48815 - 02/14/11 12:24 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: myk5]
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I personally, could care less about titles. One thing people tend to ignore though - membership in the C/S is completely optional. No one has to belong to an organization to be a Satanist. The C/S states that plain and simple, affiliation is never required by anyone.

Any Satanic or Occult group that insists "you must join them to practice their beliefs" is no better than the Catholic Church. There are groups like this out there unfortunately.

Nothing wrong with working with others once in awhile if that's your fancy. But I think Satanism should be a solitary practice for the most part.

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#48824 - 02/14/11 12:53 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: StarlessAeon]
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My magical practice has always been a solitary one for want of partners I could respect. In my experience people I could meet in meat that had an interest in the occult were either entirely too 'fluffy' for me or simply mentally unstable. My bad luck perhaps.

I do recognize the power of a group, because when people organize around an idea stuff like peer pressure and competitiveness can inspire greater efforts. So it's just an idea, the utility of reward real world accomplishment in such a hypothetical group.

Another idea is a 12 step group where participants acknowledge they have failed to be successes in life, apologize to everyone they have hurt by not being fabulously wealthy and support each other to allow the higher power of greed to show them the way....

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#48832 - 02/14/11 08:13 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: myk5]
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thiestic or not i have to say if he started a order i would join it lol
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#48833 - 02/14/11 08:23 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: azarikazlevi]
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Really? You had to say that? A pointless one liner as your first post with terrible grammar to boot. You are not off to a good start.
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#48838 - 02/14/11 10:42 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
[quote=myk5]$
.....There's an illogical disconnect that brings credibility into question. This is what the idea is behind the degree reflecting one's accomplishments inside the Church, certainly, but outside as well. Ideally a Priest would not be that rag picker. A Magister would be in a masterful position in his secular life as well as within the Church.

You don't just "get elevated titles." Tying a title to some kind of entitlement based on time in service or time served as a lower degreed member is simply ridiculous and negates any true basis in merit.


After my experience in another order I couldn't agree with you more. Many members have status within the order, yet they have their hands out at the end of the month requesting help with the rent and the light bill. I'm talking about douche-bag leeches who are either addicted to drugs or have some kind of personality disorder that prevents them from finding or keeping employment, necessitating mooching arrangements with a 'brother' or 'sister' in the order. Don't get me wrong - they ALWAYS have cigarettes and weed - but no cash, no credit, no wheels, no gas.

As much as I like group participation, I got fed up with the judgmental, pompous arrogance of those of a higher degree who considered themselves superior because they were allegedly seasoned 'magickians' authorized to perform a fucking Gnostic Mass once a month or just because they had more time in. It was the lower degree people like me who were called upon to support and transport these losers because they were too important to be bothered with mundane things like feeding themselves and paying the bills. I used to find myself wondering why, if this so-called magickian is so talented, he can't conjure up a job?

So there is something to say for the credibility of people who's successes within the order carry over to their mundane life and visa versa. Anything less is hypocrisy.
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#48839 - 02/14/11 11:04 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: StarlessAeon]
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 Originally Posted By: StarlessAeon

Any Satanic or Occult group that insists "you must join them to practice their beliefs" is no better than the Catholic Church. There are groups like this out there unfortunately.

Nothing wrong with working with others once in awhile if that's your fancy. But I think Satanism should be a solitary practice for the most part.


I agree. That was another reason I left the order I mentioned earlier. Not only do they claim to be the only legitimate church of Thelema, but they have Christianized their non-profit organization in order to be accepted by the mainstream sheeple. On top of that, they really only do one ritual which they jealously and litigiously guard like it is the most sacred ritual on the face of the earth, threatening to sue anyone who would conduct said ritual in the public without authorization.

I hung around as long as I did because I enjoy doing group ritual. But the banality of the only ritual they did, coupled with hypocrisy of the increasing number of restrictions they tried to bind me up with, made me realize they were the antithesis of Thelema!

Since I broke away from that pseudo Catholic cult I have been in no hurry to try another, but I certainly can respect the CoS hands off approach and their honesty about it.

I still like working with a group on occasion, and have since formed my own composed of Satanists, Thelemites, Gnostics, Luciferians and other tolerant, respectful people who can pull their own weight. And since the Temple is in my house, it's invitation only - douchebags need not apply!
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#48877 - 02/15/11 05:12 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
I suspect the high membership fee lowers the quality of applicants. How many worthy applicants willing to spend $200 for membership could there be compared to those who deem it more rational to forgo joining?


I wouldn't really call it a "high" membership fee. It isn't unusual I spend more on a night out.

