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#4678 - 03/01/08 08:11 AM H. P. Lovecraft
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im reading a book at the moment by H. P lovecraft called at the mountains of maddness, has anyone read the book and what were your views on it? ;\) I will give my views once I have finished reading it myself lol
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#4680 - 03/01/08 11:40 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: silligum_diaboli]
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I read this, along with most of the reast of Lovecraft's stuff as a kid, about ten years ago. In truth I don't think it has ever quite left me alone. Despite his occasionally laborious prose style, Lovecraft's stories have a habit of burrowing deep into your subconscious only to pop up again when you least expect it. Whenever the night is clear enough to get a good view of the stars, I sometimes look up and am overcome with a profound sense of vertigo. I guess I have Lovecraft to blame for that.

In my opinion, At The Mountains of Madness is one of his more accomplished stories, especially in terms of narrative.

Apparently, Guillermo del Toro (Hellboy, Pan's Labyrinth) is working on a movie adaptation, which could be interesting if it ever sees the light of day.

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#6983 - 04/01/08 09:54 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Stag]
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I totally agree with stag. Lovecraft is one of the few fiction writers i still love. His sense of detail is spot on especially in stories like At the Mountains of Madness, The Outsider and The Tomb. I read most if not all of his works as a teen as well and to this day I will pick up a book and reread a story every now and then.
Not such a fan of his attempts at science fiction though such as In the Walls of Eryx but altogether you can't go wrong with Lovecraft
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#8657 - 05/14/08 05:39 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: reverand]
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I am partial to his cult classics...

Lovecraft had originally written the pronunciation of Cthulhu
as: "Khlûl'hloo"

According to Lovecraft,
this is merely the closest that the human vocal chords
can come to reproducing the syllables of an alien language.




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#8870 - 05/21/08 06:24 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: -iblis-]
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I have an off-topic question in connection with Lovecraft: LaVey (or was it actually Aquino) used Lovecraft in two of the rituals in The Satanic Rituals. The rituals include the "unknown language" of the ancient ones (or what ever it is called). Does anyone know if they made it up by themselves, borrowed it from somewhere or wrote it with the help on some dictionary inspirered by Lovecraft mythos?

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#8888 - 05/22/08 06:37 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Amina]
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A good guess would be that he just borrowed it, much like the rest of the book and ideas. He might have added some of his own musings but mostly he just wrote what others had already written, sometimes not even bothering to re-word it but rather copying word for word.
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#8890 - 05/22/08 09:02 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
A good guess would be that he just borrowed it


Yes, that is my guess too, like the stuff from H. G. Wells in "Das Tierdrama", but I would like to know the source. I wrote a text about his use of the enochian keys yesrs ago with the help of a book on enochian including an enochian dictionary (LaVey using Crowleys translation etc.), but I have not seen something similar based on Lovecraft. Maybe someone made it as a part of yet another Necronomicon?

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#9253 - 05/30/08 10:08 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Amina]
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 Originally Posted By: Amina
I have an off-topic question in connection with Lovecraft: LaVey (or was it actually Aquino) used Lovecraft in two of the rituals in The Satanic Rituals. The rituals include the "unknown language" of the ancient ones (or what ever it is called). Does anyone know if they made it up by themselves, borrowed it from somewhere or wrote it with the help on some dictionary inspirered by Lovecraft mythos?

- Amina


i downloaded a pdf file of a nearly 1000 page book by aquino with lovecraftian rituals...
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#10229 - 07/15/08 11:42 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Rune Darksinger]
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 Originally Posted By: Rune Darksinger

i downloaded a pdf file of a nearly 1000 page book by aquino with lovecraftian rituals...


For as far as I know the lovecraftian rituals are pure fiction.
They were invented by H.P Lovecraft himself to create a whole new universe for his books. Other writers used the same universe to make their stories.
So everything wich is even linked with the necronomicon and lovecraftian rituals is just garbage. Probably it would shock some people who believed in the elder god Chtulhu and Nyarlothep but they are as fictif as the older man we cannot see here above.

However I know Lovecraft used the enochian keys to add some credebility to his books. Sadly enough commercants once again use the weak mind of people and start to write books about it and get a profit out of the lies everyone beliefs.
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#10231 - 07/15/08 12:58 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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For as far as I know the lovecraftian rituals are pure fiction.

What makes you think that Lovecraft-inspired rituals are any more, or less, fictional than any other ritual source material -- such as the Enochian Keys, for example?

