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#49120 - 02/18/11 07:44 PM Curse
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Firstly visualise them. Build them up in your mind, learn to SEE what they look like. When you have a mental image and the vibration of your victim you can begin to destroy them. One thing I must state is that there is no limit to the amount of acausal energy that can be released, so don't think that after you have finished the ritual (should you choose to formalise things) that you can't meditate on their demise. When you start lucid dreaming about butchering them, then you know you're on the right track. After you have a mental image of them, you need to decide their fate, and KNOW that it WILL happen to them. Visualise them being torn apart, use vivid and obsessive imagery. Use a memorabilia to represent them (fetish item) – Spill your seed over the fetish, visualising their suffering and death at the point of orgasm. Channel your hate into the fetish by holding it. To amplify negativity into the fetish thereafter you may spit at it/ glare whenever you pass it in your home. When you have done this, you can now begin your 'single pointed meditation'. Visualise the fetish when meditating. Don't think about the meaning behind it, just visualise it. Get an image of the fetish so clear in your mind that you know it like the back of your hand. When this has been accomplished, you can now visualise it being destroyed. You can get into a suitable state through the aforementioned meditative techniques, through the death posture, cultivation of sensory deprivation, cultivation of sleep paralysis, self mutilation/ flagellation. You just need your consciousness altered enough so that you can focus on ONE thing. One final thing to do would be to destroy the fetish, releasing even more energy. Work this act of destruction into a ritual.

Make sure that you flood the imagery of death vividly and do not be alarmed if a rotten smell or other sensory unpleasantness occur, a metallic taste leading to vomiting, muscle spasms etc. Let the black stimulation/vibration of death invade you and permeate reality.

A similar but prolonged series of these combined rituals were received and performed late 2010 and early this year of 2011. A fatality resulted.
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#49206 - 02/20/11 10:25 AM Re: Curse [Re: Hegesias]
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OK...you must’ve been really pissed at this person. What did he/she do that upset you so much? Rituals such as the one you describe are good for venting and for putting yourself in the proper state of mind to take “real world” action against a person (attack him physically, con him out of his money, etc.).

Do you think the rituals themselves were the cause of the fatality? If so, how would you explain it? Did demons do your dirty work for you, or did you do it yourself through astral projection? Why do you think the fatality was a result of your rituals? People die all the time.

I have to admit, I find the whole curse rituals=death idea a bit hard to swallow. However, I’m sure others here have a different view. I would like to hear their thoughts on the subject.
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#49234 - 02/20/11 02:47 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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I don't think he he was pointing out a person in particular.
Just giving a guide on performing curses.

As to the OP, while intriguing to perform I don't really see much use and prefer to punch the cursed one. Or creating a bit of chaos in his surroundings.. with getting plenty of information by simply watching his steps and/or hearing to some of his friends.
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#49253 - 02/20/11 06:05 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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While I prefer to take care of my enemies on the material plane, I have had experiences where curses worked. One was particularly effective, and I was so pissed when I spoke the curse that I didn't intend for it to actually come true, it was just anger speaking.

In this case, a high school administrator brought serious charges against my eldest boy and before we showed up for a meeting which he called, I sought the advice of an attorney. Once inside the meeting the administrator asked a question that I refused to allow my son to answer on advise of said attorney. When he found out I spoke to an attorney, he got 2 inches from my face and yelled at me. I was so disgusted by this display of aggression and humiliated by the fact that nobody in the room came to my defense, instead they all seemed mesmerized by the spectacle. As we were leaving his office I said loud and clear, "I hope that prick gets throat cancer and his tongue rots out before dies."

Two years later he was dead from throat cancer. It shocked the hell out of me since I hadn't done any formal ritual or even gave it much thought once I got over the heat of the moment. But my son sure remembered. He and his best friend brought me the obituary, laughing and making sick jokes about it.

Ever since then, my husband and kids refer to me as the witch of the house. LOL! And my husband, who is not at all into the occult, is scared shitless of the power he thinks I have. Occasionally, he will ask me to 'use' my power to 'fix' a situation, like I can just twitch my nose.......
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#49259 - 02/20/11 08:24 PM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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Cursing is brought on by the act, and power, of your Will. Its a bit like praying to an imaginary being. So long as you continue to believe that this will happen, it may (key word) happen eventually. It is, also, how Aleister Crowley had defined Magick, which is "the Science and Art of causing change to occur in conformity with Will." He claimed that "it is theoretically possible to cause in any object any change of which that object is capable by nature".

Using Ritual Magicks, one is able to bend events to your will. However, the question is, will you believe it, or laugh it off until you actually experience this?
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#49262 - 02/20/11 09:34 PM Re: Curse [Re: Pheonix666]
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 Originally Posted By: Pheonix666
Its a bit like praying to an imaginary being. So long as you continue to believe that this will happen, it may (key word) happen eventually.


