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#47077 - 01/20/11 05:06 PM On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible)
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This chapter primarily concerns itself with advising interested future self-described Satanists on what isn't Satanism instead of what is. Reading this chapter in particular it seems LaVey lost an opportunity to expand on Satanism the way he would practice it.

I'm mainly talking about the very first page of this chapter which seems like there is a ritual buried in there unto itself.. however would form the foundation to the later chapters on ritual magic if put into practice.

Past decade or so has seen a lot of people discover reiki (wikipedia this). Anton Szandor LaVey himself had an interest in the work of Dr. Wilhelm Reich.

My question is... Here on that page of the Satanic Bible LaVey seems to be advocating that practicing Satanists sacrifice their lifeforce in ritual. And he makes direct parallel to bioelectricity of the human body. This seems to be something that almost all Satanists I have seen talk about Satanic Ritual completely skip over and seems to be the #1 hurdle of Satanists including myself to understand the physical nature of ritual.

Am I mistaken or is that reiki in the Satanic Bible just hiding there inconspicuously for like 40yrs?

In the living world, orgone energy functions underlie major life processes; pulsation, streaming, and charge of the biological orgone determines the movements, actions, and behavior of protoplasm and tissues, as well as the strength of "bioelectrical" phenomena. Emotion is the ebb and flow, the charge and discharge of the orgone within the membrane of an organism, just as weather is the ebb and flow, the charge and discharge of the orgone in the atmosphere. Both organism and weather respond to the prevailing character and state of the life energy. Orgone energy functions appear across the whole of creation, in microbes, animals, stormclouds, hurricanes, and galaxies. Orgone energy is not only charges and animates the natural world; we are immersed in a sea of it, much as a fish is immersed in water. More, it is the medium which communicates emotion and perception, and made kin to all that is living.
-Dr. Wilhelm Reich


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#47100 - 01/20/11 09:56 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Unfortunately nearly anytime _TSB_ gets near the metaphysical it seems to get weak. Certainly the focus of the work was to solidify a particular philosophy which is does very well. Blood sacrifices of any kind aren't practiced by The Church of Satan. Any speculation as to the nature of them in that context is just that, as there are no results to speak of. Mostly, that chapter is a history lesson if anything and all that is mentioned is "symbolic sacrifice". LaVey really didn't get into these matters much, but considering his book was available at every major bookstore he may have just wanted to avoid problems with parents caused by stupid teenagers.

Us traditional Satanists have a different take on these matters entirely in that we believe that we can offer our energy to a purpose with our blood. It's perhaps symbolic as well, but it is a very real offering. The amount used of course is nothing more than a pin prick would generate. Never do we use anyones but our very own in any case.

We do not view our practices as strictly symbolic either so therein lies much of the difference. Generally, the gist of it is that if you are willing to bleed for it then it is important enough for you to work your magic for it. But, some of us do not partake in that its merely personal choice.

But, a typical Satanic response would be to you... anything is allowed as long as you're not going to jail for it. :P

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#47101 - 01/20/11 10:02 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Mindmaster]
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I recommend looking it a book called the Orgone Accumulator Handbook. LaVey in the very bottom portion of that first page of that chapter very specifically mentions it as a bioelectric energy which can be expended without shedding a single drop of blood or sacrificing any life.

its more like sacrificing and shedding emotion. Emotional bioelectric energy is held as tension in the muscles which forms a person's armor. Orgone therapy (?) deals with relaxing these tensions and a welling-up of emotion is the result.
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#47187 - 01/22/11 03:20 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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If you like orgone generators you might also like quartz crystals, for they can be programmed and used at various rituals to amplify your intent and thoughts, or to keep nexions open.

Real human sacrifice is still practiced today by some groups, however many of them are against involuntary sacrifices.

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#47188 - 01/22/11 03:30 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Ares]
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How does one "program" a crystal? Furthermore, how do they amplify thoughts and intent? If I wanted to do that I would use a PA system to announce them.
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#47247 - 01/23/11 12:52 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Ok, I have questions:

How much orgone energy does it take to power a light bulb?

How much memory can I get on a crystal?

Given all of the human sacrifices the US has made over the last 9 years of war, why is gas over $3.00 a gallon?

Can you charge a Chevy Volt off an orgone generator? Can you prime the pump with fresh souls?

What frequency is an orgone generator working at? Can it be rectified into something in the 60hrz range?

