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#50000 - 02/27/11 10:52 AM Islam : is it a threat to Satanism?
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A new survey in Britain found half of the British considered Islam to be a threat to their nation. This sort of result is likely to be repeated if surveys were made across all nations of the West.

Would you think as a Satanist that Islam would be more of a problem to you than Christianity has been?
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#50002 - 02/27/11 11:11 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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No. Where I live, there are practically 0 islamics. As such, it is a non issue.

From another angle, christianity hasn't been a problem either. Christianity, like islam, is just a form of slave initiation. A way of conditioning those that desire to submit and serve to do what they are inclined to do anyway. If not for christianity or islam, something else would fill the void and feed their need.

The slaves will always outnumber the masters(even if only masters of SELF).
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#50003 - 02/27/11 11:25 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Zero problems; if needed I'll just become Muslim and carry on as is. To any person, society might be the only problem, no matter who or what is in it.

Being a satanist doesn't require anyone to run with a billboard identifying he is.

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#50013 - 02/27/11 01:49 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Islam is a threat to anyone who isn't Muslim, regardless of what religious identity (or lack thereof) that you claim. The immediateness of this threat is ultimately dependent on your location of residence.
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#50014 - 02/27/11 01:59 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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If someone comes for me, it's a problem... usually for them. If they stay the hell out of my business, no problem.

Worship Allah all you like. It's free, just like all of the other religious beliefs that will tell you how to think and dictate what you should feel. But when you step foot into MY sphere... mind your tongue, or I might just take it from you.

I've lived around Muslims in the Middle East and never had a problem as a Satanist. I've thrived in a world of Christians. I've found that people are a lot like rattlesnakes. Don't get too close and they won't strike, but if they try to move into YOUR area, damned sure you set the limits.
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#50015 - 02/27/11 02:03 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Diavolo]
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Indeed. Monotheists can be numinous individuals. Whover wants to be like those meek individuals who portray their fear reaction to 'all Satanists'. By this I mean blind hate groups that stem from fear, these groups will be identified by their putting of 'all Satanist' into one basket of depraved and perverted evildoers that randomly carve up their babies and rape old ladies. This is not an exaggeration at all, one only need look on the internet and on places like shitbook to find these packs of scared sheep huddling together and making fallacious assertions to a strawman underground network of perverts called 'Satanism'. Because Satanism is about the individual it is impossible to consign to an established ethos or code of moral conduct in their minds and the result is misconception spread over all they tag Satanist. Why? because each Satanist is different expressing his/ her nature which may be quite kind or maybe extremely violent to unjust attacks made upon him/ her. Who, knows, it's like saying, everyone who reads Mein Kampf is a instantly part of the Nazarene portrayal the National Socialist, neo-nazi. It's just not so.

Such timid and twitchy individuals with a super ego god complex are not numinous Muslims. Likewise, the depraved, cowardly, and dishonourable are not Satanist material nor are inane sociopaths whom like to add colour to their persona with a patchwork portrayal of Satanic aesthetic. Let all individuals be met face to face with courteous dialogue and honourable conduct. Let the weak be defined by their very deeds indicative to cowardice, dishonourableness and meek fear.

I used to know a few Muslim blokes at the gym, respectful and well mannered gents. Didn't even talk about religion they were there for the same reasons I was, to better ourselves around healthy positive people.

The Nazarene controlled media of west is the problem. All you will see is beheading videos and slates against Muslims who have committed crimes in the name of Jihadi. These individual groups are not 'all', Muslims, look out into your streets, they are often quite private and well mannered people, sometimes not, who cares, everyone has a right to fight for what he / she believes in. WE as Satanist ought to fight for the individual.

Making a display of random hatred to nobody in particular will only reveal you as a timid coward who lacks the courage to communicate with other cultures directly to gain understanding.

I have an epistemic distrust for the openly visible, a lucid intelligence related to but not limited to misanthropy. This comes with an ability for excellent social skills, I uphold a code of honour, only they who define themselves in person as inferior characters by their depraved or dishonourable deeds performed will be met with intolerance.
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#50026 - 02/27/11 03:48 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Well that survey was made on the opinion of the very same mundanes that vote for X factor. I don't think the public majority represent the intellectual or otherwise cultured Englishman.

Survey my arse because you will get more truth from my shit.

I was asked to write in the name of National Socialism, I declined because Nick Griffin is most often received as racist and effeminate due to his lack of assertion. There is no great Noble Anglo Saxon dictator in England. Is there? where is he? Where are his honourable socialists? I for one see no honour in talking behind Islamic peoples backs. Instead of doing such a thing we ought to fucking go out and be courteous and considerate of other cultures whilst upholding our own identity and right for England to be for all races and show others who we are in real life with honour.

This means that strong and assertive cultures are actually preserved and fulfilled by their opposites by those who adhere to there culture with devotion, culture is not something to lay back and be content with like a comfort blanket for some backwards child mentality, there is also contrast to be made in this way of opposing paradigms meeting one another and resolving, a white image without a black background is invisible and vice versa. If nobody communicates we have a grey nonsensical area where everyone is at each others throats because it's hard to understand something that is not definite and sure of itself. What does this mean? Strife and conflict are necessary, honour, progress or die.

The English public are composed of mundanes similar to the American mundanes, for the majority, they are hubris. Why? The grubby mundane greed for comfort of these hubris is simply a product of the Nazarene culture about which they potter in wretched contentment. Blaming Muslims? what Muslims? who? do you know them?

Direct dialogue, honour. If the group that is imposing on you is ignoble and makes threats for no good reason, then feel free to be adverse one thousand fold, let them dig their own graves.

We are sinister.

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#50037 - 02/27/11 06:48 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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I have to agree with others here that it all depends on location of residence. Where I currenlty reside, there are not very many muslims that I know of. The majority of folks here are broadly Christian.

I have only met one muslim in my life and we have been good friends since high school. He is a goof-ball and likes to joke around and have a good time.

As for Islam being a threat to Satanism, I don't quite see how Satanism could be threatened. Satanists adapt to things. If things got out of hand and people were forced to convert to Islam, self preservation being the highest law most Satanists would probably resemble muslims to survive or simply move away to another neck of the woods.

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#50438 - 03/04/11 06:59 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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I think Islam is a threat to itself. As it moves into countries with a more liberated culture it's going to be challenged by the citizens of that culture. It's happening right now. Women are severely oppressed in Islam and as women are becoming more liberated and empowered in western society the nation of Islam will be exposed to severe backlash as it spreads into western countries.

Also, as the children of Islam are exposed to western culture and the freedom it offers some of them will turn away from their religion as they mature.

Satanism, ironically like Mankind is progressive. Islam is an archaic, superstitious, oppressive religion. It may never truly die out but over time it will definitely recede.
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#50449 - 03/05/11 03:39 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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Aww come on , what's so bad about Islam there are lots of numinous Muslims. Yea, they might not have expressionism, art, music, literature, they have the Holy book and lots of them are respectful.

However, we know that abusers among them find intrinsic value in all manner of faculties relating to the cultivation of the religious super-ego/god complex like demented Christians do.

Before I begin I must say that I let others define themselves as honourable or ignoble by their very deeds in real life, no matter what race or religion or creed, and this is not a judgement on ALL monotheist, just a humorous monologue about the holy malfeasance of the mentally ill ones.


Now here is the lowdown on how religion often cultivates evil, evil being a term that religion devised. Religion is all some psychos need because come on, let's face it, bestial beheadings of the profane infidels or chopping a petty thief's hands off is gonna be a godly/divine sadistic stimulation due to the massive deprivation of natural stimuli for years, more like a sensory orgasm with a long culmination of holding back the desire for a long time in the back of the mind, the violence is unconsciously cultivated and expressed in the name of god, much more of a grandiose ego gratification compared to being a mundane psychopath, surely?

I reckon this is a fundamental evil element people can't grasp about Christianity either, all that repression culminates the desire to unleash holy violence, sexual sadism or just an old fashioned stone faced rape in the name of god, whether it is justified toward infidels, non-believers or their own family members who have luckily broken the holy rules, it's all good if you are an evil monotheist, it's just a clever way to avoid the guilt that can burden the experience and enjoy all manner of depravity, secretly, even from their own consciousness.

I personally recognise the sinister ways of the Inquisitors from medieval Catholicism as having immensely more sinister depth than modern Satanism, the Heretics of those dark days where the guys bringing about change, the Inquisition were the dark and sinister sadists finding intrinsic value in devising divine torture methods that provided a slow agonising death to those who could conceptualise what was happening to them vividly, witches, Satanists, Heretics. Much like how there is no fun in squashing bugs because they can't conceptualise the presence of death, but say, torturing a Satanist would be much more engaging because they are strong willed and there is more stimulation and intimacy when the evil is being received with appreciation.

Islam is an abused religion by a portion of it's followers, not all, likewise Satanism can be abused for comfort purposes, Catholicism can be an abused religion, monotheism is an abused religion etc. on a mass scale humans have broken away from nature, and when one does not embrace the dark aspects of human psyche in correspondence with the light/or ego aspects we have very odd behaviours emerging.

These unnaturals cleverly avoid the naturalistic desires, and experience darkness as collateral consequence instead, it comes out half assed like a retard in a rage or dispassionate and justified, basically they use their doctrines to make the violence a justified ritual to make it more grandiose. Very lame and self deceiving, good for passive people to get a little darkness built up inside though for release when enough tension is stored up. A mind constantly pushing back desires and emotions is the perfect stage for evil to culminate in the dark of the unconsciousness, ready to emerge as the actuality of bloodshed.

May the conceited unnaturals who dare impose upon thee have the false spirit bashed from their clay husks till remains only the stillness of insentient clay to be loaded into trash carts to be piled up high as corpse monuments to the magnificence of the Devil.

I have spoken.
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#50455 - 03/05/11 07:52 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Islam is no threat to anyone, but abusive and dangerous people are, these people will use anything from religion to a uniform to justify their abusive behaviour. A religion is not an evil thing but people who abuse judge others without cause are within all cultures and societies, we just have to come face to face with different cultures and make dialogue to communicate. If the person or group is incommunicable then they are deemed an enemy simply on the grounds that they cannot be trusted. Blind followers that cannot think for themselves? not all religious people are dangerous or unstable because many have a nature that is not submissive and may have been forced into the beliefs against their will. Some simply have a greater understanding of the scriptures and apply them to modern living, others don't due to fear or plain depraved nature.

There is no way to judge whether somebody has a sound nature by what religion or creed they are from, only a face to face with the person is credible. I just see worship of all powerful deities as against nature and thus oneself but that's just my opinion. I only recognise nature and the chaos and harmony, the harshness and the empathy.

Norse lore goes well with my version of Satanism for example, because the Vikings were never about submission to anyone or anything but to recognise the aspects that make a strong community, strength, bravery, fortitude, wisdom, compassion etc. The aspects of nature and mankind are personified in the Old Norse lore with metaphor, tales, stories, lore etc. these brighten the inspirations and imagination of man in the light of nature and help him to recognise noble qualities as well as conceptualising the dark aspects of nature so we may both recognise and understand ourselves and nature etc. I think anyway.

I can't really speak for those who submit to anything because for me respect and lowering of guard to another is earned through deeds displayed, dialogue and character exchange, something that I think all people ought to conduct no matter what race, religion or creed, there always has to be dialogue and a deliberate attempt to understand the other side.

Opposing paradigm, memeplex, tradions, customs, all these things can be fulfilled and preserved through exchange of dialogue and respect. There is no danger of traditions and identities being erased because by preserving and being proud of, passionate about our traditions and beliefs we may present them to other cultures without imposing but to simply maintain a level of respect. Preservation and fulfilment of opposites is the result of testing them, this goes for religions too, displaying submission and fear is not going to get you respect but mistrust.

Always make dialogue, if the religious people remain stone faced and try to impose their beliefs on you, stand your ground, there's not much else to it, fight for your beliefs and what makes you who you are no matter what religion, race, or creed, we all have the right to uphold our personal honour.

The dishonourable will be defined by their very deeds. Who invades another's territory ought to show respect for their own safety. Just like animals do, sometimes this is a mistake but we are humans and of the same species, we may make dialogue even if the other side is foreign, we aren't stupid. Just some of us are due to fear.
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#50457 - 03/05/11 10:21 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
A religion is not an evil thing but people who abuse judge others without cause are within all cultures and societies . . .


Let me ask you a simple question:

Does religion not invariably tend toward this (latter) valence by its very nature?

Consider the facticity of it before you reply.

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#50481 - 03/05/11 03:40 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Jason King]
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What I think personally? I reckon a sober assessment of the real dangers surrounding any systematic repression of human nature such as monotheism.

I am just providing a stage for others to question and think for themselves. Without seeming like some kind of provocateur I can say that I am repulsed by submissive behaviour. Everyone has the means to be self-sufficient, independent.

On a deep conscious or subconscious level, naturalistic peoples genuine expressions and genuine laughter reminds the monotheist he is unwell in the mind and losing out in life. The response is envy—a stone faced justification of holy violence to gratify the super ego in attempt to repair the narcissistic injury. The monotheist must have acknowledgement from all sides to solidify his fantasy, this cultivates and maintains his supply for ego..

Anxiety, fear, tension, frustration, and finally desensitisation and dispassion, the victims of religion often have the very same twitchy, sunken eyes of badly beaten disturbed animals, such as the sorry sights one may encounter at a dog shelter. Instead of pitying them I just see something that ought to be put down to stop it from harming children.

I reckon there's no such thing as evil until it's been defined in religious doctrine. Aggression exists, the predator is in man, the killer is in man, we have these traits to use for survival to hunt and protect territory, it is only man who detaches from nature due to a conceited ego.

Some may argue that religion brings comfort to people, this is true—contentment leads to laziness of mind, laziness of mind leads to boredom and being bored with ones religion is something which creates guilt, guilt leads to blame and blame leads to violence. This might not be a perfect description, but religion or any obsessional pattern based on seeking perfection, repressing emotions and thoughts whilst gratifying the ego, will create a stage for mental illnesses to develop in the mind.

I'm no danger to anyone or anything until one defines themselves suitable by dishonourable deeds done. Respect and personal honour is key I reckon. Who gives a fuck about other peoples lifestyle if they are maintaining a mutual respect.
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#50484 - 03/05/11 04:33 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
Would you think as a Satanist that Islam would be more of a problem to you than Christianity has been?


Not really. Yes, Muslims occasionally make violent attacks, but I'm willing to bet I have greater odds of being killed by an extremist Christian for standing too close to a Planned Parenthood or making out with a girl.

My everyday life is impacted in minor, irritating ways by Christians. They legislate their beliefs through endless little blue laws, slowly chipping away at my lifestyle. They're not scary in the way a hijacker is, but ultimately they affect my life more.

I can't say whether the results of that survey reflect an availability heuristic, a different climate in the UK, or the fact that Christians are likely the ones answered. I don't feel that way. Heck, if Islam does impact my life, it's because it gets Christians worked up about their little culture war.
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#50494 - 03/05/11 06:31 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17


My everyday life is impacted in minor, irritating ways by Christians. They legislate their beliefs through endless little blue laws, slowly chipping away at my lifestyle. They're not scary in the way a hijacker is, but ultimately they affect my life more.



I totally relate to this statement. Here in Indiana, the Muslim population is low, maybe part of the reason is because of the high numbers of red-neck Christians who would make life extremely uncomfortable for them. I live in a wealthy suburb which has a higher number of Muslims then the rest of the state. They are upper-class and keep to themselves for the most part, as do the Jewish refugees from Iran. We have no problems with them.
Christians, on the other hand, insist on inflicting their narrow-minded values and legislating their idea of morality. It is a constant irritant to the rest of us. In retaliation, many of us openly display occult symbolism, support local Atheist and pagan groups, and vote Democrat, because the Republicans are the Bible thumping douche-bags doing all the legislating. You know you live in a red-neck Christian community when that bloodthirsty airhead Sarah-I can see Russia from my backyard-Palin comes to your town!
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#50497 - 03/05/11 06:49 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: LucyFur]
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 Originally Posted By: LucyFur
I live in a wealthy suburb which has a higher number of Muslims then the rest of the state. They are upper-class and keep to themselves for the most part, as do the Jewish refugees from Iran. We have no problems with them.


I've noticed that whichever group has a local majority tends to start butting into other people's business. For Americans, that's typically going to be the Christians. Minorities are usually pro-freedom because it's self-serving. I don't think Muslims or Jews are inherently tolerant, but they're usually pro-tolerance if they're going to be on the receiving end.

 Originally Posted By: LucyFur
In retaliation, many of us openly display occult symbolism, support local atheist and pagan groups, and vote Democrat, because the Republicans are the Bible thumping douche-bags doing all the legislating. You know you live in a red-neck Christian community when that bloodthirsty airhead Sarah-I can see Russia from my backyard-Palin comes to your town!


In all fairness, Democrats have their own version of blue laws. While Republicans are busy making sure certain stores are closed on Sunday or I can't own more than 6 dildos (really), Democrats are trying their hardest to ban guns, SUV's, foie gras, etc. My concern is primarily with the blue laws because I'm in a red state, though Travis County is pretty hippified.
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#50504 - 03/05/11 10:58 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I'll give an excerpt from something I wrote recently:
Because of technological advancements, the modern media is more powerful and influential than ever, spreading it’s mind control like pollen in the wind, becoming the primary mouthpiece of social politics, and religion. As to the question of freedom of thought and expression, one thing I can absolutely assure you, is that the left wing media is far more discrediting, obnoxious, and obsessive of the Left Hand Path than the right wing media ever will be. However, on the part of the right wingers, some of whom have the ideal of advancing Judeo Christian values as the standard for how people will conduct their lives, what we may be facing in the future is a potential for “legislative oppression” that will affect what access we will have to equal rights, based on what will be deemed legally sanctioned appropriate religious affiliation. It’s not out of the realm of possibility. The left wingers have a different agenda. They are already in the process of using the media venues in order to propagate what I call “social oppression”, often directed to those on the Left hand Path. It is just a continuation of what has been going on since medieval times. The same agitators who make statements such as; “I have never seen so many people in such a negative state of mind.” are the very culprits who agitate and confuse them. After all, nothing has the outreach to the minds of people more than the media. There is nothing that influences their thought process, either consciously or subconsciously, more than the media, whether it be internet, or mainstream media. That is exactly what they specialize in, and systematically plan for, mind control and agitating people. Usually for some political agenda or economic gain for themselves. In the case of the alternative media, always attributing it to some strange psycho drama or astro phenomena that is descending upon us, at the threshold of the end of the world. But in actuality, the strange psychic phenomena is THEM. But not limited to that. They have already have been conducting a systematic campaign to smear, tarnish, and degenerate followers of the Left Hand Path, with all kinds of hysterical demagoguery equating Satan, the Devil, or Lucifer to the evil Nazis, Hitler, etc. The majority of clannish right wingers simply don’t take us seriously. They are preoccupied with their own self absorption. But you can bet everything you have that the left wingers do indeed, because, whether it be intellectual new age, atheist, or “progressive” Judeo Christian, it is all about the tunnel vision of their audience, gratification of their hunger for silly morbid curiosity, conspiracy fetish, and the struggle to keep up their ratings.


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#50508 - 03/06/11 01:48 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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I think that Islam like any form of ideology that you personally consider to be detrimental to your values and goals, becomes a threat when it produces evidence that it has the ability to actually impinge on your said goals and values, in society this means either by the passing of laws and successfully promoting cultural changes in the favour of the offending ideology.

Islam as being 'more of a problem' than Christianity to me in the case of Satanism would depend upon the extremity of it's influence upon the components of society which make it either more or less difficult to pursue my interests.However Satanism is a state of being, how you conduct yourself, how you attain your goals/interests. It's reflected in your principles and instincts by which you direct yourself regardless of what system, flag or paradigm of beliefs are in fashion with the status quo. To clarify, you do not need to publicly declare your Satanism in order to be what you already are, it is possible to 'fly under the radar' whilst conducting oneself according to your satanic nature and at the same time not raising any red flags in the face of the 'formal' rules.This was most likely the case with Satanists who lived during the period when Christianity was as 'radical' as Islam is seen to be, especially in the middle east.

