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#47073 - 01/20/11 04:47 PM Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible)
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Hello,

My question is I see it has become more and more trendy to be 'bi-sexual'. I'd imagine majority of men have had fantasies of being with multiple women at once and a lot of guys look at porn. Women don't like porn the way guys do. Women tend to be more prone to be committed to one person and desire very much to serve them provided they get their loved ones undivided attention.

So I've been confused by this a lot it seems like something guys want frequently, almost naturally, and something girls want none of at all.
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#47074 - 01/20/11 04:52 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Perhaps it could be understood as an embedded control?

If every gentleman (I apply that term most loosely) were allowed his every pleasure I'd suspect that population Earth would be standing room only.

Not a definitive answer, but it works for me.
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#47075 - 01/20/11 04:56 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Perhaps it could be understood as an embedded control?

If every gentleman (I apply that term most loosely) were allowed his every pleasure I'd suspect that population Earth would be standing room only.

Not a definitive answer, but it works for me.


Well biologically speaking men want to have to have an inclination to appreciate variety and have as much progeny I guess as possible. Whereas women need the security of a partner to rear children.

I suppose not dissimilar to the way flowers pollinate... Except.. Flowers dont have legs.

LaVey didnt seem to account for the reaction both sexes would have to that part of the book and how their thoughts on that would be different


Edited by TrollovGrimness (01/20/11 04:58 PM)
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#47076 - 01/20/11 05:05 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Apparently you don't know the same girls I do. : D

In all honesty, women appear more "conservative" sexually than guys because it's the way society trains them to act. You're also right about biological inclinations. Of course there are always anomalies on both sides of the fence... I know plenty of girls that are into swinging and polyamory, as well as guys that are very serious about committed relationships.

By the way, polyamory means being in an emotional relationship with multiple partners, not just sex (that's called swinging).


Edited by The Zebu (01/20/11 05:05 PM)
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#47079 - 01/20/11 05:11 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Apparently you don't know the same girls I do. : D

In all honesty, women appear more "conservative" sexually than guys because it's the way society trains them to act. You're also right about biological inclinations. Of course there are always anomalies on both sides of the fence... I know plenty of girls that are into swinging and polyamory, as well as guys that are very serious about committed relationships.

By the way, polyamory means being in an emotional relationship with multiple partners, not just sex (that's called swinging).


Yeah I'm making a distinction there deliberately. Thank you for clarifying.
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#47081 - 01/20/11 05:22 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I'm 61, and I have found that not all men like porn, and not all women don't. Depends strictly on the libidinous need of the individual.

Many of the ladies I've been with, and I would conservatively place that at over 100, have enjoyed porn to a greater or lesser extent. As the commercials say, "these results may not be typical, your experience may vary." If you invite a lady over to your place for the first time and have a wall full of well used porn alongside a pristine copy of BAMBI, most will probably defer your offer to "screen some films."

Polyamory is indeed an emotional relationship with several partners. I have been married since 1969 (42 years this year), and I have been in a polyamorphic relationship for the past 20 as well. I'm here to tell you that if anyone ever gets the idea that it's all sex and no hard work, the fantasy line forms to the left.
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#47082 - 01/20/11 05:25 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I agree with T. Zebu there. All women that I have been involved with (enough to comfortable speak about sex) have almost the same fantasies and one of the most common is having sex with two or more people (men or women) at the same time. No different from a common man's fantasy.

Unlike men though, women have usually a hard time talking about their fantasies and wants as freely, which is the cause that many people believe women don't care about sex.

Just sayin'


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#47099 - 01/20/11 09:56 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: HeimiricIX]
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I dont really know enough people for this lifestyle to be compatible with my nature I tend to be really solitary. I hate calling things a lifestyle thats not exactly what I mean but certainly if I was to ever fall for someone again they'd have to take me really seriously. I dont take most people too seriously. Its nice to see someone say that it has worked for them a lot of the people who talk about it in the media seem to have the 'third wheel' thing going on. The outward impression to me has always been one person really into it with someone and the third person just reluctantly puts up with it. For me the idealistic way I see it is three people all in loving respect of one another.

Edited by TrollovGrimness (01/20/11 09:57 PM)
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#47102 - 01/20/11 10:10 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
My question is I see it has become more and more trendy to be 'bi-sexual'.

So what does this have to do with the trend that is becoming more and more accepted to feel you have to announce to the world your sexual orientation? I cannot make a connection between this and your talk of porn?

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#47104 - 01/20/11 10:27 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: ta2zz]
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All I meant was that young people calling themselves 'bisexual' is increasingly more common. I wasn't talking about myself. I wasnt talking about porn really I was just interested in difference between how men and women look at polyamory and how they feel about it and if there is more of a reason for women to be against it than men.

and thats what the thread is about. or anything else related to polyamory.

and yeah im a bad writer im aware

Just who is hurting who in a relationship if one person wants to 'cheat' and the other wants absolute exclusive commitment. Is jealousy or other negative feelings like this a vice? Human frailty? A lot of people would consider it a natural reaction, and justify it.


Edited by TrollovGrimness (01/20/11 10:41 PM)
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#48687 - 02/11/11 03:40 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I know its been a while, but I finally signed up for the forum...
Relationships and personal identity, including sexual orientation are both cultural constructs. That is to say, that in a vacuum, gender roles, social expectations, sexual identities would all be different than they may be presently, if they existed at all. According to scientific studies, the range of physical attraction for both males and females varies dramatically, with very few people falling into the category of exclusively gay or straight sexual attraction.
As for the increased number of young people coming out as bi, as you say, there could be many contributing factors. If this is in fact a social trend, or just a pop-culture perceived trend, than causes could be linked to increased emphasis on sexual identity, increased openness towards gay communities, and increased access to distance defying communities (internet).
I am not really sure what you want to know with this thread. If you are interested in polyamory and other sexual and romantic cultures, I can recommend some very interesting ethnographies.

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#48842 - 02/14/11 11:51 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999

Many of the ladies I've been with, and I would conservatively place that at over 100, have enjoyed porn to a greater or lesser extent. As the commercials say, "these results may not be typical, your experience may vary." If you invite a lady over to your place for the first time and have a wall full of well used porn alongside a pristine copy of BAMBI, most will probably defer your offer to "screen some films."



