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#61392 - 11/14/11 01:54 PM Re: red satanism [Re: PrinceOfBabalon]
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 Originally Posted By: PrinceOfBabalon
 Originally Posted By: ClayMan
you also may want to have the majority of things for free. Such as free health care, free education, and free food and you recognize the only way to do this is to ally yourself with the Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist revolutionists.


Ever thought of working instead? Developing abilities and traits that make you valuable?

As FemaleSatan as already suggested, nothing is free. Everything requires pay in some form or another. I would much prefer to pay using an artifical currency that I've earned through my own efforts and abilities rather than give up my personal freedom to live on the hand-outs of a national collective.


I already stated you have to work in a Communist society as well. Just not for the basic things you need to live. You still work for the other crap that just makes life easier.


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#61395 - 11/14/11 04:15 PM Re: red satanism [Re: ClayMan]
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 Originally Posted By: ClayMan
True Communism isn't that different from Anarchism. As a Communist you want the total abolishment of money and the class system. But unlike Anarchism you still want their to be State run control. Not national control. There would be no government controlling the states. The states would be governed by the people within the state. The people as a whole would vote on laws to be passed or removed. There would be no one leader or elected group of leaders. As for items and such. The state would provide whatever is essential for survival. If you want extra stuff you will need to work for it. If you work at least 40 hours a week. You will be able to request things at the next state meeting and most likely you will get said things if you have put your time in.

Anarchism is a more extreme version of that. An anarchist world would have no government, no leaders, no money, no states, and no laws. The people would just govern themselves.


Kid what are you rambling about? It might be good to think things through.

You talk about an abolishment of money and the class system but at the same time you talk about doing extra work for extra favors. So what's the difference if I have to work 10 hours more for cash or for a privilege?

Then you talk about no government controlling the state and people voting laws but who do you think is going to control if people obey those laws or not? Who is going to punish them when not? Who is going to hunt them down? Your state provides what is essential for survival? Who is, because you say there is no state?

No offense but this is Sesame Street politics.

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#61402 - 11/15/11 12:51 AM Re: red satanism [Re: ClayMan]
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It is suggested that you can pursue your own rational self interest, or your own particular agenda through a political/social/economic arrangement which is supposed to be deliberately designed to minimise your own particular self interest or individual agenda.

Instead of the acceptance of stratification, anti-egalitarianism, difference, and will to power and pleasure as natural conditions for the successful pursuit of individual agendas and forms of rational self interest, we have yet another form of collectivism, levelling down, and binding of those who have the talent to forge ahead of the mass.

The fact that the capitalist class arrangement of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat is replaced by the new communist class arrangement of the workers and the bureaucrat/party leadership is telling I think. Natural relations between human beings tend to win through no matter what sort of political/economic/social arrangements is adopted I would say.

I dislike Communism as I find it to be fundamentally alien to Satanism. Marxís historical and dialectical materialism pretty much annihilates the individual under inevitable historical/economic laws. I do not appreciate the Hegelian notion of the historic inevitability of the idea, nor its fleshing out as material individual-less praxis under Marxism.

I also found the analysis of capitalism proposed in Das Kapital and the suggestion that the fundamental components of Capitalism are reflected in social functions and the consciousness of human beings, as highlighted most strongly by Lukacs, to be rather depressing on the one hand, and rather untenable when one compares how extraordinary some individuals can be, no matter which class they come from.

Anyway the thing is pretty much discredited now as a viable alternative for people I think, unless somebody can really ramp it up and give it some life, make some changes to the thing.

Hell, what Marx said and what the Soviet's etc. did look like two different things to me anyway!

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#121320 - 01/22/20 04:43 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Fist]
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Hail satan .. who want to worshep satan in sex with me ..
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#121355 - 01/24/20 03:41 PM Re: red satanism [Re: X666x]
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#121359 - 01/25/20 04:29 PM Re: red satanism [Re: fiendish]
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Man, seeing this thread resurrected reminds me of what this forum once was.

An idiot would stumble in, and the established members took their turns knocking him around like a hacky sack.

Those were the days.
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#121360 - 01/25/20 04:55 PM Re: red satanism [Re: XiaoGui17]
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4J1mls6pXMA

Edited by samowens84 (01/25/20 04:56 PM)

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#121361 - 01/25/20 05:00 PM Re: red satanism [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
Man, seeing this thread resurrected reminds me of what this forum once was.