It may happen if you believe. The thing is, it may happen if you don't believe as well. LucyFur's example demonstrates this; she had no belief that her curse would come true, but it did. So why do you consider belief an essential ingredient?
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#49264 - 02/20/11 11:08 PM Re: Curse [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Wasn't it LeVay who said an unbeliever is more vulnerable to a curse than a believer?

Believers tend to be on their guard and protect themselves from negative energy, astral nasties, spiritual warfare, or whatever you choose to call it. You need not be a religious person to be aware of and use certain energies to your advantage. In this case, I was so pissed off that I put that energy out there. Now, who knows, maybe he would have died of throat cancer regardless, and maybe he already had throat cancer when he was yelling in my face and I intuitively picked up on it.... The point is, there are energies at play. We all influence our environment in ways that are not always easily explained.

While I don't regret what happened for one second, given the hell that guy put my son through, I am much more careful with my words now!
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#49267 - 02/21/11 12:14 AM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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LucyFur, to say believers “protect themselves from negative energy, astral nasties, spiritual warfare, or whatever you choose to call it” assumes that such things exist. We have no conclusive scientific proof that they do. Believers believe whatever crazy shit they want, and I don’t think that has anything to do with whether one is “vulnerable to curses”.

LaVey also spoke of the importance of doubt. In this case, a healthy dose of skepticism might come in handy. How old was the “victim”? Was he a tobacco user? If so, how long had he been a user and how often had he used? Did he have a family history of cancer?

Are there things in life that are not easily explained? Absolutely. But saying someone got throat cancer and died simply because he pissed you off is a leap of faith I’m not prepared to make.
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#49275 - 02/21/11 02:08 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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William,

I am not assuming anything exists or doesn't exist and nobody is asking you to take a leap of faith, least of all, me. In my previous post I suggested different possibilities such as coincidence or intuition. The point is, it did happen and as a scientist, I find it rather curious that it happened in that way.

The average person does not know everything there is to know about electromagnetic energy and there are many discoveries yet to be made. But we do know that our energy affects our environment. That is not magick, that is science. I don't claim to know precisely how mine or anyone else's energy affects others but I do keep an open mind to new ideas and discoveries. It has nothing to do with faith.

I also don't give a flying rats ass what you believe or don't believe. And for the record, he was a non-smoker in his 40's, but his favorite food was hot dogs, so maybe the nitrates killed him. Or maybe he strained his throat too many times yelling at people. Who the fuck knows?

If it was a requirement for all ideas to be backed up by scientific proof in this forum then there wouldn't be a whole lot of participation.
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#49276 - 02/21/11 02:18 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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Cognitive dissonance may occur yet the results speak for themselves. You will know that the curse has worked when the victim lies insentient. Attempting to formalise things thereafter is pointless.

Remove all evidence/ remains of burned sigils which contained the victims information.

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#49282 - 02/21/11 08:15 AM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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LucyFur, you said, “(W)e do know that our energy affects our environment. That is not magick, that is science”. What do you mean by that statement? What scientific law supports that statement? How might it explain the possibility that you had caused the man to get throat cancer?
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#49312 - 02/21/11 06:49 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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William,

I merely described an experience that I personally had and made it clear that I didn't understand how the results came about, and could only make a few educated guesses.

You can chose to accept it for what it is or not. Either way it doesn't matter to me. I don't have the time nor the inclination to give you the benefit of 35 years of education and experience in the field of electromagnetic energy. If you feel the need to understand how the energy you produce effects your environment and other living creatures and visa versa, feel free to read about it. There are thousands of books and websites which explain various levels of electromagnetic energy, quantum physics, energy medicine, string theory, kirlian photography, orgone energy, hyperdimensional physics and more.
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#49325 - 02/21/11 10:16 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
LucyFur, you said, “(W)e do know that our energy affects our environment. That is not magick, that is science”. What do you mean by that statement? What scientific law supports that statement? How might it explain the possibility that you had caused the man to get throat cancer?


The Theory of Everything
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#49342 - 02/22/11 12:36 AM Re: Curse [Re: Woland]
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Although it seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that electromagnetic energy might have something to do with cancer following the command to inhabit someone, I will admit that there is much that we do not know about how the world works. That said, I have no desire to merely wish good or ill of someone and hope the universe complies. If I want something done, I roll up my sleeves and work toward making it happen. Woland, thanks for the link.
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#49344 - 02/22/11 12:52 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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Coincidentally when I was 15 I beat a man who had cancer and he died of a ruptured artery. He was not cursed by me personally or anything, he was just a cunt (to my mother) if you count that as being cursed.
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#49347 - 02/22/11 01:26 AM Re: Curse [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Coincidentally when I was 15 I beat a man who had cancer and he died of a ruptured artery. He was not cursed by me personally or anything, he was just a cunt (to my mother) if you count that as being cursed.