Who the hell wants to watch Bambi when there is porn available?

I'm a 54 year old woman who has always loved sex and porn. I think it keeps me young, but given my age, I think I am more open about my sexuality now because I don't give a shit what people think any more.

Women are indoctrinated at a young age to think of chastity as a virtue and this ridiculous notion is nurtured in school as the word 'slut' and 'whore' are used in a disparaging manner. Being a child of the 60's and 70's, I received a lot of conflicting messages as the 'hippie - free love' movement was in full swing, yet the prudish morality of the 1950's was still rearing it's ugly head as the generations clashed. While women wanted to embrace the idea of burning the bra and enjoying a nice fuck-fest, most of us had to work through all those religious and societal roadblocks playing in our heads. I compromised and became a stealth porn collector and kept my sex life discrete, that is until I decided to unload the programming and exalt my physical self as much as my spiritual self; Christians be damned!
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#48959 - 02/16/11 04:46 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: LucyFur]
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It is far better to allow oneself to become deeply imbued beforehand with the exotic obscurity of sex, and to keep in Mind that sex is an ineffable experience as one partakes in the sex act with another whom wish it to be. Between the anecdotes and the mystical significance there is, for our understanding the possibility of "bridging a gulf" between partners can at best be indicated; but, never in practice achieved. One has the feeling of touching upon a true secret: not something that has been imagined or pretended. This is not a case of secrecy, but that of experience which baffles all languages and peoples.

Sex comes as something unexpected, not to be expected.

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#49609 - 02/24/11 11:48 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: paolo sette]
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Sex with another human being is a permanent emotional transference. There is a catharsis. You certainly do bridge a gulf.

That said the previous poster was talking about the 60s and 70s.. things are very different today there is a huge rise in STDs from young people fucking each other too much and taking no precautions. Some of the STDs dont show tell tale signs and people carry them without knowledge. Whenever one wants to have sex with another it's like spinning the chamber with 3 bullets in a six shot gun and shooting yourself in the face.
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#49758 - 02/25/11 06:30 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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That said the previous poster was talking about the 60s and 70s..


What a time!

More to the point:

Personal experience is everything in sex. No ideas are intelligible to those who have no backing of sexual experience. This is a platitude. To get at the clearest and most efficient understanding of sex, it must be experienced personally. Especially when sex is concerned with life, personal experience is an absolute necessity. The foundation of sexual experience is simple, it has to do with unsophisticated experience. Sex places the utmost emphasis upon experience, and it is around this that sex penetrates with all the verbal and conceptual scaffoldings.

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#49763 - 02/25/11 07:28 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
Whenever one wants to have sex with another it's like spinning the chamber with 3 bullets in a six shot gun and shooting yourself in the face.


Whenever? Have you never heard of condoms, STI screenings, blood tests, urine tests, pap smears, vaccinations, and even hygienic habits? Anyone who takes a minimal amount of effort to be informed, careful, and responsible can be sexually active with minimal risk of infection. Having sex with multiple people doesn't necessarily entail carelessness.

For that matter, a long-term, committed, exclusive polyamorous relationship would expose a person to much less risk than the serial monogamy I've seen some practice.

Informed sex with 100 partners is far less risky than ignorant sex with one.

 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
Sex with another human being is a permanent emotional transference. There is a catharsis. You certainly do bridge a gulf.


I think it's interesting that you imply you have had minimal sexual experience, yet feel you are in a position to speak categorically about what sex is like for all people in all circumstances.
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#49775 - 02/25/11 10:06 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Preventing STDs is not so simple as putting a condom on if you think it stops everything you're misinformed.

And yes levels of STDs amongst young people has gotten out of control.
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#49781 - 02/25/11 10:51 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
Preventing STDs is not so simple as putting a condom on if you think it stops everything you're misinformed.


I listed 7 ways to minimize risk and you only read "condom"? And I never said that it "stops everything." You're both missing what I did say and attributing things to me that I didn't say.
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#49797 - 02/26/11 02:41 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I listed 7 ways to minimize risk and you only read "condom"? And I never said that it "stops everything." You're both missing what I did say and attributing things to me that I didn't say.

From the 7 things you listed only 3 have minimizing effects of having STD's. Blood tests, urine tests,.. are mostly taken when it's already too late.
Vaccination isn't also that effective when it comes down to genital wards, Phtirus pubis (or pubic lice..). On the other hand you have covered the hygiene part. But then again, some find it rude to demand the other person to go and wash him/herself.

As about your comment about Trollovgrimness her sexual endeavours.. Weren't you the one who admitted to have had sex with persons out of piety? Better watch you're step.



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#49800 - 02/26/11 03:22 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Dimitri]
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Sometimes people get tested before they have sex with someone. I know a girl who wont sleep with anyone who doesn't first get tested with her.

Of course, somethings, like herpes can only be diagnosed when an actual outbreak is occurring. But with the large number of people who already carry the virus it probably wont be long before those who don't have it can count themselves amongst the minority.

There is no way to be 100% protected unless you refuse to engage in any sexual contact. Ever. That doesn't sound like fun to me. Sometimes you just got to throw caution to the wind.
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#49801 - 02/26/11 03:25 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
From the 7 things you listed only 3 have minimizing effects of having STD's. Blood tests, urine tests,.. are mostly taken when it's already too late.

I was referring to testing a potential partner before sleeping with him/her, not testing oneself. Testing oneself isn't prevention, though early detection can help one catch bacterial infections when simple antibiotics will clear them up, before they lead to complications (such as pelvic inflammatory disease).


 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Vaccination isn't also that effective when it comes down to genital wards, Phtirus pubis (or pubic lice..).

The HPV vaccine protects against the two most common types that cause cancer and the two most common types that cause warts. It doesn't protect against all forms, but it certainly reduces risk considerably. It's wise to get, since genital warts is hard to test for, impossible to cure, and not always blocked by condoms.


 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
On the other hand you have covered the hygiene part. But then again, some find it rude to demand the other person to go and wash him/herself.

I was referring to urinating and washing oneself after sex (which can reduce the risk of transmission). Telling a partner to wash himself/herself before sex is more for the sake making him/her a little more pleasant to go down on.


