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#47992 - 02/03/11 06:30 PM A sexual "re-revolution".
Mitch Koch Offline
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I recently came across a website that was a huge eye-opener for me. Before I give you the url, I’m hoping you’ll take the time to read the thoughts I’m bringing forth. But I can’t blame the impatient ones who jump ahead and then go back to the beginning – I think we all do that on occasion.

OK – so as my wife and I progress in our relationship I’ve wanted to bring forth some observations that I felt were surfacing in her and of course I wanted to do it in the most thoughtful and informed manner as I could, so I hit the books and internet for a couple of weeks and discovered among many other things, a website devoted to “Taken in Hand” relationships. Some of you may already know what is definitive of this term and some may not. For those who do not I suggest checking the website out if you have a bit of time and are interested in male led, anti-feminist (therefore anti-misogynistic AND anti-misandric) relationships. The concept is “empowering” (read: indulging) the growth and maturation of both man and woman through active disciplinary measures which are lovingly provided to the woman by the man. The man “dishes out” the discipline because as a man, he should already know how to keep himself in check. The women who trusts in him, asks for his hand to lead her into being the best woman she can be for her and for him. Reading the posts on this website was nothing less than delightful for me! It had been so long since I met a woman (with a few exceptions, my wife included) who hasn’t been emotionally-mutilated by the indoctrination into feminism, as it has nearly destroyed male/female relations.

I can equate T.I.H to Satanism in the sense that they are both widely misunderstood concepts and therefore have ugly rumors and stigma attached to them. TIH is NOT about abuse of the woman (or man). I would never endorse such barbarism. Rather it is the old notion of “husband knows best” but not by an act of mere male arrogance or unwarranted force. It is the woman’s love for the man which determines the amount of physical control he has over her (sounds like everyday human nature, if ya ask me). Not surprisingly, a lot of women crave this type of relationship and a lot of folks are in one, but they didn’t know there was a defining term (another likeness to discovering Satanism). I found all of this very intriguing so I showed the website to my wife and confirmed many things about her that I had suspected. Without getting too personal, I can safely say that she was receptive to many of the factors of TIH; physical punishment not being one of them however (this is not uncommon within the TIH realm). That’s fine because I don’t want to have to spank my wife for any reason. That is something her parents should have done years ago, but I commend the ladies who know they lacked that “something” in their youth and ask their husbands to step up to the plate. And only a qualified man in her eyes would be honored enough to teach his female companion the pleasures of accountability.) What my wife does crave, however, is for me to be the decision-maker who “wears the pants” in the family. These are traits that I otherwise have to subdue, so this was great news. It was so refreshing to not feel like a “rapist” for merely wanting to take tasks away from my wife because I recognized she hated doing them (i.e. paying bills, making final decisions on things, etc.).

Feminism has created a sea of egg shells that frankly, men cannot help but crush because of mere shoe size. This is the underlying notion of TIH and what separates it from mere BDSM and xtian Domestic Discipline relationships (as all power bestowed to the man is earned); it extends out of the bedroom where growth should happen first. It celebrates the difference (dare I say inequality) between the genders and it beckons back to a time when men were gentlemen and women were ladies. I am so lucky to have a woman who is comfortable with being a woman. That is a stretch for most “modern women” who insist they WANT to be the mother, father, breadwinner and nurturer all in one felt swoop. Anyone with a heart and a brain knows that is impossible and for those of us gents who love women, it is downright sad. I encourage any gentleman on this site that is aware of his own strength (both physical and emotional) who may have trouble finding women who meet his standards, to read some of the ladies’ postings on the site: http://www.takeninhand.com.

Likewise, if there are ladies on this site who are tired of Beta “yes” men, go forth and be enlightened!


Edited by Mitch Koch (02/03/11 06:47 PM)
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#55172 - 05/29/11 04:41 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: Mitch Koch]
SerialKeller Offline
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Wherever things go wrong, there's something else created to answer it. And usually both things are wrong.
Naturally I think that males were superior in all ways to females (keyword: were), but look at the world today.
I have met so many men who are just complete idiots compared to me. Just look, for example, at all the men who are victimized and drained by the porn industry.
So now feminism has been created to answer the problem of some men being inferior to some women.

I think that website and it's philosophy, intentionally or not, subtly whispers in every man's ear that he knows best, which is really wrong.


Edited by SerialKeller (05/29/11 04:42 PM)

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#55202 - 05/30/11 02:37 AM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: SerialKeller]
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Wherever things go wrong, there's something else created to answer it. And usually both things are wrong.