Therefore Islam as being a threat to Satanism would depend upon it's ability to effectively suppress satanic behaviour and the goals and objects of desire that a Satanist commits themselves to. And in regards to behaviour that is 'satanic' a look through history shows that no religion or political ideology has ever been able to suppress it :).

Given the element of subjectivity inherent in how people decide what is of value and what isn't, I think that the question of Islam as a threat to Satanism is a different question than that of the Islamic threat to western civilisation/culture which in it's present state can be beneficial to one Satanist's personal values and interests and detrimental to that of another.
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#50509 - 03/06/11 01:53 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: LucyFur]
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We don't have Christians or Muslims that you'd notice here where I live, it's the drinkers and druggies which make up the majority of problems with their pottering about the streets in the evenings or hanging around the shops where Christians and Muslims alike might go to get something to eat or whatever.

Unsophisticated whites into club culture ('Ecstasy' and 'casual sex') People of the tolerant social order who get intrinsic value from low level social stimulation and materialism. A sorry sight indeed and they actually think they are having a good quality experience. Something comes to mind when I think of these druggies and drunks gathering in one place and it's usually a magnificent explosion.

Who are these Muslims and Christians making problems? I don't see any... You only need to put forward 'do not fuck with me' and it's up to you if you do or not, if you don't then people will try and fuck with you. Never had a problem with a Muslim or Christian personally because I don't look at people like this, there's all sorts at my gym, all respectful people bettering themselves and keeping healthy. People in the street will meet my English manner and sense of humour, you know, being fucking friendly and showing character. It's not hard to be human unless you are some kind of meek coward who lacks assertiveness.

We have a Nazarene state law based on tolerance and prohibiting retaliation, and we have folk walking about the streets, who these people are depends on who you are talking to, who you encounter.

I see twitchy eyed Somali around here sometimes, and they aren't numinous Muslims because they all do this legalised drug called Khat. Apparently it is taken socially to produce excitation, banish sleep, and promote communication. A stimulant which dispels feelings of hunger and fatigue. Fucks walk about monged out of their fucking skulls all the time. But these are just the ones I have clocked because I noticed their behaviour, who looks to blame others will not see the progressive or respectful people because they aren't a concern, see? I'm sure the majority of Muslims are descent people but the ones who are a problem need to be crushed just like any other problem, all problems present themselves and requite correction from the people involved. Basically if you show tolerance to a problem then you are asking to get fucked with. Command respect unless you are gutless.

The trouble we have here is not sober minds at work but wasted cunts fucking things up in the streets, it does not matter what race, creed or religion they are supposed to be in appearance there seems to be a distinct parallel between walking on egg shells of Sharia law and the tolerant western law, both are not practical for the honourable man because the honourable man does not seek petty gain from others, does not push his luck with others, he respects others because he knows his own honour is worth defending and values this, he retaliates in full to those who display ignoble character and deeds which would deliberately seek to burden or harm him, at least I work that way.

Who are these Muslims everyone seems to be passing judgement on? The ones you see on Nazarene T.V., Nazarene media? sure beheadings are harsh I watch them while I have my tea sometimes but this is just an example of extremists, you find them in all cultures, Islam just happens to be a vessel that has capacity for violence, just like anything in civilisation does, if people want to kill others then they will.

Hitler for example, he had a misanthropic vision which I can relate to, people will talk semantics about why or who was responsible, but really he had a detestation for mankind and wanted something better, he was motivated by strong feelings of making a better place to live on Earth, the incineration of millions was just collateral towards making things the ideal, totally dispassionate but hey his opposition were inoperable and pushed their luck too far, that's what happens when you view self degrading behaviour of those who won't help themselves, like looking at a institutionalised pack of apes at a zoo wallowing in their own faeces and knowing nothing better.

I'm not an anti Semite I can just relate to Hitler incinerating millions of human beings because it's a lesson not to risk your life pottering about others territory, I don't care what colour, religion or creed you are as long as you respect my boundaries. I don't know any Jewish people, well I might but I don't ask such things, I look at people for what they are personally. The thing is when anyone joins a groupthink then they are immediately associated with any ill done within that group.

If people were independent and selfish intelligently, kept healthy, exercise, intelligent nutrition, concentrating on their own community and close ones, then we'd not have parasitism causing all these conflicts, the dregs always want a piece of what they see as the good life but won't make it themselves, instead they leech off others. It's mainly resolved by showing good character and respect to your community instead of blaming aliens that don't exist.
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#50526 - 03/06/11 09:06 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Damis]
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Given the element of subjectivity inherent in how people decide what is of value and what isn't, I think that the question of Islam as a threat to Satanism is a different question than that of the Islamic threat to western civilisation/culture which in it's present state can be beneficial to one Satanist's personal values and interests and detrimental to that of another. _________________________
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That's a very interesting point. it speaks some volume to the whole scenario, and it is the external threat that is the key issue. However, for now, as long as you are in control of your own turf, you have an advantage in what is percieved to be a free society. And we need to do what we have to do in order to keep it that way. But let's look at it pragmatically from the perspective of the old country (Middle East)

I find Islam to be well deserving of a large part of the brunt of the discussion. As the best living, breathing, and visible example of chaosophy, considering the size of the global Islamic movement, defining fundamentalism within their ranks is a daunting challenge, to say the least. I have always been a believer in the fact that the rise and fall of empires has always been attached to something in line with religious malpractice. The kind of thought process that weakens the individual intellect, spreading like a virus, thereby gradually weakening any nation where it creeps. It occurs to me that there IS a conflict within the metaphysical, dualistic causal, spirit and mundane forces of the Earth and the universe, and this conflict is ongoing. I think there will be an outcome, even if it takes millenniums to resolve. That is why I choose the “path” that I have.

For the sake of the illustration of the perversive nature of Draconian Moralism, Islam simply has a more radical, extremist view of the topic, and may actually be reviving the Crusades. Induction of fear and hatred being their greatest ally [Heaven forbid, I dare not use the word “brave” for critters who stage attacks, hiding behind women and children, against their own neighbors, simply for not opposing the infidels with their pop up cartoons of “fearless leader”]. The support for this is constantly underestimated by the Western moralist establishment. The Muslims are living up to becoming that much coveted opposing force, the transmutated Anti Christ, if you will. So, perhaps, in the Islamic struggle against evil, we can discern from all this that Allah is who Satan aspires to replace. That’s probably the way they, the Muslims, and some conservative Christians for that matter, would view it. Not an enviable position to be in. Some of the Muslims historically take it upon themselves to kill innocent people randomly and indiscriminately, and would be happy to do it on a scale of genocide, if only they could, of course, in the name of Allah. Mohammed becomes an ad hoc Devil’s advocate, while solving the riddle, being the self proclaimed Anti Christ. (Infidels) It certainly fits into historical chronological paradox. What a comforting thought!

Even though it can be exemplified in the oppressive nature of Sharia law, an even more extreme, shall we say a more “politically correct” version of the Code of Hammurabi. It is all too often ignored by Western academics and media reporters, who predictably “ho hum” when they hear about the constant, mindlessly savage attacks by deranged, religiously motivated nihilists who wipe out women and children in market places. The radical Islamists and their affiliate sympathizers have delusioned themselves into thinking that they, while claiming exemption from the basic human attributes of greed, lust, hate, and deprivation of the less fortunate in their society, excuse themselves from the mundane grievances that they reserve for the patriarch in their society.. They claim to be working for this god they follow..

Now, just as the barbarism of the middle ages, they are do it for the sake of “Allah”. No distinction between the married woman, the virgin, and the whore as far as these guys are concerned. It’s where men, even of lesser integrity, have sacred cow status that comes with special rights, freedoms, and privileges that women could never dream of. Except for Israel, there is no territory to conquer anymore. The fight for Jerusalem is still going on. This is how inherently screwed up the world is becoming under this kind of influence. Chaos in it’s purest manifesto! Amen! In fact, chaos has reigned supreme on Earth for at least the past 10,000 years, and the new age chowder heads of civility simply can’t come to grips with it. The vengeful “behaviours” of Allah and Bible God, and their warrior counterparts, right down to the magickal number of “72”, have an astounding resemblance to apocalyptic indiscrimination

If you were an apocalyptic Islamist radical, living back in your cave, it would be easy to be the disadvantaged hypocrite that you are, secretly worshiping the ancient Egyptian or Persian war gods. Remember, some of the most rabid of these radicals come from countries such as Egypt. It would be an easy compromise to make, considering the power and courage one could inherit, being a true blue blasphemer and spiritual double agent. The radicals go about their business, terrorizing, maiming, killing, and plundering. masses simply ignoring it, while choosing not to participate in the dirty work. The Christian, Jew or even many Neo Pagans would object to what they call bigotry against the great Islamic herd, on the grounds that what they really want is love, and peace, and are in objection to the violence committed against the infidels, and even their own people. I wouldn’t call it bigotry, I would call it objective reality.

The question that makes me skeptical about this so called mass objection is; When was the last time you saw a public demonstration anywhere in the Middle East, by the general population or their political and spiritual leaders, or even a candle vigil, in objection to this Jihad? The reason is that there is little overt objection to Jihad in their existing government infrastructures, in order to protect and maintain the wealth of the Middle Eastern oligarchies, to keep it all under the radar. We see them now in an alarmingly effective revolution to oust pro Western heads of state, for supposedly economic reasons. The facts are, that everything in their neighborhood is religiously motivated. In Lebanon, for example, six years ago, their pro western leader Rafic Hariri was savagely assassinated by Hezbollah (Party of God) terror merchants, without hardly causing a stir. In many countries this would be the prelude to a civil war. So who are the “Muslim Brotherhood”? Even if only they live in fear of the radical elements, that tells you how much power and influence the radical elements have. Also, the ousting of pro western Pervez Musharaf in Pakistan, where their war criminals are offered protection in the mountains under the sanction of the newly formed Jeckyl Hyde Pakistani government, where some believe that civil war is also imminent. Not to mention their proliferation of nuclear weapons technology to rogue, hostile third world countries by top Pakistani government scientists, that has dramatically de stabilized the region, [sugar coated by idiot politicians and their media puppets]



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#50765 - 03/10/11 02:10 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Aww come on , what's so bad about Islam there are lots of numinous Muslims. Yea, they might not have expressionism, art, music, literature, they have the Holy book and lots of them are respectful.


You clearly didn't understand my reply. I didn't say that Muslims are bad people. I said that the religion allows their women to be oppressed. It also allows husbands, even numinous ones to behead their wives if they feel they've been disgraced by them. And to this day, some women are still castrated in the name is Islam.
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#50766 - 03/10/11 04:45 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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Arab women are beautiful creatures. How can any man harm a woman, as looking upon them one only feels affection. I have seen much in my life involving abuse to women and the men have always been insecure and effeminate narcissists getting their narcissistic supply by domineering a female.

Neglecting a female's or child's emotional needs is bad enough, but directly harming them is deliberately unnatural. It's not even evil it's simply a behaviour indicative to low emotional intelligence and lack of empathy, people who are submissive by nature assume that others will behave in the same way. They may think they are doing some justice. Thinking of Arab ladies being killed makes me sad. Nothing else scathes me except females in distress. Islam can be used as a vessel for abusive men just like Catholicism, Christianity, even the police force or anyone with a uniform. There is no way to eradicate abuse to females through politics or debate.

Some women are exited by violence and even turned on by it and they don#t want a liberal life, they need to be dominated for stimulation and intrinsic meanings. Although it seems that certain people regard cultivation of a hypersensitive narcissistic ego as being the same as being an honourable human being.

I can relate to what some radical Muslims must feel like because I grew up around violence and I am desensitised to violence myself, but instead of looking towards doctrine I have always looked towards nature and maintained empathy with other beings.

I wouldn't see Islam as a threat, Islam is a peaceful religion, genuine Satanism is a threat by design, one takes on the role of the constant accuser and adversary, Satan is the highest principle of Chaos. I can see how Sharia law is effective and perfectly plausible, upholding ones honour is paramount. However, Satan is beyond all constraints and will use any face, any dialogue and any religious vessel to implement the principle of evil. The principle of Satan is too elusive for moral people to recognise.

Look upon a beautiful Arab lady talking about about her devotion for killing infidels and you'll see an intense darkness emanate about her, the more beautiful, the stronger the aura, it's intoxicating dark empathy, the seriousness and sober intent in the eyes, to recognise that a perfect feminine creature so beautiful has something so impure inside that they are of pure black soul. I don't really know any Satanist females that are actually sinister. Most Satanist are all for resolving issues like civilised persons. Sometimes you just need to recognise the dark for what it is, and realise that it operates under the veil of light.

Genuine Muslims are going to feel what is behind the Qur'an and have compassion, whilst dark natured individuals will recognise a means to slaughter infidels, so there is nothing actually negative about Islam in any respect except that certain individuals whom exist in all cultures, creeds, and religions, whom are with evil intent exist with any face and there is no special way to identify them by placing blame on religion.
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#50785 - 03/11/11 12:23 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Genuine Muslims are going to feel what is behind the Qur'an and have compassion, whilst dark natured individuals will recognise a means to slaughter infidels, so there is nothing actually negative about Islam in any respect except that certain individuals whom exist in all cultures, creeds, and religions, whom are with evil intent exist with any face and there is no special way to identify them by placing blame on religion.


I agree completely, although there is a certain dark side to the Quran as welll as a compassionate side. Of course, people will always react to what parts personally stimulate their own dispositions, so abstract ideas like "religion" generally serve more as mirrors that reflect the nature of their practitioners.

I would even go so far as to argue that there are indeed "numinous Christians", as mystics of all stripes tend to exhibit similar ideas and experiences, many even going so far as to contradict the official "canon" of their time period. I need not elaborate on the numerous hermits and monks, who, after decades of spiritual labor ended up showing far more compassion and wisdom than the dry bureaucratic sterility so commonly expressed by priests, bishops, and popes.

With all the fear-mongering prevalent these days, it is easy for one to imagine some kind of a nightmare Caliphate theocracy instated by hordes of invading terrorists. I just don't think that's realistic from a global perspective. At present, the strongest force in the world is the miasma of global industry, which in turn sublimates all other forces and twists them to suit its needs. If Islam gained a western majority following, I think it would simply be rendered impotent much in the same way Christianity has.

So overall, Islam is not a threat to Satanism any more than every other ideology (Christianity, Consumerism, Fascism, etc) that seeks to enchain our race to its tenants. The Left-Hand-Path is, at essence, an ontological methodology that can manifest under any circumstance and culture, even under an oppressive state-enforced religion.


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#51001 - 03/15/11 02:53 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Arab women are beautiful creatures. How can any man harm a woman, as looking upon them one only feels affection. I have seen much in my life involving abuse to women and the men have always been insecure and effeminate narcissists getting their narcissistic supply by domineering a female.


Muslim women are beaten, castrated, beheaded, even stoned to death on an almost regular basis in the middle east.

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Neglecting a female's or child's emotional needs is bad enough, but directly harming them is deliberately unnatural. It's not even evil it's simply a behaviour indicative to low emotional intelligence and lack of empathy, people who are submissive by nature assume that others will behave in the same way. They may think they are doing some justice. Thinking of Arab ladies being killed makes me sad. Nothing else scathes me except females in distress. Islam can be used as a vessel for abusive men just like Catholicism, Christianity, even the police force or anyone with a uniform. There is no way to eradicate abuse to females through politics or debate.


The difference is that in Islam it's a normal way of life.

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Some women are exited by violence and even turned on by it and they don#t want a liberal life, they need to be dominated for stimulation and intrinsic meanings.


Sure. If it's their choice to be treated that way. Islamic women have no choice. Their treated worse than dogs.


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I wouldn't see Islam as a threat, Islam is a peaceful religion, genuine Satanism is a threat by design, one takes on the role of the constant accuser and adversary, Satan is the highest principle of Chaos. I can see how Sharia law is effective and perfectly plausible, upholding ones honour is paramount. However, Satan is beyond all constraints and will use any face, any dialogue and any religious vessel to implement the principle of evil. The principle of Satan is too elusive for moral people to recognise.


Satan promotes chaos? Evil? How?

Satanism promotes objectivism. Enlightenment. Taking responsibility for your own actions. Islam is about blindly following a higher power and doing whatever that higher power tells you do to. Even if it means killing an innocent person.
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#51015 - 03/15/11 12:47 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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Muslim women are beaten, castrated...


That must be quite some work castrating those women. I wonder if they are forced to shave their mustaches too.

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#51031 - 03/15/11 02:45 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
Muslim women are beaten, castrated...


That must be quite some work castrating those women. I wonder if they are forced to shave their mustaches too.

D.
You are so harsh. Wicked wicked man. I have a particular affection for Arab women, they must be waxed though, them dark haired ladies have a minor flaw... thinking of it any overtly feminine lady is more attractive by nature, I notice that the western women rarely wear dresses and it's rare to see a female with feminine composure in England nowadays. I'm serious, look at Japanese ladies mannerisms and composure and Arab ladies mannerisms compared to the chav birds we have brawling about like blokes in England. This is because these females have to take on this masculine charade in order to get respect because none is given to a lady anymore.

Now I'm starting ha! the bars we have in England are merely legalised brothel hubs where drunk women with way too much make up on line up and wait for the next penis to come along and buy them with alcoholic beverages.

I just think it's always the males in cultures that fuck things up with their insecurities. Our Queen has got old and prince Charles is a jealous psycho so we need to at least get prince Harry in the seat because he takes after his mother who should have been the Queen.

I personally feel that any society will work better with a Queen or lady president because all males like to work for women, it's natural, if they don't then they are insecure and have to follow other males examples. If a society is based on respecting women and acknowledging that women are what make us work and actually give us life in the first place then this is where good manners can come from and manners make the man.

The major monotheist religions are male dominance just like hubris western society that likes to live in absolute comfort. Males find comfort in dominating women and the omegas end up with nubile females that they'd never be able to inseminate in naturalist environments. This creates children whom are the offspring of vile natured males and abused females, they grow up in abusive households and can go one of two ways.

A classical European society would be ideal with males having the gentlemanly tradition of honourable duelling with deadly weapons if one was to offend the lady's honour. All the vile natured dregs would be walking around on egg shells and the polarised masculine types would treat the women like they deserve.

Instead we have dregs hiding behind petty laws and they treat women in a way that is so neglectful and they have no idea that the behaviour is abusive, so many men I have talked to here think abuse is just hitting women, they don't take into consideration that they might be ignoring their partners needs.

Castrating and beheading women is the end result of the cultural education's root, everything stemming from a culture that puts women second is going to end up branching out into abstractions of that mentality as if nothing is unnatural about it. In the end we have abuse to females being honourable. As soon as you neglect a woman's feelings they aren't with you. They can be there physically but that's it, the female is not ever going to trust the man again.

The untermench are the dregs of nature, they who would harm her. What care do we for they who she has turned her face from.

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#51034 - 03/15/11 03:06 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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I know what he implied with castration but he must not have known the right word. I never dated a Muslima but I'm quite sure that whenever I end up in bed with one, the last thing I'll discover are testicles. And those are exactly what is required before one can castrate anyone.

Female genital mutilation isn't a Muslim practice as much as it is a cultural practice. Most of it is practiced in North Africa and one can wonder if the practice itself doesn't predate the current religion.

Sure Muslims can serve their purpose to steer the mass into a certain direction and then, stereotyping and generalizing are quite good tools but overall, anyone using their brain should know that not all Muslims are like some Muslims. I met quite a few who are respectful, polite people and I know those who are dross. But the same goes for any group or race I met.