Why is this site now attracting such a huge array of morons lately?

Honestly, I want to know.

Thanks.
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#47252 - 01/23/11 01:36 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Fist]
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 Quote:

Why is this site now attracting such a huge array of morons lately?

A question which is pondering my mind from the moment I am catching up with the discussions since I left 3 weeks ago.

Now at the OP:
I hardly think there was a "hint" towards reiki in the SB hidden for 40 years. I'm more inclined to think you are simply seeing things which aren't there. Not really a problem, you wouldn't be the first to see secret messages... clickie
Admitted some did it on purpose.
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#47256 - 01/23/11 03:04 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Dimitri]
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The supposed purpose in performing the ritual of sacrifice is to throw the energy provided by the blood of the freshly slaughtered victim into the atmosphere of the magical working, thereby intensifying the magicians chances of success.
The "white" magician assumes that since blood represents the life force, there is no better way to appease the gods or demons than to present sufficient quantities of it. Combine this rationale with the fact that a dying creature is expending an overabundance of adrenal and other bioelectric energies, and you have what appears to be an unbeatable combination.
The "white" magician wary of the consequences involved in the killing of a human being, naturally utilizes birds, or other "lower" creatures in his ceremonies. It seems these sanctimonious wretches feel no guilt in the taking of a non-human life, as opposed to an human's.
The fact of the matter is that if the "magician" is worthy of his name, he will be uninhibited enough to release the necessary force from his own body, instead of from an unwilling and undeserving victim!
Contrary to all established magical theory, the release of this force is NOT effected in the actual spilling of blood, but in the death throes of the living creature! This discharge of energy is the very same phenomenon which occurs during the heightening of the emotions, such as: sexual orgasm, blind anger, mortal terror, consuming grief, etc.
- Anton Szandor LaVey

Right where I said it was. "On The Choice Of Human Sacrifice". Satanic Bible

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from the bibliography located at the back of the Satanic Witch:

Reich, Wilhelm -- Character Analysis
Reich, Wilhelm -- The Function Of The Orgasm from Orgone institute press.

Straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
btw, "Function Of The Orgasm" is not so much about the human orgasm it's figurative of the release of bioelectric tension. It's a psychoanalytic therapy method that deals with helping a patient go through some kind of emotional release. Hard to explain. But you can do it yourself. This is what the TOV deals with actually.

but they go about it in a retarded manner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBVxI_ms8ZE

^ He has like 4 videos about this.

I make this thread because I think its interesting and I know a lot of Satanists gloss over that part of Satanic Bible. LaVey doesnt describe it well enough but it is there. From the beginning.


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#47258 - 01/23/11 04:14 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Many Satanists are well aware of bioelectric energy... and are also well aware of Wilhelm Reich and his research. What do you consider "a lot" of Satanists, and how many actual SATANISTS do you KNOW? Broad brushes simply cover more area. but do not necessarily cover well.

For anyone who might be interested in Wilhelm Reich and his work, I can recommend FURY ON EARTH by Myron Sharaf, being a biography of Wilhelm Reich. My copy is hardback and ran about $35, but Amazon has a paperback edition for about $18.00, and well worth it at either price.

Both Reich and Tesla are gentlemen who receive short shrift in the annals of history, but one can't discount their contributions and their insights.
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#47264 - 01/23/11 05:35 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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And your point being? (None I would guess).
While the ritualist section on the SB (or the SR for that matter) is worthy enough for occult studies and exploring thought-provoking and perhaps mind-altering ideas when done properly, it simply can also be seen as "filler".

Personally I'm not a great fan for the usage of "bioelectricity". The contonation/usage of bioelectricity within texts like these most of the time indicate the belief in a "vis vitalis" or in other words QI, chi, KI,.. which, with all due respect, is a middle-age belief from which should be stepped aside.

When performing ritual magic and even before starting setting one up, do make sure you actually "get" where it comes from and in what kind of mindset these ideas are rooted in.


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#47265 - 01/23/11 05:35 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Jake999]
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Anton LaVey glosses over it in Satanic Bible. He explains ritual magic from a different angle. He doesn't really elucidate on it the way the Temple Of The Vampire has. But it is in there and thought it would be of interest.

