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#630 - 09/25/07 09:58 AM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
ta2zz Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
it leaves the tattooed area scarred.

Let us not forget that every tattoo is a scar, a good tattoo artist knows how to keep such scarring to a minimum...

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I also have many tattoos made by an amateur nut then again he's a bit different as he is a professional body piercer and also my employer. He has very vast understanding on the subject but just took on tattooing about a year ago...

Piercing and tattooing are two very different animals... So while he has the knowledge of sterilization, I doubt he has the know how a teacher would have standing over him teaching him the business of tattooing...

Yes you heard it here the word of the day is Apprenticeship...

Nothing is quite as important as a solid foundation built up before you earn the right to hold a tattoo machine... Yes that should be earned... To do any less is similar to me buying a few scalpels and a chest spreader...

People forget that skin is the body's largest organ, and extremely important...

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He didn't want to go tattooing real customers and so as his employee and a friend I will naturally sacrifice myself \:\)

Sounds like a whole lot "a" love or something going on there... In the words of my mentor "friends do not do such things to friends"... Good luck very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S.

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#648 - 09/25/07 07:06 PM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Good luck very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S.


I would have to agree whole heartedly with you here. Here is Adelaide most of the tattoo shops are run by bike clubs. Now this is a double edged sword, on one hand it's very hard for independant artisits to get a shop up and running, which is a pity as it means less competition for art (and not money's sake), but the other side is that it makes it very dangerous and stupid to be a backyarder.

You will soon be 'closed down' in a very unpleasant way if you are caught scratching.

I have seen one guy though, go from being a scratcher to a shop. I saw one of his home jobs and it was actualy quite good. Very, very unusual though and I certainly wouldn't recommend using them to ANYONE. Like anything though, there are always exceptions to the rules.

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#682 - 09/26/07 08:27 PM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Check out the tattoo mags. Look in the section for ads. Visit the shop. Ask a lot of questions. Better than looking at the portfolio, see if you know anyone that has a tattoo from a shop that is at least a year old. Portfolio shots are minutes old. Most look absolutely fabulous. But lets see how that same tattoo held up after 3 years.

I mainly get my tattoos at conventions. I research which artists will be there. I only talk with the artists or shops that I know and respect their work. In some cases I may have over paid. But to this day, tattoos that are 10 years old still get comments on what great work they are. The spider tattoo on my elbow is about 4 years old. I sat with the artist for about half an hour and discussed nothing more than the tattoo itself. How it should sit. Shading, coloring, outlines. We talked about the image I was trying to convey. Scary or comical, life like or cartoonish? After our discussion, he took out a box of colored sharpies and sketched the spider on my elbow. We studied it and looked at it in a mirror. He made minor changes. When I agreed that that was what I wanted, he quoted me a price and a guess at how long it would take. I agreed to his terms, and he said take yourself 10 minutes to get ready. When I returned, he sat me down with the sketch still on, and went to town. It hurt like hell and the position was very uncomfortable. I was a bad customer, taking frequent breaks. I have high blood pressure and some of the positions I was in and the restriction of blood flow caused numbness and balloon hand. So the tattoo took longer to do. But he still charged me the quoted price and I was thrilled with the end product. I tipped him even. Afterward, we sat outside and had a couple of smokes together and discussed his career, tattoos, my tattoo, aftercare, etc. He was a class act through and through. To this day, this tattoo looks a month old and gets a million comments.

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#690 - 09/27/07 08:48 AM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: ta2zz]
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Piercing and tattooing are two very different animals... So while he has the knowledge of sterilization, I doubt he has the know how a teacher would have standing over him teaching him the business of tattooing...


Ah, but I didn't mean just piercing, of course because of working in that field he's learned the basics of aseptics but I wouldn't naturally assume that's all there is to know or that after mastering one art you already know the other. As tattooing and piercing is very well connected to each other, in business at least, it's only natural that we connect and learn from each other. Or at least it is so here in Finland.

We do have a tattooist keeping shop in the same facilities with this piercing shop, and he has also been kind enough to give tips and correct, as well as a few other professional tattooists.

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Sounds like a whole lot "a" love or something going on there... In the words of my mentor "friends do not do such things to friends"... Good luck very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S.