LOL! So maybe the guy I cursed got cancer because he was a cunt! Or maybe he willed it on himself because he knew he was a cunt! \:D

Thanks Woland for the link. I will check it out.
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#49363 - 02/22/11 07:18 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
How old was the “victim”? Was he a tobacco user? If so, how long had he been a user and how often had he used? Did he have a family history of cancer?


Did he suck dick on a regular basis?

 Originally Posted By: William Wright
Although it seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that electromagnetic energy might have something to do with cancer following the command to inhabit someone, I will admit that there is much that we do not know about how the world works. That said, I have no desire to merely wish good or ill of someone and hope the universe complies. If I want something done, I roll up my sleeves and work toward making it happen.


^^This. Two hands at work will accomplish more, guaranteed, than two at prayer or two shooting waves of malevolence in someone's general direction.

I have to give LucyFur credit for getting an attorney and following the advice she was given. That shows that she's not just the "light some black candles in the basement and hope this happens" type. ;\)
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#49428 - 02/22/11 11:48 PM Re: Curse [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Thanks XiaoGui17!

Actually, that situation grew into an ugly one indeed. And I was glad I had the good sense to hire a lawyer. It happened 1999, right after the Columbine killings. My eldest son was a computer whiz who enjoyed hacking and building websites with his hacker friends. He built a cheesy little site that was a parody of his high school Carmel High School (CHS). He called it Come Hail Satan and adorned it with flaming pentagrams and silly gossip about the teachers. Although there were no threats made on his site, 3 of the teachers freaked out when they discovered it, and blew it all out of proportion. I got phones calls from the school demanding to know if I were a Christian or a devil worshiper and when I refused to answer them they assumed that we were all building bombs and sacrificing babies in the basement.

It was a harmless prank that got blown out of proportion to the point where the 3 teachers tried to get my son arrested and filed a lawsuit against us. They ambushed us by calling a press conference to announce the lawsuit and that is when the death threats started. That is also when the New York Times called because no student had ever been sued by a teacher before. My son was 15 years old at the time and I had to send him far away to protect him from the fundie Christian wackos who were out for blood.

Next thing I knew John Stossel called me and asked for an interview. I didn't want to do it but the teachers had already consented to it and you know every unopposed lie becomes truth when repeated enough times, especially in the press, so I took advantage of the opportunity to tell it how it really was. I know this all sounds utterly insane but this story can be confirmed here, about halfway down the page:

http://www.splc.org/news/report_detail.asp?id=528&edition=3

We were featured on one of John Stossel's 'Give Me a Brake!" programs on the subject of civil liberties and he made the teachers look like the stupid child-hating bitches they truly were. I have the episode on DVD and should upload it somewhere so people can see it. The whole show is good as Stossel pointed out a lot of people whose right to free speech had been violated.

The whole experience changed us all, of course. But for the record, I was too busy defending my son and staying one step ahead of his persecutors to light any candles or do any rituals. The legal system here in Indiana is beyond draconian. The douche-bag prosecutor put my kid on probation without so much as a hearing. I got a letter from them telling me to bring him to the probation office to get fingerprinted and fill out the paperwork! Naturally, the only people they saw were me and my lawyer asking them WTF????

In this state they will fuck you up if you don't have a lawyer.
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#49433 - 02/23/11 12:48 AM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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I’m familiar with Carmel; it’s a suburb of Indianapolis. I grew up about ninety minutes northeast of Indy in the town of Marion. I don’t know if you’ve heard about it. Its claim to fame is a streak of high school basketball championships in the ‘80’s...well, that and an unfortunate lynching incident in the early 1900’s. I’m quite familiar with their Bible Belt mentality. If my parents had known about your son’s incident, they would’ve been standing right there with the other Christian wackos.

Listen, you seem like a pretty cool mom. I respect you standing up for your kid like that. I hope you’ll continue posting here for a while. I’m curious to see what else you have to say. Take care.
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#49465 - 02/23/11 03:42 PM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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Thank you William. Yes, I am familiar with Marion, IN. Ironic that the only person I knew from there was a Satanist! LOL!

Funny too, how my neighbors acted. At the time my other two sons were about 3 and 5 years old, and the neighbors across the street wouldn't allow son to play with ours after that. I guess they were afraid their kid might be contaminated with Satanic smooge or something. \:D

Anyway, things worked out for my son, but only because they couldn't get their Bible thumping hands on him. I used their fears against them and went to the prosecutor's office with two attorneys. One used to work for the ACLU and the other, his partner, was a large African American gentleman who scared the piss out of those racist pigs when he walked into the room. It was he who convinced them to drop the bogus criminal charges.

