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#4712 - 03/02/08 10:52 PM Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism
Dev Samael Daval Offline
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Not too long ago someone had the audacity to refute my claim that mercury in vaccines causes autism. It is not the refutation but the clear lack of research on the part of the individual that is a yawning bore.

Here are my videos on the subject:

Part 1
Part 2


Since most people don't understand trans-dimensional consciousness (they only profess to or write cute and pointless essays about it), those same people won't understand the following questions. They also--although claiming to understand the occult--don't understand the occult significance of Hollywood and why and how their fiction and our reality are closely linked. But here it goes anyway. . .

Was someone trying to tell you something by making a movie about an autistic child that is called Mercury Rising?

How about the recent movie called The Invasion, which features infected hive-mind consciousness people infecting others by putting the hive-mind virus into vaccines?

Do you understand why there are so many flu scares now?

Something I don't cover in the video, but highly highly recommended is the following article. Amish People - They Don't Get Vaccines. . .and they don't get autism. (Washington Times article in PDF format)


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#4744 - 03/04/08 02:49 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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As many people on this site know, I am autistic myself. People don't get autism, they're born with it, unless there's something that can radically and perminantly change brain chemistry out there (which to be fair, Mercury may be capable of doing).

Your post sounds a lot like fear mongering and conspiracy theory to me. The films name being called Mercury Rising and having an autistic in it means nothing, Brokeback Mountain has gay people in it, does that mean mountains cause people to be gay. It's a little far fetched don't you think.
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#4745 - 03/04/08 03:29 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Did you watch the film sir??

I'm not attacking but simply asking a question. There are a few points of reference with which to research the claim within it.

More importantly at no point does the film claim that all autism is caused by mercury or more to the point thirmisol, instead it really just points out a very realistic link between the two.

Overly simplified...

All blindness is not caused by jamming a screwdriver into you eyes. However there is a strong link between jamming a screwdriver into your eyes and blindness. See the distinction?

I found it to be highly informative.

Now I'm going to spend the rest of the evening looking into it to gather more information (for and against) then decide for myself before I form and or voice an opinion.

;\)

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#4746 - 03/04/08 03:31 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: TornadoCreator]
Dev Samael Daval Offline
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As many people on this site know, I am autistic myself. People don't get autism, they're born with it, unless there's something that can radically and perminantly change brain chemistry out there (which to be fair, Mercury may be capable of doing).

Your post sounds a lot like fear mongering and conspiracy theory to me. The films name being called Mercury Rising and having an autistic in it means nothing, Brokeback Mountain has gay people in it, does that mean mountains cause people to be gay. It's a little far fetched don't you think.



You're right.


I don't know what I was thinking. I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

Rate of Autism as of 2008: 1 child in every 150

Do Vaccines Even Work? Do Vaccines Even Work?

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Edited by Dev Samael Daval (03/04/08 03:35 AM)
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#4747 - 03/04/08 03:33 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: delusion]
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I have seen the film yes. Other than the title I recall no mention of mercury at all, so please explain how this has anything to do with the chemical causing autism.
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#4748 - 03/04/08 04:55 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: TornadoCreator]
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... Are you kidding?

Well firstly your powers of recollection are clearly weak. The connection was clearly mentioned on the film as were the references used so I think if you want to really refute his film you might want to watch the film more thoroughly.

Secondly, it is a little lazy if I may say so to ask me, the guy who said that I would like to do more research before jumping in, to "explain" anything to you when you should be able to do your own research.

Your initial reply came so fast that I'm sure that you did none of your own research. Instead went with a knee jerk reaction based on either your distaste for "conspiracy theory" or your own defensiveness about autism. Even if neither of those applies you clearly did not take any time to "check it out" you just shot from the hip and posted.

Just a few moments of looking into it produced this:

Deadly Immunity

I have only read about half way through it so please don't fire back and ask me to "explain" this to you also.

I'm just a guy interested in the post who found your dismissal to be reactionary and premature.

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#4753 - 03/04/08 11:37 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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Consumer Reports Mercury levels in canned tuna 2006

The entire world is full of poison… Just look around you… Remember when looking for something hard enough you will find it everywhere you look…

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#4759 - 03/04/08 02:30 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: ta2zz]
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...damn - I eat a lot of tuna; is this why I am bi-polar? I hope there's none in beer;)

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#4760 - 03/04/08 03:10 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Mercury_Templar]
delusion Offline
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that is absolutely correct Ta2zz tuna is all messed up. that was one of the saddest descoveries i've made. Granted I don't eat as much as I used too but still. I loves me some tuna.

as far as beer is concerned I think that is one of the last safe havens.

