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#60269 - 10/20/11 05:20 AM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: Pheonix666]
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 Originally Posted By: Pheonix666
 Originally Posted By: Fist
'Never love something so much that cannot stand to watch it die.'

Sorry, but that doesn't sit well with me, and I'm sure it doesn't with others. How could one love another person, and not hurt to see them die? Wouldn't a part of yourself die with them either way?

-sigh- If you love someone enough, you'd want to be with them until the end. So, why would anyone listen to such a quote in the first place?

My apologies for this. It struck a chord with me.


I think you're confusing "cannot stand" with something that does "not hurt." Certainly it hurts to part with things that have been a part of My life, perhaps for many years; but sometimes I choose to do so because it is in My own better interests and for My own benefit. Someone who "cannot stand" to do so would only be hurting themselves in the long run.
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#60448 - 10/26/11 02:56 AM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: Opacus]
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Take this as it may be taken; but it is really up to no one else but you to give both physical and mental pleasure or fulfillment to the person you are in a relationship with. Maybe no one can fulfill that person because that person might be a bottomless cup (I'm sure you've heard the expression), or maybe you just aren't what that person is looking for. Maybe that person is attracted to infidelity (such people do seem to exist). It could be any number of things but in all it's best not to dwell on something that doesn't matter. What will be, will be. Not everyone is built the same.

If I had to offer some important advice, I would say that it's up to you to fulfill that person if that person is indeed capable of being fulfilled. On the other hand it is also up to that person to fulfill you, and if that is not happening in your present relationship then you should likely not fret over either theirs or your own infidelity if it ever comes to that ... unless you are married in which case I hope you signed a prenup. ;\)

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#61129 - 11/05/11 02:00 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: RAIDER]
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I have read only the first two pages of this discussion and have come to a shocking conclusion. I don't think I am a Satanist. I have been through being cheated on, I have lived the hell of self doubt it caused for a while in me. I know how it made me feel and honestly I can't find myself agreeing with some of the stuff that has been said on the topic. I feel that when one is in a committed relationship their lover should be the only one they seek personal satisfaction from. Porn I can agree with, erotica I can agree with. Cheating, be it physical or something like cyber sex real time with other person to me seems wrong. In short I honestly have a lot to think about and I might not be back to the forum, honestly I don't think I will be.
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#61131 - 11/05/11 02:05 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: CyborgDreamSt8]
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I have read only the first two pages of this discussion and have come to a shocking conclusion. I don't think I am a Satanist.


There is nothing wrong with that decision. I tend to agree with you, because in my opinion if one is a Satanist there is no doubt in their mind about being one, and no comments of any kind on any forum would have them question their identity as a Satanist.
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#61133 - 11/05/11 02:12 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: CyborgDreamSt8]
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Sounds to me like you just found an issue you need to tackle. Identifying WHY the comments on that thread bothered you, why that incident still effects you will be key in your own personal progression.

As for what other said on that thread, why should that matter? Why would that cause a crisis of faith" (for lack of a better term)?
What other people do (say) is inconsequential from my personal perspective. I got to much of my own shit to deal with.
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#61136 - 11/05/11 02:18 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: CyborgDreamSt8]
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 Originally Posted By: CyborgDreamSt8
I have read only the first two pages of this discussion and have come to a shocking conclusion. I don't think I am a Satanist. I have been through being cheated on, I have lived the hell of self doubt it caused for a while in me. I know how it made me feel and honestly I can't find myself agreeing with some of the stuff that has been said on the topic. I feel that when one is in a committed relationship their lover should be the only one they seek personal satisfaction from. Porn I can agree with, erotica I can agree with. Cheating, be it physical or something like cyber sex real time with other person to me seems wrong. In short I honestly have a lot to think about and I might not be back to the forum, honestly I don't think I will be.


I am certainly a Satanist, and I do not nor have I ever cheated on a girl I was with. Shit I better go too...

No but seriously, how did these two things get tied together?
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#61137 - 11/05/11 02:23 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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They don't.

They are only linked when people are afraid to think on their own verses following what other people say.

People limit their own mind. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have to do something because someone else does.

People need to start thinking for themselves and taking responsibility for their choices.

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#61140 - 11/05/11 03:50 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: Morgan]
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CyborgDreamSt8, you may or may not be a Satanist, but you should know that you don't have to agree with others. I especially agree with FemaleSatan and Morgan. Don't limit yourself, and know yourself as the final authority on you.
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#61142 - 11/05/11 04:20 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: Tallulah]
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CyberDream So basically some other people had an opinion you didn't agree with so now you're whole belief system has been destroyed??

When you were cheated on, i'm sure it hurt. Did you make your partner cheat? Were you that in control of their mind? You may of pushed them away, you may have done everything you can to satisfy them. Either way, you will have learned something and moved forward.

To think that the path you commit to isn't right because SOME of your fellow practitioners have a different thinking is very shallow, and makes me wonder if you truly knew what you were following in the place.
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#61143 - 11/05/11 04:33 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: RAIDER]
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Take it for what you will. I'm married with children now. I've made vows to my wife I intend to keep. Previous relationships i've had have at some point have been emotionally or physically unfulfilling so they've ended.
Infidelity is an option. I think if you have a perfect relationship in everyway, but are unfulfilled sexually then a shag buddy as such is something to consider. If that one need is serviced elsewhere and allows your relationship to flourish then so be it. As long as your not caught.