What is the meaning of the term 'fictional' in this context, anyway?

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#10240 - 07/16/08 03:46 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Stag]
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Let me see, his whole mythos has been invented by him and also much of the invocations who has been written down within his books.
Enochian keys are more or less an invented language used by Crowley, Laveye and Lovecraft. A close study reveiled that this language contains to much known english sounds. The words are unique but the sound you produce by speaking them indicates you are talking bullocks and have the idea of performing a serious ritual. Still it can have the same effect as any other ritual because of the psychological effect, but i prefer to know what i'm speaking of in clear words. And also if i want to call a symbol like satan during a rituals it makes it a lot easier if I know what this represents. This is not the case in the mythos where many people call Cthulu, because this creature just represents a fictive symbol of an ancient god slumbering in the ocean.

Then again, everybody believes what he wants to believe.
Term fictional means "not existing/true".
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#10249 - 07/16/08 10:29 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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Actually, Lovecraft borrowed a lot of his Elder Gods material from ancient Babylonian language and mythos. I would not say that Lovecraft so much 'invented' his mythos but rather gave his interpretation of the languages, events, and mythos of ancient Mesopotamia.

The serious and honest student of Lovecraft realizes that Lovecraft was not actually that imaginative. He simply had a somewhat unique vision. Most of his material and writing style are borrowed from other sources.
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#10251 - 07/16/08 11:19 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Actually, Lovecraft borrowed a lot of his Elder Gods material from ancient Babylonian language and mythos. I would not say that Lovecraft so much 'invented' his mythos but rather gave his interpretation of the languages, events, and mythos of ancient Mesopotamia.

The serious and honest student of Lovecraft realizes that Lovecraft was not actually that imaginative. He simply had a somewhat unique vision. Most of his material and writing style are borrowed from other sources.

True, forgot that part.
Most of his stories were also based on his nightmares (written in his autobiografy) and some names/terms he indeed lent from old summerian texts.
But i'm not very sure if these texts even came close to what he wrote. It can be possible or it can't.I should look a bit more up about sumerians knowledge on that part is a bit short.
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#10256 - 07/16/08 04:38 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

Enochian keys are more or less an invented language used by Crowley, Laveye and Lovecraft. A close study reveiled that this language contains to much known english sounds. The words are unique but the sound you produce by speaking them indicates you are talking bullocks and have the idea of performing a serious ritual.


Just a recommendation, not having a go at you: perhaps a more in-depth study of Enochian would give you a better understanding of it. And this in turn may help you realise how unacquainted you have just appeared.

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#10262 - 07/17/08 04:38 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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Just a recommendation, not having a go at you: perhaps a more in-depth study of Enochian would give you a better understanding of it. And this in turn may help you realise how unacquainted you have just appeared.

Are you sure?
I'll give you a little extrait from wikipedia to show you i have done my homework.

Skeptics have pointed to this discrepancy between the two revealed sets of Enochian texts as an indication that Enochian is in fact not a consistent language.[7] For instance it has been noted, especially by the Australian linguist Donald Laycock, that the texts in the Loagaeth material show phonetic features that do not generally appear in natural languages. [8] Rather, the features shown are commonly found in instances of glossolalia. This could be indicative of Kelley actually receiving at least this set of texts through the well-known phenomenon of glossolalia.

Building on Laycock’s linguistic analysis skeptics also point out that there are even problems with holding that the texts of the Enochian keys represent a genuine natural language. It is observed that the syntax of the Enochian calls is almost identical with that of English. [9] Also the very scant evidence of Enochian verb declension seems to be quite reminiscent of English – more so than with Semitic languages as Hebrew or Arabic, which one perhaps would have supposed Adam’s pristine language to be closer related to than English.[10] These and other points arguably make the reception of the Enochian language less mysterious and hard to account for than some practitioners of Enochian magic have typically contended.

Just not to insult you or something. But mostly if i say something there really is a text or book or piece of text written about it on wich I base my opinion and on wich i think about. \:\)
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#10263 - 07/17/08 05:12 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

I'll give you a little extrait from wikipedia to show you i have done my homework.

You do your research on wikipedia and you can't even spell 'extract' or capitalize your 'I' - conversation over; you are obviously much more knowledgeable than I.

Someone please kick me in the nuts next time I try to give someone some advice ;\)

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#10264 - 07/17/08 06:03 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

I'll give you a little extrait from wikipedia to show you i have done my homework.