 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Weren't you the one who admitted to have had sex with persons out of piety? Better watch you're step.

...No, I never said that, nor would I ever say that. You're seriously either confusing me with someone else or reading my posts with fun goggles.
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#49802 - 02/26/11 03:43 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
Of course, somethings, like herpes can only be diagnosed when an actual outbreak is occurring.

Technically there is a blood test for herpes, though one must specially request it. Most people do test positive because it doesn't distinguish between genital herpes and oral herpes. Oral herpes (cold sore type) is extremely common (as it can be spread by kissing). But if one tests positive in a blood test and has never had a cold sore, that's a strong indicator they may carry the other kind.


 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
There is no way to be 100% protected unless you refuse to engage in any sexual contact. Ever.

Even then, you can still get herpes from circumcision, hepatitis or HIV from needles (not just druggies, but accidental nicks of medical personnel), crabs from towels and bedsheets, syphilis from contact with animals, chlamydia from lack of water sanitation (Google trachoma), etc. Fuck, let's just all live in sterile plastic bubbles.
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#49805 - 02/26/11 03:52 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Well last time I went and got tested I told them to check for "everything" and the doctor informed me that she could do a blood test for herpes but that it wasn't really accurate and things like that are better diagnosed when an actual outbreak is occurring.

A friend of mine caught chlamydia from (supposedly) a toilet seat at his work. They gave him some antibiotics to clear it up which is funny because I thought you had to get "ram-rodded" to clear that up.

I'm just glad that with everything floating out there I have managed to keep myself in the clear.
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#49818 - 02/26/11 05:32 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Weren't you the one who admitted to have had sex with persons out of piety? Better watch you're step.


piety:

reverence for god or devout fulfillment of religious obligations

pity:

to have compassion

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#49830 - 02/26/11 06:21 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Diavolo]
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Sex out of piety?

That's when you do it on your knees! \:D

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#49871 - 02/26/11 12:32 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I was referring to testing a potential partner before sleeping with him/her, not testing oneself. Testing oneself isn't prevention, though early detection can help one catch bacterial infections when simple antibiotics will clear them up, before they lead to complications (such as pelvic inflammatory disease).

"Hey darling before we go to bed tonight lets go see a doctor to check if you're not having one of those ugly diseases..."
And I disagree with testing oneself is not prevention. Take a test and see if you haven't got an STD, it's prevention of not passing it on towards other persons.

And otherwise: exactly my point.

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It's wise to get, since genital warts is hard to test for, impossible to cure, and not always blocked by condoms.

There are various cures for genital warts. This can be achieved by various methods of destruction (burning, freezing and chemicals) or use of a gel and cream. Most of the time a combination of antibiotics are prescribed to destroy the virus causing the warts to grow.

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I was referring to urinating and washing oneself after sex (which can reduce the risk of transmission). Telling a partner to wash himself/herself before sex is more for the sake making him/her a little more pleasant to go down on.
At that moment it is already too late.

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...No, I never said that, nor would I ever say that. You're seriously either confusing me with someone else or reading my posts with fun goggles.

Confusing with someone else.. quite probably. But I do think it was you. Can't seem to find the topic at the moment.
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#49941 - 02/26/11 06:35 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
"Hey darling before we go to bed tonight lets go see a doctor to check if you're not having one of those ugly diseases..."

Someone who picks up people in a bar and expects to sleep with them that very same night may have trouble using this strategy, but I've consistently used it without a hitch. My partners are grateful that I do, because mutual tests help protect them as well.


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There are various cures for genital warts. This can be achieved by various methods of destruction (burning, freezing and chemicals) or use of a gel and cream. Most of the time a combination of antibiotics are prescribed to destroy the virus causing the warts to grow.

Removing the warts does not get rid of the viral infection that gave rise to them, and antibiotics are only effective against bacteria (not viruses). HPV can clear up on its own over time, but antibiotics won't get rid of it.


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At that moment it is already too late.

Not necessarily. Many studies have shown that washing after sex reduces the probably of transmission of many venereal diseases. It's not 100% effective (nothing is), but it does improve one's chances.


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Confusing with someone else.. quite probably. But I do think it was you. Can't seem to find the topic at the moment.

If you meant "pity," as Diavolo pointed out, then yes, I did indeed have sex with someone out of pity. That was eight years ago, and I've long since learned my lesson. I wouldn't have openly admitted it were I still dumb enough to do it. Besides, how wise were you eight years ago? Having made such mistakes, and learned from them, is part of the personal experience that I have, and TrollovGrimness lacks.
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#49942 - 02/26/11 07:33 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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'Cloning' I am all up for, I'd love 4-5 of the same woman type at once, I just can't be attracted to the face of another female when I like a certain one. Body attraction is different and just automatic.

This polyamory thing won't work for me because I only like raven haired corpse white females and these are hard to find with the right body proportions as it is, let alone for them to be susceptible to my penetrating them anally. It can often take months to get them to be open to the advance which has to be cleverly cultivated and teased. If one woman told the other little things that were going on everything could be spoiled and you'd just have to start from the beginning with new girls, all that ass fuck conspiracy work for nothing.

I had two girls at once when I was 18, but I just kept with the one with the better shaped ass towards the end half. They looked quite alike (apart from features) so this was ideal. Was still not so real as when your with one female though.

I find it's best to have only 18 year old girlfriends, this way limiting the chance that they have come into contact with something deadly, basically not a virgin but a female that has had sex with some virgin loser previous and is open to my charms and muscular body that can overwhelm them.

An emergency tip (if you really can't bear to look at her heart shaped ass any more without wanting to cut your own throat from frustration) is to accidentally fire the condom across to room while pretending to put it on. They won't want to have a condom inside them that has been in an ashtray ha! And make sure that you really turn your partner on first, like badly, so she will be susceptible to your ass-fucking advances at the right time, Then at that golden window of opportunity, while she is still really hot for you, you get your wicked way and can savour her nightmare groans and that overwhelmed and confused look on her face when she cums.