And yes I missed out on that for a long time. After a bunch of cautionary instruction he just writes like 1 sentence on it

I feel like all TOV did was flesh out that part of Satanic Bible with more detail. Then the author(s) (uncredited) just colored it up in thematics and trappings etc.. And for me this just ruined the appeal. A lot of what that organization believes in and what members seem to believe is a lot of assumption . Certainly built upon foundations that are verifiable. It is based largely on scientific experiments and literature of Reich's. 'Reiki' masters today are using Reich's therapy and selling it as new age spiritualism . Literally. All they're doing is his therapy.


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#47266 - 01/23/11 05:46 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Jake999]
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I am not sure I would put Reich in the same league with Tesla. Tesla gave us AC power, three phase power generation, radio, and the AC motor. He held nearly 300 patents. He either invented or improved nearly everything used today in modern electricity generation and distribution. His inventions have touched nearly everything that generates an electromagnetic field.

I give you a dollar if you can show me one of Reich's inventions that actually did something.

Reich was a second rate psychologist, and a garden variety Marxist. He was very popular in the Age of Aquarius, womens lib set of the late 60's and early 70's. Pretty much all of the New Ageisms alive today stem from his influence on 'Beat' culture in the late 50's.
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#47269 - 01/23/11 06:14 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Fist]
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I have yet to use orgone to charge any batteries.

I cant comment on all his research and theories etc only that the emotions in bioelectric tension of the musculature phenomenon that he is talking about... is real.

this is done in reiki and people will spend hundreds and thousands of dollars for it. and it is real. and there are dozens and hundreds of testimony of its reality. just google 'reiki' you'll find dozens of written testimony of experience


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#47273 - 01/23/11 07:43 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
[...]I make this thread because I think its interesting and I know a lot of Satanists gloss over that part of Satanic Bible. LaVey doesnt describe it well enough but it is there. From the beginning.


Yes, but also check other sources, not only the Satanic Bible, especially for material on orgone etc. Without anything special it has potential to increase your power and effectiveness of any ritual, however there may be interesting results if you charge or discharge it during rituals. I am not sure yet what is the best way to accumulate energy and then discharge it.

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#47280 - 01/23/11 10:08 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Ares]
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TOV has a pretty good description of how someone would do that. But as I said there is fair amount to what is written in their books which is a needless addition. My problem with that organization is that everyone who wants to sell books on the occult, or reiki even, need some kind of pitch. There are a large number of different reiki 'systems' all claiming different things. TOV is yet just another of these. And my biggest problem with them that I take issue with and the way they do things is A) Complete lack of sense of humor and B) They never let on where the dividing lines are between what the authors and practioners believe and what they truly know. That's the unfortunate thing about things written on 'reiki' in past several years is that it can be difficult especially to those who are neophytes to see what is true diluted from the embellishment.

Its hard for me to recommend TOV because I find their books confusing it is a really odd way to disseminate their knowledge. A lot of it is pretty straightforward although it will be clear if you read the public portions of their message boards that a lot of people are and will be confused.


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#47281 - 01/23/11 10:21 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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“The Frankenstein Legacy”
- by Michael A. Aquino IV°
The Cloven Hoof #V-2, March-April VIII/1973
The Church of Satan

Shortly after the release of “The Secrets of Life and Death” in our last issue, a message arrived from the High Priest suggesting we take a look at a book entitled Wilhelm Reich and Orgonomy by Ola Raknes (Baltimore: Pelican, 1971). Muttering something about Japanese paper-folding, we picked up a copy of the paperback in question. Now Wilhelm Reich is someone about whom you either know or do not know. Those under 30 tend not to know about him, which is not - as you will see - all that surprising.

Reich was born in 1897 CE in the German-Ukrainian part of Austria. Until 1915 he lived on his father’s farm, although he graduated from a German secondary school. After serving as a lieutenant in the Austrian Army in World War I, Reich entered the University of Vienna, receiving a Doctor of Medicine degree in 1922. He then became the Clinical Assistant of Sigmund Freud’s Psychoanalytic Clinic in Vienna, rising to the post of Vice-Director in 1928. During the same period he served on the faculty of the Psychoanalytic Institute in Vienna. It was with the coming of the great depression in Germany, however, that Reich’s life was to take a peculiar turn which was to lead him along certain strange and previously unexplored paths of physiological research.

Communism in the late twenties did not carry the automatic stigma that Stalin’s brutality was later to bring to it. In the midst of the depression, Reich sought membership in the party, maintaining that it was preferable to the tyranny of fascism. He told the communists that man must have sexual as well as economic freedom, and they promptly threw him out of the party [an incident which was not lost on George Orwell!].