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#51038 - 03/15/11 03:29 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Diavolo]
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Yea they cut the clitoris away to reduce the female arousal. They think this is what makes women cheat when women cheat for emotional reasons.

It's all male insecurity.

Arab ladies are beautiful, let us Satanist celebrate them. Male dominated cultures like Islam and Christianity 'allows' harm to females in many ways, not nature based societies ie. it is natural to smash a man's head on a rock if you see him hurting a female, even the most basic caveman has this impulse. So we being civilised ought to recognise that it is not natural to make women sad and make our societies intelligent around principles like this.

Misogyny is also a sign indicative of effeminacy in males.

Nature is often referred to as 'she' for a reason, those who are aligned strongly with nature have empathy and natural drives that are strong.
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#51085 - 03/16/11 06:09 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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You clearly didn't understand my reply. I didn't say that Muslims are bad people. I said that the religion allows their women to be oppressed. It also allows husbands, even numinous ones to behead their wives if they feel they've been disgraced by them. And to this day, some women are still castrated in the name is Islam.

I alway find it hilarious when people start discussing if a religion or philosophy is bad or good. Many arguments (both con and pro) can be given, but the most important part is always being forgotten: cultural upbringing and ancestrial heritage.
Islam just is something which belongs to the people of the middle-east. And it is there where it should be, we people from the West have a different culture and upbringing which leads towards other ideas and philosophies and religions. Satanism is a result from this (the certain traits and mindset ASL called Satanism). Other religions/philosophies/ways of life such as Buddhism, Islam,.. are watered down versions (at least here in the west) from what they truly are in their land of birth.

We in the West simply cannot comprehend some of the actions and laws which these religions bring simply because we have a different cultural heritage. People who convert from the one thing to the other are what I call mundanes. They will always have a romanticized version of the facts, the hard parts being left out.

I also have quite a dislike towards those people who flee from their land of birth and start settling in the West. I have no trouble of having them here. But I do dislike the implementing of some of their traditions and rules here in the Western countries. Have your religion at home but don't bring it outside. As an example: I'm quite upset about the fact that some of the swimming pools are closed here in Brussels at certain hours simply because muslims don't want their wives to be seen swimming in water where other man are. Just fucking adapt! They are in my country, so they obey the rules of that country just as I do. No exceptions.

On another note Knievel mentioned that Islam is bad because of the oppressive nature towards women. I ask you, have you ever read the Catholic bible? I've done it a few times, and boy there are quite some fucked-up parts which are alike of the Qu'ran. The only difference between the 2 is simply the difference in cultural upbringing of the adherents where these religions thrive.

And I admit some arab women are actually quite hot. I have one I see on a daily basis.. mini-skirt, nice cleavage, boots who scream "fuck-me"... too bad she is a bit shy. Nice dark-brown eyes and soft raven hair, a very nice skin and a pleasant soft voice...
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#51338 - 03/19/11 05:17 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Diavolo]
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Muslim women are beaten, castrated...


That must be quite some work castrating those women. I wonder if they are forced to shave their mustaches too.

D.


LOL! You're right. Castration was the wrong choice of words. I meant mutilation.

To clear something up, I never said it was a bad religion, I was merely stating facts. And yes, I've read the Bible. But this topic is about Islam and Satanism, not Christianity. I was sticking to the topic.

To Hegesias: How am I a wicked, wicked man? You're either trying to play cute (which you're not) or you clearly don't understand some of the religious practices in Islam.

And you didn't answer my question: How is Satanism evil (as you put it)? If you think it promotes chaos and evil you're clearly on the wrong site.


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#51339 - 03/19/11 05:52 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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If you think it promotes chaos and evil you're clearly on the wrong site.

I hardly think you are in any position to be telling others what they should be doing, much less dictating the conditions of Satanism. Evil/chaos are, philosophically and aesthetically part of the Satanic part and parcel.

I suppose this is where you tell us that Satanism is ACTUALLY about brotherhood and 'whatever you want it to be'(as long as it isn't offensive to anyone) as per your moronic MCOS standard fare.
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#51345 - 03/19/11 06:51 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
Muslim women are beaten, castrated...


That must be quite some work castrating those women. I wonder if they are forced to shave their mustaches too.

D.


LOL! You're right. Castration was the wrong choice of words. I meant mutilation.

To clear something up, I never said it was a bad religion, I was merely stating facts. And yes, I've read the Bible. But this topic is about Islam and Satanism, not Christianity. I was sticking to the topic.

To Hegesias: How am I a wicked, wicked man? You're either trying to play cute (which you're not) or you clearly don't understand some of the religious practices in Islam.

And you didn't answer my question: How is Satanism evil (as you put it)? If you think it promotes chaos and evil you're clearly on the wrong site.


My post was not directed to you, I was not influenced by your words enough to regard a repetition of what has been laid out a few times from different angles earlier in other threads.

I was calling Diavolo a 'wicked man' because of his lady moustache joke, I would,t take it out of context while neglecting main points posted for discussion.

Spoon feeding is not something care to do, but to recap and answer your question in short, in a simple way we can see that new order comes from first creating Chaos, harmony always emerges from disharmony. Chaos creeps into and permeates every stagnant form, Satan in my philosophy is, but is not limited to, that counter current which breaks down essenceless and stagnant forms of order. In this we see that Satan is the positive and strong and that the demiurgos light, which is the phenomenal form of it's idea, relates to the negative and weak aspects of a stagnant ego.

This is a thread about Islam being some kind of threat to Satanism and I thought I'd order some confusion. Satan is the constant accuser, the constant opposer, he shall be both heretic and inquisitor. Islam represents a form of monotheism ie. one-way-thinking, this is a groupthink ethos and something from which the individual can emerge or simply be snubbed out by. Satan is the wild and lawless opposer of all stagnant forms of order and rigid stasis. Thus Satan is the highest principle of Chaos.

To be on topic away from philosophy, I will create an argument on the side of Islam from what I know personally and not from books or media, I know a few Muslim fellows who attend the same gym as me and these people are, as I mentioned earlier, people who live a healthy lifestyle.

Can you not see that presenting a positive side into an argument is necessary for dialectical means? I prefer not to engange in debate about who is wrong or right, or who is the worthy contemporary Satanist, and instead present points for synthesis on the readers behalf. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. The realisation is strengthened and preserved by moving into and over it's opposites.

If I was to wade in promoting anti-human misanthropic death and desecration of monotheism what would this come to? Nothing but stimulation of dark mental activity that can be sought elsewhere.

Satanist here will surely see an intelligent means of actualising the annihilation of stagnant forms shall be sought instead. It is not my goal to make persecution of religious persons on here because what would be the point. Everyone here has already established the nature of the enemy and so we shall to study him to further understanding.

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#51347 - 03/19/11 08:15 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Islamic persons moving into a western paradigm are not part-time marauding executioners nor vaginal mutilation hobbyists or they would be incarcerated for crimes against humanity, and although rare cases of butchery are as interesting as any psycho-pathological violence, I will continue to read this Qur'an I have paid for, because I do not fear anyone or anything and will make dialogue and maintain respect face to face with anyone no matter what race, creed or religion and let any enemy define himself suitable for conclusion by his very deeds indicative of an invasion of privacy or to impose shit and filth upon my solitary mindfulness with deliberation. But insofar as religious people have been respectful in my presence as I have theirs equilibrium and respect has been maintained.

I reject the orders, instructions and suggestions of others who may impose their beliefs upon me, I have my own source for learning the cerebrations of the monotheist and do not claim expertise. We, Lucifer do not submit to anyone nor anything but to receive understanding through access to knowledge.

Will to Power will assert itself and this is a means of attaining power, and for resistance to be overcome be must be assertive and not comfortably stagnant. Recharge time will be abused and justified as peace by the flaccid contentment seeker. Monotheism is representative of repression and imposed peace, let us see this as a stage for Will to Power to enter and assert itself. This does not mean to crusade and impose upon others privacy, but to go beyond and make for ourselves a community which is as self sufficient and independent as is the Satan.

Reliance on others to 'do as I do, do as we do, think as I think, be as I am' is not part of a self sufficient independent community, taking part in common goals and progressions toward education in sciences and the natural world are naturally gravitating to they of intelligent and inquisitive natures such as the philosophical Satanist. Saying this even the most basic caveman has shown tribal instincts which closely protect females of their communities, they had no doctrine nor morals as it is ingrained by nature, on impulse to both hate and love without debate or ideology as when one loves or hates he simply does and does not need ideology.
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#51348 - 03/19/11 08:41 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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On Islam in general...

Most Muslims are simply like a lot of people in the world - just trying to live their lives and get by. However, this vast majority is held hostage by a small, vocal, and very violent minority. This violent minority is given financial and moral support by a bit large minority who believe in their mission but are unwilling or unable to directly support them.

The majority of Muslims live in fear of the radical minority. It is 'haram' (un-Islamic, forbidden, unclean) to speak out against a 'brother' Muslim (especially to an Infidel). So, the great train of Islam (about a billion people) is being pulled down the tracks toward the 7th Century by the small but powerful engine of radical Islamists.

Most Muslims, like most Xtians, are fairly benign - annoying, but fairly harmless. However, those are not the Muslims I worry about. I am worried about the Muslims who have made it their holy mission to attack the West and subvert Western Democracy.

Is Islam a threat? Yes, but not just to Satanists. It is a threat to civilization it's self. The fact of the matter is Islam, as it is practiced today in the Middle East, is incompatible with all other ways of life.
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#51354 - 03/19/11 09:55 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
The majority of Muslims live in fear of the radical minority. It is 'haram' (un-Islamic, forbidden, unclean) to speak out against a 'brother' Muslim (especially to an Infidel). So, the great train of Islam (about a billion people) is being pulled down the tracks toward the 7th Century by the small but powerful engine of radical Islamists.


I was unaware of that. This does put into perspective why moderate Muslims don't make a point of sticking it to the more extreme ones. I do know that one of the doctrines of al-Qaeda is that more moderate Muslims aren't 'true' Muslims, which I suppose would give al-Qaeda a license to criticize them.
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#51362 - 03/20/11 01:21 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Speaking of Islam vs. “The West” (as I imagine Muammar Gaddafi and his loyalists will continue to frame it):

Allies launch Libya force as Gadhafi hits rebels

Until about a year ago I would have dismissed Yahoo News as not worth looking at, but actually I’ve come to use it as one of numerous semi-regular mainstream news sources, because if nothing else, its articles are usually somewhat longer and more in depth than typical internet “news”.

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#51364 - 03/20/11 01:32 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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This thread has something wrong with it, I think it's because we are talking about Islamic people like they are something we are trying to understand without acknowledging that they are just like us with a different culture. For instance we have wife beaters in western society, domestic abuse is rampant and goes unnoticed, we have criminal syndicates and organised crime.

Islam is just being put forward as a cause to blame it for what all humans of any race, creed, gender or culture, do to eachother, they hurt eachother.

I think the radicals actually are so defensive and so in want for a peaceful world that they react from fear responsively and simply have to do as their religion tells them to to make things better. This involves killing infidels that they can't possibly trust because they have been taught that they are evil and will harm them if they don't convert them to the ways that they see as the perfect way of life that has no bad.

This is easy to see if people stop looking at what makes people think and instead to look at what they themselves would feel like if they were Muslims and living like Muslims. You can't because you are all not Muslims. You don't know how they feel unless you live in their community.

I myself become violent to anyone who shows violence, it's automatic and reactory, I have NEVER ever started violence or wanted to hurt another human being unless they were a threat. How would you feel to be persecuted. They just want to make things better but it's insane because they are in denial about what they are doing which is hurting other beings to get their cause done which is meant to be harmony.

It is just humans hating their own violent nature and trying to fight fire with fire, war is eternal. Peace is often a dream that fuels it. But because humans think and try and think how eachother are thinking against them, more often than they feel for one another, we have a lack of REAL communication. It takes sweet fuck all to be kind to somebody but as soon as somebody has ill intent that's when the shit hits the fan.

Why have ill intent? Who does? I never saw the point nor felt it, I destroy people just to stop them being harmful so I can relate. never went out of my way in my life to harm somebody, or take from anybody else, never wanted to. Those who will show ill intent for no reason just need to be shut down simply because it's a natural instinct.

People don't understand eachother and it's hopeless because nobody is brave enough and they are all cowards that can't put their guard down to communicate so they hurt the other side first to make sure they themselves are not in any danger.

I watched a video of a young Muslima lady being killed by her own people and it made me shake with adrenaline wanting to tear to pieces any, absolutely any male, that I didn't sleep for over 38 hours and was pacing around my flat.

It's just gone too far. I am going to my underground bunker to work on a virus that will annihilate only humans so the animals may inherit the Earth, we are faulty by design.
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#51367 - 03/20/11 01:48 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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The three slave religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - are inherently exclusivist and intolerant. Historically they have driven out or killed those who don't believe & obey their ideologies & popular-control structures.

In modern times this is least apparent in Christianity, primarily because of its internal fracturing [beginning with the Reformation and continuing since then] and loss of mythological credibility [beginning with the Enlightenment]. Today, with the exception of occasional lunatic-fringe spasms (such as the 1980s' witch-hunts), no "Christian" actually believes in Christianity except as an occasional social convenience.

Judaism's intolerance, originally the most extreme in Mediterranean antiquity, lessened over the centuries precisely because it brought Jews a similar treatment from much-larger institutional Christianity. Eventually the Jews became the most vocal champions of tolerance precisely because of this. When the threat to them is removed, they revert, as in the current instance of their treatment of Palestinians. As for their mythology, they consider it indistinguishable from their sociopolitical culture, and therefore it is never an impediment to, and always a justification for whatever they wish to do.

Islam has its historic internal divisions, but not I think to the self-destructive extent of Christianity. Muslims still actually, genuinely believe in Islam. They make decisions and take actions based upon this belief, which is something inconceivable to today's Christian or Jew. This is the reason the Judæo/Christian West is so frightened by Islam; it can't believe that a mere religion can still exercise that literal control. [Can you imagine today's Christian or Jew blowing himself up in a suicide vest?]

Indeed it is a function of the emptiness and insincerity of contemporary J/C that institutional Satanism was permitted to exist and even be socially-chic in the 1960s. If the J/Cs actually believed their religions as they did prior to the Enlightenment, we would have been outlawed and/or again burned at the stake. [One of Anton LaVey's smart & savvy ideas was publicly representing the Church of Satan as just as phony as the J/C it opposed. This society could understand, and that is why the Church was never regarded as a threat.]

All of which brings us around to this thread-question: Is Islam a threat to Satanism?

This depends again on how any Satanist or Satanic institution is regarded by Islam. It doesn't regard modern Christianity as a threat, because it recognizes that it is already dead. It regards Zionism, not religious Judaism, as a political/territorial threat. It probably hasn't bothered with [Western cultural] Satanism because it is such a statistical drop in the bucket, and because its public image, such as it has one, is that of either Anton's "carny" C/S or wacked-out rock musicians.

If you moved to an Islamic culture and were perceived to be an authentic Satanist as sincere in your religion as the Muslim is in his, you'd be toast. You can walk around calling yourself a "Satanist", wearing Baphomets, etc. in the J/C world only because everyone around you, not believing in his/her religion except for fluff, shrugs you off as just the same in red/black dress-up.
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#51368 - 03/20/11 02:01 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

If you moved to an Islamic culture and were perceived to be an authentic Satanist as sincere in your religion as the Muslim is in his, you'd be toast. You can walk around calling yourself a "Satanist", wearing Baphomets, etc. in the J/C world only because everyone around you, not believing in his/her religion except for fluff, shrugs you off as just the same in red/black dress-up.


Yep. I spent a lot of time in the Middle East both being stationed in Turkey (where Islam was moderate due to the influence of their national hero Mustapha Kemal Attaturk), and going to places where ISLAM was the world on duty and as a tourist. I didn't wear my Baphomet like a 20 pound target around my neck when I walked in the souk... never was stupid enough to stand in front of a mosque and "call the ragheads out." I learned from my earliest times in the region that the Arabs KNOW they are Allah's chosen and that if they saw you as a threat to that, you would indeed "be toast." When an Arab confronts you on the street, he will not be alone. He will have his millions and his god behind him, and when he narrows his eyes on you, you'd better be as quick and as good as you claim.
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#51369 - 03/20/11 02:37 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Excellent synthesis of points raised both previously presented and new to your post Michael Aquino and Jake999. That was inspirational to this post. Good job too because I previously wrote a murderous post in place of this that I sent to Diavolo which I am sure he will laugh at because it was utterly psychopathic, such an outlet left me clear-headed for the below post as I will explain in context in all regard to topic.

Satanism is a threat to my own life. By design Satanism for me is risk and self persecution for what I feel is natural. You say the religions are the slave religions, I can't relate because I have never submitted to anyone, anything and I have suffered for it, I just, can't, I know I will suffer but I can't cooperate, I failed to get into the Army.

The predisposition for violence some people have, results from genetic and early childhood experiences. There are traits that are indicative of, but not absolutely deterministic of a killer, yet it is a framework for identifying those who may have the propensity. Psychopathy in media is associated almost exclusively with violent actions and crazed evil people, rather than an innate 'propensity' for violence. I have been the fighter for much of his life. Frequent fighting as a child does not mean I was a bully at all, never. I chose to respond in stressful situations with immediate dispassion.

I despatch problematic criminally behaving men efficiently and swiftly, and have clearsight objective, emotionless and calculated, as it simply must be done. The Army provides outlets for this 'propensity'. It is the perfect environment. And I have on two occasions done well only to be told I fail at teamwork mentality drastically. I am misanthropic and do not trust others in situations to be responsible, I'm the man who will and has taken on two at once rather than let others get in my way, only endangering themselves and putting me in a position of weakness. This actuality is apparently the fatal flaw in my design.

I failed for my inability to work in a team and I still train every day and keep my fitness up, I can't break out of this because I need the stimulation.

I feel that Iraqi soldiers and Al-Qaeda do not get the aggression outlets that they need for stimulation due to their repressive religion and fasting or Ramadan which causes lack of vitamins and carbohydrates for healthy positive brain activity, and this all leads to increased anxiety and impulse for 'violence' which is a different thing than the deliberate and slow movements associated with what I feel as aggression, in my experience anyway.

I suggest that Arab boys with childhood experiences of being exposed to strong violence are ingrained with the 'propensity' for violence and never have a healthy outlet, even as men as soldiers they are inclined to act irrationally and blow themselves up without fear. The religion cultivates pure psychopaths which are given grandiose direction by a super ego / god complex, whichever term is appropriate / applicable.

This is a ruthless enemy without regard for their own safety.

Satanism is the idyllic cultivator of, dare I say, a healthy psychopathic personality for those innate individuals with a 'propensity' to kill. I am not talking about a Richard Ramirez drifter/outcast personality with no sane direction and thus atrocities emerged from his 'propensity' for violence as he was trained by an ex military soldier to gut and torture for maximum effect and programmed with pictures of war atrocities as a child by this man. I am instead referring to an extremely positive combination of Satanism and Military training to cultivate discipline and give outlet for aggression giving the essential stimulation that he with a 'propensity' to kill needs so he may think rationally and remain sane.

The rationale of a warrior ready to die who has learned to die is the most efficient soldier, he has conquered death. This would be the sane soldier I was referring to, the religiously insane enemy is irrational and often destroys himself by design with a paradise fantasy in place which is kamikazee and defeatist mentality. To learn to die does not mean to die by design but to focus on the objective and get it done in focus with a very real threat of death that has long since been established as final and thus importance to live and think sharp is maintained in the most extreme scenarios.

Is Islam a threat to Satanism? it is but what is Satanism to the Military, a keen edged asset or stepping stone to greater achievement, to live the way of the warrior.


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#51597 - 03/22/11 07:33 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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If you think it promotes chaos and evil you're clearly on the wrong site.