I am serious, no lie, I used to be this terrible. I have matured now into something much more hungry.
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#49962 - 02/26/11 10:43 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: hippochristian]
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@Hegesias Is it really that hard to get anal? I don't understand why someone would be so hesitant about it. While the measures you have gone to in order to get it are hilarious, it seems kind of silly that you would have to go that far.

Edited by XiaoGui17 (02/26/11 10:45 PM)
Edit Reason: This is a response to Hegesias, not hippochristian
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#49971 - 02/26/11 11:24 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Is it really that hard to get anal?


With some girls, yes it pretty damn hard. Though it has been my experience that if you really want it, most any girl will eventually give it up if you are persistent without pushing the issue too much.

Once they finally agree to it, alcohol and starting off slow can help to insure that you aren't stopped after 3 inches. Some women just can't handle it though.
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#49975 - 02/26/11 11:57 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Sorry, but I can't help being reminded of this clip

Some chicks just can't do anal. As in, physically can't do it. Do guys hold this against them?
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#49978 - 02/27/11 12:14 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Sorry, but I can't help being reminded of this clip

Some chicks just can't do anal. As in, physically can't do it. Do guys hold this against them?


That's hilarious. Also funny...

Physically can't do it? How does that work? Is their asshole sealed shut? How would they take a dump?

I've met some women who didn't know how to take it, or had been with men who didn't know how to give it, and endured traumatic experiences because of said ignorance. But I've never met a girl that couldn't do it if both parties knew what they were doing.
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#49980 - 02/27/11 12:18 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Nemesis]
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LOL! I love Archer.

"You killed a hooker!"

"Call girl."

"When they're dead they're just hookers!"

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't hold it against a girl if she can't do it. Just as long as there aren't a bunch of other things she can't/wont do. Some things are a must.

Edit: I have used the "just the tip" line on several occasions. I was lying every single time. ;\)


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#49981 - 02/27/11 12:30 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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HIT HER WITH A BRICK!!!!!!!! LMMFAO!!!!

Everybody knows you use a tire iron!

I've had lovers who liked anal sex and some who didn't, but I've pretty much considered it an optional activity. I wouldn't hold it against her if she didn't do it, although I would ask that she at least try once.

There once was a guy who wanted anal sex from his girlfriend, and she kept refusing him. So one day, he said, "Look, honey, I'll just stick it in once, and if it hurts, I'll stop."

She reluctantly agreed, and soon, he was plunging his hard hoo hoo ass and she screamed out in pain, "OH FUCK! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP! IT HURTS SO BAD!!!"

He continued until he got his rocks off and laid next to her breathing heavily while she screamed at him, "YOU BASTARD! YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD STOP IF IT HURT!"

He looked at her and said, "It didn't hurt. I think it felt GREAT!"
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#49996 - 02/27/11 10:08 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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No, I meant more along the lines of having rectal polyps or hemorrhoids. Something tells me that shoving a cock up there would not be in the best interest of a lady's rectum.
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#49998 - 02/27/11 10:31 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
No, I meant more along the lines of having rectal polyps or hemorrhoids. Something tells me that shoving a cock up there would not be in the best interest of a lady's rectum.


The idea of shoving ones penis up a hemorrhoid plagued poopshoot doesn't strike me as very appetizing. It might however be like a ribbed condom for the guy's pleasure.

Still, I think I'll pass on such an opportunity and have a beer instead.

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#49999 - 02/27/11 10:47 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Diavolo]
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The human papilloma virus inhabits the skin of humans. There are many versions of HPV, though a few will cause cancer. When you insert your willy into a mouth, bum, or vagina, or your tongue into the same, this virus may throw a wild party in the part it just jumped to and you will get cancer. The mouth cancers have a 50% mortality rate.
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#50024 - 02/27/11 03:27 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
No, I meant more along the lines of having rectal polyps or hemorrhoids. Something tells me that shoving a cock up there would not be in the best interest of a lady's rectum.


Ah. That's more a matter of "why would you want to?" than "why wouldn't she want to?"

 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
The idea of shoving ones penis up a hemorrhoid plagued poopshoot doesn't strike me as very appetizing.


Yeah... what he said.
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#50027 - 02/27/11 05:03 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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The point of my post was to expose something, there is no conspiracy if the female is turned on enough. Talking about such things will spoil it EVERY time. I just persuade physically, a woman's body is responsive even if they have a moral objection. Yes they do say it hurts at first but they don't mind because this turns into a deep pleasure/ pain sensation. If you make a female cum in this way you are doing it right. Damn I like Greek girls.

I have preferred the uptight and posh lady type in the past who would not dare to entertain the idea, it's just more overwhelming for them when it happens and the uncontrolled expression they come out with is most gratifying. Do your girl in the ass properly, it's severely intimate if you the male is sadist and she masochist, it's much like doing a virgin because she won't be able to control her reactions or fake anything to try and impress you or whatever, if you are doing this correctly they won't be able to do anything except be overwhelmed. I know personally that some women don't want to try it because they know they'll lose composure and moan like a wildebeest.

I don't always have sex like this I'm just a fiend for anything that overwhelms women, especially that which may be new to them, including romance and honesty works a charm. It differs on the partner, because obviously we are all different. This is why I'd never be good at Polyamory, I focus all my attention to being intuitive to one lady.

And if my girlfriend saw this she'd probably kill me. She's in Illinois now so I am safe for a few months till she comes back. I am doomed, these posts are non deletable......
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#50202 - 02/28/11 06:11 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Psychologically considered, this thread is splendid. For the muscular, sexual activity involved is the best remedy for dullness of Mind; and, christian religions are very apt to produce this undesirable effect. The trouble with most religions are that their Mind and body do not act in unison: their body is always seperated from their Mind. They imagine that there is a body and there is a Mind, and forget this seperation is merely ideational; therefore, artificial.

The sluggishness of Mind which is so frequently the effect of quietistic activity, is not at all conducive to the maturing of the sexual experience. The body kept busy will keep the Mind busy; thus, fresh, wholesome and alert.

Ciao ;\)
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#50203 - 02/28/11 06:22 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: paolo sette]
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Psychophysical awareness. Your post reminded me of what I felt was unnatural about the Jung personality test, that 'feeling' and 'thinking' were presented as somehow being estranged from one another. Likewise we see people taking to artifice in sexual experience.

