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#51473 - 03/21/11 02:46 PM Satanic movie characters
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Recently, I watched the movie ‘Millenium: The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo ‘, the first part of the Millenium trilogy by Stieg Larsson. I noticed that one of the characters, Liesbet Salander, has a rather obvious satanic view on life. I am not referring to her gothic looks, but to her behavior. She fights back when they try to beat her up, she takes vengeance after she is raped and she fulfills her carnal needs. It is nice to find Satanism in an ordinary fiction film, otherwise this is mostly the subject of rather serious literary works or documentaries. Has anyone else seen this movie? Are there other movies with Satanic characters in it?
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#51486 - 03/21/11 05:13 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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I watched it last week, and got the same impression about that female character as you did. Although I do find her look very attractive, I think she would be sexier without the piercing’s, but that is a matter of personal taste.
Usually I find nude scenes in movies to be an over kill and mainly a filler for time, but in her case I kept rewinding it because she has exactly the type of body that I love.

In regards to the movie as a whole, I think it's the best film that I have seen within the past 24 months.
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#51499 - 03/21/11 06:32 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Asmedious]
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Well, for me at least, when I think on movie characters with satanic traits I must think on Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now. He has seen the true face of humanity and has reacted becoming "more human than human", he may be self destructive, and that´s pretty anti satanic, but he knows exactly how the music of the spheres sounds and acts according to his own beliefs and will.
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#51504 - 03/21/11 07:14 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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 Originally Posted By: Waanzin
Are there other movies with Satanic characters in it?

Try Edward James Olmos as El Pachuco in Zoot Suit, along with his three daemonic damsel colleagues. [All four appear in this opening sequence, and magically thereafter throughout the film.] If you thought EJO was electric in Miami Vice, wait 'til you see him here ...
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#51547 - 03/22/11 02:55 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: Waanzin
Are there other movies with Satanic characters in it?

Try Edward James Olmos as El Pachuco in Zoot Suit, along with his three daemonic damsel colleagues. [All four appear in this opening sequence, and magically thereafter throughout the film.] If you thought EJO was electric in Miami Vice, wait 'til you see him here ...


Sing Michael, Sing!
Zoot Suit is one of my all time favourite movies.
Saw it 20-25 years ago, and it has never left me.
Been trying to find it on region 2 dvd, but no such luck...

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#51548 - 03/22/11 03:06 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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 Originally Posted By: Waanzin
Recently, I watched the movie ‘Millenium: The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo ‘, the first part of the Millenium trilogy by Stieg Larsson. I noticed that one of the characters, Liesbet Salander, has a rather obvious satanic view on life. I am not referring to her gothic looks, but to her behavior. She fights back when they try to beat her up, she takes vengeance after she is raped and she fulfills her carnal needs. It is nice to find Satanism in an ordinary fiction film, otherwise this is mostly the subject of rather serious literary works or documentaries. Has anyone else seen this movie? Are there other movies with Satanic characters in it?


Although I enjoyed Ms. Lisbet Salander as portrayed by Noomi Rapace, I must admit to eagerly be awaiting David Fincher's version.

As to other movie characters, I've always enjoyed Mr. De Niro as Louis Cyphre.

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#51550 - 03/22/11 03:43 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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The character Brother Justin Crowe from HBO’s “Carnivale” was fun to watch, and the two season series was quite enjoyable, blending all sorts of occult and paranormal themes into its plot set against the backdrop of The Dust Bowl and The Great Depression.
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#51566 - 03/22/11 01:31 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Woland]
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 Originally Posted By: Woland
I've always enjoyed Mr. De Niro as Louis Cyphre.

The scene in which he expounds on the human soul while slowly stripping the shell off a hard-boiled egg with those talon-fingernals is especially delicious.
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#51568 - 03/22/11 01:52 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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Vincent Price as Prince Prospero in Roger Corman’s “Masque of the Red Death”:

The Masque of the Red Death

And while Price’s character in the 1964 film “The Last Man on Earth” isn’t Satanic, I definitely recommend the film. It’s a low budget (I believe), Italian production, with a script that is weak at times, but the picture transcends those limitations to create a genre movie that’s much better than expected, with some truly memorable scenes.


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#51571 - 03/22/11 02:16 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Tesseract]
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"The Last Man on Earth" is a classic. Price, as usual, is brilliant and in, my opinion, it´s Matheson´s novel best adaptation, even better than the original "Omega Man". The character may not be really satanic but I think the whole "man against the world" and "apocalyptic survival" genres attract satanists.
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#51581 - 03/22/11 04:34 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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Charles Gray as Mocata in Hammer's The Devil Rides Out. You just don't get any more elegantly-sinister than this.
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#51586 - 03/22/11 05:06 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Peter Cook in Bedazzled (1967).



Not as much Satanic as Satan incarnate...
Good laughs though!
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#51618 - 03/22/11 10:59 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Woland]
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One movie stands out amongst the crowd of Satanic films, and that is The Black Cat [1934] starring two noteable individuals: Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi.

I'm a sucker' for the black and white movies of the '30s and '40s and early '50s.
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#51621 - 03/23/11 12:35 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: paolo sette]
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 Originally Posted By: paolo sette
One movie stands out amongst the crowd of Satanic films, and that is The Black Cat [1934] starring two noteable individuals: Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi.