You make a commitment sometimes, however all your life you meet people who you just have a connection with emotionally or physically. You can either deprive the excitement of following the 'forbidden' path because it's 'wrong' or you can objectively look at the situation, realise what will make you happier and then make your choice.
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#61144 - 11/05/11 07:14 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: Grayson96]
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This is true that we meet partners in life who we are happy with and dont care for another- and though it may seem a taboo topic, the truth is that STDs are rather rampid. Some may say statistics are only aimed to scare people, but if HIV/AIDS really is that prevalent, then yes we ought to act accordingly. Condoms aside, getting tested and staying true to a good partner is very ideal. Yes I wish I could point to the origin of the epidemic and do away with it but lets be glad we do have many research specialists working on finding the cure once and for all. Even if and when the cure is available, Im most likely not going to live like I used to- that is to say wild and out of control sexually. Ive been happiest when I was with one or a few partners. I suppose this is due to my energy being more focused and on a purer plane thats more solitaire in mind and emotion. My soul feels at rest.
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#61158 - 11/05/11 10:54 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: CyborgDreamSt8]
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I have read only the first two pages of this discussion and have come to a shocking conclusion. I don't think I am a Satanist.


I'm going to have to agree with you. That you aren't a Satanist, that is. Sex and relationships are a personal matter and the old saying "different strokes for different folks" most certainly applies here. A Satanist would recognize this.
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#61168 - 11/06/11 04:51 AM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: COINTELPRO]
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This has a lot to do with how people see sex.

A lot of people try to believe they've stripped all the intimacy and emotion out of sex. They want to believe that the just fuck because it's fun and they're above the silly emotions tacked onto it.
That attitude is bullshit. The denial of the strong ties between sex and self-worth-- The natural desire to feel wanted. That's why people fuck. The suave motherfucker who thinks he's some hot alphamale because he can pick up a different girl every night does so to make himself feel better. Behind the whole act is most often a sad and lonely man. Most of them I've known have are guys who have never gotten over having their heart broken by some ex long ago.

Everybody wants to laugh and look down at the drunken slut who flirts with everyone and fucks strangers to make herself feel better (especially mr.alphamale fucking her) but nobody seems to notice these ladies-man types are the same thing.

Of course some guys do it because it makes them feel smarter than someone, especially if they have issues with women. Some do it to feel superior to other men. All of these behaviors are the result of feeling inadequate. Everybody knows it, nobody wants to admit it.

The point is that sex and that funny feeling for that special someone are not something forced on us by society. The pairing of love (or almost love) with sex is instinctual, natural, and CARNAL.

If you're in the position where you're breaking promises and sneaking around behind a lover's back for some action on the side you're a total dickhead. You want to fool yourself into thinking you're manipulating your world into pleasing your carnal desires (because that idea has made you feel so big and strong) but most likely you're feeling weak for one reason or you're trying to boost a weak ego.

Satanism should be about understanding and acknowledging every aspect of yourself (warts and all) and the empowering yourself through metaphor and perspective. When you skip the first part and use that metaphor and perspective as a tool of denial about yourself then you're just an arrogant idiot. Especially if you're using it as a tool to justify infidelity.

I'll be the first to tell you I've slept with very few women (this is by choice, not because I can't get laid). I'd say fucking a partner without that emotional connection is really more what you're doing when you're masturbating, not when you're having passionate sex with a lover. Better than masturbating for sure, but more a mechanical hormone release than something great. But sex with lover- THAT is amazing.

You can easily have it both ways. Have fun when you're single. Take your relationships seriously. Have amazing passionate sex with your lover. Wank to a dirty porn movie every once in a while. How can you not be content with that?

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#61385 - 11/14/11 11:23 AM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: TV is God]
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I'm not a Satanist. I just don't believe in sexually exclusive relationships, personally. That's just me. I'm polyamorous, and on top of that, I feel that my sexuality is mine and mine alone. I feel that if I lust for someone/love someone, I should be able to express these feelings without someone who does not own my body complaining about it. I'm one person, therefore, one person makes my decisions. My decisions/feelings do not revolve around anyone outside of this body and mind that I occupy. If someone gets angry at the way I use my sexuality, I see them as crossing a serious line. They're only a couple of steps away from being rapists, in my book. I'm all about freedom.

@TV is God- You're right. However, I feel I have the right to seek validation in my own way. For me, being able to have sex freely with as many people as I want is not only pleasurable, but the thought remains in the back of my head, "I'm doing this because I chose to, and nobody can stop me from making this choice." It reminds me that I have power over myself. And as long as I decide to have multiple partners, I CAN have multiple partners. I'm really big on dictating all of my own decisions.

That's why I have sex OUTSIDE of my relationships. As for the people who can rightfully call themselves my lovers? I love them all to the same intensity and I have a unique relationship with each man. It is possible to love more than one person. I think sex outside of a relationship becomes a problem when there is deceit involved. If everyone I'm with knows that I have other partners, and occasionally pick up anonymous ones on the side, then I'm not being unfaithful. It doesn't go against the rules of our relationship. And if anyone grows to have a problem with it, they can leave. If they truly loved me, they'd respect where I'm coming from.

I may change one day, but honestly, I think it'd be a waste if I did. I love my freedom. I love waking up every morning to the realization that I am one person, and my desires are mine to fulfill.

This is my first post here. I really hope I don't sound like a moron.


Edited by Magnussa (11/14/11 11:27 AM)

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#62477 - 12/10/11 02:34 PM Re: Thoughts on infidelity? [Re: Jake999]
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lol jake999 your too funny brother. lmao plenty to go around..
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