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#48816 - 02/14/11 12:33 AM Atlas Shrugged: the movie
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This one is sure to receive mixed reviews.

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#48883 - 02/15/11 06:16 PM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I imagine this will be much like that other three-parter, Lord of the Rings. There will be the purists who shudder any moment the contents of the book are slightly modified or cut, there will be people who camp out for tickets, there will be celebrations of the film. But given the nature of how it was produced and the dwindling fan base, I suspect there will be far fewer of them.

P.S. Why the hell is Dagny blonde? Every depiction I've seen of her in cartoon (and now film) is blonde. She wasn't blonde in the book.
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#48887 - 02/15/11 07:10 PM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: XiaoGui17]
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WOW! This is exciting. It's about time! Actually the fan base may be larger than expected. Atlas Shrugged is required reading in a lot of colleges.

And yes, I hope I don't sound like a purist when I say this but I never pictured Dagny as a blond either. If I remember correctly, in the book she was described as brunette. Also, she seems a little overly made up and polished like she spent hours in a salon. I pictured her as a hard worker who dressed appropriately but didn't have time to go out of her way for the full spa treatment. Oh well, that's Hollywood! I still wouldn't miss it for the world!
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#48891 - 02/15/11 09:48 PM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: LucyFur]
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I can't wait, and given the current political climate in the US this is quite timely.

Like any movie based on a book (Dune comes to mind) there will be a lot of fans who will sharp shoot the movie. Of course, there will be a lot of non-readers who won't get the movie. You just can't please all of the people all of the time.

I am pretty sure Rand saw herself as Dagny in search of the Ubermench, so we can only guess that Dagny was brunette. This is where the art of film making comes in. You have to balance cinematic excellence against staying true to every letter of the story.
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#48892 - 02/15/11 10:02 PM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: Fist]
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Hey Fist,
You make an excellent point about people who haven't read the book not getting it. It will probably garner a cult following with the main stream morons either questioning what they just saw or avoiding it altogether. Hopefully, it will encourage some to actually read the book.

Atlas Shrugged was given to me by a dear friend several years ago. When he found out I actually read it, he reacted with shock and tears of joy. He told me he had given that book to countless friends and relatives including his wife and none of them bothered to read it. If that is any indication of the number of people who have actually read the book, then the movie may not do well. But I'm banking on all those college students who were forced to read it. I'm not letting my kids see the movie until they read it! ;\)

The first 200 pages or so were boring as hell but well worth sticking it out as I still list it as one of the best books I ever read.
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#48915 - 02/16/11 01:56 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: LucyFur]
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I got through the first pages all right, partly because I liked the characterization and build, and I had a sense of what was coming. I'm cautiously hopeful that it does well; its message is so relevant today. I'll definitely encourage people to attend.

When Rearden gives Dagny the fur cape:
The cape left nothing to be seen of her, except the brown of her hair, the blue-grey of her eyes, the shape of her mouth.

Yeah, she was a brunette. Ah, well. I guess I'm already starting to be a purist fan. I would've changed a couple things myself, though. I always imagined a film rendition involving the modernization of certain elements, as Dagny loved to be on the cutting edge of technology. I pictured her tapping a Blackberry, smoking an electronic cigarette, and that sort of thing.
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#48916 - 02/16/11 02:36 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I think the message has always been and will be relevant. It is a timeless classic.

Last year I took an English class and on the first day I was asked to name my favorite book, and naturally the first ones that popped in my head were written by Crowley, Nietzsche, and LaVey, but I didn't want to freak anyone out so I said Atlas Shrugged.

What surprised me was the reaction I got from the instructor who was an arrogant pretty boy who acted like he was god's gift to every 19 year old girl in the room. He made some snide remark about how he wasn't surprised then accused me of being a Republican soccer mom who voted for Bush, going on and on about how people like me are what's wrong with this country! I damn near fell out of my chair laughing! This guy had no idea who I was and judged me by one book I liked. And since when do Bush-loving Republicans have a sense of morality? No offense to Republicans - I'm a Libertarian, but come on! Bush?

From that day forward I made it a point to wear some sort of Satanic T-shirt and jewelry to his class just to scare the shit out of him. I also chose occult subjects for all the papers I wrote in that class. I bet he will think twice now before he stereotypes a person based on their age and the books they read.
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#48923 - 02/16/11 09:15 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: LucyFur]
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This classic Ayn Rand interview with a young Mike Wallace is about the clearest case for 'our' philosophy. As always, she states her case well without sounding like a 'nut'. ASL also had this ability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukJiBZ8_4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMTDaVpBPR0&feature=related
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#48928 - 02/16/11 10:21 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: Fist]
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Excellent videos!
I find it interesting that the liberals and conservatives each, use her philosophy to bash the other and bolster their own position, yet she clearly stated in the Mike Wallace interview, "both parties are for socialism, in effect".

