Page all of 2 12>
Topic Options
#5054 - 03/09/08 12:19 AM Serial Killers
fakepropht Moderator Offline
Big Slick
active member


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 990
Loc: Texas
I'm sure I'm not the only one that shares a fascination with them. While doing some online shopping, I came across a few sites selling crime related "muderbilia". Maybe I am late to the party, but I thought I would offer up some links in case anyone else was interested in bidding on a lock of Charles Manson's hair and signature, or a Richard Ramirez letter. One site offered plenty of prison kites. Slips of paper used by inmates to communicate with one another. Who wouldn't want to bid on Haddon Clark's jockstrap or used bar of soap and razor? Keep your hands off the portrait of Elvis by John Wayne Gacy. I want that.

muder auction
daisy seven
supernaught

BTW, sites like these may soon be illegal, so shoppers, act fast.
_________________________
Beer, the reason I get up every afternoon.

Top
#5056 - 03/09/08 01:04 AM Re: Serial Killers [Re: fakepropht]
DaVinci Offline
member


Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 218
Loc: Australia
You're not the only one. I, for one, share a deep fascination with most serial killers -- including Australia's very own infamous killers Ivan Milat and Mark Brandon "Chopper" Read. I've always been a keen collector of murderbilia, so I thank you for the links.
_________________________
"In war, there are no unwounded soldiers." - José Narosky

Top
#5084 - 03/09/08 08:27 AM Re: Serial Killers [Re: DaVinci]
ZephyrGirl Offline
R.I.P.
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 706
Loc: Adelaide Australia
Choppers an interesting choice of 'serial killers'. I always thought he was the stand over king of disinformation.
_________________________
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass -
It's about learning to dance in the rain.


Top
#5087 - 03/09/08 09:37 AM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
DaVinci Offline
member


Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 218
Loc: Australia
 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Choppers an interesting choice of 'serial killers'. I always thought he was the stand over king of disinformation.


He's infamous as being a stand-over man; but even he admits to being a serial killer. He's done more than the public knows about and, as I've met the bloke personally (good friend of the father's), I've had many a chance to have interesting conversations with the man.
_________________________
"In war, there are no unwounded soldiers." - José Narosky

Top
#5101 - 03/09/08 01:20 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: DaVinci]
TornadoCreator Offline
member


Registered: 10/24/07
Posts: 586
Loc: No Fixed Address
I personally never saw the fascination other than possible studying their mental state. Each to there own I guess.
_________________________
If you can't practice what you preach, at least have the decency to preach what you practice

Top
#5147 - 03/09/08 09:29 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: TornadoCreator]
DistroyA Offline
member


Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 478
Loc: Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, UK
I'd have to say that I agree with you on this topic.

The only interest I'd have in serial killers is finding out what the reason for their murderous intent is. Other than that, I've got no interest in it. Having "memorabilia" of them would kinda creep me out.
_________________________
"A man chooses, a slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan of Ryan Industries (Bioshock)

Top
#5362 - 03/12/08 06:16 AM Re: Serial Killers [Re: DaVinci]
ZephyrGirl Offline
R.I.P.
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 706
Loc: Adelaide Australia
 Quote:
He's infamous as being a stand-over man; but even he admits to being a serial killer. He's done more than the public knows about and, as I've met the bloke personally (good friend of the father's), I've had many a chance to have interesting conversations with the man.


I'm sorry, but I just can't take your word on this. You can't just write something like that, on a site like this, without something to back it up. That would be like me telling you about the time I fucked Russell Crowe.

Without proof, would you beleive me?

ZephyrGirl
_________________________
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass -
It's about learning to dance in the rain.


Top
#5372 - 03/12/08 10:31 AM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
DaVinci Offline
member


Registered: 02/09/08
Posts: 218
Loc: Australia
"I do not however, need to justify my wordly travels or friendships to you."
_________________________
"In war, there are no unwounded soldiers." - José Narosky

Top
#6274 - 03/23/08 08:12 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: fakepropht]
devul Offline
stranger


Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 23
Loc: Yuma, AZ
I remember going to Ozzfest about 5 years ago and seeing Jonathan Davis' trailer of serial killer memorabillia. He had letters, art, clothing, and other personal effects that he had collected. I heard that he sold it all a few years back; apparently it was bringing too much negativity into his house. I wouldn't be surprised if you found some of his stuff on those websites.
_________________________
I may not have morals, but I have standards.