What?

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Naturally I think that males were superior in all ways to females (keyword: were), but look at the world today.


"Superior" in what respect? And what of the world today?

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I have met so many men who are just complete idiots compared to me.


I shudder to think of who could be more of an idiot than you.

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ust look, for example, at all the men who are victimized and drained by the porn industry.


Victimized and drained? Who actually pays for porn in 2011?

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So now feminism has been created to answer the problem of some men being inferior to some women.


No. Feminism came about because some women were tired of feeling like they were treated as less than equal to men.

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I think that website and it's philosophy, intentionally or not, subtly whispers in every man's ear that he knows best, which is really wrong.


There's nothing subtle about it.
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#55226 - 05/30/11 06:49 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

I shudder to think of who could be more of an idiot than you.


Oh, yes, you must be correct. I forgot we are in an occult forum so you obviously, from my few posts here, used your magickal ability to look straight into my mind and find out that I am the biggest idiot you have ever heard of.

Or maybe you just know some very smart people...

I'm sorry you didn't understand the first thing I said, I spoke the clearest English I can, I believe you are at least average intelligence and probably so much smarter than me so I can't understand why it confuses you. I will try to explain it to you if you decide you need extra help deciphering the sentences.

And by superior I meant, stronger and more dominant.

You would be surprised how many people pay for porn. How else do they make so much money?

And I know we don't want to be treated less than equal to men, because we know now we're not less than equal.

Maybe you are right about the last part of your post, though.

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#55232 - 05/30/11 07:38 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: SerialKeller]
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SerialKeller:

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Oh, yes, you must be correct. I forgot we are in an occult forum so you obviously, from my few posts here, used your magickal ability to look straight into my mind and find out that I am the biggest idiot you have ever heard of.

It's more likely that he, like me, used his magickal ability to look straight into the fact that most of your posts have been vapid.


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I'm sorry you didn't understand the first thing I said, I spoke the clearest English I can, I believe you are at least average intelligence and probably so much smarter than me so I can't understand why it confuses you.

Keep this one around for a gloomy day, 6Satan6Archist6. She snivels like a pro.


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#55234 - 05/30/11 08:31 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: Zophos]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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Oh, yes, you must be correct. I forgot we are in an occult forum so you obviously, from my few posts here, used your magickal ability to look straight into my mind and find out that I am the biggest idiot you have ever heard of.


Judging from what I have read of your posts so far I feel safe in assuming that you probably aren't among the brightest of your peers. Or perhaps you are and you just have trouble articulating yourself. I'm not going to bet on that though.

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I'm sorry you didn't understand the first thing I said, I spoke the clearest English I can, I believe you are at least average intelligence and probably so much smarter than me so I can't understand why it confuses you. I will try to explain it to you if you decide you need extra help deciphering the sentences.


This is not a matter of my intelligence. A person can be the smartest person in the world and if the person they are talking to doesn't make sense, then they wont understand.

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And by superior I meant, stronger and more dominant.
Right but you still have not said what that has to do with your post. Nor have you explained what it has to do with "the world today".

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You would be surprised how many people pay for porn. How else do they make so much money?


I was being facetious. Of course people pay for porn, otherwise there wouldn't still be a market. I refuse to believe that people in (mainstream) porn - whether performers or consumers - are being victimized and drained. And if they are, then it is by choice so what's the problem?

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And I know we don't want to be treated less than equal to men, because we know now we're not less than equal.


So now you speak for all women everywhere? I know a few women who don't see themselves as "equal" to men and they are quite happy with it.

I would highly suggest that you give your posts more thought before submitting them.
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#55238 - 05/30/11 09:50 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: SerialKeller]
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 Originally Posted By: SerialKeller

You would be surprised how many people pay for porn. How else do they make so much money?


Its called advertising. You dont think those pop ups, or click throughs are there for decoration do you? By linking themselves to "our best friends" site they assure themselves a fresh supply of eyes to see what they are offering and history proves that sometimes we buy what we see. Whether or not people go into debt to look at porn could be true, but most of the stuff available is high quality, free and the only price we pay is sifting through the ads.
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#55261 - 05/31/11 12:22 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: Ghostly1]
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I should have figured challenging the ideas of the original poster would result in a huge(?) clash of opinions, but since I didn't come here to prove my superiority to other people or change the world I'm going to leave the debates. On the internet, even with kinda-smart people, it just ends in frustration.
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#55283 - 05/31/11 05:58 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: SerialKeller]
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I should have figured challenging the ideas of the original poster would result in a huge(?) clash of opinions, but since I didn't come here to prove my superiority to other people or change the world I'm going to leave the debates. On the internet, even with kinda-smart people, it just ends in frustration.

