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#50000 - 02/27/11 10:52 AM Islam : is it a threat to Satanism?
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A new survey in Britain found half of the British considered Islam to be a threat to their nation. This sort of result is likely to be repeated if surveys were made across all nations of the West.

Would you think as a Satanist that Islam would be more of a problem to you than Christianity has been?
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#50002 - 02/27/11 11:11 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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No. Where I live, there are practically 0 islamics. As such, it is a non issue.

From another angle, christianity hasn't been a problem either. Christianity, like islam, is just a form of slave initiation. A way of conditioning those that desire to submit and serve to do what they are inclined to do anyway. If not for christianity or islam, something else would fill the void and feed their need.

The slaves will always outnumber the masters(even if only masters of SELF).
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#50003 - 02/27/11 11:25 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Zero problems; if needed I'll just become Muslim and carry on as is. To any person, society might be the only problem, no matter who or what is in it.

Being a satanist doesn't require anyone to run with a billboard identifying he is.

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#50013 - 02/27/11 01:49 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Islam is a threat to anyone who isn't Muslim, regardless of what religious identity (or lack thereof) that you claim. The immediateness of this threat is ultimately dependent on your location of residence.
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#50014 - 02/27/11 01:59 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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If someone comes for me, it's a problem... usually for them. If they stay the hell out of my business, no problem.

Worship Allah all you like. It's free, just like all of the other religious beliefs that will tell you how to think and dictate what you should feel. But when you step foot into MY sphere... mind your tongue, or I might just take it from you.

I've lived around Muslims in the Middle East and never had a problem as a Satanist. I've thrived in a world of Christians. I've found that people are a lot like rattlesnakes. Don't get too close and they won't strike, but if they try to move into YOUR area, damned sure you set the limits.
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#50015 - 02/27/11 02:03 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Diavolo]
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Indeed. Monotheists can be numinous individuals. Whover wants to be like those meek individuals who portray their fear reaction to 'all Satanists'. By this I mean blind hate groups that stem from fear, these groups will be identified by their putting of 'all Satanist' into one basket of depraved and perverted evildoers that randomly carve up their babies and rape old ladies. This is not an exaggeration at all, one only need look on the internet and on places like shitbook to find these packs of scared sheep huddling together and making fallacious assertions to a strawman underground network of perverts called 'Satanism'. Because Satanism is about the individual it is impossible to consign to an established ethos or code of moral conduct in their minds and the result is misconception spread over all they tag Satanist. Why? because each Satanist is different expressing his/ her nature which may be quite kind or maybe extremely violent to unjust attacks made upon him/ her. Who, knows, it's like saying, everyone who reads Mein Kampf is a instantly part of the Nazarene portrayal the National Socialist, neo-nazi. It's just not so.

Such timid and twitchy individuals with a super ego god complex are not numinous Muslims. Likewise, the depraved, cowardly, and dishonourable are not Satanist material nor are inane sociopaths whom like to add colour to their persona with a patchwork portrayal of Satanic aesthetic. Let all individuals be met face to face with courteous dialogue and honourable conduct. Let the weak be defined by their very deeds indicative to cowardice, dishonourableness and meek fear.

I used to know a few Muslim blokes at the gym, respectful and well mannered gents. Didn't even talk about religion they were there for the same reasons I was, to better ourselves around healthy positive people.

The Nazarene controlled media of west is the problem. All you will see is beheading videos and slates against Muslims who have committed crimes in the name of Jihadi. These individual groups are not 'all', Muslims, look out into your streets, they are often quite private and well mannered people, sometimes not, who cares, everyone has a right to fight for what he / she believes in. WE as Satanist ought to fight for the individual.

Making a display of random hatred to nobody in particular will only reveal you as a timid coward who lacks the courage to communicate with other cultures directly to gain understanding.

I have an epistemic distrust for the openly visible, a lucid intelligence related to but not limited to misanthropy. This comes with an ability for excellent social skills, I uphold a code of honour, only they who define themselves in person as inferior characters by their depraved or dishonourable deeds performed will be met with intolerance.
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#50026 - 02/27/11 03:48 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Well that survey was made on the opinion of the very same mundanes that vote for X factor. I don't think the public majority represent the intellectual or otherwise cultured Englishman.