Top
#6280 - 03/23/08 10:22 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: devul]
Pan420 Offline
pledge


Registered: 03/05/08
Posts: 72
Loc: New Mexico
Doesn't Davis have John Doner's car or something like that? For the whole fascination of phycotic killers just turns me off. I do enjoy learning about their motives. I enjoyed learning about that one hit man, I forgot his name but they call him The Ice Man. He was a mafia hit man and from the biography I was creeped out. How can a human be so deranged to do those things to some one else? I mean I'll kill for what I believe is to be a right cause. My family, my possesions, my country, but to be a serial killer, wow. But I also got to think that the people that are bidding for their crap has got to be a little twisted themselves. The only thing I would own from a serial killers would be Gacy's art, he painted some disturbing pictures.
_________________________
Pan420

"Use your fist and not your mouth",
Marilyn Manson

Top
#6282 - 03/23/08 11:25 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: Pan420]
ta2zz Offline
veteran member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
The Iceman was not a serial killer but a hired hit man... It was a job... He was creative at storing the body's of his victims therefore disguising the actual time of death...

Richard "Iceman" Kuklinski (April 11, 1935 – March 5, 2006) was a convicted murderer and notorious contract killer. He worked for several Italian-American crime families, and claimed to have murdered over 200 people over a career that lasted thirty years. He was the older brother of the convicted rapist and murderer Joseph Kuklinski.

Richard Kuklinski wiki

I see a difference...

~T~
_________________________
We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams. ~Arthur William Edgar O'Shaughnessy

Top
#6325 - 03/24/08 08:42 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ta2zz]
PigFeeder Offline
member


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 294
Loc: Near Montreal, QC
Well I, like many others here, have a fascination with the minds of serial killers. A few people may even notice that my name is actully drived from one. I like thinking of why they would have done it or how they would have done it. I like reading about the whole situation. The victims, forms of murder, etc. Finding out the exact motives and what drive ssomeone to commit the acts, in serial killers who do not talk, is always innacurate and mysterious.

There's just something not right about serial killers, something strange. they can be the most normal people ever, hold down a decent job, family, house, and life. But one day they snap. It's interesting for anyone to try to think of what`would have caused them to do the damage they did. It's 'different and unusual' to what everyone else is. Personally I think it's a type of subject with the label "You need to have gone through it to understand it*. Because its true that most people cannot and will never understand why people snap. Psychologists and the like can always claim they know, most only offer theories. Because, In truth we can only offer theories. They can never say why someone else did something. Sometimes not even the serial killer themselves know why.

Yah sorry, do I talk to much? I don't know I'm just stating my opinions and such, I hope it doesn't bug people too much? >____<.
_________________________
For all murderers, I am the leader.
Forever, Rob, The 49 PigFeeder.
NecroMantic Sin.

Top
#6366 - 03/25/08 04:00 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: PigFeeder]
PansGirl_v2.3 Offline
stranger


Registered: 02/18/08
Posts: 30
Loc: TX U.S.
Yes the minds of serial killers hold many fascinations but the one that most interests me is their reason, common sense, whatever you want to call it. Some are repentant for their acts, but many of them are not, because they don't consider it wrong and I find it completely (for lack of a better word) fascinating.

How do they develop this sense of right and wrong? I mean, seriously, most normal people ask HOW can they do such a "deranged" thing like that, but to them (the serial killers) it was not deranged at all. It is as if the whole world was upside down and one person helped out a homeless person (sorry, I am probably ranting by now), the rest of the world would be totally against it because it was "wrong"...

Who knows what right and wrong is anyway? What could be right for you is wrong for other people so how can you make up laws that encompass everyone when everyone's sense of right and wrong is different. Granted, the majority of the world has everything all straightened out but what about those of us that do not?

Some killers snap...others just like the taste of blood, the rush of power, the feeling of playing god. They, ahhh, I lost my point...I'm thinking it was along the lines of maybe serial killers have some of it right??? Sorry if I wasted your time, but I would have wasted mine if I did not post this after writing so much.
_________________________
352-Inksie

The love of many is the envy of all.