As one might expect, the Nazis took an immediate dislike to Reich once they came to power. In 1933 he narrowly escaped imprisonment, fleeing first to Denmark and then to Sweden. Then, upon the invitation of the Director of the University of Oslo’s Institute of Psychology, he went to Norway, where he was to reside until 1939. Subsequently he received an invitation to lecture at the New School for Social Research in New York, and he remained there as an Associate Professor. In 1950 he moved to a personal research center in Maine, living there until shortly before his death in 1957.

The problem was that Wilhelm Reich discovered - or at least thought he discovered - the secret of organic life. This interesting development occurred as a consequence of his early research into the significance of the human sexual orgasm cycle.

At the University of Oslo Reich formulated his original orgasm formula: mechanical tension = bioelectric charge = bioelectric discharge = relaxation. As may be seen from this formula, Reich first supposed sexual energy to be a form of electricity.

Reich then decided to see what might happen if he were to stimulate this same four-part process in unliving matter. In various experiments he would sterilize dry grass or coal dust, heat them, and put them into sterile, nutritive solutions. Some of the particles were seen to swell into vesicles that moved of their own accord. Reich’s critics considered these only the well-known Brownian molecular movements, but his supporters claimed they appeared totally dissimilar under the microscope.

At any rate Reich himself was convinced that he had unlocked the key to life. He published the results of his first experiments in Die Bione, a book first released in 1938. In it he described the new vesicles as bione and argued that they demonstrated the phenomenon of biogenesis.

In 1939 Reich made a further discovery. While continuing his bionic research, he professed to find a new kind of energy radiating from the bions - one which did not obey the laws for the known forms of energy. Its concentration was seen to increase in the more active life-forms (such as man), and the conjunction of two systems bearing this energy would result in the weaker charge being transferred to the heavier charge - not the expected equalization process. Reich called this new energy orgone.

At about this point Reich began to get into trouble. As a psychologist he had achieved an international reputation, but these new experiments were distinctly alarming. The fact that they stemmed from sexual techniques didn’t help matters any.

In spite of growing public skepticism and then antagonism, Reich continued his orgone investigations. From 1940 to 1943 he attempted to ascertain whether external orgone radiation would inhibit the usual orgone metabolism causing - according to his theory - cancer. He found that when the degenerative process had not gone too far, it might be halted or even reversed. And in 1945 he announced what he called primary biogenesis - the creation of life without the use of any preexisting organic material. He did this by taking bionous earth, mixing it with water, and sterilizing the compound. It was then filtered, frozen into ice, and finally thawed. The water now contained substances resembling tiny yellow snowflakes, which would develop first into live cells and then into various types of protozoa.

Reich’s orgone experiments became more and more startling. He developed an “orgone accumulator” - a specially designed, insulated cabinet that would trap orgone and transfer it to the body of a person seated within the cabinet. He produced a device known as a “cloudbuster”, which he claimed would encourage or discourage the formation of rainclouds. His formula of cosmic superimposition professed to explain the creation of stars and galaxies through the meeting of two or more orgone streams.

Had Wilhelm Reich been classified as an outright quack, it is probable that no more attention would have been paid to him than to a snake-oil peddler. The disturbing thing, however, was that he was an internationally renowned scientist. His experiments were carried out in a careful, methodical manner, and he could talk on equal terms with Freud and Einstein, both of whom proved unable to fault his orgone theories. Many Ph.D. holders [including Raknes] first came to Reich expecting to expose inaccuracies in his formulæ. One after the other they came to admit that there was scientific validity in the methods that he used.

Popular criticism of this new “Dr. Frankenstein” began to increase. Not the least of the enmity came from religious institutions, who charged that he was violating divine laws in his “shocking” pursuits. Finally the controversy became too much for even the United States. The Food and Drug Administration sought and won a court injunction forbidding Reich from selling or transporting his orgone cabinets across state lines. Reich, having a naïve confidence in the course of American justice, ignored the injunction. He was arrested, his equipment confiscated, and his unsold books burned in their New York City storehouses. Sentenced to the Federal Penitentiary at Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, he died in 1957 after serving only a few months.

