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#58877 - 09/06/11 02:07 AM Re: red satanism [Re: Liane]
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I lived in red communism and I 'red communism' in general is nothing to do with Satanism... Communist’s ideology was Atheism, even religious or cult Atheism... In every town we had Lenin monument, every school has pioneers, in every workplace was activists and propaganda was everywhere.

I am happy that Baltic States get rid of SU and especially from red socialistic and communistic ideology.
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#58981 - 09/08/11 05:19 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Latvian]
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 Originally Posted By: Latvian
I lived in red communism and I 'red communism' in general is nothing to do with Satanism... Communist’s ideology was Atheism, even religious or cult Atheism... In every town we had Lenin monument, every school has pioneers, in every workplace was activists and propaganda was everywhere.

I am happy that Baltic States get rid of SU and especially from red socialistic and communistic ideology.

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#59002 - 09/09/11 11:59 AM Re: red satanism [Re: Youngsilver]
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You right, Baltic states are out of SU and we have religious and political freedom and ourdays society in all 3 Baltic states - Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia accept 'Universal declaration of human rights' (http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/)

It will be nice, that You, Youngsilver will introuduce yourself in New Members Introduction!
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#59207 - 09/18/11 10:48 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Meatl Gear]
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That's an interesting idea, but Satanism and Marxism are diametrically opposed in many ways. First of all, Marxism can by all accounts be considered a Right-Hand Path philosophy--it embraces charity for the poor and mercy for the weak and infirm, which are not necessarily values that Satanism supports. Marxism is closer to Christianity than Satanism. I'm not exactly trying to shoot down the idea of Red Satanism, but in a practical sense I don't think it would work. It would be like "Satanic Buddhism".
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#59243 - 09/19/11 03:09 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Ashley Corinne]
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 Originally Posted By: Ashley Corinne
I'm not exactly trying to shoot down the idea of Red Satanism, but in a practical sense I don't think it would work.
K. Marx published many books during his lifetime, and two are quite important - 'The Communist Manifesto' and 'Capital'... Beautiful ideas, but in reality it doesn't work so brilliant...

I've born and lived in SU, even my father, who is free-thinker is born in 1944 (too in Soviet Union) and spent whole his life in Marxism system - communism, socialism... I discussed with him about red Satanism and he agree me - it's good theory, but in practice it will not work...
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#59310 - 09/20/11 08:42 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Ashley Corinne]
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 Originally Posted By: Ashley Corinne
It would be like "Satanic Buddhism".

Not at all. Buddhism is a very hard (not radical RHP like Islam) Right Hand Path. That is because on one hand it is quite save, but on the other hand it is only sweeping for the single individual and not for society. Just like the Left Hand Path. Even in the east/orient, Buddhism is too hard for the majority of people. So you will also don't find an attempt for proselytization.
Marxism is pure egalitarianism and not even a nice idea too.
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#59315 - 09/20/11 10:33 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Liane]
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Actually Buddhism has its own forms of the Left Hand Path, such as Vajrayana tantra and Drukpa.

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Buddhism is too hard for the majority of people. So you will also don't find an attempt for proselytization.


Indian Buddhists, when spreading the religion in Tibet, took over by force and massacred the followers of Bon and other indigenous traditions, essentially forcing conversion. Older beliefs still thrived and influenced the dominant faith, which is why Tibetan Religion is a wacky pastiche of buddhism, tantra, and native polytheism... similar to the evolution of Catholicism. (The Dalai Lamas who took over were no better than the medieval Popes.)

Traditionally, Buddhism was considered "too hard" for the majority of people ecause they were poor and illiterate. That doesn't matter, though, because they deserve to be poor and illiterate because of their bad karma.

In modern days, Buddhists do proselytize. Maybe not by waving bibles on street corners, but all those ads for "enlightenment seminars" and "spiritual retreats" are there for an ulterior reason.


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#59391 - 09/22/11 07:11 PM Re: red satanism [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu


In modern days, Buddhists do proselytize. Maybe not by waving bibles on street corners, but all those ads for "enlightenment seminars" and "spiritual retreats" are there for an ulterior reason.


Nichiren Shōshū Buddhists in particular proselytize, even door to door, as Tina Turner mentions here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOsr_ZOi-Jo . I knew several American jazz musicians who converted to that form of Buddhism, and they talked me into attending a meeting where they'd all be chanting. I attended with the intention of only sitting with them and observing, rather than chanting with them. A few minutes into the chanting, which they directed towards a scroll, all their focused energy seem to consolidate in the scroll and bounce back towards me in a very unpleasant directed beam of energy. I got up and left immediately. They were definitely working with some kind of energy, but it was coercive. Not something I wanted to submit to.

There is some irony in the fact that the original Buddha apparently shed materialism, at least for some time, in pursuit of knowledge and enlightenment--yet statues of him are stereotypically covered in gold, one of the ultimate material commodities.