Here is its Satanic ritual sequence. Sometime I must dig up my old high school Latin textbook and translate Boris' incantation [unless we have some fluent Latin scholars here?].

Note also the interesting use of the Cross of Lorraine as the altar centerpiece. I am supposing that this was taken from its Knight Templar usage, evoking the legend of their "Satanic" Baphomet-worship.

Another interesting detail is the device surrounding Karloff's inverse Pentagram badge: the alternate/linear design of Cauda Draconis or [in astrology & geomancy] the South or Descending Node of the Moon. CD is often described as the negative or Satanic counterpart of Caput Draconis.
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#51622 - 03/23/11 12:45 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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Strother Martin did a rather frisky job as the Satanic priest in 1971's Brotherhood of Satan, a sleeper at the time but actually one of the better Satanic films to follow Rosemary's Baby. Echoes of RB in Martin's double-identity in the community, as well as perhaps Village of the Damned. Basically the brainchild of L.Q. Jones, who also starred as the hapless town sheriff.
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#51659 - 03/23/11 07:13 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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In 1975 Ernest Borgnine was a surprisingly [given his McHale's Navy image] sinister Satanic Priest in The Devil's Rain.

The movie is discussed in some detail in my Church of Satan, but there are a few fun incidentals in this YouTube clip:

(1) William Shatner's protective medallion is a larger, stylized rendition of the Church of Satan's original copper/enamel "Protection" amulet - one of several amulets designed by Anton LaVey and sold by the Church in the 1960s.

(2) Borgnine's Baphomet medallion is in black/silver, because he was supposed to be a Priest of Mendes III°. [In 1974 the Church's degree-medallions were color-coded, with black as the III°.] A larger medallion was created for Borgnine to make it easier to see.

(3) Inside the church you will see some animal-head outlines and a "maze" trapezoid/Pentagram design. These were Anton LaVey's personal artwork. He had nothing to do with the hideous stained-glass Baphomet behind the altar.

(4) Borgnine's incantation begins of course with the "Invocation to Satan" from the Satanic Bible. [His later incantation atop the mountain came in part from my "Ceremony of the Nine Angles" in the Satanic Rituals.]

(5) If you watch the complete movie, Diane LaVey had a cameo as Borgnine's colonial-era wife, and Anton had a cameo as the gold-helmeted Priest atop the mountain.

(6) "Redstone" was actually Durango, Mexico.

(7) I think this was Shatner's last movie before the Star Wars phenomenon resurrected Star Trek and its series of movies.

(8) TDR was John Travolta's movie debut; he had a bit part as a Satanist who fights with Tom Skerritt and then falls down a flight of stairs. He was originally uncredited, but his name was added prominently to later releases of the film after he became a star.

(9) TDR began as a novel, icky-poo Wiccan from start to finish. It got sinister real fast once Robert Fuest (who also directed the two Dr. Phibes films) had the bright idea to invite Anton on board as the technical advisor, thank badness.

(10) The chanting inside the church, and later on the hillside, is indeed the tail-end of one of the Enochian Keys from the SB. Anton coached Mexican extras in this with a chalkboard; Diane's snapshots of this "class" were hilarious.
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#51661 - 03/23/11 07:38 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Dr. LaVey told me that he eventually started getting the slow, plodding cadence of the Enochian by shuffling like a monster in front of the extras, then having them do the same, pronouncing a syllable with each step. He had some great tales about his time in Durango... Shatner having to beg rides to the set because they had forgotten to negotiate a limo in his contract, a particularly cold morning with the LaVeys, John Travolta, and Eddie Arnold huddled in a limo for warmth, with Eddie Arnold singing some of the sweetest music, Keenan Wynn (apparently pretty hard of hearing) bellowing across a restaurant about LaVey being a REAL Satanist and how the world could learn a thing or two...

I was interested in who had the goat-headed speherical "soul jar" and where I could get it. http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/beedubelhue/?action=view¤t=devilsrain8.jpg
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#51665 - 03/23/11 08:58 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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And of course there’s Al Pacino’s over-the-top performance in “The Devil’s Advocate.” His thoroughly entertaining turn as Lucifer makes an otherwise mediocre film well worth watching.
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#51671 - 03/23/11 10:42 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Tesseract]
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I just watched for the umpteenth time my favourite movie as a Birthday treat - "Night Of The Demon" (1957, Director Jacques Tourneur), with pizza and chocolate cake. \:D

It features Niall MacGinnis as the Black Magician, Julian Karswell and he is,in my opinion, superb. His interpretation of this role - sinister and beautifully understated - marks the zenith of his career before he retired from acting to follow life as a country doctor.
That Karswell gets his "come-uppance" at the end matters not a jot because the audience is compelled to feel - possibly against their better judgement - respect that he knew exactly what powers he had summoned and was prepared to pay the ultimate price for earthly success.

Maybe that's not exactly "Satanic" but it's a damn fine performance in a film that is pure class. If you haven't seen it yet, please do and join my FaceBook fan page! \:\)


Edited by felixgarnet (03/23/11 10:46 PM)
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#51676 - 03/24/11 12:05 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: felixgarnet]
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Link to Karswell and his cat.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/randhobart/3253841790/

Plus a photostream of stills from the film.
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#51677 - 03/24/11 12:17 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: felixgarnet]
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I’ve just added “Night of the Demon” to my Netflix queue -- thanks for the suggestion.