The injunction, of course, continued in force. The name and writings of Reich were effectively suppressed for more than a decade. Only with the general relaxation of censorship in the first few years of the Satanic Age have his books begun to be reissued. Certain conclusions of Reich and his co-workers may seem glaringly erroneous in the light of present-day medical knowledge. But other aspects of life as contained in our DNA research bear a sobering correlation to Reich’s theories and arguments.

It is not our purpose to either condone or condemn Wilhelm Reich. Nevertheless we feel most strongly that he should be given a full hearing, even if it must be post-mortem. You are urged to consider both sides of the coin, examining serious criticism of Reich’s conclusions as well as his own arguments on their behalf.
While we understand that Reich’s original research center ceased to function following his death, current information on orgonomy may be secured by writing to: Orgonomic Publications, Post Office Box 476, Ansonia Station, New York, New York 10023. [Or, 2011-uodated, try this.]

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#47291 - 01/24/11 08:48 AM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Ok, I have questions:


And I have humor . . .

 Originally Posted By: Fist
How much orgone energy does it take to power a light bulb?


13.6 Reichs.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
How much memory can I get on a crystal?


Obviously a trick question, LOOOOL. It depends on the mass of the Quartz, duh.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Given all of the human sacrifices the US has made over the last 9 years of war, why is gas over $3.00 a gallon?


Because OPEC is a cartel, and all the bullshit "wars" we've spent blood on haven't affected this fact in the least.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Can you charge a Chevy Volt off an orgone generator? Can you prime the pump with fresh souls?


No, obviously you need a King Transmitter which will allow you to do both of these and more. I have the registered patent (BS63512466), and I sell them on EBay for the economical price of $241,399 USD.

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What frequency is an orgone generator working at? Can it be rectified into something in the 60hrz range?


Another set of trick questions, LOOOOOOOOOOOL. The Generator operates at exactly 1552 Hz. And yeah, sure it could be "rectified" to the human heartbeat, but what's the point, JK is just killin' folk.

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Why is this site now attracting such a huge array of morons lately?


I brought them with me (some), and the rest I have attracted via an "affection spell"(glamour). I am a truly diabolical mofo. Fuck, somebody had to take credit . . .

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#47292 - 01/24/11 09:42 AM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: Jason King]
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 Originally Posted By: Jason King

 Originally Posted By: Fist
How much orgone energy does it take to power a light bulb?


13.6 Reichs.


But that's ecologically unsound - you'll all ruin the orgonosphere. You should be using Compact Fluorescent Reich bulbs, which only take 2.8 Reichs.

 Originally Posted By: Jason King

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Why is this site now attracting such a huge array of morons lately?


I brought them with me (some), and the rest I have attracted via an "affection spell"(glamour). I am a truly diabolical mofo. Fuck, somebody had to take credit . . .


Morons are always everywhere - it's your memory that's faulty.
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#47363 - 01/25/11 03:08 PM Satanist Practices and Knowledge [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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hi T.o.G. a pleasure to make your acquaintance.

SB: "The supposed purpose in performing the ritual of sacrifice is to throw the energy provided by the blood of the freshly slaughtered victim into the atmosphere of the magical working, thereby intensifying the magicians chances of success."

there are many theories about this. LaVey's focus upon this one as 'the supposed purpose' indicates he was unfamiliar with the lot, or sought to portray this simplistically. my repeated inquiries of African diasporic and Hindu religious, for example, reveals a focus on subtle energy release and the 'feeding' of the god with the life force of the offering. the body of the victim is effectively a container of prana or ashe which, when the organism is killed, is released to the 'mouth' of the deity (deva, lwa, orisha, etc.).

that to which LaVey might have been responding may be a conventional Christian or hamstringed anthropologist (e.g. Lowie) understanding or conjecture. blood, here, is not the aim so much as loss of life. the value of exsanguination is the duplication of the butchery process, in which such drainings are beneficial to the culinary preservation and preparation of the flesh (/meat). in extreme, 'white magicians' avoid animal killing for spells, ritual, or worship. even Crowley's rites didn't include it except with one frog baptized in Jesus' name, and then he dutifully put it out of its misery with quick dispatch.