Top
#6367 - 03/25/08 05:16 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: PansGirl_v2.3]
Pan420 Offline
pledge


Registered: 03/05/08
Posts: 72
Loc: New Mexico
Well granted that no one should be able decide what is right and what is wrong, but a human life should never be the hands of another human being. What gives one person the right to take anothers life? 'Cause he wanted to disembowl the woman he should be able to practice his craft', that's bullshit. There has to be a line between death and murder. Serial killers see nether. I can imagine that there is people out in the world that are terminaly ill and want to die, but due to some countries human rights laws they are denied that service of being uthanized. Those people should get together with some of the serial killers and have a blast. Two parties getting what they want out of it. Nothing deranged by that, huh.
_________________________
Pan420

"Use your fist and not your mouth",
Marilyn Manson

Top
#6372 - 03/25/08 06:39 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: Pan420]
ZephyrGirl Offline
R.I.P.
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 706
Loc: Adelaide Australia
 Quote:
Those people should get together with some of the serial killers and have a blast. Two parties getting what they want out of it. Nothing deranged by that, huh.


I have a terminal illness and at some point I may even want to explore euthenasia, but to think that I might 'get together' with a serial killer, so that he can have a blast at my expense is totally preposturous. You have absoloutely no understanding of what you are talking about and should probably shut your hole at this point.

Euthenasia is not about suicide but about leaving life when you choose peacefully, so as not to have to suffer like a dog.

I doubt that helping someone leave peacefully would be high up on many serial killers agenda.

Zeph
_________________________
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass -
It's about learning to dance in the rain.


Top
#6376 - 03/25/08 07:28 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
PigFeeder Offline
member


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 294
Loc: Near Montreal, QC
I think someone should be allowed to die if they so wish. Suicide or euthanasia. Your life is your life, and as logn as your not physically hurting anyone else, do what you will. It is our life to do what we want with, have a blast.

Wow the forementioned sounds coincedentally close to another murderer I know of. I have misplaced the name but, some of you ay remember. He was the one who had placed an Ad, asking for someone willing to die and be eaten. A individual, believe it or not, replied with a yes. They got together and it happened. The whole act was video taped, the victim was sodomized, mutilated, murdered, butchered, and the meat was frozen and eaten over time. I wont go into details, but the whole situation sounded quite deranged. I've always wanted to know what they were thinking when commiting such acts. As mentioned above, the serial killer doesn't always think he's wrong. Or in some cases, they think they're doing a good deed, justice to society. Such as a mass murder of prostitutes or gays.

Throughout history we see it time and time again. The KKK, mass murdering numbers of people because it seemed the right thing to do. The Salem Witch Trials, or widespread witch hunts. These were parties all with the same ideal of ridding something 'bad' from the society by exterminating it/them. The difference between these groups and the serial killers is that they are doing the job solo for the most part, and there isn't a group that know the common goal. Just one, maybe two people. So that leaves anyone questioning, why did they do it?

I guess that's always the big question. When someone performs an act out of the conformity of soceity's level of norm, as individuals and as a society, we want to know why!? I guess it's the nature of humanity, to be curious.

Curiosity killed the cat ..?
_________________________
For all murderers, I am the leader.
Forever, Rob, The 49 PigFeeder.
NecroMantic Sin.

Top
#6473 - 03/27/08 01:06 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
Pan420 Offline
pledge


Registered: 03/05/08
Posts: 72
Loc: New Mexico
Well I didn't mean to offend. I was just saying my point. Cause I don't belive in euthenasia, I believe it to wrong. Yeah to suffer is horrible, but I believe that a person should pass naturaly. Everyone could argue a good point, but it all comes down to opions. I have alot of things wrong with me. The doctors don't give me that long to live, but I would rather take my pain killers, smoke my pot, drink away the pain and what have you to get through the day. Cause despite everything I still look forward to tomorrow. And thats that.
_________________________
Pan420

"Use your fist and not your mouth",
Marilyn Manson

Top
#6480 - 03/27/08 03:42 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
PansGirl_v2.3 Offline
stranger


Registered: 02/18/08
Posts: 30
Loc: TX U.S.
Why can't I decide, in my universe? Satanism is all about the self, isn't it? Ignoring the not harming others unless they harm you or you can't harm children, Why can't I kill someone because I want to? What gives one person the right? Yourself... Deranged is only a word for abnormal. Normality is just a figure of how many other people are/like/do the same things you do. Why villainize them just because they have a different point of view and aren't in the normal range of things?
_________________________
352-Inksie

The love of many is the envy of all.