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#48880 - 02/15/11 05:22 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Diavolo]
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For $200 I'd at least expect a goatskin-leather Satanic Bible, plus a silver-plated Baphomet medallion. >.>

There are plenty of other cults that are willing to give you more bang for your buck, commercially speaking.


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#48881 - 02/15/11 05:24 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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Of course but it isn't as if one has to win the lottery to be able to join the CoS. I don't consider it worth the money but that's mainly because the CoS has nothing to offer I want, but if the 200$ was the sole reason, I'd surely would be doing something wrong in life.

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#49014 - 02/17/11 02:26 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: StarlessAeon]
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 Originally Posted By: myk5
Hmmm, If your daddy is rich enough that gives you status in the real world, merit be damned. The modest shop owner that 5 years earlier had been dressed in rags living in cardboard box on the street - impresses me much more.


The operative phrase there is "5 years earlier." For every guy on the street corner who makes something of himself, there are 999 or more that will still be squeegee professionals in 5 years' time. It's hard to tell in advance what one will make of himself, which is why judging people by their current achievements is a pretty good gauge. Almost everyone aspires to greatness; few reach it.

That being said, I took "accomplishments" and "done with your life" to be the key terms in Jake's statement about secular status. That's entirely about "merit, not inherit." I doubt Veruca Salt would qualify.


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#49019 - 02/17/11 06:04 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I may be wrong but I see your approach as very materialistic, there are people who don´t desire to be uber wealthy and just want to live their lifes by their own rules. If your goal in life is to live on a farm,to live away from civilization or to be a hermit surrounded by books and you reach it then, at least in my book, you´ve done the most satanic thing you can do, you´ve designed your own life only by your own ruless and you have accomplished it.
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#49049 - 02/17/11 03:08 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Gueheriet]
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 Originally Posted By: Gueheriet
If your goal in life is to live on a farm,to live away from civilization or to be a hermit surrounded by books and you reach it then, at least in my book, you´ve done the most satanic thing you can do, you´ve designed your own life only by your own rules and you have accomplished it.


I couldn't agree more and this is a point (in my experience) that gets lost on some folks who are new to studying Satanism. People get clouded with Hollywood's portrayal of Satan as an inherently wealthy, materialist character vs. one of actual depth and merit. I think it would be interesting to see the devil portrayed as a Unabomber type; disheveled in appearance yet obsessively satisfied in his solitary, fringe lifestyle (minus the silly letter-bombs). It goes back to the core of LaVey's "credibility over consumerism" theory. Don't get me wrong; I love making money as much as the next lil’ devil, but mainly because money affords me the ability to pursue more education, experience and goals.
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#49050 - 02/17/11 03:50 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Mitch Koch]
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 Originally Posted By: Mitch Koch
People get clouded with Hollywood's portrayal of Satan as an inherently wealthy, materialist character vs. one of actual depth and merit.


People get clouded with Hollywood's portrayal of Satan as an inherently wealthy (wealth isn't an inherent trait),

materialist character (some define the mastery of the earth as the mastery of the human condition, inclusive of money),

VS. (are these things necessarily mutually exclusive?)

one of actual depth and merit. (Rich folk can be meritorious and deep thinkers too, can they not?)

Not really taking issue with you Sir, just questioning your wording.

The Devil in Exorcist3 is a homeless bum in a mental ward... sometimes Hollywood does portray the devil at the other end of the spectrum.

What I like to see is the devil from the middle class. The original Halloween did this, as did The Bad Seed and The Good Son and lots of others.
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#49060 - 02/17/11 06:22 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
 Originally Posted By: Mitch Koch
People get clouded with


People get clouded with Hollywood's portrayal of Satan as an inherently wealthy (wealth isn't an inherent trait),

materialist character (some define the mastery of the earth as the mastery of the human condition, inclusive of money),

VS. (are these things necessarily mutually exclusive?)

one of actual depth and merit. (Rich folk can be meritorious and deep thinkers too, can they not?)




I agree - very crappy wording indeed. And no, I wasn't saying that I personally believe those traits are mutually exclusive. My eyes are crossed from several new processes we started at work today, so I apologize for my cloudiness.
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#49295 - 02/21/11 02:33 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: LucyFur]
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On top of that, they really only do one ritual which they jealously and litigiously guard like it is the most sacred ritual on the face of the earth, threatening to sue anyone who would conduct said ritual in the public without authorization.


I once belonged to a group like this as well (not Thelema though). They never threatened to sue anyone but insisted only "active members" could practice the ritual. So many groups claim they are "the one true way". In my opinion, that is a trick they use to keep people brainwashed and obedient to their group.