An idiot would stumble in, and the established members took their turns knocking him around like a hacky sack.

Those were the days.


Which only gave the idiots attention they craved. And if an idiot is a masochist, he gets a double reward.
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#121362 - 01/25/20 05:57 PM Re: red satanism [Re: Czereda]
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Sometimes hurt puts a person in touch with their heart.

Perspective on what's important and how to love themselves better and learn to live with a bigger heart.

Some seem to act as though ignoring their heart and values in favor of their material needs would give them peace of mind, but the truth is the opposite.

Its avoidance of ones heart and values that cause that anxiety, not material worries.


Edited by samowens84 (01/25/20 06:01 PM)

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#121365 - 01/25/20 10:23 PM Re: red satanism [Re: samowens84]
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 Originally Posted By: Jim Cummingham, Disciple of Love
Sometimes hurt puts a person in touch with their heart.

Perspective on what's important and how to love themselves better and learn to live with a bigger heart.


You have perspective, really?

Your close-minded christian lensing doesn't constantly get in the way of that?

But you are actually right this time.  I have had a LOT of hurt, some people were really unfair, judgemental, righteous, deceptive, vindictive, and even ganged up on me in a way I was FAR too reactive to rise above, if that was even possible. In the anger and pain of being imposed upon by them, and their obvious bullshit, it really did bring me closer to the heart. My heart.

I am SUPPOSED TO BE REACTIVE to that type of thing.

My heart, "love", or 'spirit', or the thing that gives me "passion" turns out to be endlessly opposing a certain way of thinking that wanders into my environment and tries to convince me of its merit. My heart and subsequent passion is in opposing "you" and using  "transference" to pretend you are part of a (probably unrelated) born-again cult. Cuz they pretty much spout the same love shit. And that is part a story in my life too fucked to believe, and one that is too plausibly crazy to continue to tell with any credibility.

But if AK was right you are totally the right account to do this too.

In short: Because of this "hurt" my "heart" says treat your tao of fallacy and platitudes with all the disdain that I would said parasites. That will work to "heal" my "spirit" until such time I finally achieve direct confrontation.

It's a different-y path that I am on. Haven't the faintest clue where to go to talk about it.
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Still irredeemable. :P

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#121366 - 01/25/20 11:45 PM Re: red satanism [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Ok. Well my personal opinion on that is that you fell victim to controlled opposition that picked up fruit that left your "christian" cult.

And then you likely ended up supporting the things you ran from and for a long time were too embarrassed to admit you were played like that.

And as far as "AK" thought, don't know or care about his opinion, or why you may or may not had relied on his "advice."


But that's not what I was talking about.

Simple heartbreak, and appreciation and love for simple pleasures and devotion.

Most of my history and such is already well known.

And my basic read on you also is that you just seemed to have wandered from group to group in vain hoping one would have been more loving than another, without paying attention to the basic power structure of each group that made each one as ethically fucked as the other.

Only you can give that to yourself and attract that from others. Bottom line.

And only you can be good to yourself and attract good things and the right people to you.

That kind of good will pays itself in my experience in terms of karma and such, so I'm not looking for any favors from you.

And so if you followed Ak's advice you'd only be opposing nothing except non-expectent good will, which would be strange from my perspective, but that's your stuff you'd have to work through.

And as for my motive, that's simple too.

You were foolish in that way and my path put you in a position that caused me to care about you that put me in touch with my own humanity. That's self rewarding.

That's all.

Whether you consider yourself a lost cause, or whether you decide to be good to yourself is your choice.

I hope you are good to yourself.

Unlike other fucked up people all I want for you is to regain your humanity and be good to yourself because likely the world would be a better place for that.

But I can only show you that you have your own supply of water in you already, but only you can nourish yourself.


Edited by samowens84 (01/25/20 11:51 PM)

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#121367 - 01/26/20 12:44 AM Re: red satanism [Re: samowens84]
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That is bullshit. All Brady had to do was just throw the ball near Gronk and the Chiefs were unfairly eliminated without even getting a chance. The OT rules suck, and I guarentee you Mahomes would have answered.

Not this year.