Throughout, they tried to get me to tell them where my son was but I wouldn't even tell Stossel, let alone any of those wackos. In the end, the judge kicked the whole matter over to a mediator and we settled. The teachers got a whopping $5000.00 to split between the 3 of them to 'offset' the $90,000.00 they spent on legal fees!

My lawyers were so pissed off about a kid being sued for asserting his First Amendment rights, they volunteered to defend us for free, so it literally cost us no money as someone else stepped in and paid the $5000.00 for us. I am not allowed to say who, but suffice it to say there are a lot of people out there who believe in free speech and they wanted to help us out.

While the whole experience was hell, some good things came out of it. My son got several good job offers and one good project led to another until eventually he started his own company, then another... He is 29 years old now and making more money in a month than those dumbass teachers make in a year!

I thought about sending them a thank you note for jump starting my kid's career and helping him achieve the success most people only dream about.....!

Yes, it's true - Living well IS the best revenge.
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#49597 - 02/24/11 10:00 PM Re: Curse [Re: LucyFur]
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You know, it’s funny. I had an experience similar to yours. In my case, there was a boss that I absolutely hated. I was toying with the idea of Satanism, and in a heated moment I said to myself over and over, “I curse you.” I could hardly think straight, I was so overcome with the desire to curse this woman. Some time passed, and I left that job and found another line of work. I spoke to a former coworker from that place and was told that the boss had lost her job and her baby (she had been pregnant).

Did my curse work? I hope not. As angry as I was at my boss, I didn’t want her to lose her baby. That baby was an innocent. Furthermore, I now see the boss more as challenging me than anything else. She had the guts to call me on my stupid bullshit, but instead of rising to the challenge I shifted the blame onto her.

The bottom line: I’m not a big fan of curses, real or perceived, because they are other-focused. Retribution certainly has its place, but does it really help me if someone else is suffering? More often than not, I’d say no. Enemies are a dime a dozen. Numero Uno is what really matters.
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#49704 - 02/25/11 02:49 PM Re: Curse [Re: Hegesias]
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In contrast, and as funny as it sounds, my curses are altruistic. The violent intent stems from hatred, hatred which although is primordial in origin, is catalysed and given direction by ignoble scum and their vulgar displays of power which I may observe as quite fitting for revenge.
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#49836 - 02/26/11 07:47 AM Re: Curse [Re: Hegesias]
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Hegesius, I'm intrigued by the idea that your curses are altruistic. Your second sentence didn't seem to support that idea, at least not in a way that I understood. Please expound a bit. How do your curses benefit others?
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#49840 - 02/26/11 08:12 AM Re: Curse [Re: William Wright]
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Well, some people are just oxygen thieves aren't they.

Naa, I mean't that sometimes somebody will be a possible threat to a close one so you curse them obsessively.

This does two things:

1. they find out and confront you at YOUR house and threaten violence. (the law is clear about this)

2. They die of a 'accident' on the way because this is how you have seen the curse through. (I don't know if he was on his way here but he would have got a plastic bag over his head and a hammer in his skull anyway).

Why is this altruistic? Think about what can catalyse your own hatred, do you have empathy for females, does it stir your gut when they are in danger or upset?

Quite a few times I've knocked the fuck out of abusive men throwing their weight around women, I just grew up in those environments and have 'a thing' about bashing the spirit out of a man, it's a calculated art now where I make some good dialogue afterwards (my own father was quite funny I blinded one of his eyes and was making him laugh because he was terrified and thinking it would save him or something). But these days I like to culminate this capacity for violence against males and seethe with this flow once I spot any 'behaviour'.

So, by altruistic I mean when your mind goes black and you just keep hitting a man without any thought of what will happen to you personally. This happens when you see a female being hurt. You don't care about yourself. I prefer curses these days because I rather dislike being on trial. I lost over a year and I'll be fucked if I get banged up for snuffing an insect.
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#49958 - 02/26/11 10:25 PM Re: Curse [Re: Hegesias]
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Hegesias, we clearly come from different worlds. Whether by nature or nurture (probably both), you possess a violent streak that I can’t completely relate to. Don’t get me wrong: If my wife or daughter were attacked, I’m confident that I’d put my life on the line to save them. However, I don’t get off on raining hellfire down on others, even when they deserve it. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong or that I’m better than you. I’m just saying we’re different.

I understand now what you mean by curses being altruistic. It’s akin to the idea that sometimes war is necessary to preserve the greater good. In your example the greater good is innocent females. Like you, I detest bullies. It bothers me when I see comedies that present bullying in a light manner. But the fact is it’s not my job to save the world. As much as I’d like life to be fair, it just isn’t. So I go about my business, helping loved ones to a reasonable extent but mainly focusing on improving my life.

If curses get you through the day, then by all means curse. Whatever works.
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