Again my fetish is 'complete nakedness', of mind and body, only then will the ego die and the dark timelessness will engulf the lovers, something quite unattainable for some. I have been with some females that were so artificial and treat sex as a sport or something you learn tips about from their girl friends, very tragic and quite insulting, and odd. Some people have no drive and need to supplement with abstraction I guess.
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#50506 - 03/05/11 11:36 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Hegesias]
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My own private life is my own business. That said the doll in my avatar is mine although I am a male I appreciate them a lot I think they're really beautiful. My appreciation for them is sincere and it helps encourage my partner with her sewing and her awareness of her femininity. I am eternally grateful to Volks, Luts, and other doll companies from Korea and Japan for making these fine sculpts I am fortunate that I have a confidently female partner and not a partner who is averse to her own femininity. It is rare to see a girl in a summer dress anymore. I come from a generation brainwashed against the division of the sexes.

If any of you are considering having children soon a doll like the one in my avatar will be a treasure for them; an inspiration to their own self worth and the impulse to a creativity where they can entertain any fancy. Look up owners photos on Luts website for example.. it is hard to see owners photos unless you are a member on Den Of Angels (recommended).. its amazing to me to see what dolls look like and the owners who own them.. sometimes the doll is a model of the real person almost other times it is a wonderful escapism for what women may otherwise wear today. I also enjoy conventions there are girls who cosplay some adorable outfits.. it is a real shame that few have the confidence to wear their fanciful fashions in 'real life' anymore. But your doll or a convention is always a place to be free to do that.. I think many young girls who go to these conventions later realize they can meet friends and are confident to wear nice things on a regular basis. Learning to sew (with machine/pattern making etc..) is wonderful...

That said reading through this thread although I would want to share my passions with others of the opposite sex I am continually reminded of their lack of femininity and self-worth. My perspective on women from my generation:

It is hard to keep alcohol out of their hands. They always want to drink. They always want to do drugs. They always want to party. Gaming or any kind of hobby is beneath them. Leisure is anathema. Their life is just a whirlwind of drama and compulsions. and no one else seems worth it to me anyway.

The person in this thread who claims to have fucked 100 different people or whatever.. congratulations you must be a real misanthrope. I have more respect for people to want to be close to them than to fuck 99 times and drop them. I'm sure you keep in touch.


Edited by TrollovGrimness (03/05/11 11:54 PM)
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#50510 - 03/06/11 02:12 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
The person in this thread who claims to have fucked 100 different people or whatever.. congratulations you must be a real misanthrope. I have more respect for people to want to be close to them than to fuck 99 times and drop them. I'm sure you keep in touch.


There's a lot of speculation and assumption in this. High numbers don't necessarily indicate disregard or lack of respect. Honestly, your snap judgments with so little to base them on make it seem like you have a problem with empathy and understanding others, and that's a way bigger barrier to intimacy than any "body count."
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#50511 - 03/06/11 02:32 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
The person in this thread who claims to have fucked 100 different people or whatever.. congratulations you must be a real misanthrope. I have more respect for people to want to be close to them than to fuck 99 times and drop them. I'm sure you keep in touch.


There's a lot of speculation and assumption in this. High numbers don't necessarily indicate disregard or lack of respect. Honestly, your snap judgments with so little to base them on make it seem like you have a problem with empathy and understanding others, and that's a way bigger barrier to intimacy than any "body count."
This was very well put from both sides and makes a lot clear to educate people. My partner is in another country for 3 more months, this is why I'm on here really I think, I'm going insane and not once have I wanted to have relations with another female, sure I feel like fucking anything that emits heat right now but that's because I'm a man without his partner, however anything else apart from my partner is not good enough, I am one of those body worship people I guess I put her on a pedestal as my ideal.

I always hated getting to know a new females body responses after putting so much into a different female before, I know one thing, women are not universal and have different buttons. It's hard not to get attached and obsessive over one partner for me, I get obsessive deliberately because I like dark intimate relations, I detest casual sex play and see that kind of thing as sunny and lighthearted, anything half assed is pretty much rejected by me. If something is not intense then to me it's not worth much. Just my opinion.

Orgies could be intense? but I don't know personally. It'd be something that would certainly break down social barriers, but sooner or later somebody would freak out and seriously start engaging, this is when everyone fucking stops what they are doing to look at the pair doing it properly. Just conjecture.
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#50515 - 03/06/11 10:06 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Hegesias]
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General response:

Sex means something different to everyone.
Ranging from "sport fucking" to "making love". Even the two people involved in the fucking may view the act differently.

Some people use it as a tool, a weapon, a means to an end, or just to make a bunch of bastards. Depending on how you use it, reflects on how you view yourself and other people whether you realize it or not. Also, what you define as actual sex colors everything as well.

A lot of people take the self-righteous route because that way they can justify their own views on sex and feel better about themselves and their lack of experience.

Some people enjoy the casualness of orgies, others find them boring. The same with multiple partners, some like the casualness, others go beyond the casualness into a more stable multi-partner relationship.

Some people think by turning a monogamy relationship into a open swinging affair, it will save the relationship, most times, it just dooms it to a quicker death. Not everyone can handle the actual viewing of your partner fucking someone else verses the threesome fantasy.

In the end it doesn't matter what other people think or feel or how they view you. What does matter is what works well for yourself and whomever you choose to fuck as a partner or play toy.

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#50517 - 03/06/11 10:22 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Morgan]
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Well said my dear.

I've been having sex with quite a lot of women who see it as an expression of love while I am just fucking them. Some might find comfort in love and limit their sexual practices solely into that context but others view love as quite a silly thing and consider sex like eating at a fine restaurant or drinking excellent wine. Masturbation would then be the equivalent of a hamburger and diet-coke.

Those (un)lucky enough to experience the psychological roller-coaster my relations are, will find out I consider nothing sacred about sex, and when the inevitable end of that relation has come, realize not to expect a christmas card either.

Does that really make me a misanthrope? I do not think so.

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#50522 - 03/06/11 06:01 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness

The person in this thread who claims to have fucked 100 different people or whatever.. congratulations you must be a real misanthrope. I have more respect for people to want to be close to them than to fuck 99 times and drop them. I'm sure you keep in touch.