If anyone knows anything different then don't tell me I don't think I can handle the truth. (Insert best nickolson impression)

p.s. Sam adam's Double Bock and cooper's pale ale and stout; the only reason I could accept that there is a God ;\)

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#4799 - 03/05/08 01:14 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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First of all, no causal link has yet to be established between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism. This is the current scientific and medical consensus as it now stands. Although this position is not immutable, any challenges to it will have a vast amount of contrary evidence to address.

Nevertheless, as a precautionary measure most European and North American countries have already phased out or reduced the use of thimerosal in the majority of vaccines used in their childhood immunisation programmes (due to concerns regarding the toxicity of ethylmercury, a by-product). Moreover, the infamous Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) triple vaccine has never contained thimerosal.

This is not to say that all vaccines are wholly risk-free. As the Huffington Post article says, the outcome of the US Government's test-case raises many questions -- especially in the suggestion that some vaccines, or combinations thereof, may aggravate mitochondrial disorders in succeptible children. If this is the case, perhaps screening children prior to vaccination may be a worthwhile safety measure. More research is certainly needed if a causal link is to be established and appropriate mitigation strategies put into practice.

The issue at stake is not whether vaccination carries no risk whatsoever, but whether or not the risk of immunisation outweighs the risk of contracting a serious childhood disease.

The health scare over the MMR-autism link, which broke in the UK in 1998 on the back of Andrew Wakefield's now discredited study, saw a marked decrease in the UK's vaccination uptake. Predictably, we have seen a corresponding increase in cases of measles, mumps and rubella over the same time period. The UK reported its first death from measles in 14 years in 2006. Unless drastic steps are taken to immunise the population, further serious outbreaks are expected.

All of which is only made to seem more ridiculous when recent immunisation programmes across the third-world have successfully saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of children. The UK's backsliding on this issue can only be seen as a victory for fear and ignorance.

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#4802 - 03/05/08 01:40 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Stag]
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As I had PM'd to Jeseth the other day one aspect of this that adds pressure, at least, as a parent is the fact that many of them are mandatory for school and other activities. Not counting the flu vaccine which is just pain stupid anyway.

What I (we) have struggled with is simply that obviously a school full of un-immunized children is a prime place for outbreak if the disease/illness is contagious. However, when something is mandatory it takes away the option of not having my child injected should I (we) disagree with the immunization.

On yet another hand (I'm up to three now I think) many people are too stupid to make up their minds properly, read: the two idiot vegan parents who fed their infant soy milk rather then breast milk resulting in the starvation and death of the child.

Thank you stag for the links I will certainly look into them.

Good luck everyone.

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#4804 - 03/05/08 02:11 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Stag]
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You do quite well to support the other side. I admire that in you. When Peter Singer said he would kill a child, you defended his position. This is not forgotten, and it never will be.

You forget to mention that GlaxoSmithKline is being investigated for manslaughter for their vaccines in France.

Not all vaccines contain mercury and the their media and their medical industry is quite effective at formulating outrageous lies. Of course, they have to show you a bit of the actual facts in order to get you to believe their media. Therefore, discriminate with care.

It remains that a leading cause of death is doctors (and the medical industry in general).

Not all vaccines contain mercury. . .but. . .

Vaccines have sufficient quantities of egg proteins and gelatin to induce immediate hypersensitivity reactions. Vaccines may contain gelatin and egg proteins, mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, human serum albumin, antibiotics, and yeast proteins.

Mercury is a poison. Period.
Formaldehyde is a poison. Period.
Aluminum causes brain damage. Period.

The human dietary requirement for mercury and formaldehyde is zero.

It doesn't seem like you actually go through the trouble of reading anything I present to you. For instance, the wealth of reports of deaths and atrocious side-effects of vaccines; you just skip over such details.

You serve me well.

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Edited by Dev Samael Daval (03/05/08 02:13 PM)
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#4829 - 03/05/08 07:18 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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In france, it was 5 people who died as a result of hep b vaccinations. Hep B is not manditory, it is usually given to hospital workers, and those who have a high risk blood exposure, those include diaysis patients who deal with blood transfusions, and blood products. These people also usually have a high risk for recurring infection, and other medical problems/conditions. Those conditions may result from poor lifestyle choices, or genetic predisposition. I have the hep b vaccine due to working in the OR where the chances of blood contamination/exposure may be high.

I know you are a staunch vegan, and I like how you tend to color the world so that you push your vegan views without saying so.
That is in regards to your mention of egg products, gelatin, and albumin. More NPL experiments?