You do your research on wikipedia and you can't even spell 'extract' or capitalize your 'I' - conversation over; you are obviously much more knowledgeable than I.

Someone please kick me in the nuts next time I try to give someone some advice ;\)

M.'.T.'.

I like your sarcasm, and not everyone is perfect.
And yes this extract is from wikipedia, problem with it?
I can give you another one if you like it isn't that hard you know.

The philosophy within Satanism is about being critical and put certain things in questions wich is what i'm doing now.
Don't agree with it? Fine by me, but at least give arguments to show me i'm wrong instead of changing the subject to grammar and spelling.
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#10266 - 07/17/08 07:39 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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I'll give you a little extrait from wikipedia to show you i have done my homework.


Wikipedia is not a primary source of information. Wikipedia has slightly more credibility than any other internet blog. It does not meet the credibility standards of a real Encyclopedia. To say that you have done your research on Wiki is to say that 'a guy told me.'
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#10268 - 07/17/08 07:52 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Fist]
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Well fist, you a point there.
But do not forget wikipedia also checks the information and at the end of every page there are footnotes with links to official sites where you can conclude it isn't bullshit.

Btw: to be a bit critical; the sentence 'a guy told me' cannot always put in a negative way or with a slight negative background. I can also give a whole theory or an idea and say 'a guy told me' without mentioning this "guy" is in fact a well-known professor/doctor who knows what he is talking about. (Just an example it has nothing to do with the ongoing discussion).

And like I said, I can give you other links if wanted.
Or even do a research with linguists I know and show the results.
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#10275 - 07/17/08 04:41 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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"And yes this extract is from wikipedia, problem with it?"

YES

I don't really want to discuss this one - it would be a waste of my time - but if I may suggest looking at the diaries of John Dee as well as the works of Geoffrey James and Benjamin Rowe. There are plenty of manuscripts and pdf's online with this sort of stuff. I have looked at both sides of the argument myself and I have got to say, the skeptics argument is a tad weak - I don't think they have the ability to get past their own flawed concept of talking angels.

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#10282 - 07/18/08 02:10 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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Well, everyone believes what he wants to believe. Everyone makes his own path. If you want to believe it came from angels towards these 2 persons fine by me. I still remain sceptic about it and will not claim/use it untill the opposite is proven. Altough it looks to me to much "human".

Btw: I already said iI could give other links if wanted.
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#10283 - 07/18/08 03:48 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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"If you want to believe it came from angels towards these 2 persons fine by me."

OK you are young - I can forgive that - but where the fuck did I say this???

I know I should walk away from this one, but being misunderstood and misquoted really gives me the shits.

M.'.T.'.

PS ...and don't patronise me with this 'everyone has their own path' shit.
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#10287 - 07/18/08 11:35 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Mercury_Templar
"If you want to believe it came from angels towards these 2 persons fine by me."

OK you are young - I can forgive that - but where the fuck did I say this???

I know I should walk away from this one, but being misunderstood and misquoted really gives me the shits.

M.'.T.'.

PS ...and don't patronise me with this 'everyone has their own path' shit.

Bit touchy here aren't we?
About the 2 persons I was not very clear.
Enochian keys were introduced to 2 persons by so called angels and has nothing to do with you or me. And you don't have to take about "own path" litterarly. Just wanted to say you have your ideas and I got mine. If you don't want to discuss about it by reasons I don't know, fine. But saying that you get the shits from different things doesn't help a lot. It would be much more intelligent if you came with some arguments to show me I'm wrong. I tought better of an older member. And this is not an insult or anything, I am just being critical towards behaviour and putting some reactions into question.


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#10289 - 07/18/08 02:41 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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Has anyone here very read The Dreamquest Of Unknown Kadath? What a load of crap that was. A man makes pacts with zoogs and ghouls and leads an army of cats against the tentacle-faced frogmen of the moon. I cannot stomach the fact that a religion or occult system could have been born from the mind of someone who wrote such tripe. A fifth grader could have written better.
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#10290 - 07/18/08 06:05 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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"Enochian keys were introduced to 2 persons by so called angels and has nothing to do with you or me."

I never said it did. You question my intelligence and logic when you are the one who lacks the ability to grasp what is said and what is not. I am a fool for attempting to give you advice or even converse with you - so I will tell you a joke instead:

There are two men walking through Edinburgh at night (no, it's not you and I, or Dee and Talbot). The two men are walking through a close (that's an alley for all the New World persons), when they hear two women screaming at each other, from their open windows, on opposite sides of the close. One man says to the other, "you know they will never resolve their argument", and the other man says, "how could you ever know that?" The first man simply responds with, "because they are arguing from two different premises."