To answer your condescending statement. Bite me.

And yes, I do keep in touch with a number of woman that I have been intimate with, and that part of their relationship with me is at their discretion. I would have no illusions that I am "a nice guy," but one word that I don't think anyone could use with me is misanthrope... well, maybe some wet-behind-the-ears "student,"

I am misanthropic enough to have been married to one woman for 42 years and in a polyamorous relationship for the past 20. While I have the freedom to explore relationships with other women... and who knows one could stimulate me intellectually enough to make it worth considering... I remain with them in our polyfidelic relationship, and care for my legal wife's aged and Alzheimer's afflicted mother as if she were my own... altruistic? No. Family.

So yes, I've spent a portion of my 6 decades on the planet enjoying the favors of women as they have seen grace to extend to me. Sorry I couldn't live up to your standards. Buy a new Barbie on me.
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#50524 - 03/06/11 08:11 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Jake999]
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I take condescending tones I guess to people who bug me about my private sex life. And then take condescending tone to me that I am not out fucking 100 different people, so therefor, am not as cool as them or something

I mention a bit about my doll just because someone or many people assumed me to be a female I am a male. And, the I live with my partner.. who has other dolls.. and introduced them to me.. so ya.

I am in a relationship I get enough sex thank you.


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#50525 - 03/06/11 08:38 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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You might want to get your facts straight, jerk. I have made three posts in this thread and said NOTHING derogatory to or about you. Nothing. I only mentioned your dolls after you decided to lay your condescending tone on me.

I don't give a rats ass about your sex life. But I take shit from no one... go fuck yourself.
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#50527 - 03/06/11 09:24 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
I take condescending tones I guess to people who bug me about my private sex life.


I wasn't knocking you for your lack of experience so much as knocking you for claiming to be able to speak universally on what sex is like for everyone in spite of your lack of experience. Simply put, you're defensive, you're narrow-minded, and you suck at reading comprehension. Those are the things about you that bug me; I couldn't give a crap less about your sex life.
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#50542 - 03/07/11 03:26 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
Hello,

My question is I see it has become more and more trendy to be 'bi-sexual'.


Well; If I remember correctly t'was the Hite-Report (or one of them at least) who suggested that approx. 5% of the worlds population is heterosexual, 5% of the worlds population is homosexual, and that the remaining 90% be more or less bisexual.
In other words; bisexuality is the norm...
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#50556 - 03/07/11 11:10 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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It's funny, to me, that you bitch in moan about people talking about your "private sex life" and then immediately turn around and try and place your own value judgments on the sex life of another.

I've never been one to keep track of how many women I have slept with but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that I have been with over 100. Do I keep in touch with most of them? Certainly not. Many of them I had never met before or seen after. Others and I have just grown apart over the years and don't talk anymore for whatever reason. And still others I don't talk to because we ended our relationship on bad terms.

If that makes me a "bad person" - C'est La Vie - "I yam what I yam".
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#50565 - 03/07/11 03:40 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Over the course of my life I've heard a lot of rationalizations and judgments regarding people who enjoy multiple sex partners, but referring to them as misanthropes is a first. Honestly, it weakens the word and as a man who considers himself both a misanthrope AND a horndog, I have to add that the two can be (and usually are) totally separate and even create a nice dichotomy. True, sex is the only reason I have interacted with many of the folks I have (online conversations aside, obviously). Their bodies were the only thing they had to offer that I was interested in pursuing. That doesn’t make me as misanthropic as it makes me discerning. It’s no different than employing any other positive quality someone may have, for a mutual benefit. I hired my assistant because she is great for administrative work. I wouldn’t bang her because that isn’t where her most obvious talents lie. Likewise, I’ve had sex with women who stimulate me in only one way as I am a fetishist to the core. It doesn’t mean I hated or mistrusted them in a misanthropic way. Rather, it means I find one’s best qualities and enjoy them.

I don’t think that makes me any more of a misanthrope than an adult man who play with dolls. Hehehe…had to. ;\)

And as a guy who surpassed the 100-hole mark before his 21st birthday, I can also say that the bisexual explosion (pardon the pun) may not be as dismissible as a mere youth-trend. Perhaps since it is no longer a freakishly big deal to admit you also like playing with the same gender, that more people in fact feel comfortable to do so. I think the desires have always been there with the bulk of the population, but now people are just bored with being so guarded about it.
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#50572 - 03/07/11 08:26 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Mitch Koch]
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Being practical and to-the-point, sex never wastes time or words in explanation. Its "answers" are always curt and pithy, and there is nothing to constitute a prolix in sex. If we are not aware and alert to catch a wink, we probably will miss the mark to begin either intentionally or non-intentionally. For instance, compare sex to lightning. The rapidity does not compose sex, but the naturalness, its freedom from artificialty, its being expressive, its originality--these are the essential characteristics. If we desire to get into the core of sex, then one must be careful not to be carried away on imaginative fantasy.

The posts given above stem from the literal and logical, but depending on the intention of those statements it would be misleading to try to see and understand from another's viewpoint. As far as they are given as strict answers to sexual problems, they may be solutions and pointers by which we may know where to look. But, we must not forget that finger pointing remains a finger and under no circumstances can it be changed into the experience itself. Danger always lurks where one slyly creeps in and takes the index for an experience.

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#79337 - 08/17/13 09:08 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Woland]
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 Originally Posted By: Woland
 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
Hello,

My question is I see it has become more and more trendy to be 'bi-sexual'.


Well; If I remember correctly t'was the Hite-Report (or one of them at least) who suggested that approx. 5% of the worlds population is heterosexual, 5% of the worlds population is homosexual, and that the remaining 90% be more or less bisexual.
In other words; bisexuality is the norm...


See also: Robert Epstein, included is a preliminary test for MSO/SOR.

When dealing with trendy things, there is a social trend of just coming out with it. People are obsessed with discussing sex, their sex lives, and classifying human behaviors into categories. Human Sexuality is becoming less Taboo to talk about but it's still a taboo subject. It's usually dealt with as a convenient time or place when it's appropriate to discuss it.

