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#49120 - 02/18/11 07:44 PM Curse
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Firstly visualise them. Build them up in your mind, learn to SEE what they look like. When you have a mental image and the vibration of your victim you can begin to destroy them. One thing I must state is that there is no limit to the amount of acausal energy that can be released, so don't think that after you have finished the ritual (should you choose to formalise things) that you can't meditate on their demise. When you start lucid dreaming about butchering them, then you know you're on the right track. After you have a mental image of them, you need to decide their fate, and KNOW that it WILL happen to them. Visualise them being torn apart, use vivid and obsessive imagery. Use a memorabilia to represent them (fetish item) – Spill your seed over the fetish, visualising their suffering and death at the point of orgasm. Channel your hate into the fetish by holding it. To amplify negativity into the fetish thereafter you may spit at it/ glare whenever you pass it in your home. When you have done this, you can now begin your 'single pointed meditation'. Visualise the fetish when meditating. Don't think about the meaning behind it, just visualise it. Get an image of the fetish so clear in your mind that you know it like the back of your hand. When this has been accomplished, you can now visualise it being destroyed. You can get into a suitable state through the aforementioned meditative techniques, through the death posture, cultivation of sensory deprivation, cultivation of sleep paralysis, self mutilation/ flagellation. You just need your consciousness altered enough so that you can focus on ONE thing. One final thing to do would be to destroy the fetish, releasing even more energy. Work this act of destruction into a ritual.

Make sure that you flood the imagery of death vividly and do not be alarmed if a rotten smell or other sensory unpleasantness occur, a metallic taste leading to vomiting, muscle spasms etc. Let the black stimulation/vibration of death invade you and permeate reality.

A similar but prolonged series of these combined rituals were received and performed late 2010 and early this year of 2011. A fatality resulted.
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#49206 - 02/20/11 10:25 AM Re: Curse [Re: Hegesias]
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OK...you must’ve been really pissed at this person. What did he/she do that upset you so much? Rituals such as the one you describe are good for venting and for putting yourself in the proper state of mind to take “real world” action against a person (attack him physically, con him out of his money, etc.).

Do you think the rituals themselves were the cause of the fatality? If so, how would you explain it? Did demons do your dirty work for you, or did you do it yourself through astral projection? Why do you think the fatality was a result of your rituals? People die all the time.

I have to admit, I find the whole curse rituals=death idea a bit hard to swallow. However, I’m sure others here have a different view. I would like to hear their thoughts on the subject.
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#49234 - 02/20/11 02:47 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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I don't think he he was pointing out a person in particular.
Just giving a guide on performing curses.

As to the OP, while intriguing to perform I don't really see much use and prefer to punch the cursed one. Or creating a bit of chaos in his surroundings.. with getting plenty of information by simply watching his steps and/or hearing to some of his friends.
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#49253 - 02/20/11 06:05 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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While I prefer to take care of my enemies on the material plane, I have had experiences where curses worked. One was particularly effective, and I was so pissed when I spoke the curse that I didn't intend for it to actually come true, it was just anger speaking.

In this case, a high school administrator brought serious charges against my eldest boy and before we showed up for a meeting which he called, I sought the advice of an attorney. Once inside the meeting the administrator asked a question that I refused to allow my son to answer on advise of said attorney. When he found out I spoke to an attorney, he got 2 inches from my face and yelled at me. I was so disgusted by this display of aggression and humiliated by the fact that nobody in the room came to my defense, instead they all seemed mesmerized by the spectacle. As we were leaving his office I said loud and clear, "I hope that prick gets throat cancer and his tongue rots out before dies."

Two years later he was dead from throat cancer. It shocked the hell out of me since I hadn't done any formal ritual or even gave it much thought once I got over the heat of the moment. But my son sure remembered. He and his best friend brought me the obituary, laughing and making sick jokes about it.

Ever since then, my husband and kids refer to me as the witch of the house. LOL! And my husband, who is not at all into the occult, is scared shitless of the power he thinks I have. Occasionally, he will ask me to 'use' my power to 'fix' a situation, like I can just twitch my nose.......
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#49259 - 02/20/11 08:24 PM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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Cursing is brought on by the act, and power, of your Will. Its a bit like praying to an imaginary being. So long as you continue to believe that this will happen, it may (key word) happen eventually. It is, also, how Aleister Crowley had defined Magick, which is "the Science and Art of causing change to occur in conformity with Will." He claimed that "it is theoretically possible to cause in any object any change of which that object is capable by nature".

Using Ritual Magicks, one is able to bend events to your will. However, the question is, will you believe it, or laugh it off until you actually experience this?
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#49262 - 02/20/11 09:34 PM Re: Curse [Re: Pheonix666]
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 Originally Posted By: Pheonix666
Its a bit like praying to an imaginary being. So long as you continue to believe that this will happen, it may (key word) happen eventually.