As to a leading cause of death being doctors, well, death is a leading cause of death. Most people end up at the doctors due to illness, some very serious. Most people avoid the doctors until it is too late, and then death comes quickly.

Mercury, formaldehyde, and aluminium are naturally occurring.

"Aluminium is the most abundant metal in the Earth's crust, and the third most abundant element overall, after oxygen and silicon"

"In many vaccines, certain aluminium salts serve as an immune adjuvant (immune response booster) to allow the protein in the vaccine to achieve sufficient potency as an immune stimulant"

"Small amounts of formaldehyde are produced as a metabolic byproduct in most organisms, including humans."

"Mercury occurs in deposits throughout the world and it is harmless in an insoluble form, such as mercuric sulfide, but it is poisonous in soluble forms such as mercuric chloride or methylmercury."

"Since the 1930s some vaccines have contained the preservative thiomersal, which is metabolized or degraded to ethyl mercury. Although it was widely speculated that this mercury-based preservative can cause or trigger autism in children, scientific studies showed no evidence supporting any such link.[25] Nevertheless thiomersal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all U.S. vaccines recommended for children 6 years of age and under, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine.[26]"

Btw, thiomersal is used in some contact lens cleaning solutions/saliene solutions.

Go to wipedia or etc...


Seriously dude, whats up? What has made you so anti-jew and anti-vaccines. What happened to you?

Honestly, you would have a better case focusing on the issues like the military forcing you (when you are enlisted) to take unproven vaccines against nerve gas and other stuff. Those vaccines have direct result lines to children born with deformities, and the enlisted men having an onset of medical problems. This was even covered in life magazine, complete with photos of the resulted deformeed kids. One of my friends who served in deserst storm is afraid to have kids because of how they might turn out.

Morgan

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#4866 - 03/06/08 08:24 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Seriously dude, whats up? What has made you so anti-jew and anti-vaccines. What happened to you?


Unsolved mystery by the sounds of things.

Thanks for the info on the Military Vaccines; I wouldn't mind reading a little bit more into that. Cheers.
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#5825 - 03/17/08 03:30 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: DaVinci]
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Who knows whether the vaccines that I received in the military or the ones that my child received caused his Autism? I'm not a scientist, but something is clearly wrong here. Could it have been my vaccinations that weakened my genetic structure or was my son simply fucking poisoned?

I wouldn't scoff at conspiracy theories either. In the real world, money talks and nobody cares...
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#7900 - 04/18/08 08:11 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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I just wanted to contribute a little bit more on this topic:

-MMR vaccine mediums: Chicken embryo (Mumps and Measles), human diploid cells originating from human aborted fetal tissue.
-Orimune/Polio virus vaccine medium: Monkey kidney cell culture.

I'll have more on this a little later when I read up more on this site that I was referred to:

http://www.naturodoc.com/library/public_health/vaccine_who_how.htm

I'm not one who usually believes everything that I read on the net but this affects me directly.


Edited by Sinistar (04/18/08 08:17 AM)
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#7904 - 04/18/08 09:36 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Sinistar]
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Again I add welcomed to the poisoned world... Recently in the news plastic and the chemicals that leech from it in baby's bottles and bottled water... Why is the world years behind commonsense thinking?

Which plastic water bottles don't leach chemicals?

Other poisons...

TOXIC CHEMICAL BPA LEACHING INTO CANNED FOODS

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#7909 - 04/18/08 11:45 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Sinistar]
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I'm not one who usually believes everything that I read on the net but this affects me directly.


I would caution that an online store hawking 'natural health remedies' may not be the most impartial, or accurate, source of information about vaccine-related risks. If you have genuine health concerns, go and see your doctor.

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#7912 - 04/18/08 01:14 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Stag]
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With all due respect, seeing a doctor is part of the problem. I'm okay health-wise. I raise all these concerns about poisons and the government agencies that are in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical companies that make these wonderful vaccines. They've silenced our children with their possible chemically induced Autism for the sake of making millions of dollars. There is a very real possible link between vaccinations and Autism. When you look at some of the mediums utilized, it shouldn't be surprising.

Thimersol, the preservative used in vaccines (49% Mercury by weight) is also used in pet vaccines, immune globaline preparations, certain skin test antigens, antiveins, ophthamalic and some nasal products, and tattoo inks (Sorry Ta2zz).

Eli Lilly is the maker of this fine product and past board members include George H.W. Bush, Kenneth Lay (Enron) and Indiana governor Mitch Daniels (also former Director of Office of Management and Budget for George W. Bush).

