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#47073 - 01/20/11 04:47 PM Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible)
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Hello,

My question is I see it has become more and more trendy to be 'bi-sexual'. I'd imagine majority of men have had fantasies of being with multiple women at once and a lot of guys look at porn. Women don't like porn the way guys do. Women tend to be more prone to be committed to one person and desire very much to serve them provided they get their loved ones undivided attention.

So I've been confused by this a lot it seems like something guys want frequently, almost naturally, and something girls want none of at all.
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#47074 - 01/20/11 04:52 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Perhaps it could be understood as an embedded control?

If every gentleman (I apply that term most loosely) were allowed his every pleasure I'd suspect that population Earth would be standing room only.

Not a definitive answer, but it works for me.
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#47075 - 01/20/11 04:56 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Perhaps it could be understood as an embedded control?

If every gentleman (I apply that term most loosely) were allowed his every pleasure I'd suspect that population Earth would be standing room only.

Not a definitive answer, but it works for me.


Well biologically speaking men want to have to have an inclination to appreciate variety and have as much progeny I guess as possible. Whereas women need the security of a partner to rear children.

I suppose not dissimilar to the way flowers pollinate... Except.. Flowers dont have legs.

LaVey didnt seem to account for the reaction both sexes would have to that part of the book and how their thoughts on that would be different


Edited by TrollovGrimness (01/20/11 04:58 PM)
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#47076 - 01/20/11 05:05 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Apparently you don't know the same girls I do. : D

In all honesty, women appear more "conservative" sexually than guys because it's the way society trains them to act. You're also right about biological inclinations. Of course there are always anomalies on both sides of the fence... I know plenty of girls that are into swinging and polyamory, as well as guys that are very serious about committed relationships.

By the way, polyamory means being in an emotional relationship with multiple partners, not just sex (that's called swinging).


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#47079 - 01/20/11 05:11 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Apparently you don't know the same girls I do. : D

In all honesty, women appear more "conservative" sexually than guys because it's the way society trains them to act. You're also right about biological inclinations. Of course there are always anomalies on both sides of the fence... I know plenty of girls that are into swinging and polyamory, as well as guys that are very serious about committed relationships.

By the way, polyamory means being in an emotional relationship with multiple partners, not just sex (that's called swinging).


Yeah I'm making a distinction there deliberately. Thank you for clarifying.
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#47081 - 01/20/11 05:22 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I'm 61, and I have found that not all men like porn, and not all women don't. Depends strictly on the libidinous need of the individual.

Many of the ladies I've been with, and I would conservatively place that at over 100, have enjoyed porn to a greater or lesser extent. As the commercials say, "these results may not be typical, your experience may vary." If you invite a lady over to your place for the first time and have a wall full of well used porn alongside a pristine copy of BAMBI, most will probably defer your offer to "screen some films."

Polyamory is indeed an emotional relationship with several partners. I have been married since 1969 (42 years this year), and I have been in a polyamorphic relationship for the past 20 as well. I'm here to tell you that if anyone ever gets the idea that it's all sex and no hard work, the fantasy line forms to the left.
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#47082 - 01/20/11 05:25 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I agree with T. Zebu there. All women that I have been involved with (enough to comfortable speak about sex) have almost the same fantasies and one of the most common is having sex with two or more people (men or women) at the same time. No different from a common man's fantasy.

Unlike men though, women have usually a hard time talking about their fantasies and wants as freely, which is the cause that many people believe women don't care about sex.

Just sayin'


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#47099 - 01/20/11 09:56 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: HeimiricIX]
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I dont really know enough people for this lifestyle to be compatible with my nature I tend to be really solitary. I hate calling things a lifestyle thats not exactly what I mean but certainly if I was to ever fall for someone again they'd have to take me really seriously. I dont take most people too seriously. Its nice to see someone say that it has worked for them a lot of the people who talk about it in the media seem to have the 'third wheel' thing going on. The outward impression to me has always been one person really into it with someone and the third person just reluctantly puts up with it. For me the idealistic way I see it is three people all in loving respect of one another.

Edited by TrollovGrimness (01/20/11 09:57 PM)
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#47102 - 01/20/11 10:10 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
My question is I see it has become more and more trendy to be 'bi-sexual'.

So what does this have to do with the trend that is becoming more and more accepted to feel you have to announce to the world your sexual orientation? I cannot make a connection between this and your talk of porn?