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#10293 - 07/19/08 04:26 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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What do you call intelligence? And why step aside into a discussion if it becomes a bit interesting. Show me at least a bit logic. All I heard of your side is you get the shits from different things, recommended me a few books and only gets upset if I say everyone has his own path he follows.

But to get back to the normal topic before you start nagging again; Why do you think the skeptics argument is weak?
Give me some examples why you think so?

Btw: the little joke you made is almost the same remark I have been giving in my last replies.
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#23532 - 04/19/09 09:06 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Amina]
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I have an off-topic question in connection with Lovecraft: LaVey (or was it actually Aquino) used Lovecraft in two of the rituals in The Satanic Rituals. The rituals include the "unknown language" of the ancient ones (or what ever it is called). Does anyone know if they made it up by themselves, borrowed it from somewhere or wrote it with the help on some dictionary inspirered by Lovecraft mythos?

The long answer: See Chapter #22 in my Church of Satan ebook and its Appendices concerning those rituals.

The short answer: In 1971 Anton, who was then writing & assembling his Satanic Rituals, asked me if I would write a Lovecraft ritual for it. I invented the "Yuggothic" and sent him the "Ceremony of the Nine Angles" in it. He liked it, but said that what he had really had in mind was a Cthulhu-type water ritual. So I sent him the "Call to Cthulhu". He decided he wanted to include both in the book, and asked for an introductory essay, which I provided [in English].

We both expected that these "real" rituals would send the HPL community into a tizzy, which is more or less what happened, until I took pity on them and contributed an explanatory article to the HPLzine Nyctalops (also in COS), which gave everyone a good laugh.

As to what the HPL section might have turned out like had Anton written it, well, a short time later he sent me his "Nocturnal Lurker", which had me on the floor. But I guess I understand why Diane wouldn't let him use it for the book ...

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THE NOCTURNAL LURKER
- by Anton Szandor LaVey

You may think I am mad when you read this letter, my dear Rudolph. I don't know myself whether I am mad or not. After what I have been through, it would be strange indeed if I were to remain totally sane. This note, in any case, will lay out the grave reasons for which I apparently took my own life: you will see, though, that it was not myself who was killed by the poison, but a mere shell inhabited by the vilest of PARASITES!

I have a good Christian background. My mother died before I was born, while my father was at sea - his ship was lost with all hands in the nether regions of Antarctica. Thus orphaned, I was raised by Jesuits in their monastery at Arkham. They taught me to mortify my flesh, and it is ironic, somehow, that the hideous beast would choose a body such as mine for its foul purpose.

My life was wholly unremarkable until my thirteenth birthday. About that time I noticed a strange creature - an indescribably grotesque monster - you will think that my madness has the better of me, but I swear it was like a BLIND ONE-EYED WORM WITH TWO LOATHSOME HAIRY GROWTHS on its ventral side towards its rear.

The hideous animal had attached itself to my body. I knew, even at that young age, that I must somehow prevent this horror from propagating itself. I bound the area affected tightly with cloth and managed to force the flabby monstrosity up into my own body. I then set out on a search for a means to rid myself - and the world - of this filthy aberration.

I studied many obscure volumes: the Necronomicon of the Mad Arab Abdul Alhazred, Psychopathia Sexualis of Krafft-Ebbing, certain obscure writings of Saint Augustine, the Secret Protocols of the Golden Shower Queens - all these I found at the Miskatonic University Library where they were wisely kept under lock and key.

I found that there are secret sects worshipping the WORM and paying tribute to him in the most unspeakable manner. One sect calls the worm "Faggoth"; their obscene, hideous chant - nauseating to the Christian eye - is: "Ny'asty Faggoth th'uk m'a waeni!"

Other groups, composed of both men and women, practice a different ritual with another monstrous chant: "Ph'uk mei bai'bei til ma ise rol'bak!"

One particularly foul sect is called the Onans - I will say nothing of their vile and blasphemous solitary practices.

I learned certain antidotes to the worm - though there is no easy method of killing it. Saint Augustine advised the wearing of a special garment woven of thorns to hold the worm in check. Kraft-Ebbing suggested a daily dose of saltpeter. Other methods included cold showers, doing jumping-jacks in the snow unclothed, and repeated readings of the Bible. I used all these methods and had some success in controlling the force.