That sounds like an excellent idea. If you can't take the heat in the kitchen, going to Hell is probably a fool's errand.

Penetrating discussion, together with vigorous debate, is the bread and butter of this forum. Judging from your output so far, you have nothing to contribute to either one. I would love to be proven wrong, but if this relatively innocuous thread has knotted your panties so much that you feel the need to abandon debate here entirely, I have no reason to believe that I will be.


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#55307 - 05/31/11 10:53 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: Zophos]
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No I just remembered I don't like debating with people on the internet, 24 letters and 10 numbers aren't a good medium to express my views. And I get frustrated too easily at people who are overly-aggressive about their opinions and are too quick to treat me like I've done something wrong, because I don't agree with them.

Also, this is not Hell. It's a forum. You make it out to be a place of intense torture and debate. It's just the internet.


Edited by SerialKeller (05/31/11 10:54 PM)

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#55309 - 06/01/11 12:15 AM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: SerialKeller]
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If letters and numbers are not enough to express your views then you have some serious issues.

In this forum, intelligence matters. Backing up your views and opinions matters,if you get frustrated defending your opinion you are probably in the wrong place.

We don't coddle people here. This place ends up testing individuals intellectual mettle.

"You make it out to be a place of intense torture and debate."

It is for some who fail to make "the grade".

On that note, you are getting a time out to read and learn more.

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#105557 - 02/17/16 01:05 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: SerialKeller]
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 Originally Posted By: SK
I think that website and it's philosophy, intentionally or not, subtly whispers in every man's ear that he knows best, which is really wrong.


I don't disagree, the power of suggestion.

I think a lot of this advice is too generalized. It can't account for the individuality of each person involved.

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If a man is not constantly fighting you for leadership, but feels that he IS the leader in your relationship that frees him up to be generous.


It can also have other effects. It also operates on the notion that one person has leadership in the relationship and a power-struggle must ensue. There's all sorts of relationships, to include those that have no leadership. It doesn't mean it's an equal partnership either. People will give and take what they need from any relationship.

It seems more like a cult philosophy than a pragmatic approach to relationships.

I'm quite familiar with the sort of woman that would rather have her husband care for her (much like a child) than be independent. If that's what she wants, have at it. Complaints usually follow, such as "Why do I have to beg my husband for pocket money, it's so demeaning!?" "Why can't I just buy anything I want like our income is limitless and I'm given an allowance like a child?" "Why do all decisions have to be approved by the King?" etc.

I don't know that advice on this website would be useful to the new-age housewife.


Even the expectations article falls flat.

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So what these poster couples are doing is accentuating the positive, and not expecting more than any human being could possibly deliver. It is not enough to say that you think we are all fallible: you have to act on it. That means, amongst other things, assuming that you and your loved ones will make mistakes, do the wrong thing, and have misunderstandings. Expect mistakes! And don't define yourself, your loved one and your relationship by them. To feel more positive, focus on the positive.


Mistakes? What like when your Lead Man drinks the mortgage payment? Can't manage money but demands to be in control of it?

A lot of this just sounds really unrealistic. "Focus on the positive", what like telling this guy that although he has other redeeming qualities, he just sucks at balancing the check book? Yeah, that always goes over so well!

 Originally Posted By: SK
So now feminism has been created to answer the problem of some men being inferior to some women.


I think what this user was getting at, is that the 'solution' is often the problem.
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#105558 - 02/17/16 02:00 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: SIN3]
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Shhh, nobody tell Miss Jones that she is responding to a banned user on a 5 year old thread. ;\)

On another note it's kinda funny that OP got a 'temporary ban/timeout' in 2011 that still isn't over. I guess some people need more time than others to reflect.


Edited by Asmedious (02/17/16 10:33 PM)
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#105559 - 02/17/16 03:41 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: Dan_Dread]
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So what?

It's just a forum. Just an archive. None of that matters. Well... maybe to you it does.

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#105563 - 02/17/16 10:34 PM Re: A sexual "re-revolution". [Re: Dan_Dread]
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On another note it's kinda funny that OP got a 'temporary ban/timeout' in 2011 that still isn't over. I guess some people need more time than others to reflect.


I checked the OP's status. From what I can tell he's not banned. What makes you think that he is? Did I miss something?
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