Top
#6482 - 03/27/08 04:06 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: Pan420]
ZephyrGirl Offline
R.I.P.
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 706
Loc: Adelaide Australia
Well your point was neither intelligent or well thought out. Two of the things that are expected of posters here. I wasn't offended, I was just pointing out that serial killers hardly want to help people go 'peacefully' or without pain. After all, serial killers often tourture and terrify their 'victims'.

You never hear stories of poeple who were 'saved' the stress and pain of a terminal illness because they became the prey of a serial killer.

 Quote:
Cause I don't belive in euthenasia, I believe it to wrong. Yeah to suffer is horrible, but I believe that a person should pass naturaly.


Well I'm sorry that you are still holding into your Christian beleifs. But YOU SAID maybe people with terminal illness should get together with serial killers so they could all have fun. It had nothing to do with euthenasia and whether it was moral or not, so don't try to back pedal with pathetic off topic counter arguments now.

Zeph
_________________________
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass -
It's about learning to dance in the rain.


Top
#6483 - 03/27/08 04:14 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: PansGirl_v2.3]
ZephyrGirl Offline
R.I.P.
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 706
Loc: Adelaide Australia
 Quote:
Why can't I decide, in my universe? Satanism is all about the self, isn't it? Ignoring the not harming others unless they harm you or you can't harm children, Why can't I kill someone because I want to? What gives one person the right? Yourself... Deranged is only a word for abnormal. Normality is just a figure of how many other people are/like/do the same things you do. Why villainize them just because they have a different point of view and aren't in the normal range of things?


Are you talking to me? Because your comment has nothing to do with the post I wrote.

But seeing as I am already replying. Yes me. I have as much right to protect me and mine as anyone does to try and take my life away because they want to kill people and hurt children. So yes I shall victimize one that is bad for my community and family as such.

ZephyrGirl
_________________________
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass -
It's about learning to dance in the rain.


Top
#6484 - 03/27/08 04:21 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
PansGirl_v2.3 Offline
stranger


Registered: 02/18/08
Posts: 30
Loc: TX U.S.
Actually I wasn't but sure, you have a right to protect yourself and serial killers have a right to try to get you.
_________________________
352-Inksie

The love of many is the envy of all.

Top
#6485 - 03/27/08 04:26 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
Kon Offline
pledge


Registered: 03/21/08
Posts: 86
Loc: Berlin, Germany
mmmmm, zephygirl you're preaching to the quire <- figure of speech.
Protecting yourself, tormenting, victimizing, or otherwise inspiring a murderous instinct within a human are all things that upset even the laziest of us. We all have a panoramic view of what murder, or death should be like (one reason we are here), what our versions "betray" are the people close now. Only because we have such a broad spectrum to analyze, we can draw opinions and emotions from the ideas here, or without threat or giving in to emotion we can analyze, and sub-analyze, true education, from debating and opinions. I agree, we're saying the same thing zephyr.
_________________________
A God complex isn't likely to show itself.

Top
#6486 - 03/27/08 04:28 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: Kon]
Kon Offline
pledge


Registered: 03/21/08
Posts: 86
Loc: Berlin, Germany
I think I'll be off to email homicide detectives now, research a bit of criminology, and write an entire manifesto on my educated opinions on this matter.

Edited by Kon (03/27/08 04:28 PM)
Edit Reason: yea right! lmao
_________________________
A God complex isn't likely to show itself.

Top
#6490 - 03/27/08 05:28 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: Kon]
ZephyrGirl Offline
R.I.P.
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 706
Loc: Adelaide Australia
 Quote:
mmmmm, zephygirl you're preaching to the quire


quire? I assume you mean choir. LOL. It gave me a good giggle though. I thought I was bad at spelling.

Zeph
_________________________
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass -
It's about learning to dance in the rain.