I dont think the 49ers victory over The Packers really says much considering the matchup nightmare that was, and I gotta take Patrick Mahomes over Jimmy-G and a breakable SF but good defense. If Kyler Murray can pick it apart what is Mahomes gonna do?

Kansas City deseves it because they have the best style of BBQ. KC Masterpiece is more than chips. It is a competition for the best tang on some ribs and/or pulled pork. Tennessee has some BBQ, as does Carolina. But Kansas City just beat tennessee in battles of BBQ places. Basically anywhere republican and not up its own fusion cuisine ass has some good BBQ.

Coleslaw too. Proper slaw and possibly potato salad are also cornerstones of Americana, as is football. And slaw.

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Still irredeemable. :P

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#121369 - 01/26/20 06:18 AM Re: red satanism [Re: samowens84]
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 Originally Posted By: samowens84
Ok. Well my personal opinion on that is that you fell victim to controlled opposition that picked up fruit that left your "christian" cult.

And then you likely ended up supporting the things you ran from and for a long time were too embarrassed to admit you were played like that...

And my basic read on you also is that you just seemed to have wandered from group to group in vain hoping one would have been more loving than another, without paying attention to the basic power structure of each group that made each one as ethically fucked as the other.


Do you know you've hit the nail on the head?

Look, Sam Owens, if you ever set up some cult of your own, don't forget to send Canis an invitation so that the poor guy can feel "special."

And don't you ever tell him he doesn't get it. He heard it so many times that it caused PTSD in him, which makes him rant about it forever and which only the feeling of being loved again can cure. \:\)


Edited by Czereda (01/26/20 06:48 AM)
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#121370 - 01/26/20 09:21 AM Re: red satanism [Re: Czereda]
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At the risk of whatever I did feel it made more sense to give my two sense with clarity rather than feels.

Whether if any of what I wrote is what you want to hear or not is beside the point.

If I meant some of the nice things I said or not, which, incidentally I did, doesn't matter for one main reason.

No matter what anyone tried to tell themselves everyone is left to their own karma that ultimately is a personal decision that's made alone, often in a personal darkness only you can understand.

That's where that "empty void" really comes from, the avoidance in dealing with personal shit.

Whether I meant the loving things i said, you'd still be trying to replace personal responsibility and accountability for fixing your own karmic mess with someone else's love.

That's why i had personally not let anyone "love" me for like ten years. That was me getting to know that part that needed fixing because intuitively I understood that was the cause of my personal anxiety.

Love is a wonderful thing that requires a strong foundation of clear decision making abilities.

Love is meant to be cherished defended and respected. Not used as an avoidance tactic.

What I personally discovered was my personal fear being "abandoned" was really my personal fear of hell. And once I figured out the path I needed to take to avoid that kind of situation, it didnt matter how hard that road was, because it was the road I was looking for that helped me escape that nagging anxiety i couldn't shake until then.

I wasnt looking for someone to love me, I was searching my personal darkness to do what I needed to do.

And then I discovered the importance of love, and that I needed love, but only after I faced what I needed to do.

When I told a friend about some "not deserving" love, I meant that they hadn't taken the time necessary to learn how to cherish love.

And that included every personality you've ever made to avoid that feeling of eventual damnation. Which is avoidable, if you quiet all those voices and find that road in the dark. The dark that's already there. You dont need to look for it. You would just need to understand it.

This is the truth of what I meant when I said that groups like the "illuminati" or "free masons" dont exist, its because as an authority, they dont. At least not if your soul is in the context of responsibility.

The illusion would melt away in the face of your true responsibility in this lifetime.

The general secret being that if you start at your own personal bottom than you'll have progress that can't ever be taken away. The illusion of potential loss for me was only an indicator of mutual wounds that needed healing. The process from illusion to clarity to the original truth of your soul freedom being clear.

In a place of clarity, I've found it useful to use those moments to understand a situation to project myself forward into the familiar space of clarity. In my experience, that's how that works.

That personal dark space for me became a personal place of light that became self sustaining. That's the end game of that.


Edited by samowens84 (01/26/20 10:19 AM)

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#121372 - 01/26/20 12:28 PM Re: red satanism [Re: samowens84]
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I'm sure you will take it in the opposite way it's intended, but worth it for everyone's humor for you to consider reading this book. At first it may not seem relevant to your cosmology, until you find yourself responding to it:


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