It’s not quite what the O.P. was asking for, but I’ve always thought that the portrayal of Satan as a beautiful and sympathetic young girl in the crucifixion, and jesus’ possible future scenes in Martin Scorsese’s excellent “The Last Temptation of Christ” were perfect. Satan would of course appear to jesus, and all mortals, really, as the beautiful and nearly irresistible fallen angel, rather than the “gothic” horror cliche I recall from Mel Gibson’s ridiculous “Passion of the Christ”.

I remember all the rage and indignation of christians towards Scorsese’s film when it was originally released in the late 1980s, but when I finally got around to watching it for the first time several years ago I found myself thinking that if I were a christian, I’d have found myself perhaps deeply appreciating the movie, as it demonstrates just what jesus gave up in order to supposedly save all future mankind through his suffering and death.

Similarly, when I read Milton’s Paradise Lost it occurred to me that christians would be better served adopting -that- as their holy book, since it’s so much better written that the x-ian bible, and basically tells the same story.

But I realized in both cases that those opinions of mine were based in reason and logic, and so not what most christians would feel towards both works.

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#51682 - 03/24/11 02:28 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Tesseract]
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The one! The Only! The Mad and brilliant Doctor!

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#51683 - 03/24/11 02:34 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: felixgarnet]
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 Originally Posted By: felixgarnet
I just watched for the umpteenth time my favourite movie as a Birthday treat - "Night Of The Demon" (1957, Director Jacques Tourneur), with pizza and chocolate cake. \:D

Here's one of the more detailed reviews I've come across:

 Originally Posted By: From IMDB
People have often tried to connect the character of Julian Karswell (Niall MacGinnis), with English Occultist Aleister Crowley, the self proclaimed 'Great Beast'(1875-1947). Crowley was around at the same time as M R James' (1862-1936) who wrote the short story 'Casting the Runes' - upon which the film is based - so there's a chance that there may have been a link. However the character of Karswell in the movie is far less of an arrogant glamour seeker than was Crowley. All Karswell wanted was for he and his followers to be left in peace.

Dana Andrews was a good choice to play the character of John Holden - a sceptical American scientist who personified what some would consider to be 'the new establishment' (as it was in 1957). Confident, unbending and opinionated. Typical of a generation that had just gone through huge advances in science and technology during WW2.

Jacques Tourneur directed this film on a shoestring, yet he created an uneasy atmosphere of disjointed anxiety throughout. The lighting, the music, the photography and dialogue all add up to a piece of cinematic grace and mastery. Allow yourself to be completely absorbed in the plot and at the end you'll realise that you're exhausted, and your heart is pounding like a steam hammer.

I guess this is the bit that might be construed as a spoiler, but when you look at the characters objectively, you'll perhaps come to realise that Karswell wasn't a deranged madman after all. In fact he was a very likable man - reasonable from start to finish. He tried to talk rationally with both Harrington and Holden, but neither man was prepared to listen to his point of view. In the British Library, he tried to appeal to Holden's objective scientific mind by inviting him to Lufford Hall to look at a very rare manuscript, in an attempt to convince him not to go ahead with his expose of Karswell's group. It was only when Holden showed no sign of movement that the runic parchment was passed, thus unleashing the demon. Perhaps Holden deserved it......? The closing sequence of the film sees Karswell being dismembered by a truly traditional demon (check out the earliest medieval woodcuts of demons if you disagree). A little unfortunate for those of us that had grown fond of Karswell's character (a bit like one grows fond of the character of Hannibal Lecter in 'Silence of the Lambs' or Colonel Kurtz in 'Apocolypse Now'.

Personally I don't see Crowley in Karswell, though I suppose the Brits tend to see him in many local "Satanist" portrayals. [Mocata was indeed an intentional Dennis Wheatley Crowley-caricature; Wheatley & Crowley knew one another, and Wheatley sprinkled A.'.A.'. terminology all through his "Black Magic" novels.]

Another intentional Crowley-caricature was in Somerset Maugham's The Magician, which was made into a silent film - which I always thought was lost but has happily resurfaced as a DVD. \:\)



Edited by Michael A.Aquino (03/24/11 03:13 AM)
Edit Reason: I just found the DVD of The Magician.
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#51684 - 03/24/11 02:50 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
The one! The Only! The Mad and brilliant Doctor!

Cf. also Appendix #62 "Dark Deco" of my Temple of Set, particularly the amusing commentary by the Phibes Production Designer at the end. ;\)

There's a lot more about the Satanic aspects of Art Deco in my Church of Satan. Anton once again gets all the credit for alerting me to this, since he was a Deco/Nouveau devotee, particularly of its "bad boy" Bruno Zach.
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#51686 - 03/24/11 03:05 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Thank you so much for your input, Dr Aquino! \:\)

I enjoyed the review and agree that the identification of Karswell with Crowley is dodgy but understandable, given the British public's superficial acquaintance with the latter and Karswell's portliness and goatee beard.

The book which gives the most detailed information about the film is Tony Earnshaw's "Beating The Devil" and he is in the process of updating and republishing it with extra snippets. I was thrilled to find he'd joined my FaceBook group, "Night Of The Demon Is The Best Film Ever Made"!