I hardly think you are in any position to be telling others what they should be doing, much less dictating the conditions of Satanism. Evil/chaos are, philosophically and aesthetically part of the Satanic part and parcel.

I suppose this is where you tell us that Satanism is ACTUALLY about brotherhood and 'whatever you want it to be'(as long as it isn't offensive to anyone) as per your moronic MCOS standard fare.


Dan, as usual you don't understand what you're talking about and use immature insults to cover it up. If you think I feel Satanisn is "fluffy and brotherly" then you clearly don't understand my point of view.

Hegasias: I replied to the original post and you shot back trying to play it cute. Please, go back to my original reply and read it again if you're not clear on my opinion.
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#51607 - 03/22/11 09:18 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Knievel74]
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I think my point was quite valid, you missed the mark in your assessment re:chaos and evil(both integral from a certain perspective) and I called you on it.

As for your opinion of me or what I write on this subject, it isn't worth much as it is the perspective of someone from the outside looking in. I'm sure plenty of wannabes and pretenders don't resonate with what I or other Satanists write. No big deal. ;\)

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#51614 - 03/22/11 10:30 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Actually, Islam is not even a religion. It is a socio/political system based on Sharia Law. In the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928, they almost "constitutionally" declared themselves to become the enforcers of Sharia Law in societies that are generally construed as Muslim, In the early 1900's the geographical dynamics of the region was very different than what it is today, making Islam even more of a regional identity, rather than a religion. And of course, oil was barely being discovered at that time, giving the Middle East power and influence over the developing countries of the industrial revolution of the West. That hadn't even captured the fancy of the Islamists up to that point in time.
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#51634 - 03/23/11 11:58 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dave Pellani]
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In Islamic theology, "al-Insan al-Kamil" means "the person who has reached perfection." also identified with the Logos, the Divine Intellect. Baphe Metis means the Baptism of Wisdom. "Baphomet" is a Luna deity and is a corruption of Mohammed the prophet of Islam who would illuminate the minds of man. Before the birth of the prophet Mohammed the people worshipped the pre-Islamic lunar deity some called Allah. The Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word "Allah" seventeen times.

Baphomet is also the Dark pagan idol manifested my male dominated society of Christians through the Night's Templar which the Inquisition used to manifest violence upon the sinister feminine from which the entity emanates thus presencing a darkness like the world has yet to see emerge since. The true natured bloody face of human kind is intensely violent. Obedience is indicative of the meek, disobedience is indicative of the intense and powerful yet active-submission is not weakness but wise and part of the aggressive flow because the strong will move in unison.

The weak are sheltered by their over populated numbers and will display vulgar and unnatural displays of power out of innate nervousness and insecurity such as we see in the totally male dominated societies of Islam and Christianity that detach from what is "empathy" the essential bond in the lowly animal kingdom which the hubris human has forgot he is part of.

It was always meant to be a non duel unification of left and right brain activity. True power is True Knowledge which is understanding. We are nature and simplicity is key, some just can't face being unable to hunt and bathe in the blood of the kill like we are made for and thus stimulate our being with the absurd abstraction the intellect is capable of.

The source is inside and all around of us. Feminine power is associated with inner strength, inner knowing, wisdom, intuition, creativity, empathy, receptivity, and self worth. Feminine power is not of the ego, insecurity, and fear but the opposite. Feminine powers are displayed by a calm reaction to conflicts. There is no need to prove one knows more than someone, or prove that they are better because assurance is detached from what others think.

Masculine energy is associated with aggression, action, the analytical and logical, Will to Power and of the ego. a person who has a strong masculine energy is impatient and impulsive but through cultivating empathy with nature and other beings with rejection of religious abstraction we arrive at a balance from understanding and thus we can move through the world without friction asserting Will to Power gracefully without wasting energy being formless like water. To wield Power gracefully and avoid petty and vulgar displays of power because to base ones power on dominating the weak is to render oneself as futile and as vulnerable as a forte' built upon quicksand. The human mind has evolved and can never return to it's recent past because to look away from the light one will only see shadow, rather we look into the light of ourselves and see darkness there, in this darkness lies enlightenment.

Saying that I have a strong primitive side that needs stimulation and the dark pagan idol of the Inquisition Baphomet was the sinister feminine which the predominantly male dominated society of the Christians demonised. Dark empathy and the absorber of pain and suffering, we project evil and then fight against it, also Baphomet is an associated with Pan who is also a unison of opposites, and meaning "All". A principle of Satanic philosophy is to use the images and dialect, the memeplex of an ethos that was once the individuals "conditioning" against itself, this is not simple inversion but a unification of opposites where we arrive at the stage of Chaos in our being where opposites come from, the dark subconsciousness and light consciousness merge and from here stems the perpetual individuation, the process by which one confronts the shadow. So, what is the critical difference between West and East? Disorder. And from this Chaos comes new Order.

Whatever is left standing is the supreme truth. Good and Evil? what are these principles of nonsense which have no place in nature? Only the actualisation is true. Who will be left? Obedience is indicative of omega subordinates in animal hierarchy yet these subservience are not without purpose and are deliberate, as active submission can be viewed as natural as the strong will move in unison, this is very different to the lowest of the low who are eliminated quickly through process. Whoever will challenge the Alpha has a change to improve the flow of things or be killed strengthening the current order.

Chaos is perpetual change, welcome threat, be stimulated by it and dominate. The flaccid herd of monotheist have turned on their own females as an inversion of nature. Dregs of nature combined into a pseudo hierarchy of human waste. Both East and West are in need of some major changes and I'd like to know what you as Satanist think those are?

My personal view as a scientific misanthropist: These dead ingrate cultures and their flaccid drones potter over the earth repressing the nature of life itself. Nature will decide. Natural warriors are among us and we are in every culture. The critical difference between West and East in terms of religion is the principle of evolution "disorder" and from disorder comes harmony in perpetual evolution, an ugly process with peaks of beauty to behold for they don't last long and ought to be fought for.
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#51645 - 03/23/11 02:41 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
... Baphe Metis means the Baptism of Wisdom. "Baphomet" is a Luna deity and is a corruption of Mohammed the prophet of Islam who would illuminate the minds of man ... Baphomet is also the Dark pagan idol manifested my male dominated society of Christians through the Night's Templar ...

The poor old Baphomet has been through innumerable attributions, among which:

 Originally Posted By: M.A.A., The Church of Satan
The most sensible explanation for “Baphomet” to date is that of Idries Shah, who, in his book The Sufis, suggests that the term was probably a corruption of the Arabic abufihamat (pronounced “bufihimat”), which means “father” or “source of understanding”. Joseph Daniels II° of Indianapolis was the first to suggest [after reading this Cloven Hoof article] that the Templar/Arabic term might have been a corruption of the ancient Egyptian Ba-neb-Tettu, the hieroglyphic term for the city of Mendes in the Nile Delta. In Ptolemaic accounts Mendes was “notorious” for its goat-god, who was said to mate with women in religious festivals. The truth is probably less lurid. Comments Sir E.A. Wallis Budge in his Gods of the Egyptians: “The title Ba-neb-Tettu was sometimes held to mean the ‘Soul, the Lord Tettu’, and this was the name at Mendes of the local form of Khnemu, whose symbol there, as elsewhere, was a ram … He was regarded as the virile principle in gods and men, and is styled ‘King of the South and North, the ram, the virile male, the holy phallus which stirreth up the passions of love …’”
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#51721 - 03/24/11 06:08 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dave Pellani]
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If you want to take it that far, then technically "religion" is an invention of the modern age. Faith in God and spiritual practices was such an integral part of daily life that they were inseparable.

Islam, however, is unique because it was the first real "constructed religion" in the modern sense. Certain elements of monotheism that we often take for granted, such as practices of fasting and pilgrimage, the concept of Lucifer, and the idea of "The Holy Book", were the results of long cultural exchange and development. Islam, on the other hand, was tailor-made by Mohammad with all of these traits in mind based on what he observed from other religions.

(ie, the Christians and Jews have a bible, so I'll write my own bible! They observe daily prayers, so I'll put a couple of those in too. They have a 'holy city', and I like Mecca... so why not?)

It was designed to appeal to the maximum amount of people possible without compromising his own spiritual authority (ie, the "I am the greatest and last Prophet", etc) The fabled "Satanic Verses", for instance, were partially intended to woo the followers of Allah's Daughters into Mohammad's fold, but when they turned down the offer, Mohammad hastily excised the verses, claiming they were an error inspired by Shaitan.
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#51772 - 03/26/11 01:50 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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" Both East and West are in need of some major changes and I'd like to know what you as Satanist think those are?"

First, Hegesias, as a Chaosophist, mis anthropist, Satanist, or whatever, it seems that you have covered the bases rather thoroughly, and I think it's hard to expound on what you have described here, I agree with most, if not all of your analysis. However, there is no reconciling of East and West as far as I'm concerned. I have no interest in that kind of game. There is nothing we, you or they can do, in the mundane sense, to mend the cultural ideological differences (transgressions) that have transmuted into political, economic, social, and religious diatribe. I may be a bit of a maverick, here. I believe there are higher powers that are in control of the events on Earth, including man and his folly. There is no way that man, with his grossly limited capabilities, can possibly be in control of his own destiny. Even the “gifted” are very few and far between, in relative numbers. If you are a true misanthropist, who see’s himself as a true representation of “God” , then I’m sure you must agree. As long as we, as the “chosen” human animal with our divinely inspired, ultra sophisticated brain, do not shit in our own back yard. I see Earthly existence and it’s modern hitch hikers, born of chaos, as the components of a vortex. Wired together as the outer and inner spheres consisting of various cultures, entities, deities, religious and spiritual convictions, philosophy, etc. It winds and swirls itself down into a singular focal point, the alpha and the omega, where it becomes the "ALL" or the "SOURCE – RA / Set / Lucifer / Satan. Humans have been given every opportunity, over eons of time, to find themselves, to find the divine spark of the truth of their existence and their creation from the very beginning. Modern man has known little to nothing but violence and aggression, since his participation in this current cycle on Earth. Why? Because he has essentially blown it up his own ass, by skidding down the paths that he currently believes to be truth and reality. We have been lost since the end of the “Age of the Gods” (The end of the World) hence, man losing his ability to govern his way to peace and stability. For example, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and all that this entails, much of what you describe here, whatever we want to call it, just for starters, as the catalyst for “end game” of the age in which we now currently exist. Everything in this cosmological dimension has a beginning, and therefore comes to an end. (Dualism) as the condition for man’s disregard for what he has been deluded into understanding as the truth. So the 64 thousand dollar question is; Where do we go from here? The answer is in the Luciferian Principle itself. If one wants to follow the modern copy cat versions of what has been forcefully and unequivocally established, not giving any credit to that establishment, then what does it matter? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The survivors will be those who can comprehend principle of Lucifer, Set, Satan. We, as the Satanic Wizards, the Black Magicians, male and female, stay behind the scenes, mesmerizing events on planet Earth, playing it like the strings of a cello. Watching the world fill itself with fools. Watching them trip all over each other, until the redeemer calls us home. Survival of the fittest in it’s highest order!

I’m sitting here in the midst of a major pizza party and poker game, so I’ll have to call it quits for this evening


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#51827 - 03/27/11 05:37 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dave Pellani]
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"I believe there are higher powers that are in control of the events on Earth, including man and his folly."

"We have been lost since the end of the “Age of the Gods” (The end of the World) hence, man losing his ability to govern his way to peace and stability."

"For example, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and all that this entails, much of what you describe here, whatever we want to call it, just for starters, as the catalyst for “end game” of the age in which we now currently exist"

"Watching them trip all over each other, until the redeemer calls us home."


I read the things you say, and the things you write between the lines, I honestly do wonder about you and your agenda.

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#51991 - 03/31/11 05:29 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Morgan]
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The survivors will be those who can comprehend principle of Lucifer, Set, Satan.


When the divine is believed to be Self-affirmative, Self-existing, enduring and substantial, the divine becomes authoritative, commanding and intolerant. On the other hand, when the divine is believed to be Self-negating, relational and non-substantial, the divine becomes compassionate, all-loving and tolerant. I think that the monotheistic religions preach the love of 'their' God while emphasizing the Absolute Oneness of 'their' God. If the believers of the right-hand-path religions place more emphasis on the Self-negating, non-substantial aspect of 'their' God than on 'their' God's Self-affirmative aspect; the monotheistic religions would experience a paradigm shift to Absolute "Zero". Making this distinction forces one to think beyond even "Zero" while maintaining their faith in One Absolute God. (They may overcome conflicts with disparate religions.) If the right-hand-path religions would change, then a person is left looking at the wisdom aspect of 'their' God rather than the justice facet.

Satanism takes on the reification phenomena of these religions. If one thinks that things fail to exist or exist absolutely, Satanism sees that one will be unable to attain peace of Mind. The reification process subjects a person to egoism: the overvaluing of oneself, one's achievements and of material things. Therefore, one will not appreciate the possibility of change of particular Forms of oneself and of one's possessions.

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#52020 - 04/01/11 02:24 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Currently I see the greatest threat to non-muslims in the “West” as something along these lines -- individual muslims who go on shooting sprees using islam as their excuse for personal, failure-driven death wishes, and islamic sociopolitical demonstrators who overload on zealotry, and fueled by crowd dynamics, start rampaging in brief, tightly focused incidents.

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#52106 - 04/02/11 08:24 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: paolo sette]
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Satanism takes on the reification phenomena of these religions. If one thinks that things fail to exist or exist absolutely, Satanism sees that one will be unable to attain peace of Mind.

I think the nature of this part of your comment, Paolo, if I am understanding it correctly, relates more to non absolutes in terms of material existence, and the peace of mind that supposedly comes from that reality. When you use terms such as "things", I have to come to that conclusion, ie; not "metaphysical things" As far as reification, I believe that each human comes to his or her own perception of the divine, and the chips fall where they may for that particular individual. Although the material existence will collectively come to an end game sooner or later, and that is the reason for my own belief in Theistic Satanism as a vehicle to ultimately deal with that issue.
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#52125 - 04/03/11 06:57 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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It's all male insecurity.
It is natural to smash a man's head on a rock if you see him hurting a female, even the most basic caveman has this impulse. So we being civilised ought to recognise that it is not natural to make women sad and make our societies intelligent around principles like this.


Well said sir, If have personally witnessed this in my own life. My father would come home drunk or high, sometimes both and beat my mother half to death. I also agree that Arabic women are very beautiful. It is very sad that this male insecurity exists not just in Islam but here as well. To me men like that rank down in depths of the respect I'd give to a pedophile, which is none. To me they are the weakest kind of man. If I ever catch something like that happen I will break his hands.

By the way my real father is still alive because the shotgun I got from my grandfathers closet was unloaded. I was nine years old when it happened

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#52139 - 04/03/11 05:54 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: LucyFur]
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I'm entertained by the fact that many xtians have been attempting to make it seem like the two faiths are so vastly different when in reality they're practically the same religion. Personally I'm quite concerned with the growing feeling/climate in America which is geared toward alienating muslims just as much as I a worried to see islamic extremism continue to exist in the middle east. Intolerance is a threat to all of the rational people of the world.
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#52140 - 04/03/11 05:54 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: LucyFur]
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I'm entertained by the fact that many xtians have been attempting to make it seem like the two faiths are so vastly different when in reality they're practically the same religion. Personally I'm quite concerned with the growing feeling/climate in America which is geared toward alienating muslims just as much as I a worried to see islamic extremism continue to exist in the middle east. Intolerance is a threat to all of the rational people of the world.
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#52145 - 04/03/11 08:34 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Meph9]
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To be realistic, the whole religious war thing is tragic as I love children and women just as much as any man would, and thus only incommunicable religiously indoctrinated persons have no place in my compassion, as those who will not help themselves and be respectful of others ways of life and attempt respectable communications nor even attempt to understand others ways of life, they are then to be recognised as "incommunicable", "unsalvageable".

I acknowledge this and respect the insanity of religious persons and treat them like unstable mental patients or badly beaten timid animals, they have the same sunken and twitchy eyes, so I'll slow and deliberate communication without imposing threat, wouldn't want to set them off and then have to put them down. What I do not respect is soldiers who kill Islamic people, if troops were killing my family and friends I'd be inclined to exact revenge as well. Why? Because men killing women and children no matter what race, creed or religion they are, inspires my propensity to avenge and destroy such men no matter what side they fight for, it's just one of those things you know. I would personally fire a nuclear missile into the centre of where they are fighting as a warning to both sides to fuck off and respect each others ways of life. The miles of charred black skeletal remains, a peaceful plane of blackened bones, would be a monumental reminder to respect other cultures privacy.

Islamic people do not blow themselves up for no reason, they have aliens treading all over their land, which is the sacred Sumeria. No matter what culture is being destroyed, I shake my head in disgust. I see the whole thing in a dispassionate way because people that will not help themselves can only pull you under to their level.
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#52172 - 04/04/11 11:49 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Please tell you were drinking when you wrote this.

There is no evidence to support the idea that Baphomet is a pagan diety. Now is this idol based on the various horned and mystic gods from different cultures and time periods? Yes, but islam ad muhammed have had nothing to do with it.

Having read Genesis I at no point came upon the word "allah".

If one examines the history of the Crusades and the "Knights" Templar it becomes clear that the church had little to no evidence to prove that the Templars were really heathens. It is more likely that the church and the kings of europe conspired against them because several of europe's royal owed them quite a bit of money.

To address your later posting it seems as if you're attempting to declare these "islamics" blameless for their actions. No one from America has invaded their territory. I think that it comes down to fundemental beliefs expressed by both religions, xtianity and islam, which despite what many of their respective followers claim and think calls for violent confrontation with the world at large. That the dualist white/black theology means that the two sides have to fight, that there has to be a war between the "good" and the "evil".

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#52196 - 04/04/11 06:40 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Meph9]
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As far as reification, I believe that each human comes to his or her own perception of the divine, and the chips fall where they may for that particular individual.


If this life, the next life and the transition in between the two truly existed, then there would be an individual sentient Being who would appropriate a set of aggregates of the Self in this life. Then that Being will leave the set behind, and appropriate another set of aggregates of the Self at the start of the next life. In between the two, there would just be the personified Self and the Appropriator and the aggregates to appropriate.

The sentient Being would not have any aggregates of the Self at that point.

That would be illogical because there would be nothing to call a sentient Being: if there were no set of aggregates to compose that sentient Being--there would be no body and no Mind. The sentient Being is defined as One who appropriates the aggregates of the Self, so how could that Appropriator exist without any aggregates of the Self to appropriate?

For example, take the situation of being a human in this life and a God in the next life. In between dying as a human being and giving up that set of aggregates called the Self and then being born as a God with a new set, there would be an empty gap. Then the question is during that empty gap: what is it going around in the emptiness? It would be illogical to posit anything because there would be nothing there. The whole notion of emptiness as an uninterrupted continuum would be inapplicable if particular things actually transpired in that way.

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#52233 - 04/05/11 08:48 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: paolo sette]
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I will submit that esoteric Buddhism is much safer than Islamic fundamentalism, for sure. Gheez, the Buddhas won't even kill a fucking mosquito!

Paolo, I understand your reasoning here, but you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Assumming we look at everything in and about our existence through the prism of logic, then what you say is plausable. I tend to think that metaphysics goes beyond the boundaries of logic, just as logic would be useless in identifying "emptiness", although, on the qauntam level, there are scientists who are warming up to that reality, in terms of the lowest common denominator of energy paralleling what the Eastern mystics call the "void" or all pervading light. Now, there was a time in my life when I bought into that sort of thing, until I realized that the universe is NOT made up of all pervading light, or light energy, but mostly dark matter and dark energy. (Luciferian Principle) You know, that stuff the Christos, neo Islamists, New Agers and other superstitionados live in fear and disdain of. However, one man's trash, is another man's treasure!