I do appreciate the information on vaccine ingredients but I remain wary of buying natural health remedies, Stag. Everybody seems to be full of shit nowadays...Too bad my son and the rest of the 1 in 150 children diagnosed with Autism have to suffer.


Edited by Sinistar (04/18/08 01:19 PM)
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#7914 - 04/18/08 03:10 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Sinistar]
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I raise all these concerns about poisons and the government agencies that are in the back pocket of the pharmaceutical companies that make these wonderful vaccines. They've silenced our children with their possible chemically induced Autism for the sake of making millions of dollars.


Are you actually implying that the government of every single country on Earth, the World Health Organisation and the entire global scientific and medical community, are all part of a conspiracy engineered to cover-up the true risks of thiomersal, so that Eli Lilly can continue to make money on it? Do you really believe your family physician would wilfully poison you or your family for the sake of a kick-back from Big Pharma?

(if that's the case, why has the use of thimerosal in vaccine dropped since 1991?)

Those are some extremely serious allegations. Do you have any actual, hard evidence to back up this theory?

Stag


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#7915 - 04/18/08 03:44 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Stag]
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I'm not a scientist so I'm afraid that I don't have the resources or the knowledge to acquire that evidence. My evidence is statistical and circumstantial, which I know wouldn't hold up in court.

I am in no way libeling the FDA or Eli Lilly. I've done the basic research and am disgusted with what's going on. I did say "possible". It's also a known fact that attorneys for the FDA now have lucrative jobs for Eli Lilly. I didn't imply every single government, just ours. The Food and Drug Administration to be specific.

There's even a Vaccination Injuries Court in which I hope to present my son's case. There are families that have actually won litigation. Believe me, these accusations are not new in the Autism Community.

As far as the use of Thimersol, the FDA and Eli Lilly actually say that they haven't used Thimersol since 2002 but have come under scrutiny because of hard, scientific evidence to the contrary.

Even the cattle ranchers have USDA stamps in their possession so that bad meat can be served to the American people. Money talks, bullshit walks. Dev Samael Daval is on to something by going vegan. I used to think of vegans as tree hugging liberals, but now I'm not so sure.

As far as poisoning everyone, I'm sure that it wasn't purposeful, but to continue with the practice is criminal.
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#7917 - 04/18/08 04:16 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Sinistar]
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Whilst the causes of autistic spectrum disorders remain largely unknown, many more people such as yourself will have to suffer the horrible uncertainty of not knowing how, or why their child contracted this disease. I cannot begin to imagine what this must be like.

All the more important then, that we are able to discriminate facts from idle conjecture. Conspiracy theories such as the ones evidenced in this thread only serve to muddy the political waters, making genuine medical research into autism that much more difficult. There're also the very real dangers associated with declining vaccine uptake, brought about as a direct result of the fear these theories generate.

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There's even a Vaccination Injuries Court in which I hope to present my son's case. There are families that have actually won litigation. Believe me, these accusations are not new in the Autism Community.

It is important to note that medical facts are established through controlled clinical trials, not in the courtroom. Though I wish you every success in your case, any outcome will have little bearing upon the medical understanding of autism.

Vaccination is not, and never has been, wholly without risks -- but then neither is the alternative. A sound public health policy should be able to balance up all these risks based on the best medical science we have available at the time.

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#7921 - 04/18/08 07:22 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Sinistar]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinistar
Thimersol, the preservative used in vaccines (49% Mercury by weight) is also used in pet vaccines, immune globaline preparations, certain skin test antigens, antiveins, ophthamalic and some nasal products, and tattoo inks (Sorry Ta2zz).

I say bullshit... Although some reds do contain mercury the key is knowing which...

"Cinnabar (mercuric sulfide) used in red tattoo inks can lead to allergic reactions and scarring. Tsuruta et al. reported a case of a 40-year-old Japanese man with a red tattoo who developed a whole-body rash after eating 250 g of raw swordfish and alfonsino.19 In this case the mercuric tattoo pigments caused the initial sensitization to mercury in the patient, producing a delayed hypersensitivity reaction.

Subsequent exposure of the patient to mercury-containing products either through ingestion/inhalation/injection (mercury vapor, mercury-laden fish, vaccines, toxoids, amalgam dental fillings) or direct contact (mercury-containing creams, contact lens solution) precipitated the allergic contact dermatitis.

While the ink compositions that are used in tattoos and permanent makeup are subject to FDA regulation, this has not been enforced. Importantly, no ink is approved for injection into the skin, which is what entails the actual practice of tattooing.20 Further compounding the difficulty in regulation is that manufacturers of inks and pigments are not required to reveal the contents, since the information is proprietary. Inks vary by manufacturer, even among like- colored pigments.