Details below:

Beating the Devil - The Official Tony Earnshaw Website
Beating the Devil. The Making of Night of the Demon. UK: NMPFT Publishing/Tomahawk Press, 2005; PB. ISBN: 095319261X Order this book from tomahawkmedia.co. ...
http://www.tonyearnshaw.com/bib_beatingthedevil.

SORRY - THIS LINK IS BROKEN.

I always found Karswell far more likeable than Holden (I wonder why? ;))- he talks the talk and walks the walk - albeit one abruptly curtailed.
My current project is to draft an appreciation of this film together with a serious examination of the occult concepts in the plot. Although the runes themselves, so far as I can make out in their pictographic form, are simply statements about a man of property they are, of course taken from an ancient and magickal alphabet. The film has a lot of material that is worthy of an in-depth look from the view of an occultist born around the time of its creation - and that would be me. \:\)


Edited by felixgarnet (03/24/11 03:09 AM)
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#51687 - 03/24/11 03:06 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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Some films are so bad they're classic, and since Werewolves on Wheels has a Satanic cult & priest in it somewhere, I guess it qualifies for this thread. The first two Amazon customer reviews say it all so well that I wouldn't presume to comment further.
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#51711 - 03/24/11 05:19 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Okay Dr. Aquino, time to get serious. Can you beat this one?

The Great Stanton!

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#51712 - 03/24/11 05:28 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: ]
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My favorite part of NIGHTMARE ALLEY... where Stanton learns the power of cold reading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNOx4U49Rj4&feature=related
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#51715 - 03/24/11 05:43 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Jake999]
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If your really want a tour de force portrayal of "evil," I can definitely recommend Andy Griffith (pre Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry) as Lonesome Rhodes in the 1957 movie A FACE IN THE CROWD, directed by Elia Kazan.

It's in black and white and a portrayal of an unscrupulous man who uses his celebrity for control. Sort of like the evil twin of Will Rogers.

Patricia Neal plays his love interest who finally exposes him for the monster his public never expected.
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#51726 - 03/24/11 06:59 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Jake999]
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Beautiful one Jake - I like that scene from Nightmare Alley as well.

I am not aware of A Face in the Crowd, but like Kazan.

If I remember rightly Kazan directed On the Waterfront with Brando, which despite some Christian undertones, is one of my favourite films.

I also like Robert Mitchum in The Night of the Hunter. The whole atmosphere of that film is so sinister and Mitchum was a genius.

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#51738 - 03/24/11 10:59 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Okay Dr. Aquino, time to get serious. Can you beat this one? The Great Stanton!

In a thread about "Satanic movie characters", I don't think I would include Nightmare Alley. It clearly held considerable allure to Anton LaVey, but I think in more of a self-destructive demonic way:

 Originally Posted By: M.A.A., The Church of Satan
At about this time [1947] Howard became fascinated with a 1946 novel by William Lindsay Gresham, Nightmare Alley. As later summarized by Nikolas Schreck:

 Originally Posted By: Nikolas Schreck, letter, 9/1/98
Stanton Carlisle, an ambitious carny on the make, learns a few techniques for “cold reading” or “mitt reading” rubes and telling them what they want to hear. Armed with a philosophy consisting of “One in five is a born chump” (page #19) and “Misdirection is the whole works, honey” (page #35), our hero spruces himself up and develops his spiel. He declares himself a Reverend and impresses the credulous by donning a clerical collar.

The crooked Reverend gets hold of an old house, which he calls “the Church” of his controversial religion. “With this house I can gimmick it up from cellar to attic,” (page #136) he crows, going into the spook racket with a vengeance. In the early days of the Church, the Reverend makes a living charging for nightly lectures on esoteric topics and teaching “development classes” to his disciples. Topics for these lectures are cribbed from obscure books with which he assumes his audience will not be familiar.

He develops a polished, cultured manner of public speaking for his clerical activities, while privately retaining the vulgar, tough-guy lingo of his carnival days. This double life begins to create psychic strain, and he becomes paranoid, fretting that “there could be a cabal forming against him in the Church.” (page #154) He tires of small fry and seeks the company of “well-heeled” clientele.

His mistrust of everyone ferments into a pathological misogyny, and he takes out his fears and insecurities on the “dames” in his life, mistreating and eventually pimping them. This does not prevent him from blaming all of his self-created misfortunes on what he sees as female deviousness and treachery.

Eventually this hard-eyed cynic, who likes to think he’s a few steps ahead of the world he despises, ends up as an impoverished freak. Far from achieving the “big time” success he longs for, he spends his last days as a forgotten laughing stock.

According to Zeena, her father became mesmerized by this book, deciding that his own middle name of “Stanton” signified a magical or psychic link between himself and “Stanton Carlisle”. He proceeded to pattern much of his own personality and lifestyle after the model of Carlisle, kept a poster from the Tyrone Power film of the novel prominently displayed in his own home, and included author Gresham’s name on the dedication page of his Satanic Bible. He named his second daughter Zeena after a central character in the novel and later insisted that she name her own son after the “Stanton” in the novel. [At that time, according to Zeena, she did not know Anton’s real middle name was also “Stanton”.]