To get to the matter of the connection from the self to the Sentient Being, It's like, "Nothing from nothing is nothing"
I don't see anything written in stone that says there has to be a connection throughout the process of regeneration in this transition of earth life, which is required to be intelligable and enlightened. ie: The Luciferian Principle, and not enlightenment as defined by other philosophies. The mind is simply the catalyst, and not as an aggregate.

You see it in terms of reincarnation, and I don't see regeneration or transmutation of life in that context. Not to say reincarnation does not exist, it's just that I don't believe it exists in the way the Eastern fanatics view it as indisputable. For example, I would ask them point blank, "Do you know any piss ants or billy goats, out there"?

I think this is all just your logical mind speaking to you, which has it's own set of limitations. It may be my delusional mind speaking to me, but I am quite comfortable with it.

In his psychological commentary to the Bardo Thodol, Carl Jung:

The background of this unusual book is not the niggardly European "either – or", but a magnificently affirmative "both – and ". This statement may appear objectionable to the Western philosopher, for the West loves clarity and unambiguity; consequently one philosopher clings to the position, ‘God is’, while another clings equally fervently to the negation, ‘God is not.’ What would these hostile brethren make of the following?:

‘Recognizing the void ness of thine own intellect to the Buddhahood, and knowing it at the same time to be thine own consciousness, thou shall abide in the state of the divine mind of the Buddha’.

Jung goes on:

Such an assertion is, I fear, as unwelcome to our Western philosophy as it is to our theology. The Bardo Thodol is in the highest degree psychological in it’s outlook; but with us, philosophy and theology are still in the mediaeval, pre psychological stage where only the assertions are listened to, explained, defended, criticized and disputed, while the authority that makes them has, by general consent, been deposed outside the scope of the discussion.

Metaphysical assertions, however, are statements of the psyche, and are therefore psychological. To the western mind, which compensates it’s well known feelings of resentment by a slave - ish regard for ‘rational’ explanations, this obvious truth seems all to obvious, or else it is seen as an inadmissible negation of metaphysical ‘truth’. Whenever the Westerner hears the word ‘psychological’, it always sounds to him like ‘only psychological’. For him the soul is something pitifully small, unworthy, personal, subjective, and a lot more besides. He therefore prefers to use the word ‘mind’ instead, though he likes to pretend at the same time that a statement which may in fact be very subjective indeed is made by the ‘mind’, naturally by the ‘Universal Mind’, or even, at a pinch, by the ‘Absolute’ itself. This rather ridiculous presumption is probably a compensation fro the regrettable smallness of the soul. It almost seems as if Anatole France had uttered a truth which were valid for the whole Western world, in his Penguin Island, Catherine’Alexandrie offers this advice to God: ‘Donnez leur une ame, mais une petite’! (Give them a soul, but a little one)

It is the soul which, by the divine creative power inherent in it, makes the metaphysical assertion; it posits the distinctions between metaphysical entities. Not only is it the condition of all metaphysical reality, it IS that reality."




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#52235 - 04/05/11 10:21 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Meph9]
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I think if you read the "Qur,an, Koran" or whatever you want to call it, you will see alot of incoherent gooblety gook. It does indeed advocate violence against non believers. It's no different than the Bible in that respect, which also advocates violence and aggression. Look, I didn't get to this conclusion just because of this discussion. I have been out there for at least 15 years telling people that there is nothing more dangerous than a deranged, suicidal, religious zealot, motivated by monetary greed and politics (Islamic Fundamentalist) And the problem is, if they are in your vicinity, which is always a possibility, you would never know it until something happens. I deal with ports of entry and Homeland Security every single week, and I can see the difference in the fear, paranoia, mistrust, and disruption they have caused in this country, especially since the attack in New York in 2001. We are literally being held hostage to it every single day. And I'm not fucking happy about it, either.

In World War ll you had the Kamakazi. Even the Russians, Chinese, Germans, and Italians weren't that fucking crazy. There is something uniquely advantageous to being a suicidal troglodite. That's why they prefer not to show up on the battle field, I mean, why do that when you can wreak havoc by causing terror, fear and treachery amongst women and children, when you know that at least some of your half assed opposition intelligentsia is obsessed with the brain dead ACLU, and so called "International Law", that self imposes restrictions and limitations, and does not in the least hold the mindless barbarian robot accountable to modern rules of engagement.


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#52237 - 04/05/11 11:07 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Meph9]
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In reply top your accusation that I was drunk. No. I do not drink alcohol or abuse any substance, I'm a bodybuilder and only drink yukky protein shakes.


Ask. Is Allah only for Islam and Muslims?

No. It is for all three Abrahamic faiths. Why? Because they are monotheism. In the Noble Quran, the deviations i.e. Christians and Jews will not be placed on the same level with the Muslim believers.

Allah means "The only one to be worshipped" coming from the Arabic word "elah" a god or something worshipped.

Go to any hotel and look in the drawer next to the bed and take out the Bible, then look on the page near the beginning where they list the examples of translations they have made into other languages. On page one of Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word Allah seventeen times.

Religious scriptures have as many interpretations as there are men who may read them, create them re interpret them, and so on. Which is the correct interpretation? None. Once the Key of Knowledge is understood, the only correct interpretation is the Key of Knowledge which turns in the self. Those who attempt to interpret scriptures, if it written, or taught by man, then this is not Gnosis for they worship the demiurge in selective thinking and wishful hearing.

Yahweh, Jehovah, or Allah are all the same death worship ideals. The monotheist worships death in a wishful thinking way because life as we know it is put as secondary below the afterlife belief. This desensitised them to the ordeals of life and creates a sense of security and detachment that these people need to blind them from the cold hard reality of stark mundanity. I feel that what separates us is an absurd ability to bloat subjecture in the mind and fool ourselves that we are superior in ways to one another and the animals.

The consciousness shall become as clear as a pain of glass between the Death of self and the Death of the universe. This may sound spiritual but such is not the case — this is death worship without afterlife fantasy; the defiance which receives nothing but Death, the stimulation from ever present Death while alive. To always see Death, to realise time is passing rapidly and to act now with deliberation while one still can. To look away from the light one will only see shadow, we have the power to look into the light of creation and know there is darkness there and know what is unseen is eternal. To know that one cannot know the nothing and to know the scythe smites all — the 'spiritual,' 'psychic,' and 'material', and all the Atheists and those who denounce the existence of God by virtue of their limited perception and understanding worship the demiurgic creation of hylic light in oblivious subservience — all will be consumed by the one true god who is Death which bloom earthly natural and daemonic.or that which is known as "Entropy" the dissolving impulse, of Satan — The 2nd thermodynamic laws of the universe are governed by the laws of entropy. With entropy comes annihilation and death. With Satan comes the death of mankind and this world. The real question is how to ensure the impossibility of re-birth.

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#52242 - 04/06/11 12:54 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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islam? no, they threaten nobody. it is not the islamic faith that is dangerous to anyone. however the radicals are the posing danger. though not to me due to my location on this dying earth but i can see how some feel threatened. however i feel violence has been around for ages. if someone endangers you, you either fight back and turn them away or face their wrath. this world isnt pretty and sometimes you are just in the wrong spot at the wrong time. fate plays a part in it and whatever happens was ment to be. whether it be your victory or death
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#52245 - 04/06/11 02:08 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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And this has what do with what we were discussing? Honestly I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here.

Do keep in mind that just because one might worship only one god(monotheism) does not mean you are a xtian, muslim or jew.

In terms of the word "allah" it is clear that you are reffering to the modern translation as opposed to its potential ancient origins. Much like the names the jews originally used to refer to their disctictive god, "allah", is thought to be the name of a pre-islamic, and possibly pre-xtian, bedouin moon god. Champions of this idea believe that the origin of the islamic faith's symbol(crescent and star) is because of this.

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#52257 - 04/06/11 04:25 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Meph9]
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In this we see how people are the victims of their own beliefs. As I have already posted on ancient origins of the lunar deity there is no need to exclaim that I point to only modernised views as I have quoted scholarly evidence that people worshiped a pre-Islamic lunar deity. Consider the extent to which you are the victim of your own beliefs, and consider that you the ability to change them.

The word Allah is the description of the One God to submit to which is monotheism and is the same for Jews, Christians and Muslims and any other monotheist as One God is One God and any superficial abstraction of words is only that. The view of perfection and worship of this perfection in complere obligatory submission to the doctrine is monotheism, it is for submissive types with many superficial attributes depending on what culture the pathos pervades.

Quran describes that Allah is not a moon god: And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. ~ Noble Quran

The crescent moon marks ramadan and Islam follows a lunar calendar signs to mark fixed periods of time and for their pilgrimage.


Allah will only accept true submission, obedience in purity and peace to His commandments. To believe in the One God and follow His Commandments has been the message of all prophets of monotheism. If you do not then there is a bestial beheading for you and this will be your hell to taste the severest torment and die this derading way. Monotheists enact that famous scene from the Godfather "I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse" by "offering" that the One God does not force anyone to submit to Him. He has laid out a clear path and then made it known to them the two ways. The person is always free to make his or her own choice and the One God allows sickness, disease, death and oppression so all humans can all be tested in what we do. If there is a lack of more suitable infidels even the people think that they will be left alone because they say "We believe in God," will be tested and rooted out as some kind of imposter because perfection does not exist and so they shall they meet a bestial inefficient beheading for the appeasement of holy torturer's.

Islam reminds me of the Inquisition but with a total lack of aesthetic..

I study the human species and their ignominious decline into absurdity. I have no problem with Islam, it's quite entertaining. There are those of us who simply mind our own business and keep to ourselves yet when we see the parasitic nature of religious people we only see germs and viruses we feel naturally inclined to expel from our lives.
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#52315 - 04/06/11 06:46 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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Jung goes on:

Such an assertion is, I fear, as unwelcome to our Western philosophy as it is to our theology.


Psychoanalysis denies religion in certain ways. Carl Jung who developed many of Freud's essential doctrines in his own manner observed the existence of a collective unconscious which all individuals share at the deepest level of human Mind. This collective unconscious is beyond the individual unconscious and is the place where everything that composes the psyche is rooted. According to Jung, religion comes from and goes back to this collective unconscious. Jung gave a depth-psychological foundation to Western religion.

Nevertheless, there is an important element lacking thoroughout his writings. Jung does not seem to realize the need for a "spiritual Death". Because Jung overlooked the possibility of a "spiritual Death", it must be said that his understanding of religion did not reach full realization of the essential character of the religious Mind. In Jung, authentic religious consciousness is replaced by the collective unconscious.

Today, various psychotherapy methods of treatment based on Jung's theory are being applied to many patients. In the United States, those who have mental illness go to psychotherapy instead of seeing a minister. Churches are attempting to incorporate psychotherapeutic theory and practice into their programs through formal training in Pastoral Counseling.

This phenomena serves to undermine the genuine religious basis of all the religions if it overlooks the need for "spiritual Death". Eastern religions see and know "spiritual Death".

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#52566 - 04/09/11 04:46 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: LucyFur]
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Personally, I don't see I slam as a threat. As long as the Islamic people keep there faith to themselves, it's no problem for me. I could understand why some people in heavier Muslim populated areas might be worried, but unless they are a fanatic organization, I really see no problem. Websites such as http://islamlies.com accuse Muslims of being Satanists. This I find highly offensive, also I find Islam extremists often will kill themselves for "god". This is obsessive, although unless it poses a threat to me or people I love, I see no problem.
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#52587 - 04/09/11 08:22 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mightisright]
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You do realize that they bomb and blow themselves up in planes, crowded streets, and train stations. In places from Russia, Spain, England, New York, and Israel. It only takes one guy to kill many.

So, unless you live in a box and never travel it won't affect you.

It's not something to be afraid of, but something to be aware of.

So, in theory its not a threat unless you go overseas into a Muslim country and do something blatantly stupid advertising that you are a Satanist.

So its not a threat on a system wide Satanism level, only more on a personal level.

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#52594 - 04/09/11 08:56 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: paolo sette]
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There are a couple of things here that caught my attention.

Jung does not seem to realize the need for a "spiritual Death".

It is not my purpose here to try to get into a debate over psychoanalysis, but what need would an Eastern Mystic, Theistic Satanist, Islamic Nihilist, or any spiritualist for that matter, have for this so called phenomena? "Spiritual Death" to me, is an oxymoron. The death of the spirit is the death of anything metaphysical. That's like saying the "death of the soul" has a purpose.. I think Jung studied under the highest level Mahayana Tibetan Buddhists in order to propagate the unfolding of these mysteries, which, as he illustrates, are understood as "only psychological" to the clouded Western mind.

As far as Freud's understanding of the dream state; As much as Freud's vested time and energy in analyzing the dream state, they (psychotherapists) still have no rational understanding of the dream state, other than, when you sleep, your mind is still awake. But the dream state is a critical component to linking with the metaphysical, in terms of precognition of certain events, for example, and the "samsara" of which you seem to refer to here. I know Freud is not very popular with psychics, where they exist in all varying degrees and stages of relevency and competance, but some of these people, albeit small in numbers, have real time abilities.

When it comes to mind power, or will power, it can be observed on many different levels. What facinates me the most is the mind power of the sorceror. Now, I'm not a brain surgeon, so I'm not about to try to tell anyone how to over haul an amygdala. But I find it laughable how a psychologist would attempt to define the fallacies and limitations of sorcery and metaphysics as purely "mental or psychological". There is basic will power 101, that you exercise evry day. Then there is the kind of will power that takes place on the dynamic level where one performs specific methodical ritual, and without any further thought on the effort, sees manifestation come to fruition. The interesting thing about the practice of ritual magick, is that the initiate is instructed to focus no further thought on the desired manifestation, in order to increase (I should say, insure) the chances of success. How do you explain that in psychological terms? When co incidences become so innumerable, that you can't bank on these events as happening by chance anymore.

The twisted suicidal Islamic Nihilist sociopath does not view it in this context. Instead of ritual magick, (an act of Satan), he uses more direct conventional means, like guns and explosives, annihilating little kids in school yards, in order to please his "god". If I were you, and if you are a psychologist, or psychiatrist, I would be very concerned about this type of animal.

" In the United States, those who have mental illness go to psychotherapy instead of seeing a minister. Churches are attempting to incorporate psychotherapeutic theory and practice into their programs through formal training in Pastoral Counseling. "
Not limited to Islam, it's about time that those who have created an entire culture of psychopaths do something more advanced and ingenious in order to help their troubled "flock", would'nt you say?


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#52596 - 04/09/11 09:31 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Morgan]
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That's a very good point, I was thinking about that the other day when I heard in a news report about the school killing over in Brazil by a Jehovah's Witness who "converted" to Islam. Here is the phenomena where you have no Middle Easterner in play. It was a local guy, who was a "convert". To me, that adds to the complexity and mysteriousness of this issue. And what troubles me even more, is the fact of the way the mainstream media trys to convolute these events, by rarely revealing to their audience the religious convictions of these people, who, in 98% of these incidents, are crazed Muslim Jihadists.

So, to look at all this in a "ho hum" peace and love, brother sister fashion is to portray the kind of tunnel vision many people are experiencing. The issue of travel is extremely relevant, because that is where you see all this mayhem and mismanagement of the current Homeland Security establishment, shaking down Scandanavian grandmothers and little blonde kids, while giving the Middle Easterners a free pass. It's the same kind of mentality.


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#52597 - 04/09/11 10:26 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Morgan]
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Firstly I am not defending any side except to say that I try and understand people and this is what Muslims are, people.

Would you not say that there are a considerable if not a disproportionate amount of crazy Satanist types who worship a "Satan" deity". The Satanist title is something that can be used for argument and be open about ones non Christian attitude, behind no good guy badge our deeds show that we are sound persons. Islam isn't dangerous, but extremists are extreme and do extreme things. People don't think what extreme they have endured?

A minority of Muslim persons go fanatical and do desperate acts because what has happened in their lands due to greedy and dispassionate Christians. Instead of offering education and communication there is only tension. World leaders do not come across as sincere and impassioned when making communications with the Muslim peoples. Dishonourable Christian politicians are being traitors to all people simply to gain money.

I just see that the supposedly good and nice westerners are more bad compared to the Muslims I have seen, obviously we have some Muslims who retaliate for what has been done to their people, they are angry and get strength from their belief, it's very sad because this won't happen if greedy Christians just stayed away. I can relate to this, if soldiers came into my home and harmed my family I'd make it my sole purpose to destroy them. Can't anyone see that the corrupt politicians are setting the people against one another. Most Muslim people want to get on with their lives and do Muslim stuff while tensions keep running high caused by politicians being dishonourable and no communication is being made.

Politicians are sheltered in their greedy lives, if people in the street actually speak to each other this is how communication is made. But people speaking two different languages this is very difficult.

Deeds is what defines people, not what religion or even what they say but deeds and so far politicians have painted a Christianised picture of Muslims. I have never trust a Christian in my life.


If you see a Muslim person in the street or workplace be friendly they are people. Or don't and let politicians control your minds.
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#52603 - 04/10/11 12:25 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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"Deeds is what defines people, not what religion or even what they say but deeds and so far politicians have painted a Christianised picture of Muslims. I have never trust a Christian in my life."

Yes, their books,religious leaders, tell them it is okay to stone women, kill non-believers, and get 42 virgins in the sky if they kill themselves in Allah's name.

Christians don't blow themselves up, jews don't blow themselves up, only muslims do.

So, you keep your happy friendly attitude towards muslims. I will continue to be aware and trust no one. Everyone is equally stupid.

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#52604 - 04/10/11 12:26 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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While I agree with points to a degree, I none the less find your reasoning... entertaining. You have to rememmber is no "mulsim people", there are Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, African etc. They are no more united in the middle east based on their religious heritage than say the U.S. or Europe is. Just as we are not one because of any shared theology they are also divided. The issues surrounding the formation of groups like Al Qaeda is complex and involves both western and eastern politicians. Despite the fact religion, that Islam, is used as a rallying cry for such groups is nothing but a ploy, a ploy which fools middle easterners and westerners alike.
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#52619 - 04/10/11 06:31 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Meph9]
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People are pragmatists by nature. They adopt a new faith for socio-economic improvement or utilise a religion as a instrument of politics. Any religion is a concern when it is being used as a political instrument...... However, the most powerful instrument being played against humans nowadays is their own greed and stupidity. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are just the same item repackaged...... It is for us on the LHP to be weary...... This has always been the nature of the game.....
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#52681 - 04/11/11 05:40 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dave Pellani]
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"Spiritual Death" to me, is an oxymoron. The death of the spirit is the death of anything metaphysical. That's like saying the "death of the soul" has a purpose..


The realization of "spiritual Death" has a double connotation: negative and positive. On the one hand, "spiritual Death" is negative in that it entails antinomic oneness of Life as the greatest suffering--the most serious problem that must be solved. On the other hand, "spiritual Death" is positive in that it entails the resolution to the problem of suffering and the realization of Great Life. This double connotation and the shift from the negative to the positive are possible because "spiritual Death" is a total, holistic and existential realization of the endlessness of Life in which one becomes identical with "spiritual Death", and thereby overcomes the endlessness of Life.

This is simply another expression of for the realization of Absolute Nothingness (the Great Zero) which is similar to Emptiness which is none other than Life itself.

I am primarily concerned with the salvation or damnation of human beings as people who have Self-consciousness and free Will, and thereby alone have the potential to become aware of and emancipated from the transiency common to all things in the universe. This is the significance of my cosmological aspect. The more cosmological the basis of salvation or damnation, the more existentially thoroughgoin the salvation or damnation.

One of my many, many and many facets may be called "cosmopersonalism".