In the following clip she explains what is wrong with the conservative position. I really have no problem with fiscal conservatism except for the warped motivations and outright greed and lack of morality which drives those motivations. But then it is not surprising. Government regulation is used to destroy the competition and religion is used to control the population. So, in essence, the whole system is build on lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTf6NK0wsiA&feature=related

As a 54 year old woman back in college, I have been ridiculed and scorned for saying that we should be honest for honesty's sake and true to ourselves and our innate morality, not to please some other person or mythical god. They ridicule me yet I see the fear in their eyes because I come from a position of strength that they don't understand. It takes courage to stand up and take responsibility for yourself in all aspects of your being. Most people are weak-willed and so heavily indoctrinated they are unable and unwilling to explore beyond the confines of their own mind-prison.

The Phil Donahue interview shows how much Rand was feared and scorned, even by Donahue himself. I wonder if she would have been treated any differently today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTmac2fs5HQ&feature=related
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#49012 - 02/17/11 01:57 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: LucyFur]
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Neo-con fans of Rand crack me up. Like the Bible, they take Atlas Shrugged and just read the parts that they already agree with (i.e. "capitalism is good, social welfare is bad"). They conveniently ignore Rand's disdain for superstition, authoritarianism, and traditionalism.

I got a kick out of seeing the guy who calls himself "The Atheist Antidote" (the Antidote to Atheism is what he means) quoting Rand front and center on his Facebook page.

Your prof probably mistook you for one of those clowns.
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#49023 - 02/17/11 10:51 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I'm not just a little disappointed in the 'look' of the film.

I would have loved to see this treated as neo noir with a Streamline Moderne design sensibility.

Rand herself was a big fan of Romanticism and of Deco/Nouveau/Streamline and treating the film as such would have been a hat tip to the styles that she loved.

Also, in the context of Atlas Shrugged, the train was a really viable mode of transport. Showing the story in the present day dilutes the importance of at least that aspect.

I don't know, right off the bat it's missing its mark for me. Maybe it'll be great though (even if I can't yet see how).

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#49024 - 02/17/11 11:01 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord

Also, in the context of Atlas Shrugged, the train was a really viable mode of transport. Showing the story in the present day dilutes the importance of at least that aspect.

I don't know, right off the bat it's missing its mark for me. Maybe it'll be great though (even if I can't yet see how).



Excellent point Fnord. I haven't seen the movie yet, although it's on my must see list. I would think that making it a period piece would bring the noir aspect of Rand's novel to the fore as well, set amongs the deco and moderne backdrops of the time.

I kind of wonder if today's audiences will get a grasp on Atlas Shrugged over all.
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#49029 - 02/17/11 11:29 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: Fnord]
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That was my first reaction as well. My grandfather was a big time railroad exec and told me stories about the days when the railroad was king of transportation. I was disappointed that they didn't make it a period piece in order to emphasize how important it was back then. However, after thinking about it realistically, Hollywood is in the business of making money so they will pander to those who are willing to spend it.

Let's face it, the dumbed-down masses probably wouldn't relate to Rand's story in it's original form, especially those whose sympathies lie with the parasite characters. But more importantly, the majority nowadays can't even tell you which states border their own home state, let alone understand how important the railroads were in the history of civilization.

Maybe the producers felt they needed to modernize it in order to appeal to a mass audience.
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#49032 - 02/17/11 11:51 AM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: LucyFur]
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It's just completely out of context for me. The railroad really isn't important as a mode of transport these days (in the US) so unless they do back up and show the railroad to be of importance (best done when it was in its prime) the story loses some of its sting.

Taking this approach, they should have made it about shoddy aluminum used on aircraft or something. That wouldn't make the point any stronger, I suppose, but it might short circuit the effect of people walking out of the theater thinking folk just should have taken a plane... it was probably cheaper!

Anyway, somewhat off topic, In Galveston, TX there is an old railroad museum with several mouldering Moderne cars that you can just walk through and play around in. Doing so really gives a feel for the luxury liner on rails that some of these things were.

Ah well, I'm sure I'll watch it and enjoy it and think about what could have been.

By the by, early 1930's New York in King Kong was done exceedingly well. If only...

You do have a point though, people won't appreciate all the possible intellectual facets this film could explore, so it will ultimately be an appeal to the masses. The 600Club is the only place in my world where my disappointment might be well understood.
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#49055 - 02/17/11 05:02 PM Re: Atlas Shrugged: the movie [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: LucyFur
Maybe the producers felt they needed to modernize it in order to appeal to a mass audience.


I've heard rumors that they didn't make it a period piece because of funding. It would have been more expensive to make things look old, and they didn't have the money, so they set it in modern times to keep it within budget. It is essentially a small budget indie project.

Many have noted that nowadays trains are more often advocated by liberals who want the state to fund them (Amtrak, etc.), so it does look odd for an industrial giant to be running a railway in this day and age. I guess they're hoping the audience can suspend disbelief and understand the intent.
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