Survey my arse because you will get more truth from my shit.

I was asked to write in the name of National Socialism, I declined because Nick Griffin is most often received as racist and effeminate due to his lack of assertion. There is no great Noble Anglo Saxon dictator in England. Is there? where is he? Where are his honourable socialists? I for one see no honour in talking behind Islamic peoples backs. Instead of doing such a thing we ought to fucking go out and be courteous and considerate of other cultures whilst upholding our own identity and right for England to be for all races and show others who we are in real life with honour.

This means that strong and assertive cultures are actually preserved and fulfilled by their opposites by those who adhere to there culture with devotion, culture is not something to lay back and be content with like a comfort blanket for some backwards child mentality, there is also contrast to be made in this way of opposing paradigms meeting one another and resolving, a white image without a black background is invisible and vice versa. If nobody communicates we have a grey nonsensical area where everyone is at each others throats because it's hard to understand something that is not definite and sure of itself. What does this mean? Strife and conflict are necessary, honour, progress or die.

The English public are composed of mundanes similar to the American mundanes, for the majority, they are hubris. Why? The grubby mundane greed for comfort of these hubris is simply a product of the Nazarene culture about which they potter in wretched contentment. Blaming Muslims? what Muslims? who? do you know them?

Direct dialogue, honour. If the group that is imposing on you is ignoble and makes threats for no good reason, then feel free to be adverse one thousand fold, let them dig their own graves.

We are sinister.

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#50037 - 02/27/11 06:48 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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I have to agree with others here that it all depends on location of residence. Where I currenlty reside, there are not very many muslims that I know of. The majority of folks here are broadly Christian.

I have only met one muslim in my life and we have been good friends since high school. He is a goof-ball and likes to joke around and have a good time.

As for Islam being a threat to Satanism, I don't quite see how Satanism could be threatened. Satanists adapt to things. If things got out of hand and people were forced to convert to Islam, self preservation being the highest law most Satanists would probably resemble muslims to survive or simply move away to another neck of the woods.

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#50438 - 03/04/11 06:59 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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I think Islam is a threat to itself. As it moves into countries with a more liberated culture it's going to be challenged by the citizens of that culture. It's happening right now. Women are severely oppressed in Islam and as women are becoming more liberated and empowered in western society the nation of Islam will be exposed to severe backlash as it spreads into western countries.

Also, as the children of Islam are exposed to western culture and the freedom it offers some of them will turn away from their religion as they mature.

Satanism, ironically like Mankind is progressive. Islam is an archaic, superstitious, oppressive religion. It may never truly die out but over time it will definitely recede.
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#50449 - 03/05/11 03:39 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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Aww come on , what's so bad about Islam there are lots of numinous Muslims. Yea, they might not have expressionism, art, music, literature, they have the Holy book and lots of them are respectful.

However, we know that abusers among them find intrinsic value in all manner of faculties relating to the cultivation of the religious super-ego/god complex like demented Christians do.

Before I begin I must say that I let others define themselves as honourable or ignoble by their very deeds in real life, no matter what race or religion or creed, and this is not a judgement on ALL monotheist, just a humorous monologue about the holy malfeasance of the mentally ill ones.


Now here is the lowdown on how religion often cultivates evil, evil being a term that religion devised. Religion is all some psychos need because come on, let's face it, bestial beheadings of the profane infidels or chopping a petty thief's hands off is gonna be a godly/divine sadistic stimulation due to the massive deprivation of natural stimuli for years, more like a sensory orgasm with a long culmination of holding back the desire for a long time in the back of the mind, the violence is unconsciously cultivated and expressed in the name of god, much more of a grandiose ego gratification compared to being a mundane psychopath, surely?

I reckon this is a fundamental evil element people can't grasp about Christianity either, all that repression culminates the desire to unleash holy violence, sexual sadism or just an old fashioned stone faced rape in the name of god, whether it is justified toward infidels, non-believers or their own family members who have luckily broken the holy rules, it's all good if you are an evil monotheist, it's just a clever way to avoid the guilt that can burden the experience and enjoy all manner of depravity, secretly, even from their own consciousness.