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#52789 - 04/12/11 11:29 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Morgan]
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Ha Ha, now we're getting somewhere, Between the genital mutilation of women, the utter repression of women compared to something out of the twilight zone, extreme disparity of class ineqality and deprivation of basic human rights and freedom of thought and expression,, not to mention religious mundane nihism. As Satanists, when we compare Jews, Muslims, and Christians, there are a relative amount of similarities in their philosophical folly. It is not our mission to rationalize the so called "good" that comes out of all this, because you can best believe, that NONE of them see the "good" in you either. To think so is living in complete delusion. I mean, what the fuck is being defended here? I don't have to live with them, so I don't give a fuck about their bogus, twisted greivances.

It's time to realize that a grave mistake was made in the permissiveness of their mass migration around the planet. What would you be subjected to if you migrated to their turf?? Yes. they do indeed need to be handled with kid gloves. They do indeed need to be held hostage to a different set of standards, as long as it is their blood brothers who have infiltrated the free world, violating and manipulating the trust that we gave them, while comitting themselves to creating chaos and annihilating their opposition, regardless of what ratio or proportion you want to use to assess them. Fuck international law, you fight fire with fire. If it's chaos they want, they had better be careful what they wish for.

How will you ever know if you can trust them, or which ones you can trust? You would think they would kiss the ground we walk on, but instead they walk around with a chip on their shoulder and being in denial of western culture, based on their sorry ass medeival religious philosphy. If they don't want to be singled out, why don't they join in the fight against the so called miscreants and trouble makers? Because they really don't five a fuck, while they're getting their preferential treatment and free ride from us!

I say, drop the fucking burkas, and get out the Brazilian Bikinis. Oil up your buns, and have some fun in the sun! Let's see what these beautiful Arab women are made of! I think they would have alot more fun with us Satanists, if, for Allah's sake, they could only get over their stupid fears and superstitions. When they are on our turf, they play by our decadent rules.......It's that simple!



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#52790 - 04/12/11 11:50 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: paolo sette]
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OK Paolo, all well and good. It's clear you have an affinity to Buddhism. I have also been one to realize that there is something to be learned from the Mahayana Buddhist. And some things to be avoided. But in the final analysis, you are preaching to the wrong choir, here!

It was not my intention, upon entering this thread, to get into a debate about theism. Having said that, what is your view on the subject matter of Islam being a threat to Satanism??? I don't know if I even want to know......
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#52791 - 04/13/11 12:08 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Hegesias]
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I just see that the supposedly good and nice westerners are more bad compared to the Muslims I have seen, obviously we have some Muslims who retaliate for what has been done to their people, they are angry and get strength from their belief, it's very sad because this won't happen if greedy Christians just stayed away.

Hegesias, It's not like you to create a parody of a moral defense net here. We're talking about people who have lived and died by the sword for thousands of years. What grievance do they want to pick and choose, in terms of endless revenge, in a war of internal struggle that they have not even a snow ball's chance in hell of winning? Shall we go back to the days of the Pharoahs?

You would think they would wake up and smell that Arabic coffee, but instead they have pitted themselves against themselves in their own "Bolshevik Revolution" where the internal chaos and division has no boundaries, logic, or solution for that matter, except for more chaos.

I really think that philosophically, they are a threat to the Satanic point of view, and a victim to their own religious folly. World politics notwithstanding, we in the West have always been in the position of choosing between the "lesser of the two evils" in terms of who we decide to go to bat with, in the struggle for survival and world supremacy. It has been dog eat dog.

I think, from the Satanic frame work, there is nothing to be ashamed of in that respect, and it's simply survival of the fittest. and at least, for no other reason, on philosophical grounds, where their nihilistic tendencies and religious supremacy forced upon the world, need to be curtailed in what ever way is necessary.


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#52982 - 04/15/11 09:26 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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A new survey in Britain found half of the British considered Islam to be a threat to their nation. This sort of result is likely to be repeated if surveys were made across all nations of the West.

Would you think as a Satanist that Islam would be more of a problem to you than Christianity has been?


i used to be muslim for about 18 years, and as far as i know, True Islam has nothing to do with Satanism, and the True Muslims Accept & Respect all the Other Religions.
but the Right Now Islam is Completely a JOKE! for Fake Muslims, Satanism means => Devil Worshiping => Free-Mason => Killing People => Rap, Rock and Metal Music => Metalica! LMFAO!!! and Also for muslims Satanist are "Najes" means Dirty, so if you shake hands with them you must wash your hands! so i dont think untill they're busy with their Jihad thing, there will be any threat for us!
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#53005 - 04/15/11 05:12 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Lil Rag]
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I study the ignominy of the human species and conflicts which are utterly unnecessary and absurd, I come to the conclusion that the need to be different among egoists is always pointing to the need to be idyllic and therefore we are all different fuck ups which aimed for the same thing but built defences against our own kind who were also aiming for the same thing but fucked up just like us but faltered in different ways.

What is the need to attain knowledge if it is not to attain understanding of self, and what is the understanding of self if it is not to understand others, to know oneself is to study oneself in interactions with others. We are individuals only due to all having different limitations of understanding, if we all weren't afraid of one another we'd all realise we aren't much different, but egoists can't hack it and have to exaggerate their differences as making them special and unique. The ego shines a light which overshadows the unmanifest aspects of self, hides propensity and development which remain in the shadow cast by the ego, although working in the background many can't look at these under developed aspects of ourselves because we feel secure with what we think we "know" is strong. Another example of how humans are the victims of our own beliefs.

I think that Satanism tries to take on the heart felt passions of man. As religious metaphor can be so contradictory insofar as what ought to be shown as the meaning of god be the compassion in all men, then why the twisted metaphor which really ought to be a few lines about the importance of communication in full knowing that man really wants to get along? There seems to be the assumption that "paths" are to be built in complexity toward attaining understanding when understanding is in us by default, the way back through all abstract barriers we have built toward our own kind seems more logical. Yet we fear ourselves and seek to understand the best ways of surviving the inevitable misunderstandings around us.

Maybe due to never being able to hunt animals like in the olden days, like we are designed to do, I often feel on the verge of violence yet without hatred and without reason. Modern man has does not hunt large animals and so he turns on himself due to lack of aggression outlet?

No matter how brave or ruthless you are, no matter how effortlessly you can break people, no matter how dispassionate, cold and impervious to danger and pain, what is the reward for this but irony, to live in the light of horror which is the world and laugh at the tragedy which is that man cannot communicate and do well unto one another because he is afraid of being harmed himself, no matter how tough you are, no matter how many men you can take out alone etc. you are still just reacting to the inexorable lack of communication and underdeveloped empathy of others.

Fight for survival among our own species is unnecessary but inexorable, among man he can rationalise, yet through this ability to rationalise man has come to the conclusion that he can "force" others to "be compassionate" because "his way" is the safest and most ideal way to make everyone "get along" and all those who do not agree must therefore be seen as a risk of instability which might "back stab" so force is used in the form of organised "religion". Thing is the reason and compelling motivation for writing holy books was "compassion". Compassion is in the heart of every man and need not be indoctrinated, as soon as force is used compassion is not being felt and therefore the whole value of the religion is devalued by itself. Some say that Jesus is the compassion in all men, some say God, or Allah, some say Satan is the heart of man, we have is misunderstanding of one another and it's unnecessary, the guy who tries hardest to communicate is the silent listener. The guy going round dictating and shouting the word of god is not compassionate at all but wants to be, people need to shut the fuck up and listen to one another and communicate and realise that really we can work through disagreements, that conflict is necessary and also something to overcome.

This may be completely oppositional to my lifestyle because I am misanthropic and trust nobody, yet still, I show good manners to all and only when all attempts to communicate have failed will I reluctantly decide that my enemy has to be shut down, to be misanthropic does not necessarily mean I hate man but that I hate what he is doing. I mind my own business and harm nobody unless somebody is a threat, which seems to be all too often, so if any religion wants to impose deprivations on my already minimal life where I have only my fitness and artistry tools to my name you can bet I'll see that as incommunicable and dispassionate and threatening and so I'll retaliate simply out of necessity like any wild animal would.

Paradoxically, violence is often nothing but a sorrowful yet inescapable consequence stemming from an unnecessary conflict between one man who is minding his own business yet meets the conflict with an attempt of understanding, attempting communication whilst the one imposing on him is adamant to impose threat, being incommunicable, and hence the passionate hater digs his own grave whilst his murderer bows his head in disappointment.

Who gives a fuck what Gods name is, isn't the message of all religions "compassion", isn't Jesus the compassion in the hearts of all men, isn't this the same for all prophets? At what point does one become like me idealising natural selection? Inexorable, my survival overrides everything secondary out of necessity.

If religions can't be compassionate then Satan will do his job and be dispassionate. Nature is unforgiving, yet animals treat their "own kind" with a more compassion, affection and empathy than most humans do, how embarrassing for mankind who thinks his skin colours and different cultures denote a different species.


Think about this bottom line.

"If one loves, one need not have an ideology of love" ~ Bruce Lee
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#53050 - 04/16/11 06:49 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Lil Rag]
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An interesting point from one who has been there. I see the American perspective not much differently than the Middle Eastern, in the long run.

There is, without question, a change in attitude pertaining to American Muslims, particularly in the past 25 years or so. This is a conclusion I have come to in my own observation and sentiment that, even I admittedly once had, for Islam as preached within the Western paradigm.

They used to be a very peace loving bunch, to make a long story short, as I can attest to that from following their American religious culture, particularly through music. But something has changed, and it has changed radically -- There is an obvious overtone of bitterness, revenge, negativity, and the threat of violence comming from some of their domestic ranks. They are being radicalized by the Imams in the Middle East, and it is becomming more prevalent. And, the sequences of violence committed overseas is all too obvious, especially in the last 25 years or so.

But if you go back even 50 years or more, what you will see is a shocking saga of war, revolt, and violence that boggles the imagination, involving the death of 100 million people, including their own. Just in the seperatist movements of Packistan to India alone, millions of Hindus and Muslims died, just in the name of establishing an Islamic state. Not to mention the wars conducted against their own tribes in Iraq and Iran, and the Iraqui campaigns of violence and genocide against neighboring Arab populations accross all of their borders, in all directions.

Then there is the violence in Africa, which continues to this day. So, where they come off with all these transgressions they accuse us of is a mystery to me. And obviously, it has changed my attitude toward them, big time, with nothing in hind sight.

There has been a curious pattern of violence, self destruction, and natural disasters toward them, and not military either. From the tsunami in Indonesia, in 2004, wiping out 250,000 people, and the same with the floods in Pakistan just recently. Now, there is a lethal revolution going on in the Middle East, and no one can predict how this is all going to play.......that is, unless you're a learned Satanist.

But what occurs to me from all this is that if they think they are in some god's favor, I can't even imagine what that could be. Except to have their connections with the West, where they
are hell bent on biting the hand that feeds them. It certainly looks like just the opposite to me, where they have been bearing the brunt of all the chaos in the world, natural and man made, as we speak.
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#53070 - 04/17/11 10:57 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dave Pellani]
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I don't think the argument them thinking they are in god's favor is something which can be held against them since we (as the liberated rational West) are not too different. We believe we are the next step in human progress and that the main difference between them and us, is purely of an “intellectual”” nature. We embrace certain ideas which, in our perspective, makes us better, or more human, while they, evidently, are still a couple of steps behind.

We had our Dark Age of religion years ago and they are stuck in that very period on their evolutionary path. This is us deluding ourselves history is some sort of linear process where everything improves and leads toward similar developments or improvements. This idea is not different from being in god's favor.

I rather look at history as being cyclical and in that, move from highs into lows, from advancement into degeneration. A long steep period of improvement can easily be followed by a sudden collapse.

What we see happen with the Muslims is something of all times, Will to Power manifesting for the sole purpose that is what it does. It is like gravity, not being concerned if its influence leads anything under it to something rewarding or its demise.

Any ideology of any kind is merely a reason provided to excuse this inherent and uncontrollable drive.

It is as “dangerous” to Satanism as the next expression of it. In the end, it is a force we should fully embrace, knowing very well, sooner or later, it will devour us too.

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#76276 - 05/04/13 10:11 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Diavolo]
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Well, at least they didn't conflate it with specific movements this time. To be brief: If Islam proper is a "threat" to Satanism, they'd better just call it a day on Satanism.
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#76346 - 05/14/13 03:38 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Le Deluge]
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As much as I fear that Islam will cause real problems to Xtians and their religion, I don't think it's seriously going to take over all Europe or the whole world. Satanism (and free thinking in general) cannot be threatened by any religious order. People have a need to rebel and if Islam carries on its aggressive policy it will sooner or later be overthrown by its own believers - just like Christianity is dying out here in Europe.

And whether people around me worship their gods in mosques or churches really doesn't matter to me as long as they don't force me to take part in it.
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#76351 - 05/14/13 09:55 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Tissaia]
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The thing that alarms me is Muhammad sought to improve on the teaching of Jeses Christ. Then the holy wars started. If Islam grows,who is to say they will not try the samething with us. I believe them to be a threat.
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#76457 - 05/19/13 05:49 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Radical or theocratic institutionalized Islam can be a threat to not only "Satanism" in its forms, but occultism and paganism in general. Looking at the news of brutal punishments and even death sentences for "sorcery" or other occult acts, some such Islamic majority nations also forbid divination services for money (Chechnya one example). Fundamentalist Christianity can be an irritation on many occultists too. Conservative Judaism or Orthodox branches also can make occultists feel way. Some nations have put out legislation and new laws against Sharia being institutionalized.
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#76470 - 05/19/13 01:29 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: prodigalsun]
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Radical or theocratic institutionalized Islam can be a threat to not only "Satanism" in its forms, but occultism and paganism in general. Looking at the news of brutal punishments and even death sentences for "sorcery" or other occult acts, some such Islamic majority nations also forbid divination services for money (Chechnya one example). Fundamentalist Christianity can be an irritation on many occultists too. Conservative Judaism or Orthodox branches also can make occultists feel way. Some nations have put out legislation and new laws against Sharia being institutionalized.


"Islamism" or radical islam could be considered a threat to western civilization as a whole. They don't even discriminate in terms of religion. They'll just blow folks up. The Chechens are fucking stupid. Putin now has a green light to obliterate them. Even if those kids in Boston weren't directly related to the Chechen "cause", he'll use it to his advantage.
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#76503 - 05/20/13 08:56 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
A new survey in Britain found half of the British considered Islam to be a threat to their nation. This sort of result is likely to be repeated if surveys were made across all nations of the West.

Would you think as a Satanist that Islam would be more of a problem to you than Christianity has been?


No, I'd say other Americans are more of a 'threat' when using Islam as leverage in Socio-Politico (demanding more legislation for 'safety & security' vs. Liberty), than any foreign perceived threat.

Religion isn't a problem for me, ignorance and stupidity is.

As a 'Satanist' there will be a lot of assumptions made on my behalf, it kind of comes with the territory. I don't have issues with Christians or Muslims for that matter.

I have quite a few associates in my social circle that are both, we get along just fine. I think Americans are plagued with Xenophobia, and a lot of it is programming. I chalk it up to viewing the world through Nero's Lens.
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#76534 - 05/21/13 01:19 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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[quote=mabon2010]

I have quite a few associates in my social circle that are both, we get along just fine.




Do your Muslim friends know you are a Satanist? Have you actually told them "I am a Satanist"?

Yes, there are American "Muslims" who are reasonable and easy to get along with. That is because they are Americans who are largely acculturated to American society. Muslims in the Islamic world are actual Muslims who practice Islam as a function of their daily life and promote a retrograde Islamic society.
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#76537 - 05/21/13 01:45 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Fist]
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man, that sucked. My entire post went poof!

Short-version

Yes, they know.
I loosely-dated an Imam for about a year or so.
Some are American-born, some are here on an education Visa.

Culturally speaking, there would be a difference between how its practiced in the Middle East, vs. here. A lot of that programming starts in childhood.

I see you are in the Army, I know my fair share of folks that have been deployed and show a disdain for the culture in general.
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#76568 - 05/22/13 12:06 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Yes, they know.
I loosely-dated an Imam for about a year or so.



Most men are willing to overlook most anything for sex. This is doubly so for Muslim men - especially when you consider that most Muslim men have their first sexual experience under duress with their older cousin.

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Culturally speaking, there would be a difference between how its practiced in the Middle East, vs. here. A lot of that programming starts in childhood.


Are you somehow apologizing for Islam? Most liberal minded Americans like to think of Islam as some quaint exotic religion practiced in an exotic far away place by poor people who really are too cute, simple, and backward to really know what they are doing. To these people I say - "Go live there." And don't go live their as a tourist, or as a curious American, go live there amongst the people. Immerse yourself in the culture. Spend a year there.


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I see you are in the Army, I know my fair share of folks that have been deployed and show a disdain for the culture in general.


Because among those of us who have spent years of our lives dealing with these people we see them as how they truly are. We are witness to medieval barbarism and degeneracy that is part and parcel to the retrograde culture of Islam. Rape and domestic abuse is a cultural value in the Middle East. The region is not a basket case because of some Jewish conspiracy, Bush, US foreign policy, Colonialism or some other such cop out. The region is mess because it is a direct reflection of the people who live there.
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#76569 - 05/22/13 12:29 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Fist]
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Most men are willing to overlook most anything for sex. This is doubly so for Muslim men - especially when you consider that most Muslim men have their first sexual experience under duress with their older cousin.



Absolutely. The 5-percenters are pretty funny too. I'm also aware of the cultural practice of beastiality over there, fairly common but no more weird than the Americans that call it a 'Fetish'.


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Are you somehow apologizing for Islam? Most liberal minded Americans like to think of Islam as some quaint exotic religion practiced in an exotic far away place by poor people who really are too cute, simple, and backward to really know what they are doing. To these people I say - "Go live there." And don't go live their as a tourist, or as a curious American, go live there amongst the people. Immerse yourself in the culture. Spend a year there.


No? Why would I need to apologize for another culture? Perhaps this is a discussion where you and I may lock-horns so to speak. In my point of view, I think its pretty amusing how Americans regard the cultures of other peoples. It usually boils down to Ethics/Morals. I don't consider it an 'exotic' culture you see on television and go "Ooooh Ahhhh, those people are so cultured..." Anthropologically speaking, I just understand the cultural mores, most of which are influx in relation to American values.

What Americans often consider degradation, is fairly traditional. The people that live there will have to fight for their own progression just like everyone else. I don't believe in imposing American moral values onto other cultures. I also don't believe for a second that troops stationed there are fighting for my Freedom & Democracy.


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Because among those of us who have spent years of our lives dealing with these people we see them as how they truly are. We are witness to medieval barbarism and degeneracy that is part and parcel to the retrograde culture of Islam. Rape and domestic abuse is a cultural value in the Middle East. The region is not a basket case because of some Jewish conspiracy, Bush, US foreign policy, Colonialism or some other such cop out. The region is mess because it is a direct reflection of the people who live there.


Oh sure, I get that. I understand that Americans find the cultural values disgusting, barbaric, ignorant and stunted. From an outside view, I see Americans vocalizing their empathy towards the suffering of other people in other Nations, but beyond that? They just cry out for a Military Regime to go do something about it, crying out for complete strangers they will never meet or bat an eyelash at again.

Don't misunderstand, it's not a slight against Armed Forces, because believe me I understand how necessary they truly are (especially in lieu of advanced warfare) but I also think they are exploited and abused by Government (and 'We the People').
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#76574 - 05/22/13 02:11 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Culturally speaking, there would be a difference between how its practiced in the Middle East, vs. here. A lot of that programming starts in childhood.

There is a difference in attitude none the less. The difference mostly stemming from fear of the atrocities committed in the original country by the people they, sometimes indirectly, (once) supported. When immigrating they evade the extremist thinking and try to blend in the new culture BUT do not let down their support of the ideologies which led to these atrocities happening in the first place. It's like having a country where eugenics are wholeheartedly practiced and wherefrom its people flee due to prosecution, yet they still cling on to the ideas and uphold it as valuable and progressive to anyone involved. It's plain bullshit and madness.

