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#47032 - 01/19/11 06:50 PM What is reality?
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I am currently watching BBC's Horizon dealing with what is reality.

An experiment with light shows it is waves and creates multiple stripes on a screen.

Photons then are fired one at a time through two slits on a card, and should produce two stripes on a screen, but it creates three stripes.

Monitoring equipment is installed to see how three stripes are occurring, the photons then only create two stripes.

I am having a WTF moment.

A similar situation is happening with quantum computers that can produce a 1 or a 0, and a second 1 and 0 calculation. When an attempt is made to observe this duplicate calculation the quantum computer ceases doing it.



Edited by mabon2010 (01/19/11 07:07 PM)
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#47036 - 01/19/11 08:56 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: mabon2010]
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I've been doing some intermediate personal research into the quantum fields since high school. The more I think I understand what's going on, the more WTF moments I get.

The slit experiment, the quantum eraser gun, and a basic understanding of the Copenhagen interpretation started me off on all of it. Somehow managed to stumble across those while fucking around on school computers during class.

Non-local connection really gets me everytime. I believe that is the principle being applied in quantum processors. When a particle is split and both resulting parts have the same spin, a measurement can be made of each particle by the measurement of just either one of them, and that allows for the processor to do 2 calculations at once, if not more, depending on the design and intended usage.

I don't remember where I read it, but recently (as in within the past year), I believe they are trying to implement the same principle that the quantum eraser gun demonstrates into quantum processors. They think that they'll be able to determine the contents off multiple sources of information through the analysis of just one source. They way I saw it described was you have 4 phone numbers saved, and you are just looking for one that is your friend's. You don't know which is your friends, but somehow, just through testing one of them to see if it is you're friends, it would be able to known what all 4 numbers are for, and consequentally, which is your friend's.

Decently reliable wiki-knowledge:

Quantum eraser experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_eraser_experiment

Non-local connection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

Copenhagen Interpretation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation

Schrodinger's Cat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dingers_Cat


Edited by Clicks (01/19/11 09:00 PM)
Edit Reason: Added two more wiki links
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#47048 - 01/20/11 05:45 AM Re: What is reality? [Re: Clicks]
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Reality is what one considers 'real' I don't want to go pomo or entertain any dichotmies though these might be useful it simply isn't true. Human beings experience an intersubjective phenomonological interpretation of a reality which although has an objective nature is constrained by experience. As such reality requires an observer. Quantum entanglement is a thought provoing example mabon gave.

Language is not the beginning and end of things in and of themselves but they are in the stories we tell about them. The only way I can reconcile the story of plato's cave personally is to consider the shadows on the wall real too in their own right.

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#47052 - 01/20/11 08:11 AM Re: What is reality? [Re: thedeadidea]
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From the root Res (L. "thing"), reality as a term signifies "thingness," and as such carries with it a bias toward the object-pole of phenomenal presentation. To say that something is "real" means that it is an object of a phenomenal state of awareness, and this should be understood as indicating a spectrum of possibility. The more phenomenal states which incorporate said object, the more "real" it appears to be. As all phenomenal possibilities partake of enumeration, mathematics is the most "real" fracticality, and hence the basis for all science.

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#47110 - 01/20/11 11:19 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: Jason King]
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I'm sure perception plays a role in reality! I draw this conclusion is if you and wittiness an event we will veiw the event from separate veiw points!
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#47120 - 01/21/11 06:09 AM Re: What is reality? [Re: thisoldhippy420]
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 Originally Posted By: thisoldhippy420
I'm sure perception plays a role in reality! I draw this conclusion is if you and wittiness an event we will veiw the event from separate veiw points!


In french there is a proverb: "Un ‚ne ne bute jamais deux fois sur la mÍme pierre" which can be translated as "A donkey does not stumble twice on the same stone"

Think about it...

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#47125 - 01/21/11 09:19 AM Re: What is reality? [Re: Fabiano]
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Thats a rather interesting proverb. The donkey could be the event, and the stones the people. No two stones are alike. As the donkey stays the same but the stones change. And so as event stays the same perception differ.

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#47130 - 01/21/11 10:27 AM Re: What is reality? [Re: thisoldhippy420]
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You completely and utter missed the entire point of Fabiano's post, to such an extent that it's almost hard to fathom...

Did you do that intentionally to be a smart-ass, or are you just that stupid?
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#47133 - 01/21/11 11:32 AM Re: What is reality? [Re: JysusCryst]
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His replies make my brain cringe like a camel's arse during a sandstorm. I have furniture with a higher IQ than his.

D.

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#47138 - 01/21/11 02:28 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: thisoldhippy420]
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Idiot, leave here before you embarass yourself further.
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#47143 - 01/21/11 03:18 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: thedeadidea]
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 Originally Posted By: thedeadidea
Idiot, leave here before you embarass yourself further.


With all due respect, we do have a team of moderators here who are perfectly capable of deciding when someone should get escorted to the door.

Besides that, all you've done is embarrass yourself by blatantly disregarding the forum rule about one liner posts (how many times is that?), all in the effort to throw your two pennies in to the (off track) mix.

Normally, your post is something I would ignore, but given that you were the recent recipient of the benefit of the doubt, I think I might tread a bit more lightly were I in your shoes.
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#47152 - 01/21/11 05:38 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: Fnord]
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Thanks Fnord! I'm mainly ignoring Diavolo and thedeadidea simply because I spoke my mind and there only reaction is to insult me like a weak ass fucking troll.
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#47154 - 01/21/11 06:16 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: thisoldhippy420]
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You can correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't insult you like a weak ass troll. As far as I remember I called you so stupid it made my skin crawl when reading your posts.

I however realized (afterwards) it is beyond your capacities to live up to our standards and as such, I PM'd you some good advice. I don't think you took it too serious.

D.

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#47155 - 01/21/11 06:17 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: thisoldhippy420]
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To be fair, you made no sense either. Pick up your game and make sense, or else refrain from posting. If English is your first language you should consider reading up on syntax, grammar and spelling as well.
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#47166 - 01/21/11 09:38 PM Re: What is reality? [Re: thisoldhippy420]
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Just to be clear, I wasn't defending your post(s) either. I was simply taking small issue with deadidea overstepping his bounds (again).

I would defend Diavolo's posts though. I've learned much from interacting with him as would anyone who took the time to read his thoughts. Ignoring him isn't your best option.
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