I may not fully understand your point in saying "friends do not do such things to friends"... What, friends do not help each other? I think it's the least I can do, given that a friend of mine needs practise, and fortunately I have a whole lot of skin covering my body, and donating a few places on my thighs won't make a difference. The day I die it's all the same whether or not my body is marked with ink.

And in saying that "very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S." are you completely sure? If they don't, then their mentors have been quite crappy to begin with. Not every tattooist with a shop in States is a good tattooist, nor anywhere else...

I do somewhat understand your point, and respect your years in tattooing, but to me at least, you seem a bit patronizing when it comes down to this subject like you assumed you are the only one with the knowledge.

Maybe you could post a link to your possible online portfolio, so I could also see what comes out of your pen?


Edited by MaggotFaceMoe (09/27/07 08:50 AM)

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#693 - 09/27/07 09:56 AM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Fuck dude, it's not that hard to find. I find it about 1.3 seconds after joining this site.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for Ta2zz, but your sure seem like you must be lazy to ask for an easy find like that.

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#697 - 09/27/07 11:45 AM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
We do have a tattooist keeping shop in the same facilities with this piercing shop, and he has also been kind enough to give tips and correct, as well as a few other professional tattooists.

Those of us taught by the old timers know the difference between scratchers, tattooers, tattooists, and tattoo artists… At least he has somebody to look at and say why is this happening and hopefully fix your artwork if need be…

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What, friends do not help each other? I think it's the least I can do, given that a friend of mine needs practise, and fortunately I have a whole lot of skin covering my body, and donating a few places on my thighs won't make a difference. The day I die it's all the same whether or not my body is marked with ink.

You have made your point YOUR canvas is worth little to YOU now as it is worthless to you when you die… To each their own skin…



It is 2007 Practice skin is sold by the sheet…

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And in saying that "very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S." are you completely sure? If they don't, then their mentors have been quite crappy to begin with.

Self taught means no mentor…

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Not every tattooist with a shop in States is a good tattooist, nor anywhere else...

True but not every main stream artist is a shop owner either… I should also clarify my definition of mainstream simply being one who survives well in a place where he is not the only game in town…

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I do somewhat understand your point, and respect your years in tattooing, but to me at least, you seem a bit patronizing when it comes down to this subject like you assumed you are the only one with the knowledge.

Perhaps after serving a true apprenticeship sitting watching these new kids calling themselves tattoo artists having no knowledge of building a needle or mixing ink from powder, watching them run machines set up like a singer sewing machine… Perhaps I do act a bit condescending at times…

Perhaps I earned that right when I earned the right to hold tattoo machines and call myself a tattoo artist from old timers… The type that would stop any scratchers in the neighborhood through fear or force… Perhaps I am just a self centered dick…

Peace

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#713 - 09/28/07 04:01 AM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: ta2zz]
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You have made your point YOUR canvas is worth little to YOU now as it is worthless to you when you die… To each their own skin…


Not exactly what I meant either, well in death maybe. There is a big difference in what pictures I get on my back and what's on my thighs. It was obvious to me in the beginning that he is not yet a pro, but these pictures also hold a sentimental value for me.
And yes, I am also able to tell the difference between scratchers, tattooers, tattooists, and tattoo artists, which is the main reason why I get my tattoos (other than thighs obviously) done by just a few artists, well I would from many others but don't have the funds to travel to another country for that.

I almost laughed my ass off when I saw the practice skin... That's a good one. I hope that no one really uses that kind of shit when practicing their art. So much for the self taught...
I don't know what else you could learn with these except hold your machine straight.

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Perhaps after serving a true apprenticeship sitting watching these new kids calling themselves tattoo artists having no knowledge of building a needle or mixing ink from powder, watching them run machines set up like a singer sewing machine… Perhaps I do act a bit condescending at times…


Point taken.

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#715 - 09/28/07 11:14 AM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Well now, my eyes have utterly missed it then, and writing a piece of text with your keyboard while doing so anyway should not be considered be a great deal of effort when discussing of very related matters.
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#733 - 09/30/07 09:36 PM Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage] [Re: ta2zz]
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T, what are your thoughts on the show "LA Ink"?

Bogus? Too commercial? An example of true tattoo artistry? Just curious.
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