Europe is the prime example when it concerns the clashing of cultures and the threat that is Islam. Geert Wilders, A dutch politician, addressed this issue and is on a crusade against this movement. Various studies studies on European international level also addressed the various implications and threats it poses to Western/European society. Just don't forget, when talking about muslims (be they extremist or moderate) we're talking about religious people whose belief and practices envelop subjection of the women, medieval and non-sensical practices like this, this and various other practices like these. There's many more of such cases who fail to reach the media for reasons of it having lost media-value due to the occurrences it happens (or simply remains a public secret).

The issue with, and the labeling them as, "barbaric" and "undeveloped" hasn't got much to do with understanding their mores but moreover the fact of being stuck in medieval thinking. The excuse it's because of two different cultures with a difference in nurture and henceforth the inability to understand ones other praxis falls flat by the reason both agree many of the practices are barbaric and stupid to begin with. The crux of the issue lies within conservative thinking and the " Bystander effect " which results in a standstill and unwillingness to progress/change. Tradition can always be a huge fuckup..


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#76575 - 05/22/13 02:26 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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Right, cultures clash. We all know this (or at least we all should), and discussing it usually reaps little fruit.

For example in the case of the U.S. and Europe, allowing foreigners to immigrate just enables the clash which typically leads to social conflict and its very much a part of both cultures. In essence its trading one evil for another when it comes to Economic structure and foreign trade agreements. The diplomacy is typically a mask for: "We need what you have..."

Every Nation has become co-dependent on others in some capacity creating a World Net of 'Crisis'.

Media reporting is all blah, blah, blah this opinion, that opinion and its rarely about reporting facts.

Case in point, after the Holocaust people said "Oh! If we had only known, we could have prevented it!" I call bullshit on that. People were widely informed about the genocide in Rwanda (never mind all the opposition to labeling it a holocaust) and people didn't do shit, they didn't care, because you know what? It didn't affect their pocket books, shut down their cable TV, or close Wal-mart.
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#76578 - 05/22/13 02:51 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Economical interest is mostly fueled by the consumer demands. While publicity might help (to a limited extend) to create a certain demand, the consumer will steer the economy. The arising crises have more to do with replacement of economical activity (alike agriculture) and the dwindling demands for the various products in the replaced sector which leads to a shortage. It's a sign how global marketing is actually a failure.

Immigration isn't so much the trouble but moreover the non-adaptation to the culture of the land. I can understand there's disagreement on certain issues from various stances, but it can be easily solved by refraining to indulge into such activities instead of imposing the will of a minority.


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#76579 - 05/22/13 03:09 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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Absolutely, the consumer drives the market but so too is the consumer driven by the market itself. Trends form when an Advertising/Marketing campaign has been successful. Not to mention the social trends of appropriating cultures into mainstream trending (fashion, decor, music, entertainment, etc.), even if that pisses people off.

At the root it may start with immigration, but I agree with you regarding acclimation to the new culture. It's all that Political Correctness to not impose values on to immigrants (minorities) by the majority. There always seems to be a pandering to that minority group though in the name of Freedom, Liberty and Diversity (et al.).


For example, Virginia's economy relies heavily on Tourism. Come late March, we get a rather large population of French-Canadians and so a lot of the signage around here is in French. On one hand it fosters an atmosphere that attracts that particular target audience, but on the other the Virginia Tax Payers fund it (merely one example). If the allure is the beaches, attractions, and shopping it becomes a necessity to stimulate spending from Tourists. The locals cry out "Speak English!" because they are rarely aware of the bottom-line.

This sort of thing extends out to other areas such as Religion, Law, etc.
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#76739 - 05/29/13 01:49 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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There's a difference between tourism and immigration. While I understand the case of Virginia and the french-canadian tourists, there's still a huge difference. Immigrants are to settle, tourists are to visit. In the case of the latter, changes made [alike the signing] is mostly a voluntary move made by the locals themselves.
When it comes down to immigration, those changes are mostly demands from the immigrating minority who managed to pass.

Another difference concerns benefit. The locals can benefit from the tourists when offering their services whilst the tourists themselves simply benefit from the various services available. When it comes down to immigration (and especially illegal immigration), the benefit is more one-sided as it is only the immigrant that's benefiting and especially if there's an imposition of demands because of the pandering in the name of freedom, liberty and diversity.
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#76740 - 05/29/13 04:59 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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I think the real problem here at least in america, does not really rest with the immigrants so much as the fact that we as a culture have bought into our own lies.

We like to believe we have created for ourselves a nation based on freedom and shaped by our own ingenuity. We know our nation was built for us by slaves. We like to think we somehow discoverd this land and that that discovery somehow gives us and our children a right to it. We want to forget the land was stolen .That our right to it was, is, and allways will be based upon the whole sale slaughter and rape of not just one but many many noble nations.

And what does any of this have to do with islam you ask? Well it is one thing to were a GG badge as camo, or even as part of an "honest" profesion it is quite another to take that badge and make it a part of your identity. Camo and even a job can be replaced but our identity? Our identity must be protected!

But how can we? How can we continue to swallow our own lies in front of the next stranger? The Irish man? The German? The muslim? How can this be the land of the free. but not free to you? How can we be the land of liberty, But only our liberty?

Its time for us to set the badge down. If only in our hearts.
Its time to admit if only to ourselves (Because lets face it were not fooling anyone but oursleves!)That we are not here on a mission from god. We are here because our fathers were willing to do what ever they needed to do live grow and prosper. We need to admit that this is not the land of liberty. This is the land of Satan!

So to summarize the above, I dont see Islam so much as a threat to Satanism as just one of its many, many tools.
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#76741 - 05/29/13 06:53 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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I make that distinction yes, I was addressing driving local economy. Virginia also has a small population of immigrants from various countries, but I was addressing the localized changes to accommodate them vs. having them acclimate to the State (tourists and immigrants).

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Another difference concerns benefit. The locals can benefit from the tourists when offering their services whilst the tourists themselves simply benefit from the various services available.


The U.S. economy also relies on a percentage of illegals to keep prices low. This is best demonstrated in fields of Agriculture. It's cheaper to pay illegals to pick lettuce on a farm, than it is to hire Americans. You walk into a store and think: $.69 for a head of lettuce, that's pretty cheap. Now you know why (merely one example).

The problem is, the percentages get too high when the U.S. doesn't keep a handle on it and enforce immigration policy when they find illegals here. In fact, often times they are rewarded for it in terms of Social Benefits and other tax-payer funds.
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#76742 - 05/29/13 06:57 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Rivenstar]
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I think it has more to do with the idea that the rules don't apply to everyone. An illegal isn't paying into the system they are pulling from in the same manner than legal citizens are. The entire Nation is based on immigration, it has more to do with the Economics & Socio-Politico. Identity, Rights & Liberty being part of that.
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#76756 - 05/30/13 08:42 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Humor break: These little Palestinian kids don't seem very scared of giant snakes. They even took one out for a "walk." Something tells me they could grow up to be friendly and open-minded regarding religion--if the snake doesn't eat them first or the Israeli's don't bomb them first, and they make it to adulthood.



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#76762 - 05/30/13 08:54 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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cute kids. Statistically speaking, true!
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#76764 - 05/30/13 09:06 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Yes, one of the commenters on the snake video said that Palestinian kids have a 5 times greater chance of dying in bombing than Israeli kids.

Here's a video with a guy wearing a beer shirt amidst a bunch of "snackbar" Islamic extremists. (I don't know where they are from, but it's likely that they have been shipped into Syria to overthrow the secular government there). Considering that beer was invented in Syria, this is oddly appropriate, but surprising since Muslims are forbidden to drink (even though many of them actually do).


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#76767 - 05/30/13 09:23 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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Ha, funny clip. Well I think that's a matter of viewing Islam within a vacuum.

A friend of mine was over in Iraq, the unit he was part of drove by a long-line of men that led up to a large tent. They went to investigate, and it was a tent set up to have sex with a camel, one man after the other all taking turns. The line was long, so this went on for the better part of the day in the scorching Summer heat. He eyeballed a few of the men he'd seen a few times (knowing them Muslims) so he asked one of them "Hey, doesn't your Religion frown upon this sort of thing?" The guy just kept shaking his head 'No' and smiling.


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#76770 - 05/30/13 12:37 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Sex with camels is just one of the reasons that Iranians sometimes look down upon Iraqi and Saudi Arabs. Bestiality is a Capital Offense punishable by death in Iran. http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrc/docs/ngo/NGO_submission_ELEI_Add.1.pdf

Anyway, unless one lived in a super remote rural area or was completely poor, why would one stoop to sex with animals when one can hire a "temporary wife" under the Shia interpretation of Shariah law? Sunni Muslims cannot buy temporary wives to vent their sexuality in, and sex outside of marriage is a capital offense under both Sunni and Shia Shariah law.

If bestality is allowed under Sunni Islam, but not under Shia Islam AND bestiality is allowed under Satanism, THEN one form of Islam could be seen as a threat to Satanism. But there are laws against bestiality in most developed secular countries, therefore secular laws against bestiality would be the bigger threat to Satanism if and only if Satanism condones bestiality.

Since animals are often held in high esteem by Satanists, it would seem to me that Satanists would not condone bestiality unless it could be proved beyond doubt that the sex was consensual on both the animal's and the human's part. Otherwise the bestial sex act would be rape on the part of the animal or rape on the part of the human. Ultimately then, the discussion turns to whether humans have the right to liberty and freedom from assault under Satanism.


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#76773 - 05/30/13 12:44 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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I suppose it depends on the community they are a part of. Not much different than the hypocrisy displayed by most religions. Gun sights inscribed with Biblical Scriptures and god-warriors out there killing in the name of progress. *finger twirl*

And like you said, some small group living in a remote area in the Desert isn't really going to give two-shits if other Muslims would look down on him, or kill him for having sex with an animal. Who will see it? Isn't that between himself and Allah?

It all boils down to whistle blowers. If there's no women available to him, he's poor and perhaps on in age. It is what it is, available.
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#76776 - 05/30/13 02:41 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Observations thus far:

Westerners who like Islam have never lived in the Middle East.

Westerners who have lived in the Middle East see Islam as retrograde ideology with no positive outcome.

People who have never been in the military like to make lots of assumptions about the military.

People who have never lived in the Middle East like to project their own world view onto Islam.
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#76778 - 05/30/13 03:04 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Fist]
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Westerners who like Islam have never lived in the Middle East.


Are you referring to Westerners that have converted to Islam?

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Westerners who have lived in the Middle East see Islam as retrograde ideology with no positive outcome.


How does this account for the countless Westerners that have relocated to Middle Eastern countries (whether for careers or otherwise), live there, and have essentially become part of the culture?

Even if a Westerner has that point of view, isn't it because they can not relate to the cultural values and/or ideologies held by Islamics? What about places like Myanmar, where it seems the Buddhists are the Radicals and the Muslims are in fear of their lives?

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People who have never been in the military like to make lots of assumptions about the military.


Sure, a lot of that goes on but there's also plenty to be observant of to form opinions and make judgments. Especially those that are Spouses and family members. Aren't people that serve in the Military biased anyway?

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People who have never lived in the Middle East like to project their own world view onto Islam.


Sure they do, they are only getting a second-hand account of the culture. Even if a person has been to the Middle East, how does that differ aside eye-witnessing the culture itself? Aren't visitors still projecting their own ideologies towards it and the people that live there?
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#77086 - 06/12/13 06:53 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Islam and the like extremist,,take aviewpoint into doing and using religious as a defense...This in turn lets them take out their hate for livig of war and just utter destruction to the will 0of Allah.....But that's just subjective metaphore for their need to take out they're hute over injustice and need for a plentiful economy....I've read many Qurans.. and its a book that speak to you as a son.....I understand were they're coming from......But im into the other side of things change subjects I study a lot of Egyptian books of the dead and of the books of the left hand path.....And yes I was in the military sooooo......

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#77090 - 06/13/13 05:08 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Azrael999]
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How is that any different from any person that uses 'religion' as a veil for their own underlying agenda? Some of these American Pro-Lifers can go extreme. On one hand they scream from the Roof-tops about the sanctity of life and on the other, killing an Abortion Doctor is doing the work of their mighty principals.

The American 'Jihadist' can be just as absurd, even more-so under the guise of politicking some war against women.
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#77106 - 06/13/13 02:44 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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It is worth noting that the Xrazy Xtians do not kill people at anywhere near the rate that Muslims routinely do. Honor killings, rape of women not wearing a burka, revenge killings, the usual bombings of civilian targets, the list goes on. It seems like you are trying very hard to not see the obvious problem.
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#77115 - 06/13/13 08:27 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Fist]
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Don't they though? A long history of killings in fact. Today you can reference the murder rates and never mind that over 80% of the world's serial killers are from the U.S. (check their religious persuasion). They also don't have to be crazy to kill or oppress.

Seems you are working really hard to convince me that Islam is far more threatening than any other group in human history. I'm merely pointing out cultural differences that Americans take issue with. Getting back to the original topic, Islam a threat to Satanism? You don't find that notion absurd?

As far as women go, they have to liberate themselves just as women have in their respective countries (and want to in the first place). And have a closer look at the response to FEMEN, not exactly gaining support from women in Islam. In fact, they have become Anti-FEMEN because European women can't identify with their culture. While the headlines highlight 'cases', there are still a greater number of women that protect their cultural values and don't feel oppressed by it. There's small movements forming and more women are seeking equal footing with men. It doesn't happen over night, it certainly didn't happen that way in the U.S. and we're a much younger nation. You are talking about thousands of years of culture vs. a few hundred years.

People are screaming about Islam invading the U.S. and changing the culture, how is it any different from the U.S. imposing its values onto Middle Eastern countries?

If I'm not in agreement with you it's because I see it from a different angle.
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#77120 - 06/14/13 03:44 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Today you can reference the murder rates and never mind that over 80% of the world's serial killers are from the U.S. (check their religious persuasion). They also don't have to be crazy to kill or oppress.

Hold on just a second here. It's worthwhile to know a murder is called a murder by society when it concerns an unlawful killing, or in common law as "a public wrong". Which means many acts, by our own Western standards, go unnoticed in the Middle east and North-Africa by the difference of public acceptance/good.

If Sharia law is accepted in different communities and where, for example, a woman is killed by her brother due to dishonoring the family by having slept with a "non-believer" (or even someone from outside the tribe), we're not talking murder by their own standards. If all such cases are taken into those beloved statistics, then the US will look like a very safe kindergarten with a low rate of bullies.

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Seems you are working really hard to convince me that Islam is far more threatening than any other group in human history.

Perhaps not in history but in present time it is (when it concerns marginalization of current Western society and is a step back towards middle aged thinking).


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#77121 - 06/14/13 06:43 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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The same applies in the U.S., it has standards for what constitutes murder, and a kill. By the numbers, if we include the number of people killed in military operations then that frames it in the same manner.

Which Western Nations have accepted Sharia Law into local culture?
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#77124 - 06/14/13 07:14 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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The same applies in the U.S., it has standards for what constitutes murder, and a kill. By the numbers, if we include the number of people killed in military operations then that frames it in the same manner.

I suppose the Arab spring is something that went over the head..
There's indication Islam played part as a motivator . Yet there's also the seldom media covered war between Islamists and Hindus. " click ". A religion of peace? A non-thread? I fail to belief so...
There's also small lists of current wars where Islam is involved..
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#77127 - 06/14/13 07:55 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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No, actually it didn't. And there was a time when the world focused on Russia as the enemy involved in all sorts of diabolical deeds. Recently, Korea has been rising in the public awareness. Islamic focus is telling of a genuine fear. What are you afraid of?
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#77129 - 06/14/13 08:27 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Fear is only wasted to those who don't know what they're up against or have made a wrong assessment to the nature of the thing. Back in the day, when communism was the great evil and Mother Russia the main breeding ground, there were actual plans and investigations going round. The tensions were real and diplomatic skills between the two treasured. The only thing needed to break the ice was a diplomatic incident and a slightly stronger Russian economy.

Sure there was fear-mongering at both sides. But that's just psychological warfare to you. (And I believe we have a professional concerning mindwar here).

The excuse of fear is an ignorant one to cast and moreover shows a lack of perspective and actual state of affairs.


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#77134 - 06/14/13 02:05 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3

As far as women go, they have to liberate themselves just as women have in their respective countries (and want to in the first place). And have a closer look at the response to FEMEN, not exactly gaining support from women in Islam. In fact, they have become Anti-FEMEN because European women can't identify with their culture.


Extra points for mentioning FEMEN ! I was following them a bit during the Anti-Putin protests. At this point, I think they protest just to protest. They won't gain traction in the islamic world. We'll have to start a new thread on islam proper imo. Azerbaijan / = / Al Qaeda etc.


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#77136 - 06/14/13 02:13 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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The excuse of fear is an ignorant one to cast and moreover shows a lack of perspective and actual state of affairs.


Is that so? You have perspective, the next 100 people have perspective... And what does that mean at the end of the day? The actual state of affairs appear to be in a state of fear.
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#77137 - 06/14/13 02:34 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Le Deluge]
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Last report I read, some of the women of FEMEN got 2 months in Jail. Compared to the punk Pussy Riot, all (3) got 2 years. Some women feel the hit is worth it if it reshapes cultural views. One of the women is a mother, I suppose she'll have to work that out with her child.

Islam contains radicalism, much like any religion (Christianity and Judaism among them). It doesn't mean the entire population of Muslims are radical or involved in political wars. In Myanmar the Buddhists are terrorizing the Islamics. All you have to do is pan the camera and you'll find that most of the world's oldest continuing religions have splintered, war with each other, and run amok trying to convert people to their way of life. In the U.S. those arguments are usually more visible in political arenas. It (U.S.) also has its share of radicals, cults,plenty of its own violence and an oppressive government. It makes me laugh when people point to the Middle East and cry about the poor oppressed people. Check the daily news, there's a rape and murder in American every day, the more high-profile cases just get more press. Mass Shootings, Serial Murder, Rapes, Criminal Child Abuse, etc. etc. etc. All the while the U.S. has its dirty little finger in the conflicts of other nations as leverage for Trade Agreements and Allied forces. Most people are only mildly aware of the Legislation that passes every day so that Americans can feel all safe and secure watching TERRORISM on tv, right? Never mind the volumes of it used in our own country to keep people humble little slaves.

So excuse me if I'm not chewing cud with the herd and don't believe that my freedom and democracy is being defended. I see things differently.

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#77138 - 06/14/13 02:44 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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The Pussy Riot case was a travesty. Even Medvedev and several Orthodox officials were for commuting their sentences. I don't know that I believe my freedom will ever be defended by others. There is change afoot in Russia though. Subtle. It will take years. As the economy grows there, it will become more visible.
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#77139 - 06/14/13 02:52 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Le Deluge]
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Yeah, people are still protesting on their behalf but I doubt it will have any effect in the long run. After 2 years in the clink, people will have long forgotten all about them. Madonna promoted them at her concert in Moscow and the public officials just called her a slut. Her concerts in Russia usually bring controversy anyway, the Pussy Riot support was just a cherry on top.

See also: Pussy Riot Documentary on HBO

There's changes happening all over Europe, some positive and some negative. It really depends on the country.



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#77143 - 06/14/13 05:17 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Is that so? You have perspective, the next 100 people have perspective... And what does that mean at the end of the day? The actual state of affairs appear to be in a state of fear.

If entire ghetto's are being raised where unofficially parts of Muslim law are upheld by the locals, if there's a genuine change in the landscape and public view it might just indicate something is amiss. Especially if those changes don't add up and rape and marginalize established order.

At my studentcity there's many freshmen entering university. Many liberal freethinking and multicul-orientated minds among them. The multicultural orientation usually vanishes after the first semster as they become more familiar with the city themselves and the failure that multiculturality is. As a side remark, at the University of Brussels when illegal immigrants were given shelter in the basements/garages an action to remove them from the University grounds was set up by a majority of the students as they noticed an increase of theft and decline of resources. Not to mention an increase in "disturbing activities" (noise, vandalization, trash,..).