here, like so many other occultists, LaVey seeks to display his opponents in a negative light, then affiliate with the more conservative and accepted alternative, becoming 'the bad boy with the heart of gold'. instead of just employing an euphemism, like Crowley did (Sacrificing babies really means ejaculation! Sure!) in his "Magick in Theory and Practice", LaVey avers that 'white' magicians slay animals for their blood but that ejaculation (Which Christians can't stand! Of course! Onanism!) is the proper substitute. ignore the fact that Christians condemn animal sacrifice as well. ignore the variation in explanation by those who do sacrifice animals. ignore the possibility that one might use human female monthly blood (Icky! Naughty Ca-ca Poo-poo Wimmin stuff!).

ah well. instead, he becomes quasi-scientific, talking about "adrenal and other bioelectric energies". Neopagans love this kind of thing, and so do some Chaotes. even Satanists get into it, fluffing up Reich's orgones. one would think this might rescue the competition Thelema from the dustbin, drawing on Crowley, Spare, and Grant, but no. one might wonder whether that Wiccan Great (fucking!) Rite, or the Gnostic Catholic (fucking!) Mass could do something, but no. one might wonder whether things could possibly be less black and white, that maybe there's Christian sex mystics such as Noyes, or spiritualists like Randolph, or Hermetics like Mathers, or even scientifically-minded folks into raving madness like obstetrics such as Stockham, and maybe if one studied them one could stop calling them 'heinous Christians' and 'st00pid occultniks' and start to learn something from their (inner chamber?) practices? hmm.

what was up with LaVey that he purported (believed? can it be determined?) that "the release of this force is NOT effected in the actual spilling of blood, but in the death throes of the living creature"? did he get this from Reich? ha! I say he got this from the Christian subversion ideologies bent on condemning 'satanists' for their child sacrifices, or on belittling sacrificial religious.

 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
This {first page of this} chapter primarily concerns itself with advising interested future self-described Satanists on what isn't Satanism instead of what is {and} .... would form the foundation to the later chapters on ritual magic if put into practice. ... Here on that page of the Satanic Bible LaVey seems to be advocating that practicing Satanists sacrifice their lifeforce in ritual. ... This seems to be something that almost all Satanists I have seen talk about Satanic Ritual completely skip over and seems to be the #1 hurdle of Satanists including myself to understand the physical nature of ritual.


LaVey's Bible is a mish-mash of ideas from which several trajectories of ideology and practice might proceed. you are being helpfully observant to note this aspect of his Bible. one might also point out 'dark force in nature' or various CoS specific public expressions on Satan as a real entity. keep the Christians' heads spinning in confusion, showing them first one thing and then another. can we really believe the Satanist religious disclose what they actually do? maybe. is "The Satanic Rituals" purported to be something anyone says that they practice all the time (and thus might report reliably upon)? for a while LaVey and church were repeatedly deconditioning using an anti-Christian travesty. that was dropped when it seemed no longer necessary.

ultimately the reconstruction of the past, the theories and practices endorsed or engaged by historical Satanists, are distracting from our focus upon our own process and circumstance. it is meaningful to ask what was used by who and what did they get from it, but as long as expression is confounded by apparel and deception, the farther away that one gets from oneself and one's own time, social circle, reliable friends or confidantes, etc., the more likely it will be that someone who has an interest will spin a yarn to glorify themselves or those whom they admire.

anthropologists, psychologists and mystics studying the nature of ritual and magic, in such contexts as Neopaganism, have little more to go on that those who read a Satanic Bible or Rituals book hoping to piece together 'what goes on in the ritual chamber' of those they seek to follow, or whom they admire. occasionally these academics focus on theoretical models: of subtle energy, special kabbalistic cosmologies, tantric and taoist alchemy, or some other cultural esotericism, in order to understand the ritual activities they are observing, by and large without the benefit of actual evidence for their conjecture. some, drawing on Jung, attempt to bolster theory with more theory, often accepting his ideas as facts and confusing themselves and their readers all the more. the psychological field is rife with cultic dogmas, some disputed and relegated to the trash bin ('Recovered Memories'), and some enshrined in religious contexts to the point of ridiculousness ('archetypes'). where Reich falls into all this i haven't a clue. I've known some who were smitten with his theories, but i know of little seriously undertaken to test them.

 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
...the release of bioelectric tension .... is what the TOV deals with actually. but they go about it in a retarded manner

 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
...all TOV did was flesh out that part of Satanic Bible with more detail. Then the author(s) (uncredited) just colored it up in thematics and trappings etc.

this is a standard religious methology for the construction of theory and practice. it would be nice to have more transparency, and yet the adherence to scripture is conventional, an expansion on orthodox expression.

