#522 - 09/20/07 11:23 PM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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ta2zz
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But now I'll get this itchy burn like in the tattoo. It doesn't last long, in fact it lasts about as long as the pins and needles you get when your foot goes numb.
Interesting… What colors are in the tattoo and how old is it… I had a bad tattoo done back in “86”… This is what made me a tattoo artist… It was swollen and burned as you describe if I ran my fingers over it… This lasted about a year or so… Do you have many other tattoos to compare it with?
Not a huge deal but deffinitly something to consider the next time around.
You only get one piece of skin decorate it wisely…
The hard thing for me is how do you research a tattoo artist? Look for people the artist had inked and ask their impressions?
First start by looking through their portfolio to see what style they are doing and if you can talk to the people who are there do so… If the artist has no pictures of his work run away… Just remember draw your own conclusions…
Lately I watch young girls get tattooed by a kid with just over a years experience because 1. He is cheaper 2. He is cute… So listen to your eyes and use your head when deciding to sit in an artist’s chair… Remember with all art if cost is an issue expect a lesser piece for lesser money…
I would think Hawaii is a bit limited on artists no? Less artists mean a smaller good to bad pool to draw from…
Hope this helps…
~T~
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#595 - 09/23/07 03:36 PM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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undeadridinghood
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So, I'm seventeen and want to get a tattoo pretty close to my eighteenth birthday. I know what I want and where, but my question is, how do I do research on artists and get price quotes and such when I'm under age? All of the artists where I live don't let you in their studio without I.D. I have a friend who is old enough to get in, but what questions should I have him ask? What do you recommend?
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#600 - 09/23/07 10:35 PM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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undeadridinghood
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Do not be part of the Mc'Donalds generation a tattoo should not be rushed into... Expect to have to make an appointment if you are dealing with a more serious tattoo artist...
I know. I've been thinking about it for a year or two now. I've only recently decided what I want first, but it's about a month until my birthday so I still have some time to think and plan. I was debating between one of my own drawings (or a variation of it) and a baphomet, and I decided on my own, just because I'd rather have my own designs on me, plus I'd rather not sport a permanent baphomet until I move out of my parent's house.
In your experience working on women, what is the best place for a tattoo to avoid stretching and warping with weight loss and gain? Just curious.
Also, are there any ramifications to amateur tattoos, other than the possibility of blood borne illness and looking really bad? My boyfriend has three. Is there any problem with getting a tattoo like that professionally redone?
Edited by undeadridinghood (09/23/07 10:38 PM)
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#606 - 09/24/07 07:02 AM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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ZephyrGirl
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In your experience working on women, what is the best place for a tattoo to avoid stretching and warping with weight loss and gain? Just curious.
I have alot of tattoos on various parts of my body, some of which have been there for over 15 years. I also, was very concerned about the stretching and weight gain and looks of the tattoo's later on in life.
Shoulders, upper back and ankles are all good places that don't really sag or stretch (depends on your ankles for that one) as are upper outer arms and back of neck.
Ta2zz probably has more ideas, but I couldn't help myself and answer this one again.
I personally would never have gotten them on my stomach or lower back because of the potential for weight gain (or having babies) that makes these areas look fabulous at 20 and not so fabulous at 50. Maybe some people are stil trim taut and terrific at 50, but most women have put on a little weight around the middle by then.
It also pays to think about getting it somewhere that you can either display or not with ease at your discretion.
Zeph
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#608 - 09/24/07 07:25 AM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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ta2zz
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You have your whole life to get tattooed… Bring your design into the artist you choose, he should be able to take your design and changing a few things should be able to make your design a good tattoo… With a very few exceptions the artwork people bring in is not usually fit for a tattoo… Expect the artist to change it… If he just traces it well unless you are some gift to the art world it may be time to find a different artist…
In your experience working on women, what is the best place for a tattoo to avoid stretching and warping with weight loss and gain? Just curious.
Skin moves and ages with you… Everyone is different but the shoulder blade, front hip, and just above the ankle area are usually safe… Be sure to work with your artist, remember these questions you ask…
Also, are there any ramifications to amateur tattoos, other than the possibility of blood borne illness and looking really bad?