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#49339 - 02/22/11 12:07 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: StarlessAeon]
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This is kind of a holdover from the ancient way of magic... the idea of having a secretive "mystery cult" whose rites can only be practiced by initiates and never revealed to the profane.

Of course, it's quite a silly notion to uphold when we live in the "information age", when nearly every occult "secret" is readily available via Google search, and in PDF format.

It's fine to have rituals unique to your own group, but it's quite pretentious to assume that nobody else has the "right" to use them, especially if you're a recently-formed McOrder using the same derivative junk as every other wizard on the block.

I remember coming across a collection of "Order of Phosphorus" grade material online that carried a threat to any who would betray the "mysteries" contained to anyone outside the Order... and of course, said secrets simply turned out to be a bunch of material either pilfered from older authors or cherry-picked from the public domain. Way to go.

Oh yeah, and POST 666! (puts on party hat)


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#49343 - 02/22/11 12:38 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
This is kind of a holdover from the ancient way of magic... the idea of having a secretive "mystery cult" whose rites can only be practiced by initiates and never revealed to the profane.

Of course, it's quite a silly notion to uphold when we live in the "information age", when nearly every occult "secret" is readily available via Google search, and in PDF format.

It's fine to have rituals unique to your own group, but it's quite pretentious to assume that nobody else has the "right" to use them, especially if you're a recently-formed McOrder using the same derivative junk as every other wizard on the block.

I remember coming across a collection of "Order of Phosphorus" grade material online that carried a threat to any who would betray the "mysteries" contained to anyone outside the Order... and of course, said secrets simply turned out to be a bunch of material either pilfered from older authors or cherry-picked from the public domain. Way to go.

Oh yeah, and POST 666! (puts on party hat)


I agree. If anything, the people running the show are simply getting an ego trip out of installing fear into members who aren't obedient. That is typical RHP mind control. Reminds me of Heaven and Hell. ;\)

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#49349 - 02/22/11 01:42 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: StarlessAeon]
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 Originally Posted By: StarlessAeon

I once belonged to a group like this as well (not Thelema though). They never threatened to sue anyone but insisted only "active members" could practice the ritual. So many groups claim they are "the one true way". In my opinion, that is a trick they use to keep people brainwashed and obedient to their group.


Yes, and it makes them no different than any other church or cult. Whenever a fraternity becomes a 'religion', then claims to be the only representative of and owner of that 'religion' or philosophy, it's time to cut your loses and move on.

It wasn't until after I extricated myself from the cult that I realized it was a cult. When many of my so-called friends stopped answering their phones and replying to my emails I got a major clue.

It wasn't a total loss though. Once the word got out that I left, I started getting emails and calls from EX members! LOL!
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#49367 - 02/22/11 09:00 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: LucyFur]
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It wasn't until after I extricated myself from the cult that I realized it was a cult.


Similar situation here. Sometimes, it takes a little thinking "outside of the box". ;\)


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#52988 - 04/15/11 09:46 AM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999

Still, he was (and is) a hell of an artist and sculptor,

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While i was still in college and still affiliated with the CoS i took 3 friends to NY city for his two day art expo. What he does with steel most can't accomplish with a pencil. One of the best art experiances of my life. We arrived thinking he was going to be an overwhelming force, intimadating and snobbish...but it was quite the opposite. An extremely genuine, polite and greatful artist. He was easily one of the least jaded of most i've met. Most artist are rather tough to get their attention during a showing, but Rex was two feet from you if/when you had a question. The 3 stories of studio had small floors so it was an extremely intimate setting.

We were so impressed that on our way back to campus in Boston we were looking at the flyer and noticed it was a two day event, not known prior. Needless to say we ended up driving back down the next morning, sunday, with 8 more friends. I still have 3 of his signed books and a sword i purchased that i begged him to sign aswell...he was wary on signing it until i displayed my CoS affiliate card.


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#78111 - 07/15/13 08:40 PM Re: Magister Diabolus Rex Leaves the Church of Satan [Re: Jake999]
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From what I understand the CoS is atheistic in its approach. This is why I'm not a member. Though I do respect a lot of what Anton LaVey believed. Rex has also legally added the name NYARLATHOTEP to his name. a study of Lovecraft will show that this is the Cthulhu equivalent of adding SATAN to your name. As Nyarlathotep is the crawling chaos,and bearer of the book of pacts. In Lovecrafts demonology. I have to respect someone that goes that far to identify himself with his ideas. Also Rex believes his orders main work isn't on this mortal plane! Quite an unusual idea indeed!
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