I personally recognise the sinister ways of the Inquisitors from medieval Catholicism as having immensely more sinister depth than modern Satanism, the Heretics of those dark days where the guys bringing about change, the Inquisition were the dark and sinister sadists finding intrinsic value in devising divine torture methods that provided a slow agonising death to those who could conceptualise what was happening to them vividly, witches, Satanists, Heretics. Much like how there is no fun in squashing bugs because they can't conceptualise the presence of death, but say, torturing a Satanist would be much more engaging because they are strong willed and there is more stimulation and intimacy when the evil is being received with appreciation.

Islam is an abused religion by a portion of it's followers, not all, likewise Satanism can be abused for comfort purposes, Catholicism can be an abused religion, monotheism is an abused religion etc. on a mass scale humans have broken away from nature, and when one does not embrace the dark aspects of human psyche in correspondence with the light/or ego aspects we have very odd behaviours emerging.

These unnaturals cleverly avoid the naturalistic desires, and experience darkness as collateral consequence instead, it comes out half assed like a retard in a rage or dispassionate and justified, basically they use their doctrines to make the violence a justified ritual to make it more grandiose. Very lame and self deceiving, good for passive people to get a little darkness built up inside though for release when enough tension is stored up. A mind constantly pushing back desires and emotions is the perfect stage for evil to culminate in the dark of the unconsciousness, ready to emerge as the actuality of bloodshed.

May the conceited unnaturals who dare impose upon thee have the false spirit bashed from their clay husks till remains only the stillness of insentient clay to be loaded into trash carts to be piled up high as corpse monuments to the magnificence of the Devil.

I have spoken.
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#50455 - 03/05/11 07:52 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Islam is no threat to anyone, but abusive and dangerous people are, these people will use anything from religion to a uniform to justify their abusive behaviour. A religion is not an evil thing but people who abuse judge others without cause are within all cultures and societies, we just have to come face to face with different cultures and make dialogue to communicate. If the person or group is incommunicable then they are deemed an enemy simply on the grounds that they cannot be trusted. Blind followers that cannot think for themselves? not all religious people are dangerous or unstable because many have a nature that is not submissive and may have been forced into the beliefs against their will. Some simply have a greater understanding of the scriptures and apply them to modern living, others don't due to fear or plain depraved nature.

There is no way to judge whether somebody has a sound nature by what religion or creed they are from, only a face to face with the person is credible. I just see worship of all powerful deities as against nature and thus oneself but that's just my opinion. I only recognise nature and the chaos and harmony, the harshness and the empathy.

Norse lore goes well with my version of Satanism for example, because the Vikings were never about submission to anyone or anything but to recognise the aspects that make a strong community, strength, bravery, fortitude, wisdom, compassion etc. The aspects of nature and mankind are personified in the Old Norse lore with metaphor, tales, stories, lore etc. these brighten the inspirations and imagination of man in the light of nature and help him to recognise noble qualities as well as conceptualising the dark aspects of nature so we may both recognise and understand ourselves and nature etc. I think anyway.

I can't really speak for those who submit to anything because for me respect and lowering of guard to another is earned through deeds displayed, dialogue and character exchange, something that I think all people ought to conduct no matter what race, religion or creed, there always has to be dialogue and a deliberate attempt to understand the other side.

Opposing paradigm, memeplex, tradions, customs, all these things can be fulfilled and preserved through exchange of dialogue and respect. There is no danger of traditions and identities being erased because by preserving and being proud of, passionate about our traditions and beliefs we may present them to other cultures without imposing but to simply maintain a level of respect. Preservation and fulfilment of opposites is the result of testing them, this goes for religions too, displaying submission and fear is not going to get you respect but mistrust.

Always make dialogue, if the religious people remain stone faced and try to impose their beliefs on you, stand your ground, there's not much else to it, fight for your beliefs and what makes you who you are no matter what religion, race, or creed, we all have the right to uphold our personal honour.