Two of the worst reasons I could think of you have mentioned, another would be the scratcher doing a form of dermabrasion rather than tattooing leaving behind a hole or scar tissue and any possible skin infections that could arise…
Is hepatitis not bad enough?
Three scratches? That sucks…
Is there any problem with getting a tattoo like that professionally redone?
No but be prepared to spend money… In the long run paying a reputable shop a bit more up front saves you money when that cheap or discounted tattoo needs a fix up or cover up…
Too those who say oh my friend did it remember if a friend scared you for life perhaps he is not really your friend at all…
~T~
Edited by ta2zz (09/24/07 07:27 AM)
Edit Reason: I need to write faster it seems...
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#630 - 09/25/07 09:58 AM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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ta2zz
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it leaves the tattooed area scarred.
Let us not forget that every tattoo is a scar, a good tattoo artist knows how to keep such scarring to a minimum...
I also have many tattoos made by an amateur nut then again he's a bit different as he is a professional body piercer and also my employer. He has very vast understanding on the subject but just took on tattooing about a year ago...
Piercing and tattooing are two very different animals... So while he has the knowledge of sterilization, I doubt he has the know how a teacher would have standing over him teaching him the business of tattooing...
Yes you heard it here the word of the day is Apprenticeship...
Nothing is quite as important as a solid foundation built up before you earn the right to hold a tattoo machine... Yes that should be earned... To do any less is similar to me buying a few scalpels and a chest spreader...
People forget that skin is the body's largest organ, and extremely important...
He didn't want to go tattooing real customers and so as his employee and a friend I will naturally sacrifice myself 
Sounds like a whole lot "a" love or something going on there... In the words of my mentor "friends do not do such things to friends"... Good luck very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S.
~T~
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#648 - 09/25/07 07:06 PM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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ZephyrGirl
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Good luck very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S.
I would have to agree whole heartedly with you here. Here is Adelaide most of the tattoo shops are run by bike clubs. Now this is a double edged sword, on one hand it's very hard for independant artisits to get a shop up and running, which is a pity as it means less competition for art (and not money's sake), but the other side is that it makes it very dangerous and stupid to be a backyarder.
You will soon be 'closed down' in a very unpleasant way if you are caught scratching.
I have seen one guy though, go from being a scratcher to a shop. I saw one of his home jobs and it was actualy quite good. Very, very unusual though and I certainly wouldn't recommend using them to ANYONE. Like anything though, there are always exceptions to the rules.
Zeph
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#682 - 09/26/07 08:27 PM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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fakepropht
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Check out the tattoo mags. Look in the section for ads. Visit the shop. Ask a lot of questions. Better than looking at the portfolio, see if you know anyone that has a tattoo from a shop that is at least a year old. Portfolio shots are minutes old. Most look absolutely fabulous. But lets see how that same tattoo held up after 3 years.
I mainly get my tattoos at conventions. I research which artists will be there. I only talk with the artists or shops that I know and respect their work. In some cases I may have over paid. But to this day, tattoos that are 10 years old still get comments on what great work they are. The spider tattoo on my elbow is about 4 years old. I sat with the artist for about half an hour and discussed nothing more than the tattoo itself. How it should sit. Shading, coloring, outlines. We talked about the image I was trying to convey. Scary or comical, life like or cartoonish? After our discussion, he took out a box of colored sharpies and sketched the spider on my elbow. We studied it and looked at it in a mirror. He made minor changes. When I agreed that that was what I wanted, he quoted me a price and a guess at how long it would take. I agreed to his terms, and he said take yourself 10 minutes to get ready. When I returned, he sat me down with the sketch still on, and went to town. It hurt like hell and the position was very uncomfortable. I was a bad customer, taking frequent breaks. I have high blood pressure and some of the positions I was in and the restriction of blood flow caused numbness and balloon hand. So the tattoo took longer to do. But he still charged me the quoted price and I was thrilled with the end product. I tipped him even. Afterward, we sat outside and had a couple of smokes together and discussed his career, tattoos, my tattoo, aftercare, etc. He was a class act through and through. To this day, this tattoo looks a month old and gets a million comments.
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#690 - 09/27/07 08:48 AM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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MaggotFaceMoe
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Piercing and tattooing are two very different animals... So while he has the knowledge of sterilization, I doubt he has the know how a teacher would have standing over him teaching him the business of tattooing...