It didn't reach media by reason many of the lecturers and personnel remained neutral due to their positions and avoid possible defemation by the media. Those who were up in arms for these immigrants were students not living on the campus themselves or people who lived miles away from it.

So yeah, you might be right about pointing to the difference in perspectives. But by experience I've learned to better be close to the action in order to make a decent assessment than biased judgement perpetuated by secondary or ideological sources.


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#77160 - 06/15/13 08:04 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dimitri]
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So yeah, you might be right about pointing to the difference in perspectives. But by experience I've learned to better be close to the action in order to make a decent assessment than biased judgement perpetuated by secondary or ideological sources.


Absolutely, so you can understand why I don't hold your perspective. My personal experiences and observations differ. I live in the U.S. so the landscape is going to be gravely different than your own. Sure, there's a few incidents that make headlines but the day-to-day, and my personal interactions with Muslims are gravely different than what is highlighted on television, news papers, etc. Seems to all be perpetuating a tone of fear-mongering so that Americans will jump on board the anti-Islamic train and accept Legislative Bills veiled as protection.
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#77798 - 07/06/13 09:15 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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It's not. And I can tell that you have a good heart which is why I am slightly conflicted about responding, because I don't. I'm tired. But it's good to know that as a community, that the Satanists have grown from old school chaos to a community that actually thinks about World issues. I mean if we were to be RRrr FFff (Hypothetically) speaking of course. Good Christians, or living our lives by the old laws of the Old Testament we would be out in the streets stoning to death and killing for defying Gods law... Maybe they're sane and we aren't, na but just an example and I hope this helps you be better Satanists.. Um I don't want too talk about these books too much because I hate God but since I know some sh..Ya know how there are a lot of um gayism in Christinsanity,just read Leviticus ch 18,22, and chapter 20. messy.. There now don't you feel better about being Satanic.--Islam a threat to Satanism.. Not as much as Christianity.. The Qu'ran pretty much just tells them to stay away from that type of ideology, but it also states that if they and not the Satanist's but OK I wont draw out verses I know what they mean, the infidel's which actually means westerners-so the real Jihadi's overseas think, the word just well OK yes it does to an extent, anyway infidel's means a couple of things depending on who's talking, young minded, or non believers is the most used definition, or moral degenerates. Its something like bring war to the Mosque That's when To Fight to the last breath.. Their government should take care of these problems on their own.. Can I ask a question maybe I'm ranting but I was in war overseas, 1stID, What the ff...OK lets invade Russia or like Jerusalem or something acouple years later thell
Have rap music like WE Getting Hebrew Money and dudes rockin curly sideburns and shht...Why do we try to accommodate cultures we are at war with.. This is stupid.. Lighter note their are a lot of Islamists that want our support to help redevelop their economy.. Well if it is and I'm approached sideways on that topic in the street I'll just try to sea if I can feal what they're thinkin..RealRep...
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#77800 - 07/06/13 10:04 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Azrael999]
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If this was intended as a response to me directly, a few things here.

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It's not. And I can tell that you have a good heart which is why I am slightly conflicted about responding, because I don't.


Do I? An argument could be made for that, in truth.

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Um I don't want too talk about these books too much because I hate God but since I know some sh..Ya know how there are a lot of um gayism in Christinsanity,just read Leviticus ch 18,22, and chapter 20. messy..


Do you hate God, or the words written in a Book? I mean, I get that many Self-Styled Satanists (SSS) get all up in it, but from a logical stand point, this makes little sense to me.

I'm an avid reader and there's been quite a few books I've flung across the room because I can't stand the Author's shit-palming but I usually get over it and decide to either keep reading or trade the book out at a used book store.

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the infidel's which actually means westerners-so the real Jihadi's overseas think, the word just well OK yes it does to an extent, anyway infidel's means a couple of things depending on who's talking, young minded, or non believers is the most used definition, or moral degenerates.


I tend to think more symbolically and take into consideration the Esoteric qualities of most Sacred Texts. The first 2 pages in the Qu'ran pretty much lay down the use of Believer, Non-Believer and Disbeliever pretty clearly. The Infadel is a pejorative for a certain type of poisoner. Fairly certain Islam takes ques from Judeo-Christianity (Exodus). I'd probably be beheaded for calling it Judeo-Hinduism. ha.

Literalism is problematic when peoples take the radical scale and then allow it to force their hand into action. The term 'Jihadist', takes the symbolic internal-struggle and the form it takes is usually a physical act (such as declaring war, acts of violence, Legislative Oppression, etc.).

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Their government should take care of these problems on their own..


Agreed but other Nations get skiddish when they see Middle Eastern countries covered in blood-shed and snaking into neighboring countries. Fear and Horror stimulates aid.

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Why do we try to accommodate cultures we are at war with.. This is stupid.. Lighter note their are a lot of Islamists that want our support to help redevelop their economy..



Accommodation is a mask for Agenda. There's quite a few nations that are less accommodating and are willing to bleed for their intolerance. Look at Egypt, the people were just fuck-all tired of the saturation of Islam and its effects. They took to the streets and the President was taken out. Now, the Obama Administration is re-thinking foreign Aid in Egypt.

You know what's stupid? A broke-ass country like the U.S. dishing out Billions from its local economy to help other Nations accomplish what they would on their own in time.

Americans often forget that the Declaration of Independence was the proverbial middle-finger to King George III. Had it not been for the history of battles fought on American soil, the Revolutionaries wouldn't have gotten any better at it.

Aid = Allies.


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#77802 - 07/06/13 10:17 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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It could go both ways yet an interesting book in the direction that Islam isn't a major player in world events rather a side effect is _A World Without Islam_ by Graham E Fuller (NPR link).
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#77805 - 07/06/13 11:05 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Kemble]
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From the Synopsis:

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"The ancient Greeks fought wars with the ancient Persians for several hundred years, from about 500 to 300 B.C., struggling over the same turf," Fuller says. "The people who came to occupy them later, the Byzantine Christians, fought the same wars, and then the Turkish Muslims came and they fought the same wars."


Ha, I say the same thing (though worded a bit differently).

As a History buff, I see Islam as a byproduct. Considering its considerably younger, and an adaptation of Judeo-Christian idealism. The struggles are often less about the Religion itself and more so about the Modernization and Industrialization of the Global Economy.

The complaints over Barbarianism just goes to show you how much the 'civilized' man negates his nature. Thousands of years of 'History' seems to foreign to the West, when in reality Western History contains a volume of naughty-bits. The sentiment of "Oh well, we've just moved past that..." is pretty damn amusing. We really haven't. It's just changed forms.
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#77806 - 07/06/13 11:09 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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Yeah, I like your style, and thanks for picking out the important parts of the post that I wrote. I've been isolated for a year and a half 4 some BS. And I'm not sure if trying to fit in to the normal day to day world is even worth it anymore.. But yeah your right the term Jihad does mean an internal struggle, not just a war. No I don't hate God, but don't care either. Like I said I'm tired, you don't really need to hear this but, If I had a million dollars, I'd probably still hate life. I wish I was the true lover of life but I'm not...
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#77807 - 07/06/13 11:24 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Azrael999]
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Like I said I'm tired, you don't really need to hear this but, If I had a million dollars, I'd probably still hate life. I wish I was the true lover of life but I'm not..


I feel you. I've had bouts of that over the years. Life is shitty, you gotta find a way to make a life worth living or else get caught-up in an existential crisis.

I've been there, money doesn't magically solve the challenge of life. I'd even get into the trap of spending money for the momentary thrill of buying what ever I wanted, it wears off fast. Not much different than a drug.

It's like being a sculptor. Sometimes the form is under the subjugating instruction of the Art Institution, and at others you cull off what you don't need and create an abstraction that is equally a form.

A pile of money, nor what you did to earn it isn't all that special. It's still a system of controls. It may be a bit cliche but free your mind, and your ass will follow.
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#78316 - 07/21/13 03:49 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Azrael999]
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The Fuck? I wrote that??! I guess I should listen to my own teachings. Self empowerment. I'm over it! If I had a million dollars F yeah I'd be happy, cause money buys houses, cars, and as a little plus wemen so. They don't even care if you're into cheating. Just as long as you help support them as every man should and be there for them.

I know don't say it, but I'm still becoming, and my thought processes are more clear now. I don't know about other people but I take life more seriously now. Things don't have to be as bad as you make them, lack of sleep stess, etc. make people act irrational. Cortisol is a byproduct of these emotions, fight or flight is the technical term for the resulting outcome of Cortisol. It causes age headaches and Hypertension and Death.
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#107118 - 06/11/16 05:50 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Would you think as a Satanist that Islam would be more of a problem to you than Christianity has been?

Neither are problems - in fact, without them there'd be no point at all in calling it "Satanism". There's no way around it, the broad concept and/or labeling owes its very existence to both Christianity and Islam.

One might argue that Satan is just a name for a force of nature known by many other names in many other cultures, and that is true, but it still doesn't satisfactorily answer why "Satan" and not "Apep" or some other completely made-up word that altogether bypasses the tenets of the Abrahamic religions. The relationship is symbiotic no matter which way you slice it.

For as goofy as theistic satanists may be, they're still far more thematically consistent than those who use Satan as a symbol - especially when they concede that religion is absurd, and the guy doesn't exist - it's effectively very sound reasoning applied to an utterly silly premise.

More to the point, the bible itself really doesn't say a whole lot about this Satan chap, and for that matter not a whole lot of Christians do either. He's basically a scriptural foot-note.

Islam, however, does a lot to further flesh-out Satan. In that regard it is extremely helpful. If anything the syncretic hodge-podge that is satanic symbolism is intrinsically offensive to Islam - even if most involved aren't even consciously aware of this fact.

See this guy right here?

Mohammed. An image. People have been shot for less. Do the math.
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#107121 - 06/11/16 11:26 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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It's all incorporation and transculturation.

Upon fact checking this on Wikipedia I have just now come to the conclusion that if mohammed is a bastardization it was probably chosen for Islam's idolatrous standing.

Then again, Levi's Sabbatic Goat is likely inspired by The Golden (traditional) representation of Satan in tarot card imagery, which may actually draw it's etymology to Pan, which lends to it being synonymous with nature.

I'd say, like most ideas, it's an amalgamation that gives us the version we know today, the CoS sigil.

Per the topic, everything's a threat to Islam. They're worse than the Jews with their "that offends me" shit.
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#107122 - 06/12/16 10:27 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Ignorance and herd mentality is strongest in Islam, their bigotry, religious hatred, oppression and suppression being their tools for religious enslavement . . . this is certainly a threat to anyone not conforming to Islam.
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#107123 - 06/12/16 11:52 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Oxus]
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Worms, man. The entire world has the belief version of various stages of syphilis. Anywhere from a mild hold to a possessed stubborn drive to persist despite being completely bat shit and unable to see how oneself behaves.

When these worms get a hold everyone else is always ignorant to their views. Islam only being the popular pick for "most likely to behead".

Fun Fact: Evolution (adaptation) is actually proven by all belief that denounces it, for the reason that they denounce it.
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#107124 - 06/12/16 02:01 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: CanisMachina42]
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It's all incorporation and transculturation.
It is, and that's what makes what I have peculating in my mind so sublimely delightful! Now, mind you, it's not fully fleshed-out yet, and if dabbling in esoteric symbolism has taught me nothing over the years, it is that one would do well to curb their enthusiasm for a new paradigm and let it simmer before committing anything to paper – at least then you won't find yourself spouting a whole litany of things only to find yourself with egg and weak-sauce on your face and back-peddling with the change of seasons. None-the-less, it's a start, and certainly no less reasonable than the weird hoops many others successfully (relatively speaking) jump through in order to cram a cloven hoof into ballet shoes:

- Gabriel, messenger who revealed the Qur'an to Mohammad stands at the left hand of God.

- Baphomet is a corruption of Mohammad – a blasphemous idol. *smirks*

”Yeap, that's your prophet – it's a tranny with a goat head – we dig 'm. You mad bro?” Certainly any high-priest of a satanic church or temple is aware of the Knights Templar - they can't plead ignorance, especially since ignroance is a cardinal sin to "Satanists" and "Luciferians" alike.

-The Satanic Temple actually succeeded in erecting a blasphemous idol on State grounds, and to boot “Yeah! Those are little children at his lap. Mohammad was a pedophile, so it was only fitting, of course” *I can't be the only one this has occurred to - or is it truly a matter of "they know not what they do"? Nah, that dog don't hunt. We're Satanists. Blasphemy is part of the package - hence the name.

Loki would indeed be pleased – very much so. I'm probably going to hell if I ever get around to fleshing this whole thing out and spreading it__ but well___ ya' know - teh lulz
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#107125 - 06/12/16 08:43 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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A general reply.

First, the Muslim world is inferior to the Western world. All Muslim countries are authoritarian regimes. It's enough to look at the closest neighbor, Turkey, to get a clue. While total freedom is an illusion, these countries are tyrannies when compared to the Western democratic system. Even if we take into account the extensive police surveillance in the West, still it's a nursery school if we compare it to the oppressive laws in the Muslim countries. I wouldn't go as far as calling all of them barbaric but they are definitely less civilized. It's like the second class train.

Second, racism is something natural. All cats are racist when they pee all over their territory and when they fight with other cats. Tell my cat that all cats are equal and that he should be tolerant of other cats in the neighborhood. Inviting too many immigrants, especially of a different culture, is a suicidal move.

Third, that the governments use terrorism as a scarecrow to strengthen their control over the citizens might be true in the case of Russia or Turkey but not necessarily in the case of the US or EU. When it comes to the latter, all the anti terrorist legislation stems from the delusional belief that one can be in the total control of one's destiny. The same illusion of control is something the insurance companies give you while advertising their products, with the only difference that they are after your money while politicians are after your votes. But the philosophy is the same; if you take all the necessary precautions, predict all the dangers and are prepared for them, you will be safe and nothing will surprise you. You will always be in control of events. Bullshit. Life is unpredictable. Shit can always happen and not exactly the one you were securing yourself against.

An anecdote. Just recently our parliament had usual squabbles, this time about the new anti terrorist law. And just when they were debating, some chemistry student left an amateur nail bomb in the bus. The passengers noticed a suspicious bag and informed the bus driver. Without thinking twice, the bus driver took the bag and carried it out, leaving it at the bus stop where soon it exploded, or rather imploded, it just got burned without throwing out nails and harming anyone. Fortunately, the kid fucked up his homework, otherwise we would have had a national mourning day. By the way, he wasn't a Muslim.

The bus driver broke all the safety procedures he was taught during the courses. No wonder. He acted on instinct. He was taken by surprise. Not everyday, you come to work expecting to find a bomb there. In spite of that, he became a hero for rescuing others and risking his own life.

The cops and security agents appeared immediately but BUT they were AFTER the fact. No wonder again because it all happened so quickly. A terrorist attack is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to predict. For all our politicians bragging about the professionalism of the security services, I'm sure that if one day we face some serious terrorist threat, the cops will be there... to collect the bodies from the streets.
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#107131 - 06/13/16 10:52 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
Second, racism is something natural. All cats are racist when they pee all over their territory and when they fight with other cats. Tell my cat that all cats are equal and that he should be tolerant of other cats in the neighborhood. Inviting too many immigrants, especially of a different culture, is a suicidal move.


I think you may be confusing the words racist and territorial, or you are using the word racist to describe territorial behaviour. Sure, the two can go hand in hand, but as far as I know, only humans have racist ideas. Arguments about what is natural aside, racism is learned, it is not a pre-installed concept or idea, but learned through social interaction.

Far as cultural acceptance and resistance, again, it comes down to what people learn and how they are taught to react to any given social change. Hold hands, or go to war, it comes down to learned behaviour.

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...control is something the insurance companies give you while advertising their products, with the only difference that they are after your money while politicians are after your votes.

Ha! I'll take it a step further and say that votes are what both politicians and companies want on top of money.

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#107136 - 06/13/16 05:21 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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I think you may be confusing the words racist and territorial, or you are using the word racist to describe territorial behaviour. Sure, the two can go hand in hand, but as far as I know, only humans have racist ideas.


Oh that was a tongue in cheek comment about my cat being a racist. Racism is a territorial behavior. It mostly is a reaction to immigration. This is why we can observe the rise of nationalist or downright racist sentiments in the face of the recent events involving the terrorist attacks and the influx of the Muslim refugees. It's especially visible in Europe. Just recently, a nationalist candidate who capitalized on anti-Muslim sentiments nearly won the presidential elections in Austria. Also here in Poland the right wing party that has recently won the elections is under the social pressure not to admit the immigrants. We already sent 300 immigrants back to Italy (the previous government agreed to take them in) because they had fake passports.

I also read a few articles how the foreign students, especially Arabs, are harassed in Poland. I'm not sure if it's true or it's just some leftist propaganda. It's probably the latter though I wouldn't be surprised if there was some real hostility. Humans are territorial animals.
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#107141 - 06/14/16 11:41 AM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Czereda]
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Oh that was a tongue in cheek comment about my cat being a racist.


I figured so \:D

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
Racism is a territorial behavior.It mostly is a reaction to immigration.


I have not been to Europe, but I am going to go ahead and guess that most of the population are white folk, from north, central, and south. Probably not too many black people, or Asians, however I have met people of obvious mixed races who were European. In other words, the ratio of mixed races in EU compared to US may be quite astonishingly different.

In that case, it is an immigration thing. However, here in the PNW, people are mostly white, and a lot of them are racist. In the case of living in a city, I can understand where it comes from because there are different conditions and real threats.

Sure monetary class will dictate where you can and can't live, but cities (especially US) are almost always heavily divided by racial standards. *The two are mostly tied tightly together in an ever increasing knot.

Where I live, people are timid and flimsy, they take everything personally and few of them have ever had to stick up for themselves against much more than name calling, let alone the experience one gets in fighting for their life, which many people in cities unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your take) have, because cities are often violent.

So around here people are racist and have little to no experience with anyone but other racist white people. I often thought this was strange, and wondered how it happens since they have little to no contact with other culture. Turns out it is just passed on generation to generation. Friends and family are racist, and one who grows up around it generally accepts it because they don't want to be rejected, or never consider challenging the idea in the first place. Goes to show you how much this is a learned behaviour. I've seen people who claim to hate blacks, and then one day I find them in a store having a long laughing conversation, like nobody's business. What people say and do are often two separate things. In this case, what one says they believe, against what actions they take on those beliefs.

Anyway, to answer to OP's Q:

No. I've yet to see anyone remove The Satanic Bible, or any other written Satanic work from Amazon.com. Unless someone can find all the satanic literature and erase forever the mass online and hard-copy data of said work, I think Satanism is pretty much here to stay.


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#111387 - 02/03/17 07:52 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: Dave Pellani]
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Satanism is a threat to all forms of Abrahamism. Islam isn't really a threat to Satanism, but Satanism should be embraced because it is a threat to Jewish religion.
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#113309 - 06/26/17 09:28 PM Re: Islam : is it a threat to Satanism? [Re: mabon2010]
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Of course it's a threat. It may not be a mortal threat if you act smart, but it's a pain in the ass to live among people who are aggressive about their religion. Christians aren't as violent any more but even they constitute a serious bother. They may not come straight to my face and make demands but the effects of their collective moral propensities are felt nevertheless.

If Christians don't like you to blaspheme they'll elect politicians to make sure that you don't, so you'll end up like Stephen Fry in Ireland. If Christians don't like you to smoke pot even in your own closet, cops will sniff into your ashtray.

Hubris prevent some Satanists to admit that what religionists are doing is a fucking bother and a dire tax to our happiness. I don't want to pretend it doesn't concern me and shut up about it and endure it stoically.

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