In his Aristos John Fowles used the term nemo not in the heroic/Nietzschean Jules Verne sense, but rather:

 Originally Posted By: John Fowles, The Aristos
The nemo is a man's sense of his own futility and ephemerality, of his relativity,his comparativeness, his virtual nothingness ...

Fowles sees much of human behavior as attempts to defeat the nemo, which is an ever-present, gnawing sort of personal spectre.

I much prefer [as extensively in COS] to compare Anton to Dr. Phibes, who is conspicuously nemo-free!
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#51741 - 03/25/11 01:19 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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This is an interesting thing Dr.

I tend to see Stanton Carlisle as a great Satanic magician. He seems to have many important elements; such as the cynicism and the “I’ve seen it all” realism of an old carny, with an almost “supernatural” ability to read people and a seemingly innate talent to control others for whatever reason. He must rank as one of the greatest Lesser Magical magician’s I have encountered in film and/or book. The Satan from Merritt’s book certainly ranks with Carlisle as well though.

There is a bit of a tragic side to Carlisle, which I find to be quite Satanic. I do find tragedy to be Satanic. He climbs to the top and then crashes, just like the figure in Zeena’s Tower tarot card, which Carlisle would usually ridicule. He crashes to earth and ends up becoming the geek and then is saved by a woman.

The tragic occurs over and over again, with the great Satanic characters, in the great noir movies. I am thinking of Shubunka from The Gangster and Robinson’s character from Scarlet Street in particular. Both of these characters end up being destroyed or overpowered by “fate”, by the consequences of the control they enforce and lose, by their magic and the effect it brings. This theme of tragedy seems to occur again and again.

Tragedy is a constant background in the Phibes films as well I think. I am thinking here of the death of Victoria and the pain, anger and the thirst for revenge which drives Phibes in the first film. Phibes is more focused on bringing Victoria back to life in the second film. Phibes presumably regains his life and Victoria does as well after all the planning has been carried out. So he does exercise control through to the end and acquires his goal, unlike some of the tragic Satanic figures.

In terms of Carlisle I like to try to separate the character of Carlisle from the perception I have of Dr. LaVey, though they do seem to be entwined in some sense.

I was actually reading your C/S ebook today Dr. and was specifically reading Page 153 through to 155 regarding what LaVey and you thought of the Priesthood of Mendes and the sorts of people required, the sorts of qualities required in the ideal candidate.

I was struck by the sincerity of LaVey here and his commitment to building a clergy of real, successful and talented individuals, who were competent and committed to the serious work to be undertaken and who could kick ass when needed.

This picture I get of Dr. LaVey from reading his comments on the priesthood is different from the picture I get of Stanton Carlisle and his intentions for his “Church.”

Sometimes I look at Carlisle though and what he did, and I look at LaVey and what he did and I think: the similarities are so close, so very close.

Then again I personally think Dr. LaVey may have deliberately and carefully cultivated an image in order to confuse and confound, to draw attention, to control. I think he may have borrowed elements from a lot of different places in order to build this image.

(Another great Satanic character - Tyrell from Blade Runner. Think I may have mentioned him before. He only appears in the film a few times, but he is one of the ones behind the scenes controlling everything. This reminds me of Chinatown and those shadowy figures who seem to determine everything, but unlike Tyrell are never seen, apart from Huston.)

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#51742 - 03/25/11 02:03 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: ]
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Dr. LaVey was actually more than one person wrapped up into one. I never saw him as being someone obsessed with Stanton Carlisle in NIGHTMARE ALLEY. He did like the movie. We all watched it one night in the purple room and he could recite certain passages of the film off the top of his head, such as the scene I posted where Carlisle learns about cold reading. But then, he could do the same with the Phibes films, especially when playing the keyboards... and there were times he WAS much like Phibes. And he could do the same thing with The Seven Faces of Dr. Lao, and if I HAD to choose one character from the many movies I watched with him on those long nights at the Black House, Dr. Lao would be the one that I personally woulds see in him most. Like many of the films, he knew them by rote and could recite the lines flawlessly AND with proper accents.

He was good at most of them, but when he did Dr. Lao, it was almost as if he became the character. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llXWQeOhZyk

He could be DANGEROUS when in the mode of Pan. He didn't play the panpipes that I know of, but he could key in the pipes on his organ. One evening we were sitting in the "kitchen," where he had his keyboards set up, drinking a glass of wine. He was there, as was I, and Tari, another Administrator. He began playing the pipes as Pan, slowly at first and then faster. It was hypnotic. Tari was feeling it almost immediately, and I watched her as she began to become turned on to the sound. Took a bit longer for me, but there was no doubt about it, even as I KNEW it had to be psychological, that I wanted to throw Tari on the floor and have my way with her right there and then. All I could hear was the music, and it was like aural Viagra. When he brought the tune to a crashing climax, I asked, "What the hell was that?"

He just smiled and said, "I don't know. I made it up as I went along."
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#51743 - 03/25/11 02:40 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
I tend to see Stanton Carlisle as a great Satanic magician ...

A very insightful interpretation of Nightmare Alley, thanks. Anton and I never had occasion to discuss the film; I don't think I had ever heard of it until the Schrecks called it to my attention.

The "ASLV demonic self" film that I would pick, and that gave me quite a shock when I first saw it in a theater, was Fade to Black.