Finally, however, the horrible creature managed to work its will on me. I was asleep in my bed. I felt a peculiar sensation in my dream - something was growing larger and larger. It was the worm! The monstrous, ugly thing moved slowly and silently, growing ever more powerful. I desperately tried to recall the secret chant recorded in the Necronomicon, the all-powerful prayer to be used as a last resort to close the portal: "Iä, Iä, n'au jism! Iä orgon depletion!" At long last I remembered. Already the worm had me in its thrall.

I was breathless and nearly crazy from the horrid electric sensations caused by the worm's tenacious hold on my body. At length I grasped the worm and tried with all my strength to crush it, all the while screaming "Iä, Iä, Iäää! Iäääääää!"

Terrible convulsions wracked my body, and I passed out in a blinding white flash.

When I finally regained consciousness, it was daybreak. I felt that all my energy had been drained from my cells. The worm had returned to its normal state - a little more wrinkled than usual. But then, as I removed the broken remains of my thorn-garment, I saw IT! A horrible, unnameable, vile, hideous, slimy, unearthly unclean ooze! A slushy, nasty stench of decaying protein overcame me.

Since that night, I have known there is but one way to control the spectral, mocking parasite. It is no great sacrifice to destroy my defiled body - the important thing is to poison the WORM. May God have mercy on my soul.
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#23534 - 04/19/09 11:36 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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The NOCTURNAL LURKER!!!! I haven't read this in years, and the first time I did, I was laughing so hard that I was in tears. Thank you for this breath of foul air from the past.
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#23553 - 04/20/09 02:18 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I usually stay out of the book section because its full of nerd stuff, but the Lovecraft heading caught my eye.
wow this is awesome. he nailed the style and speech patterns and even the bombardment of colorful adjectives.. writing to a "Rudolph", rather than a "Randall".. cult of Faggoth..haaa priceless and arcane!
thanks for posting this Dr. Aquino. great stuff.

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#23581 - 04/20/09 06:51 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Jake999]
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The NOCTURNAL LURKER!!!! I haven't read this in years, and the first time I did, I was laughing so hard that I was in tears. Thank you for this breath of foul air from the past.
If it was daytime when I read The Nocturnal Lurker, I would have laughed as hard as you did the first time you read it.

Sadly, my dad is sleeping, and I wish not to wake him, so a silent mirth will have to do for now. \:D
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#23603 - 04/20/09 11:02 PM Ye Liveliest Awfulness [Re: DistroyA]
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Zeena has been quite sane and dull for the last couple of years, but now she’s beginning to make dry little comments that simply floor me. Today at the grocery store she announced to the counter man, quite out of the blue, that her teacher thinks she’s quite attractive. The man said, “Oh, yeah, I bet she thinks you’re a real gorgeous jewel,” to which Zeena replied, “Yes, she said that too!” Tonight, after critically viewing a sketch of Anton’s (a man drinking a bottle of beer and scratching his privates), she said, “Really! Can’t you ever draw anything sophisticated?” - Letter, Diane LaVey to M.A.A. 4/3/73

I remember remarking to Anton, one evening at 6114, that one of my cherished possessions was an original R. Crumb Tommy Toilet poster, but that Lilith wouldn't let me frame it in the bathroom. Anton said, "Me too, and Diane won't let me put mine up either," and promptly produced his copy from his, ahem, occult archives.

That's why 6114 visitors seated in the can found themselves facing not Tommy, but one of the "Satan Wants You!" posters, with a World War I gas mask and a red rose as emergency accents.

Lilith finally relented and let me put Tommy up in our bathroom, by the way. In addition to giving undeniably sage advice, TT is the ultimate icebreaker and karma-leveler for visitors.
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#27618 - 07/28/09 03:00 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: silligum_diaboli]
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okay, me and a friend are reading lovecrafts work. We were wandering, what if Cthulhu is awakening in 2012?
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#27634 - 07/28/09 04:42 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Domonic]
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Only if his alarm clock goes off....

Otherwise, he will be late for work.



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#76489 - 05/20/13 08:21 AM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Dimitri]
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HP Lovecraft is an acquired taste, especially his style of writing. Any fan of strange tales can see his influences and which authors he is attempting to emulate.

What I think is most interesting about HPL, is that his writing didn't really gain a lot of notoriety until long after his death. The culmination of his stories into a mythos-cycle we can credit to (mostly) August Derleth. There's also an on-going debate on which stories should be included in that cycle.