The dishonourable will be defined by their very deeds. Who invades another's territory ought to show respect for their own safety. Just like animals do, sometimes this is a mistake but we are humans and of the same species, we may make dialogue even if the other side is foreign, we aren't stupid. Just some of us are due to fear.
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#50457 - 03/05/11 10:21 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
A religion is not an evil thing but people who abuse judge others without cause are within all cultures and societies . . .


Let me ask you a simple question:

Does religion not invariably tend toward this (latter) valence by its very nature?

Consider the facticity of it before you reply.

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#50481 - 03/05/11 03:40 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Jason King]
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What I think personally? I reckon a sober assessment of the real dangers surrounding any systematic repression of human nature such as monotheism.

I am just providing a stage for others to question and think for themselves. Without seeming like some kind of provocateur I can say that I am repulsed by submissive behaviour. Everyone has the means to be self-sufficient, independent.

On a deep conscious or subconscious level, naturalistic peoples genuine expressions and genuine laughter reminds the monotheist he is unwell in the mind and losing out in life. The response is envy—a stone faced justification of holy violence to gratify the super ego in attempt to repair the narcissistic injury. The monotheist must have acknowledgement from all sides to solidify his fantasy, this cultivates and maintains his supply for ego..

Anxiety, fear, tension, frustration, and finally desensitisation and dispassion, the victims of religion often have the very same twitchy, sunken eyes of badly beaten disturbed animals, such as the sorry sights one may encounter at a dog shelter. Instead of pitying them I just see something that ought to be put down to stop it from harming children.

I reckon there's no such thing as evil until it's been defined in religious doctrine. Aggression exists, the predator is in man, the killer is in man, we have these traits to use for survival to hunt and protect territory, it is only man who detaches from nature due to a conceited ego.

Some may argue that religion brings comfort to people, this is true—contentment leads to laziness of mind, laziness of mind leads to boredom and being bored with ones religion is something which creates guilt, guilt leads to blame and blame leads to violence. This might not be a perfect description, but religion or any obsessional pattern based on seeking perfection, repressing emotions and thoughts whilst gratifying the ego, will create a stage for mental illnesses to develop in the mind.

I'm no danger to anyone or anything until one defines themselves suitable by dishonourable deeds done. Respect and personal honour is key I reckon. Who gives a fuck about other peoples lifestyle if they are maintaining a mutual respect.
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#50484 - 03/05/11 04:33 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
Would you think as a Satanist that Islam would be more of a problem to you than Christianity has been?


Not really. Yes, Muslims occasionally make violent attacks, but I'm willing to bet I have greater odds of being killed by an extremist Christian for standing too close to a Planned Parenthood or making out with a girl.

My everyday life is impacted in minor, irritating ways by Christians. They legislate their beliefs through endless little blue laws, slowly chipping away at my lifestyle. They're not scary in the way a hijacker is, but ultimately they affect my life more.

I can't say whether the results of that survey reflect an availability heuristic, a different climate in the UK, or the fact that Christians are likely the ones answered. I don't feel that way. Heck, if Islam does impact my life, it's because it gets Christians worked up about their little culture war.
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#50494 - 03/05/11 06:31 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17


My everyday life is impacted in minor, irritating ways by Christians. They legislate their beliefs through endless little blue laws, slowly chipping away at my lifestyle. They're not scary in the way a hijacker is, but ultimately they affect my life more.



I totally relate to this statement. Here in Indiana, the Muslim population is low, maybe part of the reason is because of the high numbers of red-neck Christians who would make life extremely uncomfortable for them. I live in a wealthy suburb which has a higher number of Muslims then the rest of the state. They are upper-class and keep to themselves for the most part, as do the Jewish refugees from Iran. We have no problems with them.
Christians, on the other hand, insist on inflicting their narrow-minded values and legislating their idea of morality. It is a constant irritant to the rest of us. In retaliation, many of us openly display occult symbolism, support local Atheist and pagan groups, and vote Democrat, because the Republicans are the Bible thumping douche-bags doing all the legislating. You know you live in a red-neck Christian community when that bloodthirsty airhead Sarah-I can see Russia from my backyard-Palin comes to your town!
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