Few people realize that Anton had a very naďve, idealistic side to him - indeed what I think of as his "authentic self" under all of the carny/Ming/Phibes/[Carlisle?] layers of character armor. I would go so far as to say that it was the realities of human society which crashed in upon this self which drove him to respond with the extremes of all that projective armor.

In 1972 he gave me a copy of Nathaniel West's A Cool Million, which was a satire on the Horatio Alger rags-to-riches American-dream story. The hero of ACM is Lemuel Pitkin, a young man with the noblest of intentions who sets out to do the right thing, to help everyone, and to trust everybody. He meets with nothing but betrayal, exploitation, and catastrophe, culminating in his death [upon which he is idolized - and of course exploited - as a hero]. No one has any cause to hate him personally, but everyone sees him as a sucker and mark. I found Anton's inscription very telling - concerning both of us:



As recounted in The Church of Satan, in the mid-1970s as Anton was becoming increasingly alienated from the actual, organizational Church, he was simultaneously being drawn to the siren-song of "Hollywood Babylon". He sought, and was often sought by, the company of film people; he and Diane made frequent drives down to L.A. to visit & schmooze. He was very proud of his SAG (Screen Actors Guild) card. And all the while his fascination with and fantasies about Marilyn Monroe continued to grow.

When you combine this with A Cool Million, you'll be able to see why Fade to Black stunned me in the way that it did - right down to MM's necromantic reappearance as muse, love goddess, and ultimately death angel. Anton and I discussed many films over the years, but I frankly do not know if I would have mentioned this one had it appeared before 1975. I think I would have felt it "insensitively intrusive".
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#51765 - 03/25/11 09:01 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Jake999]
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Dr. LaVey as Dr. Lao, yes, a brilliant notion!

One of the chapters from Dr. Aquino's C/S ebook was called
"The Circus of Dr. LaVey" which is interesting.

I have read The Circus of Dr. Lao and found it very interesting, but somewhat of an onion I think with many layers, unless I am overreading it. There is certainly a lot going on in that work.

There are still quite a few films I want to see, particularly the ones the Dr. mentioned in a different thread from the T/S ebook reading list. Those films include the Dr. Lao picture and "Fade to Black." Thanks kindly Dr. Aquino, I will certainly have a look at "Fade to Black."

Loved the story about the pipes of Pan and the magic of music Jake. I am not sure if the Doktor was making up the music in question as he went along, as he said; or else he was being a bit of a trickster and having some fun. Either way there is a magical lesson there, I think.

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#51792 - 03/27/11 05:18 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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Dr. Hannibal Lecter. It needed to be said. The sequel - Hannibal, is the pick of the bunch IMO.

Bela Lugosi as Dr. Eric Vornoff in Bride of the Monster. A very Nemo like character, driven to create a race of "Atomic Supermen". Lugosi delivers a powerful speech which really should not be missed.

John Ryder from The Hitcher, played by Rutger Hauer. I expect opinions may vary, but he delivered quite a performance here.

And of course John Kramer/Jigsaw - aka Tobin Bell of the Saw franchise. This is a very interesting character.

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#51805 - 03/27/11 09:52 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Harvey]
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Not uber-Satanic as such - I (finally!) watched "District 9" last night. Not only is every character (even the main character) completely rotten and utterly human, but you may notice that the symbol for the mercenaries is a horned goat. It's clearly visible on their chest plates and their vehicle doors, but stylized and not really discernible in other places.
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#51812 - 03/27/11 02:34 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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Not sure how blurry this thread is ... Are we talking about specifically/avowed Satanists like Mocata and Poelzig, or just Nietzschean/Promethean types generally, in which case the doors are open to Captain Nemo, Morbius, Ayesha, and perhaps a whole string of Bond villains ...?
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#51824 - 03/27/11 05:07 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I Don't know, kinda both...

I saw a movie last night that I bought a few years ago on spur of the moment.
It's called Mr.Brooks.
I think Marshall, Mr. Brooks alter ego kinda is, but so is Mr.Brooks as it is all a matter of control and focus of intent in regards to getting things done.

I really liked that movie, kinda reminded me of some stuff.
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#51848 - 03/28/11 12:33 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Morgan]
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I think that alice in wonderland has a somewhat satanic plot behind it. My reason for thinking this being while in her waking moments she would have things to stress about which in turn she repressed yet she still looked for a way to solve these problems.
I feel that her constant worries + her constant need for an answer to her problems ended in her manifesting her dreams.
I feel that her "formula" for her "ritual" are given as follows.
The "timing" of the stressful events + the strong "desire" to overcome her obstacles resulted in sir.issac newton's law of relativity which states every with an action must have an equal or opposite reaction causing her dreams of her being in "wonderland" which enacted the last and final rule "action".
When she awoke from her "dream" (others would like to say this would be the time in which the "higher self" is contacted or holy "guardian angel" or much simply put the genius(also known as gennie) and the I'd) which by some great "revalation" gave her the balls to stand up the people who was repressing who she really was by having her do as they wish(puting the term loosely) resulting in her revolting against all who oppose her(which is what I personally think is the puropose of Satanism.)
She became "satan" in the flesh she stood for what she believed in regardless of the out come.
Anyways with all of that said I believe the "alice" the alice in wonderland movies are satanic characters.
I would also like to apologize for the lengthy response.
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#51853 - 03/28/11 01:29 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Every movie character who follows the satanic guidelines more or less is welcome, but in my opinion there is a difference between a rotten character and a satanic one. Taking justified vengeance is not the same as just being an evil psychopath. Then again, satanic characters in movies have to be evil, otherwise they become the “good guys” and aren’t satanic anymore . Although the good guys can be Satanists, but the main public can get confused if the stereotypes would be conversed. It is difficult to draw a line, so it depends on what your motivation is to say that a movie character is satanic.