 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
...A lot of what that organization believes in and what members seem to believe is a lot of assumption. Certainly built upon foundations that are verifiable. It is based largely on scientific experiments and literature of Reich's. 'Reiki' masters today are using Reich's therapy and selling it as new age spiritualism . Literally. All they're doing is his therapy.

it would be helpful if you could yourself adhere to the standards of transparency you hope for from others. where did you get the understanding that "reiki" somehow relates to "Reich"? my weak sources don't indicate this at first glance.

 Originally Posted By: TrollovGrimness
...They never let on where the dividing lines are between what the authors and practioners believe and what they truly know.

this is the Method of Religion (in the generation of 'knowledge'). it has weaknesses which intrude fantasy and delusion into what it compromises. this doesn't necessarily mean that what is purported has no value whatever, only that the explanations or hypotheses offered up by theories upon which the interested seize may be imprecise or entirely ill-founded. testing using ordinary experimentation is usually sufficient to winnow out this fantasy, but the camps Secular and Religious are sometimes so divided as never to make any headway, coming to grips with 'Challenges' that yield no data or 'Proofs' which are so flimsy and compromised as to be completely worthless.

here's hoping that human sexuality and all that it includes will become a greater focus of study in all its varying dimensions, whether that pertains to pleasure, cycles of arousal and repose, culminative and multiple release, and experiential differentiation based on prophylactics, anatomical configuration, psycho-drama, ritual or religious investment, and reproduction.


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#47384 - 01/26/11 01:52 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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"it would be helpful if you could yourself adhere to the standards of transparency you hope for from others. where did you get the understanding that "reiki" somehow relates to "Reich"? my weak sources don't indicate this at first glance." - nocTifer

k,
I find some of the description from both parties to be similar. I am a layman and it is hard for me to truly understand the research that Reich did. However, I've had experience with people interested in reiki, also TOV, and have seen enough crossover to be pretty sure that there is a lot of correlation between the two.
The link between Reich's writing that I have gone through (a bit) and reiki is that both of these parties see the energy as relating to emotions. Both of these parties experience an up-welling of emotion in ritual or therapy sessions, with a physical sensation to go along with that which is similarly described. I have read a number of people's testimonials that what they're doing meant something to them, that even if they were skeptics initially were even surprised that it worked, that the event permanently changed them for the duration of their lives, and that all of these experiences seem to have some common threads in the physical feelings and location of where these feelings came from .

So there is something to it. I dont know what it is. But I also see something similar in the Satanic Bible which only caught my eye many years later.

Reich claims that the orgone energy he discovered directly relates to the emotions and empathy. Reiki practioners often report and even complain about their heightened degree of empathy.



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#48755 - 02/12/11 03:16 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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I was attuned in 2004 if memory serves. It's been 7yrs since attunement which has been a constant in my life everyday.

You're responding to someone who has transcended what many people would consider the limits of human ability. Yet here I am writing to you about this with a straight face and my testimonial of these realities is shared by many on the internet whom you can look to for comparison.

Ultimately you cannot simply take my word for it but I would recommend performing the mini-ritual in the Satanic Bible "On The Choice Of Human Sacrifice" and shed your 'bottled-up' emotion, held within muscular tension. During a reiki session or as a master they call this ritual practice and sensations 'vibrations' because that is what they feel like. Similar to reading a scary story.

And my claim would be this forms the heart of Satanic ritual it is the energy you send your Will through in ritual magic. This only dawns on the celebrant following attunement. The Temple Of The Vampire offers a solitary attunement method. As does the Satanic Bible. The Vampire Bible elucidates that chapter into an entire books worth.


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#49426 - 02/22/11 11:11 PM Re: On the Choice of Human Sacrifice (Satanic Bible) [Re: TrollovGrimness]
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Satanist's would never, ever harm any mundane, that would be amoral and downright Sinister.

The Satanic Bible however.. now let's take a look at a magician seeking to influence whilst moving his hands and think for one solitary moment... oh you can't?

Subversion, self deprecation, true evil is egoless and seeks no reassurance, it is the adaptable, the elusiveness, the powerful dark/ hidden intelligence to terrifying for mundanes to conceive that is beyond their slothful/ passive minds.. they are but insects, who do you see giving respect to fly larvae? let alone being able to get a stimulating conversation with something so boring. Evil holds down the mundane inoperable psyche and rapes it. They are oblivious.

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