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#47104 - 01/20/11 10:27 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: ta2zz]
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All I meant was that young people calling themselves 'bisexual' is increasingly more common. I wasn't talking about myself. I wasnt talking about porn really I was just interested in difference between how men and women look at polyamory and how they feel about it and if there is more of a reason for women to be against it than men.

and thats what the thread is about. or anything else related to polyamory.

and yeah im a bad writer im aware

Just who is hurting who in a relationship if one person wants to 'cheat' and the other wants absolute exclusive commitment. Is jealousy or other negative feelings like this a vice? Human frailty? A lot of people would consider it a natural reaction, and justify it.


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#48687 - 02/11/11 03:40 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I know its been a while, but I finally signed up for the forum...
Relationships and personal identity, including sexual orientation are both cultural constructs. That is to say, that in a vacuum, gender roles, social expectations, sexual identities would all be different than they may be presently, if they existed at all. According to scientific studies, the range of physical attraction for both males and females varies dramatically, with very few people falling into the category of exclusively gay or straight sexual attraction.
As for the increased number of young people coming out as bi, as you say, there could be many contributing factors. If this is in fact a social trend, or just a pop-culture perceived trend, than causes could be linked to increased emphasis on sexual identity, increased openness towards gay communities, and increased access to distance defying communities (internet).
I am not really sure what you want to know with this thread. If you are interested in polyamory and other sexual and romantic cultures, I can recommend some very interesting ethnographies.

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#48842 - 02/14/11 11:51 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999

Many of the ladies I've been with, and I would conservatively place that at over 100, have enjoyed porn to a greater or lesser extent. As the commercials say, "these results may not be typical, your experience may vary." If you invite a lady over to your place for the first time and have a wall full of well used porn alongside a pristine copy of BAMBI, most will probably defer your offer to "screen some films."



Who the hell wants to watch Bambi when there is porn available?

I'm a 54 year old woman who has always loved sex and porn. I think it keeps me young, but given my age, I think I am more open about my sexuality now because I don't give a shit what people think any more.

Women are indoctrinated at a young age to think of chastity as a virtue and this ridiculous notion is nurtured in school as the word 'slut' and 'whore' are used in a disparaging manner. Being a child of the 60's and 70's, I received a lot of conflicting messages as the 'hippie - free love' movement was in full swing, yet the prudish morality of the 1950's was still rearing it's ugly head as the generations clashed. While women wanted to embrace the idea of burning the bra and enjoying a nice fuck-fest, most of us had to work through all those religious and societal roadblocks playing in our heads. I compromised and became a stealth porn collector and kept my sex life discrete, that is until I decided to unload the programming and exalt my physical self as much as my spiritual self; Christians be damned!
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#48959 - 02/16/11 04:46 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: LucyFur]
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It is far better to allow oneself to become deeply imbued beforehand with the exotic obscurity of sex, and to keep in Mind that sex is an ineffable experience as one partakes in the sex act with another whom wish it to be. Between the anecdotes and the mystical significance there is, for our understanding the possibility of "bridging a gulf" between partners can at best be indicated; but, never in practice achieved. One has the feeling of touching upon a true secret: not something that has been imagined or pretended. This is not a case of secrecy, but that of experience which baffles all languages and peoples.

Sex comes as something unexpected, not to be expected.

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#49609 - 02/24/11 11:48 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: paolo sette]
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Sex with another human being is a permanent emotional transference. There is a catharsis. You certainly do bridge a gulf.

That said the previous poster was talking about the 60s and 70s.. things are very different today there is a huge rise in STDs from young people fucking each other too much and taking no precautions. Some of the STDs dont show tell tale signs and people carry them without knowledge. Whenever one wants to have sex with another it's like spinning the chamber with 3 bullets in a six shot gun and shooting yourself in the face.
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#49758 - 02/25/11 06:30 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Quote:
That said the previous poster was talking about the 60s and 70s..


What a time!

More to the point:

Personal experience is everything in sex. No ideas are intelligible to those who have no backing of sexual experience. This is a platitude. To get at the clearest and most efficient understanding of sex, it must be experienced personally. Especially when sex is concerned with life, personal experience is an absolute necessity. The foundation of sexual experience is simple, it has to do with unsophisticated experience. Sex places the utmost emphasis upon experience, and it is around this that sex penetrates with all the verbal and conceptual scaffoldings.

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