To Morgan: I have seen Mr. Frost a few years before I learned about Satanism, and I enjoyed it very much but I hadn’t made the link. Based on what I recall of the movie and what I learned about Satanism, I agree that Mr. Frost fits the profile of a satanic movie character.

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#51854 - 03/28/11 01:32 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: the earthly duck]
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 Originally Posted By: the earthly duck
I think that alice in wonderland has a somewhat satanic plot behind it.

I don't know that Lewis Carroll had the Devil in mind when he wrote his Alice stories, but they were drenched in allegorical social satire & criticism, of course.

However if you're looking for Satanic characters generally, Disney's classic cartoons are awash with them [and so is his live-action 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea]. Indeed during Walt's lifetime his "good" heroes & heroines were often criticized as being pretty anemic and cookie-cutter, while his villains were all unique & spectacular. As for instance ...

Not to mention that many of the original folk tales and legends which Disney adapted to cartoon films were far more sinister than his "gentled-down" versions.
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#51855 - 03/28/11 01:57 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Heroes can be villainous and villains can be heroes... just as "satanic" is in the personality, so too is the propensity for good and evil all in the same plot. A great example of someone with that "satanic" edge to them, even though they are usually the hero, if only in an off beat way, is Peter O'Toole.

Watch his films. Lawrence of Arabia, Becket, Lord Jim, Night of the Generals, Zulu Dawn, The Ruling Class... all the way to his TV movie performances. There's that "O'toole Factor" in each of his characters that's innate... it's a spark that lets you see the wheels turn in his mind on a darker level.

Probably my favorite actor of all time.
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#51902 - 03/29/11 02:13 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Jake999]
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I agree with Micheal(can I call you micheal?,if not correct me)- don't think Lewis carroll intended on alice being a satanic character, I think it happened unintentionally. I feel that there was a duality which happened in the situation with alice was in order for her to become the hero she had to be the opposing force to the status quo. She had to defy "everything". She gives the feeling of "if I don't do this I won't survive" her persective of things was survival by any means.
Another character of a "satanic" essence is "batman" he lives outside the law in order to be able to do the things that the justice system couldn't. He defied everyone including his mentor according to the new movies and he took what was taught to him and made it his own, even the "bat signal" has its own ritualistic feel to it " you light the sky with his signal and he appears."

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#51915 - 03/29/11 08:10 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
Peter O'Toole. Watch his films. Lawrence of Arabia, Becket, Lord Jim, Night of the Generals, Zulu Dawn, The Ruling Class... all the way to his TV movie performances. There's that "O'toole Factor" in each of his characters that's innate... it's a spark that lets you see the wheels turn in his mind on a darker level.

No kidding. He also did a gloriously corrupt & venomous Tiberius in Penthouse's Caligula. When that film came out, I knew nothing about it and walked into a Georgetown theater expecting just another Quo Vadis or The Robe-type movie. Boy, was I in for a shock!
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#51917 - 03/29/11 09:21 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Yes Dr. I was thinking the same thing when I read Jake's post about O'Toole. O'Toole in Caligula.

I am assuming you are talking about the uncut X rated version when you mention Caligula. I bought a copy of the movie in a DVD store of ill - repute years ago.

O'Toole played a great Tiberius - wonderfully sick, both physically and mentally.

I still remember that strange orgy scene when Tiberius screams at the participants: "more conviction!" and then the strange advice he gives Caligula about his role as a swineherd.

I liked Helen Mirren and Malcolm McDowell as well in this film. I love the lascivious Caesonia, the immoral Drusilla, and the mad and vicious Caligula.

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#55187 - 05/29/11 05:54 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: ]
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One of the most impressive Satanists in the history of film is Boris Balkan (The Ninth Gate):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G9Lpbf4bPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o12q1I0KccY


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#55208 - 05/30/11 11:01 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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I'm sorry I missed this discussion. It was extremely interesting.

I would add two characters to those already mentioned--both from films written by Paddy Chayefsky, whose work seems to have taken a Satanic turn toward the end of his life.

The first is Arthur Jensen from Network (1976), played by Ned Beatty. This is a movie full of memorable supporting characters--Beatrice Straight won a best Supporting Actress Oscar, despite spending less than six minutes onscreen. But of them all, I think Arthur Jensen makes the biggest impression, as the mastermind behind the corporate empire which includes UBS. Jensen's famous speech to Howard Beale--"There is no America. There is no 'democracy'. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T."--is essentially a one-two punch of Greater and Lesser Magic. The boardroom even looks like a ritual chamber.

The second is Edward Jessup from Altered States (1980), played by William Hurt. Jessup is a Faustian figure--a modern magician who is determined to learn the Things Man Was Not Meant to Know, cost what it may. When I re-watched this movie not too long ago, I was struck by the parallels between Jessup's experiments and the ritual chamber, once again. I've even used selections from this movie's soundtrack (by contemporary composer John Corigliano) as ritual music, with great success.