Some people go out of their way to break social taboos such as the case with the Vagina Monologues. Eve Ensler started a trend with creating monologues to spark dialogues. Before you can discuss sex, you first have to address how comfortable you are with your own body.

In the case of the youth talking outwardly about their own orientations, they are part of the Next of would-be adults to shape societal views. Naturally it will include some annoying behaviors but no better or worse than adult behavior, in truth.

The point is, from an early age kids are told to hide their bodies, be decent, that natural human behaviors are shamed such as nudity, curiosity and then of course, sexual maturity. Society deems the age of maturity far older than it actually is. Women sexually mature younger than men, all of which occurs in flux with the age of consent (law) in any given country.

Themes in the SB are addressing the heterodox way of liberation through self-realization. These themes aren't limited to 'Satanic' material either. Any piece of literature on human sexuality can cause an internal conflict.

Monogamy is taught to nurture the nuclear family, abstinence to ensure innocence and protection and in some cases for religious piety. Concepts of polyamory are just another way to create the 'family' within a relationship. Polygamy is still shunned (and deemed illegal in the U.S.), even if consenting adults make this decision for themselves. Promiscuity is still regarded as an evil, even by people in a LHP mindset. Equally, if you personally practice monogamy as a natural equilibrium forms, this too is otherized as your programming.

At the end of the day there is only you and your thoughts and behaviors. Whether you contemplate them and/or address them is up to you.
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#79424 - 08/18/13 12:38 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: SIN3]
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What's the deal with the adult male who owns a doll? I don't get it, does he have sex with it or something?

I mean, I'm pretty open-minded in the sense that I understand there will be people appreciating things that I might not find at all interesting. But in a vacuum, if I learn that some guy is playing with a doll, I will take the mental shortcut of assuming he's... erm, disabled or something.

It's kind of like people who give human names their articles of clothing. Seriously, what the fuck.

Anyway, I learned about polyamory when I was in a toxic relationship that, at the time, I didn't the wisdom to see I wanted out. Honestly, if a layman asks me what polyamory is, I will tell him or her "Polyamory is the word used by socially awkward nerds to describe non-monogamy."

They say it's not about sex, but about deep, meaningful connections with multiple people. Blah, blah, blah. If it quacks like a duck...

The vibe I got from every "polyamorous" person is, well, that sexual competition is evil. Seems to me that polyamory is sex for communists: Let's all share everybody, weeeeeeeeeeeeee!

When in doubt, I turn to science. Not culture, not religion, not societal standards.

Here are some facts:

- Women have the capacity to pop out a baby once every 9 to 15 months (I've heard claims that uninterrupted breast feeding delays a woman's ability to get pregnant for up to six months).

- Men have the capacity to deliver sperm as frequently as every 10 minutes.

- Women are guaranteed that the baby sliding out their vagina is going to be theirs.

- Men don't have that guarantee.

- Neither men nor women are interested in wasting finite resources on raising somebody else's child.

- Men who have a genetic predisposition to promiscuity, and are able to successfully impregnate many women, will have more children running around, also likely carrying that gene.

- In contrast, bitch-men who are happy to raise some douchebag's child will end up with fewer biological children of their own, if any.

- "Sexually empowered" women who whore themselves around are less likely to secure the long-term interest of an especially viable man who understands he has many, many options. Lucky for them, there are plenty passive, balding tools who'll help raise an unknown daddy's baby.

- A woman who fucks 100 men in a year will still only pop out one baby in that year. Astute men will recognize that she's a slut, and many of them will not want to stick around to help raise a child that is very likely not theirs.

- BOTH sexes experience sexual jealousy. But for very, very different reasons. Daddy needs to be sure he's not spending his money on the milkman's child. Mommy needs to be sure Daddy won't take off with some skank, and his paycheck with him.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard it all before. "Sex is more than just about procreation. We're higher up than animals, we are not so simple. Sex is a beautiful expression of love (lol @ this one)." And so on.

We fuck to make little bastards. PERIOD. End of discussion. Just as we eat to consume and absorb nutritious goodies that our bodies can use to repair themselves, have energy, and, well, generally postpone death.

The fact that sex feels good and food tastes yummy is NOT a refutation of what I just said. Instead, those good feelings need to be recognized for what they actually are: a damn good motivator to come back for more!

To assume that we, as humans, are somehow on an elite level is disgustingly arrogant and also the source of much confusion.

Of course, if sex was perceived objectively and no pleasure would be had from it (physically felt and emotionally perceived), we wouldn't be up to 7 billion by now, that's for sure.
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#79442 - 08/18/13 05:14 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Vladislav]
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I know a shit ton of nerdy-type guys that collect 'Action Figures', they are just dolls aren't they? For example, my Father-in-Law collects Star Wars figures, he has a room designated for his collection. He has everything from the rare finds to the latest and greatest. To say he's a fan is an under-statement. It's his hobby. Does he play with them? Definitely, especially when the grand-kids come over, he's a big kid himself. He's neither disabled or retarded. He's actually a well-rounded, down to earth and funny guy. We trade Horror Films all the time and I've gone through is collection of figures many times. He actually gets quite excited to show me new purchases and talk about the character traits.

The OP seems to be addressing the idea that he finds a specific type of doll 'art' and appreciates them as a way to support his partner. In relationships, the participants often take up each other's interests as their own. It's not that unusual really. Maybe it comes off a bit strange the way he's written about it, there seems to be a focus on his partner's femininity expressed through the appreciation of 'girly things' like dolls.

Some may believe that a male doll-collector is neurotic, just plain weird, or even 'Gay' but some of my most favored art-dolls were actually made by male doll-makers. Quite talented artists in their chosen craft. I make dolls myself and I appreciate the craft of the hand-made doll.

As far as Polyamory goes, I've seen all kinds of shit around here in Virginia. Especially with pagan communities. It's actually fairly common. It's more communal living than anything else, there is usually a 'Head of Household', which may be Male or Female. An associate of mine is an older woman that is legally married to one man but has two other male partners. They all share in the daily chores, errands/tasks, caring for kids and all that jazz. It's all very amicable and they all appear to be getting on quite well over the years. I've known her for about ten years now. She's post-menopause so no more kids will be coming out of that 'marriage'.