I've always enjoyed the stories for their archetypal structures and using them as allegories in my own cult madness. There's tons to use for psyche-models.

"At the Mountains of Madness" is a great addition to the mythos cycle in relation to the place where the Old Ones dwell, and how they got there. If you think on it, you can see that those Old Ones are 'us', buried under layers of influence and experiences that make up personality. Sort of like the Subconscious mind vs. Conscious mind. In order to bring the Old Ones forth, there has to be a catalyst for making a go of it. This is where other stories come in handy such as "Call of Cthulhu". Even the catalyst needs a spark, and Al Hazred the Mad Arab is just that. The Necronomicon is like a pathway to begin the process.

While it's all fiction, its still very much a useful body of work for any Adept Occultist.
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#76497 - 05/20/13 07:40 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: silligum_diaboli]
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At the Mountains of Madness, would certainly have to be one of my favorite Lovecraft stories. It is Certainly worth a read!!! Strangely enough the Aliens Vs Predator movie contained some elements from the mountains of madness.

Lovecraft is one of those authors I just can put down, I often find my self yearning for a reread. Some of his descriptions of higher and lower dimensional angles always seem to send a wonderful shiver down my spine.


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#76500 - 05/20/13 07:51 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Conchis]
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Have you the film Prometheus? I thought it had a lot of elements from At the Mountains of Madness.
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#76501 - 05/20/13 08:02 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Have you the film Prometheus? I thought it had a lot of elements from At the Mountains of Madness.

No I have yet to see it, although it has been recommended to me several time's. It would not surprise me a bit to see lovecraftian elements in Prometheus as well. I always personally thought that the "aliens" themselves had a somewhat lovecraft esque appearance/feel about them.


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#76502 - 05/20/13 08:18 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Conchis]
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I agree. If you enjoy Lovecraftian weirdness, I think you'll enjoy the film Prometheus.
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#76508 - 05/20/13 09:19 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: SIN3]
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Goddam that goddam movie!

Since 1979 I've been waiting for an explanation of the mummified remains that the crew from Alien encounter right before encountering the 'eggs'.

At the end of Prometheus they explain it... and then the 'promethian' gets up from his seat and moves to another section of the ship to be struck down there. So how does he end up back in his seat in the original Alien I ask you? Goddam that goddam film!
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#76509 - 05/20/13 09:44 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Goddam that goddam movie!

Since 1979 I've been waiting for an explanation of the mummified remains that the crew from Alien encounter right before encountering the 'eggs'.

At the end of Prometheus they explain it... and then the 'promethian' gets up from his seat and moves to another section of the ship to be struck down there. So how does he end up back in his seat in the original Alien I ask you? Goddam that goddam film!


Are you certain its the exact 'Engineer' in the chair?




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#76511 - 05/20/13 09:50 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: SIN3]
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No but that's like the cliffhanger ending that Annie describes in Misery.. you see the cock-a-doodie guy drive off the cliff so resurrecting him is a ripoff! ;\)

Seriously... they positioned the chair the same way it was in Alien. I feel like the explanation is somewhere on the cutting room floor.

Or, I guess I could just accept the macro explanation... but that really bugged me.
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#76513 - 05/20/13 10:01 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Fnord]
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you see the cock-a-doodie guy drive off the cliff


That made me laugh out loud, literally.

The DNA sequence is interesting, it leads one to believe that there's more to the design that leads to the scene you are referring to. Plus, Shaw gets into a ship and is heading to the homeworld. Like Ripley she's given birth to an alien, so maybe that will offer her some type of protection from what she finds there...hmmmm
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#76536 - 05/21/13 01:37 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: SIN3]
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"At the Mountains of Madness" was almost made a movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw3tuiND_xk

However, Warner Bros. (as could be expected) did not let del Toro make the movie as it needed to be made. Then, Prometheus came out and he thought At the Mountains of Madness would look too much like Prometheus for general audiences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Mountains_of_Madness

With any luck he will take up the project again.
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#76543 - 05/21/13 02:23 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: Fist]
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I read an article about it when the film hit the box office. I was really disappointed, he could really taken it to the next level. I really want to see how they create the barrel creatures.
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#76547 - 05/21/13 03:30 PM Re: H. P. Lovecraft [Re: SIN3]
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There is a very interesting 2005 silent B/W adaptation of "The Call of Cthulhu". I personally found it to be quite enjoyable. It can be seen here.
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