 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
(9) TDR began as a novel, icky-poo Wiccan from start to finish.


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I wish I'd read this a couple of weeks ago. I actually found a copy of the novel in a used book store, while browsing the horror section. I haven't read it yet, but it sounds like I could have saved my money.


Edited by Goliath (05/30/11 11:15 AM)
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#57789 - 07/29/11 10:47 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I'll check it out tomorrow. it's in my instant-que for netflix
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#57850 - 07/31/11 01:56 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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This is more "evil" than "Satanic" per se, but the other day I was thinking about how miscast all of the live Jokers have been in the various Batman movies - from Jack Nicholson (who just played Jack Nicholson) to Heath Ledger (who just played a mess). I grew up as a kid in the 1950s reading the classic DC Batman comics, and the Joker was an extremely cold-blooded and scary character, originally inspired visually by Conrad Veidt in The Man Who Laughs.

I think the best recent Joker remains the one in Batman: The Animated Series (voiced by Luke Skywalker, of all people!).

For a live-action actor, I suppose Christopher Walken as in Sleepy Hollow, but somehow the actor who I would really have liked to see in the role was Jay Robinson, who back in the 1950s set the bar for oily malice. [Here he is in this clip in his later, retired years - quite a change from Caligula!]
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#57852 - 07/31/11 03:06 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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For those who have never been there, the motel scene from The Devil's Rejects is a real as it gets. You will have to get the actual movie to see the whole thing but this gives you the idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY1ME1SpaYk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJcqtaHuQaU&feature=related

Keeping in mind, of course, that these are just actors. The genuine article is a bit more than most people can handle.
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#57862 - 07/31/11 09:57 AM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Fist]
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Bill Murray in Where the Buffalo Roam. His portrayal of Hunter S. Thompson was, in my opinion, my better than Johnny Depp's. Dr. Thompson and the "Gonzo" aesthetic has always hit me as a bit Satanic. At least inasmuch as it embraces chaos and a measured quantity of misanthropy.

Dustin Hoffman in the film Little Big Man also strikes me as a bit Satanic, but in a very Peter Gilmore-esque way. (Can I say that?) His character is an obvious coward, but I enjoy how he moves very fluidly from lifestyle to lifestyle when unexpectedly thrown in and out of sticky situations that life so randomly throws at him.
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#57899 - 08/01/11 11:05 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: Waanzin
Are there other movies with Satanic characters in it?

Try Edward James Olmos as El Pachuco in Zoot Suit, along with his three daemonic damsel colleagues. [All four appear in this opening sequence, and magically thereafter throughout the film.] If you thought EJO was electric in Miami Vice, wait 'til you see him here ...


I wound up watching Zoot Suit after I read about it in this thread, and I'm glad I did. It was a terrific movie, with an outstanding performance by Olmos as Pachuco.

I would like to nominate another not-so-obvious Satanic character from a movie musical: Billy Flynn in Chicago.

The moral universe is this movie is pretty clearly founded on the principle that might (broadly defined) is right. The one "good" character in the film, Amos, is a self-deluding chump. Yet interestingly, the people who survive and prosper in this ruthless and pitiless world are not completely without a moral code. Mama Morton, for example, is clearly looking out for number one, and uses her position of power to exploit the female prisoners. Yet she does not simply steal from them: as she sings in her big number "When You're Good to Mama," she does keep her side of the unequal bargains she makes.

Billy Flynn, like Mama Morton, is corrupt and dishonest: he sings that "All I Care About is Love," when clearly, all he cares about is wealth and celebrity. And in his song "Razzle Dazzle," he makes it equally clear that cleverness and persuasiveness are much more important in the courtroom than truth and facts. Yet, when he takes Roxie's case, he does do his considerable best for his client. He is a master of Lesser Magic: when he sings "They Both Reached for the Gun," he becomes a literal puppet master. And in the end, his lack of illusions about people and their behaviour allows him to win both cases at once: he exploits Velma's willingness to betray and sacrifice Roxie in order to get both of them acquitted. A formidable magician, and a truly diabolical figure, in my opinion.


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#59144 - 09/16/11 04:32 PM Re: Satanic movie characters [Re: Waanzin]
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 Originally Posted By: Waanzin
...‘Millenium: The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo ‘...one of the characters, Liesbet Salander, has a rather obvious satanic view on life. I am not referring to her gothic looks, but to her behavior. She fights back when they try to beat her up, she takes vengeance after she is raped and she fulfills her carnal needs...

She sounds great! I want to see it!

When I think of Satanic characters, I tend of think of great strategists who leverage people's character faults to take power away from them and gain power for the strategist.

This brings to mind Marlene Dietrich in the Blue Angel (1930). She played the strategically "Naughty Lola, the wisest girl on Earth". Lola ensnares a professor who'd been persecuting fans of sensual entertainment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Angel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIfj5OGROJw

I've enjoyed the many clips linked in this thread. I think no one has mentioned Chad, the character Aaron Eckhart plays in Neil LaBute's In The Company of Men (1997). Chad's advanced ability to entrap male co-workers via herd instinct and misogyny seems practically Satanic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbunznqJzxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQl6vCDrhQ


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