Not to say, some of it isn't just a sex-based thing. People formulate poly relationships all the time as a way to keep it all interesting.

There's the BDSM sub-culture to consider too. I also have associates that are in a Dom/Sub poly dynamic. The subbies aren't just used for sex, there is a 'family' quality to it but there's plenty of it that's just to have a constant and consistent source of stimulation. When you hang out with dynamic people, you are bound to gain exposure to all kinds of 'relationships', I've been invited to these poly things many times over the years. Can't really say it's my thing.

People that are responsible with sex vs. child-rearing can usually avoid producing kids just fine. Our design is surely to procreate but the need to and want to is another matter.



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#79461 - 08/18/13 10:56 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I dont care about bisexuality and polyamory being 'trendy', rather I explore my own heart and sexuality - an ongoing adventure - and do what works for me. Unless you're a social scientist, the opinions and trends of others means nothing if you know your own mind. And as far as what Men and Women want, I cant say. I only meet individuals, and they are are all different in their own way.

Some people join trends and find they dont work for them, then badmouth the whole thing as if IT is a failure and not them. I've met a number of people who try polyamory while at the same time maintaining a monogamous mindset, and so it doesnt work. Of course it doesnt! its not for everyone. As for me, I am in a full-time D/S relationship with my Mistress / girlfriend, and we are both polyamorous, giving ourselves the freedom to pursue relationships with other people who truly interest us. "Many loves" differentiates itself from swinging by involving actual commitments and emotional involvement with other people. It is anything but easy, but I found monogamy to be much harder in its (to me) unnatural demands. Its one of the best "ways of life" I have found, allowing me to remain with one I love while she and I both experience other people we are drawn to. We even double-date with our poly partners, cuz, well, we all get along \:\)

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#79515 - 08/20/13 12:55 PM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Werbinox]
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If women didn't want it as much as men, then a non-reality full of lesbians and gays would exist. Perhaps even hermits to a further degree. I can assure you that society has not reached the point of population by artificial insemination. We still do it the old fashion way. So how is your insane observations suppose to make sense?

Yes we all like it so just find women more in tuned to your desires.


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#79835 - 08/27/13 05:15 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness

That said reading through this thread although I would want to share my passions with others of the opposite sex I am continually reminded of their lack of femininity and self-worth. My perspective on women from my generation:

It is hard to keep alcohol out of their hands. They always want to drink. They always want to do drugs. They always want to party. Gaming or any kind of hobby is beneath them. Leisure is anathema. Their life is just a whirlwind of drama and compulsions. and no one else seems worth it to me anyway.

The person in this thread who claims to have fucked 100 different people or whatever.. congratulations you must be a real misanthrope. I have more respect for people to want to be close to them than to fuck 99 times and drop them. I'm sure you keep in touch.


Lol @ "lack of femininity". What exactly constitutes that to you? Only having sex in a committed relationship, never cursing, or drinking, and just being a dainty helpless thing who can't do anything without her "man"? This sort of attitude is one of the reasons I have grown to despise monogamy, and all that it stands for. People are made to feel inadequate, or that something is wrong with them, if they dont commit to one person. Ive never been in a committed relationship, Ive slept with over 50 women, and I feel no shame in any of it. I have no plans on getting married, but I have talked about having kids with one of my good female friends, whom I am intimate with on a constant basis. We both agree that monogamy and marriage are a load of BS designed to keep people under control, and keep people in a constant state of guilt. In my ideal household, I would have a few female partners, and tasks would be shared between them. For instance, instead of having to use the entire prime of her life to watch over and raise kids, the responsibility can be lifted from one of the women every so often, giving them ample time to pursue interests, go on trips, etc. and the responsibilities can be rotated as needed. Of course, not everyone sees my logic, and thats fine, provided they keep out of my own business and stick with their own misanthropic ways.

And yes, I am implying that many monogamous people are misanthropic. Most of the people I know who are totally committed to each other, have no friends, and rarely associate with others other than one another. What a sad life, like a rat boxed in, with only a single lever to push to get the only enjoyment out of life that it knows.

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#79838 - 08/27/13 05:43 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: HisDivineShadow]
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 Quote:
I am implying that many monogamous people are misanthropic. Most of the people I know who are totally committed to each other, have no friends, and rarely associate with others other than one another. What a sad life, like a rat boxed in, with only a single lever to push to get the only enjoyment out of life that it knows.


Nail/head

Shit is the pits. It starts off all well and good until one partner wants to be consumed by the other. No real interest in doing anything else, with anyone else. People wonder why long-term relationships become volatile, it's because this type of thing is just unhealthy.
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#80130 - 09/02/13 08:11 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: SIN3]
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I am an advocate of non-monogamy. A reluctant one, at that.

However, what I believe most people fail to recognize is that the leap from being completely single to completely committed (to one person) is MUCH, MUCH bigger than the leap from being committed to one person to now being committed to multiple people.

It's amazing how people who say that non-monogamy is "wrong" are almost always the same people who forget that, even in a monogamous relationship, you are putting into an intimately close coexistence two separate individuals.

The notion of "true love" is sickeningly unhealthy, as presented by Disney. You are TWO people--NEVER one conjoined "soul" or any of that crap. Especially after the hormones fizz out (i.e. honeymoon stage fades away), there will be inevitable differences between who wants to do what.

RE: I am implying that many monogamous people are misanthropic. Most of the people I know who are totally committed to each other, have no friends, and rarely associate with others other than one another. What a sad life, like a rat boxed in, with only a single lever to push to get the only enjoyment out of life that it knows.

I DO believe that most monogamous couples end up in a situation as suicidally boring as the one you described. However, I don't feel that the practice of monogamy is what's to blame. I believe it's the two people practicing monogamy that are to blame.

Because, after all, most of our "friends" are nothing more than vehicles we use to find sex.
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#80132 - 09/02/13 08:35 AM Re: Polyamory (Satanic Sex chapter of Satanic Bible) [Re: Vladislav]
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I don't feel that the practice of monogamy is what's to blame. I believe it's the two people practicing monogamy that are to blame.


I tend to agree with you, though there seems to be a specific type of person that is attracted to the practice of Monogamy.
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