Ah, but I didn't mean just piercing, of course because of working in that field he's learned the basics of aseptics but I wouldn't naturally assume that's all there is to know or that after mastering one art you already know the other. As tattooing and piercing is very well connected to each other, in business at least, it's only natural that we connect and learn from each other. Or at least it is so here in Finland.
We do have a tattooist keeping shop in the same facilities with this piercing shop, and he has also been kind enough to give tips and correct, as well as a few other professional tattooists.
Sounds like a whole lot "a" love or something going on there... In the words of my mentor "friends do not do such things to friends"... Good luck very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S.
I may not fully understand your point in saying "friends do not do such things to friends"... What, friends do not help each other? I think it's the least I can do, given that a friend of mine needs practise, and fortunately I have a whole lot of skin covering my body, and donating a few places on my thighs won't make a difference. The day I die it's all the same whether or not my body is marked with ink.
And in saying that "very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S." are you completely sure? If they don't, then their mentors have been quite crappy to begin with. Not every tattooist with a shop in States is a good tattooist, nor anywhere else...
I do somewhat understand your point, and respect your years in tattooing, but to me at least, you seem a bit patronizing when it comes down to this subject like you assumed you are the only one with the knowledge.
Maybe you could post a link to your possible online portfolio, so I could also see what comes out of your pen?
Edited by MaggotFaceMoe (09/27/07 08:50 AM)
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#697 - 09/27/07 11:45 AM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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ta2zz
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We do have a tattooist keeping shop in the same facilities with this piercing shop, and he has also been kind enough to give tips and correct, as well as a few other professional tattooists.
Those of us taught by the old timers know the difference between scratchers, tattooers, tattooists, and tattoo artists… At least he has somebody to look at and say why is this happening and hopefully fix your artwork if need be…
What, friends do not help each other? I think it's the least I can do, given that a friend of mine needs practise, and fortunately I have a whole lot of skin covering my body, and donating a few places on my thighs won't make a difference. The day I die it's all the same whether or not my body is marked with ink.
You have made your point YOUR canvas is worth little to YOU now as it is worthless to you when you die… To each their own skin…
It is 2007 Practice skin is sold by the sheet…
And in saying that "very few home taught artists go mainstream at least here in the U.S." are you completely sure? If they don't, then their mentors have been quite crappy to begin with.
Self taught means no mentor…
Not every tattooist with a shop in States is a good tattooist, nor anywhere else...
True but not every main stream artist is a shop owner either… I should also clarify my definition of mainstream simply being one who survives well in a place where he is not the only game in town…
I do somewhat understand your point, and respect your years in tattooing, but to me at least, you seem a bit patronizing when it comes down to this subject like you assumed you are the only one with the knowledge.
Perhaps after serving a true apprenticeship sitting watching these new kids calling themselves tattoo artists having no knowledge of building a needle or mixing ink from powder, watching them run machines set up like a singer sewing machine… Perhaps I do act a bit condescending at times…
Perhaps I earned that right when I earned the right to hold tattoo machines and call myself a tattoo artist from old timers… The type that would stop any scratchers in the neighborhood through fear or force… Perhaps I am just a self centered dick…
Peace
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#713 - 09/28/07 04:01 AM
Re: Real Ink... [nerve damage]
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MaggotFaceMoe
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You have made your point YOUR canvas is worth little to YOU now as it is worthless to you when you die… To each their own skin…
Not exactly what I meant either, well in death maybe. There is a big difference in what pictures I get on my back and what's on my thighs. It was obvious to me in the beginning that he is not yet a pro, but these pictures also hold a sentimental value for me.
And yes, I am also able to tell the difference between scratchers, tattooers, tattooists, and tattoo artists, which is the main reason why I get my tattoos (other than thighs obviously) done by just a few artists, well I would from many others but don't have the funds to travel to another country for that.
I almost laughed my ass off when I saw the practice skin... That's a good one. I hope that no one really uses that kind of shit when practicing their art. So much for the self taught...
I don't know what else you could learn with these except hold your machine straight.
Perhaps after serving a true apprenticeship sitting watching these new kids calling themselves tattoo artists having no knowledge of building a needle or mixing ink from powder, watching them run machines set up like a singer sewing machine… Perhaps I do act a bit condescending at times…
Point taken.
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