Top
#6526 - 03/28/08 10:15 AM Re: Serial Killers [Re: ZephyrGirl]
Kon Offline
pledge


Registered: 03/21/08
Posts: 86
Loc: Berlin, Germany
A smiling face is good to see from time to time, thanks Zephyrgrl.










Edited by Kon (03/28/08 10:17 AM)
Edit Reason: removal of childishness
_________________________
A God complex isn't likely to show itself.

Top
#6565 - 03/28/08 07:41 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: PansGirl_v2.3]
PigFeeder Offline
member


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 294
Loc: Near Montreal, QC
 Originally Posted By: PansGirl_v2.3
Why can't I decide, in my universe? Satanism is all about the self, isn't it? Ignoring the not harming others unless they harm you or you can't harm children, Why can't I kill someone because I want to? What gives one person the right? Yourself... Deranged is only a word for abnormal. Normality is just a figure of how many other people are/like/do the same things you do. Why villainize them just because they have a different point of view and aren't in the normal range of things?


Can anyone say Psychotic?..

The urge to kill and harm others is NOT normal. And it is not anyone's right to harm another person. If you feel like harming then hurt yourself. I agree with Zeph, I will villanize them if they hurt my friends and family. As would anyone else. I am not making them out to be a villain for there different point of views. In today's society, acting on barbaric feelings and inhumaine impulses is something I thought we should have passed by now. For all the intelligence man says they have gained, look how far we've actually gone backwards... So your saying it's correct and ultimately there choice if they would like to roam around murdering and harming whom ever they see fit. So your friends, your lover, your family, are all people you would have sacrificed to satisfy this one person? That I am sorry to be the one to inform you, IS derranged and demented.

And by the way. Just so you know. One word, depending on the situation can mean many thngs. Deranged, can often also be used as a means of describing a psychotic individual who atcs irrational and barbaric on clouded emotions and thoughts.
_________________________
For all murderers, I am the leader.
Forever, Rob, The 49 PigFeeder.
NecroMantic Sin.

Top
#6584 - 03/28/08 09:48 PM Re: Serial Killers [Re: PigFeeder]
fakepropht Moderator Offline
Big Slick
active member


Registered: 08/29/07
Posts: 990
Loc: Texas
 Quote:
In today's society, acting on barbaric feelings and inhumaine impulses is something I thought we should have passed by now. For all the intelligence man says they have gained, look how far we've actually gone backwards


If your 11 year old daughter were to be snatched off the street and bruatly raped, you would stand by and let the (in)justice system handle it? Perhaps I misunderstand your reply. But in my world, you wrong one of mine, you pay. By my hands. I will not let some stranger who gets paid a living to handle cases handle my case. What does he care? Get paid, add to resume. Ask Ron Goldman if he feels he was served justice.
_________________________
Beer, the reason I get up every afternoon.

Top
#6600 - 03/29/08 07:31 AM Re: Serial Killers [Re: fakepropht]
PigFeeder Offline
member


Registered: 03/17/08
Posts: 294
Loc: Near Montreal, QC
Well I must say you make a good point and I do secretly follow the eye for an eye theory. If someone hurt one of my friends or family then yes, I most likely would with all my knowledge that I have, walk up to him and cut his throat open. BUT that is a case where I find an exception. However, this is not the case 95% of the time with serial killers, they go around killing random chosen victims that they find, match the standards they want. I mentioned above that an individual killing out of retaliation I could understand, and do not shun it. For if this is the reason, they are doing it out of compassion and love, then they have emotions that most serial killers are not without, but, do not surface within them.

When I said inhumaine impulses, I meant just the want to randomly kill whomever they choose. So in that part I am actually contradicting myself. When I said retaliaion, I meant in retaliation to not only themselves. As in revenge, I believe in revenge, but not in stupidity. do what your going to do, but judge the situation and asess the damage done. Act accordingly.
_________________________
For all murderers, I am the leader.
Forever, Rob, The 49 PigFeeder.
NecroMantic Sin.

Top
Page all of 2 12>


Moderator:  Woland, TV is God, fakepropht, SkaffenAmtiskaw, Asmedious, Fist 
Hop to:

Generated in 0.038 seconds of which 0.002 seconds were spent on 41 queries. Zlib compression disabled.