With the recent growth in popularity of tattoos, the FDA is taking a closer took at related safety questions regarding adverse reactions to tattoo colors."

tattoo inks

Furthermore ink is deposited under the skin not injected...

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#7956 - 04/19/08 02:51 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Stag]
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Admittedly, this topic hits home too hard so it's difficult to be subjective in this case. I thank you for your empathy and hope that you wouldn't have to walk in the same shoes, sir.

Yes, you are right about not establishing medical facts through the courts. I hope that you understand that I just find it difficult to trust the medical community's word at this time. I am currently at a loss when trying to figure out if I should vaccinate my son any further in the future.

Admittedly, this is the most heartbreaking thing that I've ever went through in my life. Just picture a happy healthy baby who used to smile at everyone that he came into contact with and then one day that happiness and personality all goes away. Imagine trying to communicate with your child and getting little to no eye contact. Or he just smiles at you blankly and his eyes show no understanding of what you are saying. Imagine a room full of toddlers and all of them are playing with each other, laughing, running, jumping, etc. and all the while your child retreats to a solitary corner of the room...in his own world. This is Autism, Stag.
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#7957 - 04/19/08 02:55 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: ta2zz]
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I read the link and hope that it is accurate. This is right up your alley and I wouldn't pretend as if I know more.

If you notice, I always keep my emoticon with a question mark because I welcome the enlightenment.

Somehow, I feel like the fat kid who got sucked up in that vat of milk chocolate...


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#7985 - 04/19/08 03:55 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Sinistar]
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I've had a lot of contact with Autism over the years, close friends, acquaintances, children of friends of the family it's funny but I never really noticed...that they were different.

They did seem more quiet. Maybe something about me draws Autistic people? I don't know...

Anyways don't give up hope, it gets better I'm sure. I just wanted to say that because sometimes saying how *not horrible* a disease is is just as good an observation as pointing out the negatives.

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#7989 - 04/19/08 07:26 PM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: 97and107]
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I am currently at a loss when trying to figure out if I should vaccinate my son any further in the future.


I also empathise with you. I just wanted to add this thought though.

I don't know how much leyway you are givin in the US (in Australia there is a little but not much) when it comes to vaccination, but maybe you could skip some of the less 'neccesary' ones. Like mumps and measels. And chicken pox.

I remember having ALL these diseases as a kid. They sucked, but aren't life threatening, in a big way at least, or likley to turn one into an invalid.

Maybe you can try to find some 'happy medium'.

As for the vegan thing, I get all nervy about meat sometimes, but only when it is 'factory farmed'.

Therefore I buy it from locol producers and slaughterers. None of this supermarket crap for me for either meat or vegetables.
The money I save and the quality I end up getting make the fact that I visit three or four different places to do my shopping well worth the effort.

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#8010 - 04/20/08 04:12 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I don't know how much leyway you are givin in the US (in Australia there is a little but not much) when it comes to vaccination, but maybe you could skip some of the less 'neccesary' ones. Like mumps and measels. And chicken pox.

This tactic might work providing enough other children are vaccinated against these diseases. This is called herd immunity -- you're effectively relying on other, immunized people to act as a 'fire break' against infection, preventing the disease from reaching epidemic proportions. In other words, skipping vaccines is fine, so long as nobody else follows your example.

Measles itself is fairly innocuous, fatality rate ~0.1% to ~1%. However, its infection rate is so high that if it were allowed to go unchecked, the death toll would be significant. Not to mention the additional strain it would put on the health care system, to the detriment of those people suffering with wholly unpreventable diseases. This is why we have national immunisation programmes.

To pass on getting your child immunised for no reason other than base superstition, therefore relying on other parents not making the same mistake as you for your own child's wellbeing, is sychophantic in the extreme. If you have any evidence that these claims amount to anything more substantial, please let me know, I have yet to find any.

Furthermore, as previously stated the MMR vaccine, along with most vaccines used in childhood immunisation programmes, does not even contain thiomersal!

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#8011 - 04/20/08 04:42 AM Re: Mercury Rising - Vaccines & Autism [Re: Stag]
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If you have any evidence that these theories amount to anything more, please let me know, I have yet to find any.


I'm not interested in looking quite frankly. Both my children have been vaccinated successfully and I won't be having anymore children.

I also never said that I beleived anything about these theories either. But just as Sinistar has gotten personal because of his situation, I gave him a personal option, as obviously just reading the facts isn't making him feel any better about the immunization thing.

I wasn't advocating it as an option everyone and their dog should do.

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