It may happen if you believe. The thing is, it may happen if you don't believe as well. LucyFur's example demonstrates this; she had no belief that her curse would come true, but it did. So why do you consider belief an essential ingredient?
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#49264 - 02/20/11 11:08 PM Re: Curse [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Wasn't it LeVay who said an unbeliever is more vulnerable to a curse than a believer?

Believers tend to be on their guard and protect themselves from negative energy, astral nasties, spiritual warfare, or whatever you choose to call it. You need not be a religious person to be aware of and use certain energies to your advantage. In this case, I was so pissed off that I put that energy out there. Now, who knows, maybe he would have died of throat cancer regardless, and maybe he already had throat cancer when he was yelling in my face and I intuitively picked up on it.... The point is, there are energies at play. We all influence our environment in ways that are not always easily explained.

While I don't regret what happened for one second, given the hell that guy put my son through, I am much more careful with my words now!
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#49267 - 02/21/11 12:14 AM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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LucyFur, to say believers “protect themselves from negative energy, astral nasties, spiritual warfare, or whatever you choose to call it” assumes that such things exist. We have no conclusive scientific proof that they do. Believers believe whatever crazy shit they want, and I don’t think that has anything to do with whether one is “vulnerable to curses”.

LaVey also spoke of the importance of doubt. In this case, a healthy dose of skepticism might come in handy. How old was the “victim”? Was he a tobacco user? If so, how long had he been a user and how often had he used? Did he have a family history of cancer?

Are there things in life that are not easily explained? Absolutely. But saying someone got throat cancer and died simply because he pissed you off is a leap of faith I’m not prepared to make.
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#49275 - 02/21/11 02:08 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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William,

I am not assuming anything exists or doesn't exist and nobody is asking you to take a leap of faith, least of all, me. In my previous post I suggested different possibilities such as coincidence or intuition. The point is, it did happen and as a scientist, I find it rather curious that it happened in that way.

The average person does not know everything there is to know about electromagnetic energy and there are many discoveries yet to be made. But we do know that our energy affects our environment. That is not magick, that is science. I don't claim to know precisely how mine or anyone else's energy affects others but I do keep an open mind to new ideas and discoveries. It has nothing to do with faith.

I also don't give a flying rats ass what you believe or don't believe. And for the record, he was a non-smoker in his 40's, but his favorite food was hot dogs, so maybe the nitrates killed him. Or maybe he strained his throat too many times yelling at people. Who the fuck knows?

If it was a requirement for all ideas to be backed up by scientific proof in this forum then there wouldn't be a whole lot of participation.
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#49276 - 02/21/11 02:18 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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Cognitive dissonance may occur yet the results speak for themselves. You will know that the curse has worked when the victim lies insentient. Attempting to formalise things thereafter is pointless.

Remove all evidence/ remains of burned sigils which contained the victims information.

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#49282 - 02/21/11 08:15 AM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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LucyFur, you said, “(W)e do know that our energy affects our environment. That is not magick, that is science”. What do you mean by that statement? What scientific law supports that statement? How might it explain the possibility that you had caused the man to get throat cancer?
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#49312 - 02/21/11 06:49 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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William,

I merely described an experience that I personally had and made it clear that I didn't understand how the results came about, and could only make a few educated guesses.

You can chose to accept it for what it is or not. Either way it doesn't matter to me. I don't have the time nor the inclination to give you the benefit of 35 years of education and experience in the field of electromagnetic energy. If you feel the need to understand how the energy you produce effects your environment and other living creatures and visa versa, feel free to read about it. There are thousands of books and websites which explain various levels of electromagnetic energy, quantum physics, energy medicine, string theory, kirlian photography, orgone energy, hyperdimensional physics and more.
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#49325 - 02/21/11 10:16 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
LucyFur, you said, “(W)e do know that our energy affects our environment. That is not magick, that is science”. What do you mean by that statement? What scientific law supports that statement? How might it explain the possibility that you had caused the man to get throat cancer?


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#49342 - 02/22/11 12:36 AM Re: Curse [Re: Woland]
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Although it seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that electromagnetic energy might have something to do with cancer following the command to inhabit someone, I will admit that there is much that we do not know about how the world works. That said, I have no desire to merely wish good or ill of someone and hope the universe complies. If I want something done, I roll up my sleeves and work toward making it happen. Woland, thanks for the link.
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#49344 - 02/22/11 12:52 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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Coincidentally when I was 15 I beat a man who had cancer and he died of a ruptured artery. He was not cursed by me personally or anything, he was just a cunt (to my mother) if you count that as being cursed.
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