Back to the topic, IMAO 20th century Communists sought to repress and redirect religious energies/veneration to the Communist State, in a somewhat similar way to the how the Third Reich transferred sexual energy towards the Fascist State.

If Red Satanists were to encourage the overt development of currently suppressed technologies with the goal of furthering intelligent life on this planet, rather than wasting them on the increasingly dubious "war on terror", they might find some enthusiasts.
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#59434 - 09/24/11 10:08 AM Re: red satanism [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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 Originally Posted By: dust-e sheytoon
There is some irony in the fact that the original Buddha apparently shed materialism, at least for some time, in pursuit of knowledge and enlightenment--yet statues of him are stereotypically covered in gold, one of the ultimate material commodities.


According to the story, Siddhartha Gautama (who you call "the original Buddha"), did try both extremes after which he realized that what is most giving in the quest is a Middle Way (or "madhyamā-pratipad"). Not a bad realization in and of itself - one I can definately share. Im not saying that the doctrines around this idea necessarilly fit me well but I do think Buddhism has its fair share of useful wisdom.

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#59465 - 09/25/11 02:05 AM Re: red satanism [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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There is some irony in the fact that the original Buddha apparently shed materialism, at least for some time, in pursuit of knowledge and enlightenment--yet statues of him are stereotypically covered in gold, one of the ultimate material commodities.


This sort of hypocrisy is rather common. The Buddha distrusted materialism, but lavish temples are erected in his name. Christ embraced asceticism, but the Pope wears expensive jewelry and lives in a palace. Marx preached fairness and a classless society, but Soviet states practiced totalitarianism and gross class inequality.
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#59674 - 10/01/11 06:44 AM Re: red satanism [Re: The Zebu]
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Nothing new is in the world. People are animals and always we see our animal instincts and nature..., who are leaders of heard always want to gain incomes from herd and create illusions for herd. Ideologies and religious theories are beautiful and promising so much! The most disturbing is following – you have to lose your freedom and individuality for mystical utopia and herd happiness!

Interesting fact - religions and many ideologies strive to create ideal society… One good example it is described by Sir Thomas More for his 1516 book Utopia. Utopia is an ideal community possessing a perfect socio-politico-legal system. I don’t believe in ideal community – I see in all generations – the law of jungle is the only law, who really fits for mankind.
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#61386 - 11/14/11 12:34 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Meatl Gear]
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You can be a Red Satanist. I'm one. Being a Satanist means you want to empower yourself. Be that from gaining knowledge, spirituality (Theistic Satanists.), or practicing self-indulgence of all things taboo. That is all fine and dandy and can be done in an oppressive fascist society or a free flowing Communist society. You may want to empower yourself but you also may want to have the majority of things for free. Such as free health care, free education, and free food and you recognize the only way to do this is to ally yourself with the Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist revolutionists. You don't have to be so up front about your reasons for being a part of one of those political viewpoints. Just lie and say you want those things for everyone when really you just want them for yourself. Basically you just choose to follow whatever side you most benefit from.

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#61388 - 11/14/11 01:07 PM Re: red satanism [Re: ClayMan]
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I have had nothing ever given to me, I didn't pay for on some level. Rather it was emotional, sexual, or financial. Even in a Communist society you are still paying for things like food, clothing, and shelter, it's just in a different form. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
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#61390 - 11/14/11 01:36 PM Re: red satanism [Re: FemaleSatan]
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 Originally Posted By: FemaleSatan
I have had nothing ever given to me, I didn't pay for on some level. Rather it was emotional, sexual, or financial. Even in a Communist society you are still paying for things like food, clothing, and shelter, it's just in a different form. There's no such thing as a free lunch.


True Communism isn't that different from Anarchism. As a Communist you want the total abolishment of money and the class system. But unlike Anarchism you still want their to be State run control. Not national control. There would be no government controlling the states. The states would be governed by the people within the state. The people as a whole would vote on laws to be passed or removed. There would be no one leader or elected group of leaders. As for items and such. The state would provide whatever is essential for survival. If you want extra stuff you will need to work for it. If you work at least 40 hours a week. You will be able to request things at the next state meeting and most likely you will get said things if you have put your time in.

Anarchism is a more extreme version of that. An anarchist world would have no government, no leaders, no money, no states, and no laws. The people would just govern themselves.


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#61391 - 11/14/11 01:47 PM Re: red satanism [Re: ClayMan]
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 Originally Posted By: ClayMan
you also may want to have the majority of things for free. Such as free health care, free education, and free food and you recognize the only way to do this is to ally yourself with the Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist revolutionists.


Ever thought of working instead? Developing abilities and traits that make you valuable?

As FemaleSatan as already suggested, nothing is free. Everything requires pay in some form or another. I would much prefer to pay using an artifical currency that I've earned through my own efforts and abilities rather than give up my personal freedom to live on the hand-outs of a national collective.

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